The Rangers soap opera goes on and on.

[hawaii]

I thought that Ticketus were after Whyte in the English courts for his ?20m guarantee?

[phoenix]

Green flagged up as being interviewed on Talksport at 12pm, then never turned up. He must be sh*tting himself at being asked any questions...

[Rick Grimes]

This is still the guy that, under his ownership, sent Rangers on a tax evasion scheme to delibrately get them liquidated. He's still a ****.

 

 

 

Why on Earth would the word "hero" be banned on this site?

 

[kingdannyb]

 

I still think there will be a version 3.0 but that will have to grow organically with kosher Rangers people in charge.

 

I think so too.

 

All that will be left after the liquidation of OldCheats and SevcoConArtists is Ibrox.

 

Whoever owns it (probably Whyte) will then charge ?1m a year rent to a new club formed by the innocent, shafted Rangers fans calling themselves the Govan Blues FC or something and that will be that.

 

Plenty of twists and turns before that happens though.

[Fozzyonthefence]

Why on Earth would the word "hero" be banned on this site?

 

 

Hero for what? Liquidating them or spilling the beans now? I was referring to the liquidation - as much as I was looking forward to that at the time, it's all turned out to be rather disappointing. Yes, it's amusing seeing them having to play and even lose in SFL3 but they are now in a stronger position, as Chuck says - debt free. They can afford players that no other club, except Celtic, can. The Rangers fans and even the SFA / SPL appear to still see them as the same club (just wish the creditors could too) - in short, the liquidation has seen them get away with it - 3, maybe even only 2 years (with league reconstruction) outside the top flight isn't much of a punishment in my book, in fact I see it as similar to them struggling along mid table in SPL with no European football. I suppose hoping for them to disappear all together was just wishful thinking.

[The Gasman]

Reporting Scotland saying they have evidence that D&P tried to persuade Craig Whyte to be dishonest with HMRC.

 

Full story, Reporting Scotland, BBC 1, half seven this evening.

 

Get your popcorn ready..!

[milky_26]

Reporting Scotland saying they have evidence that D&P tried to persuade Craig Whyte to be dishonest with HMRC.

 

Full story, Reporting Scotland, BBC 1, half seven this evening.

 

Get your popcorn ready..!

do you mean at half six tonight?

[milky_26]

here we go

[jambovambo]

Missed it

 

Well?

[The Gasman]

do you mean at half six tonight?

 

Err... ...yes... ...I did...

 

[milky_26]

Missed it

 

Well?

pretty much as gasman posted, recording of grier trying to get whyte to say duff and phelps didn'tknow about the financing of the ticketus deal and asking him to decieve HMRC, the recording was in a members only club in london and is 2 hours long so there will probably be more stories from it

[blairdin]

I think Craig Whyte has played a blinder here. My simplistic take is, at some stage, he's clicked that he was going to be hung out as the pantomime villan and has covered his arse with nothing more than a dictaphone.

 

How many more recordings does he have?!?

[The Gasman]

Missed it

 

Well?

 

Another meeting recorded by Whyte.

 

This time he has David Grier of Duff & Phelps on tape, during a four hour private meeting, trying to get him to help deceive HMRC into believing D&P didn't know what they did, to "prove" there was no conflict of interest.

 

Duff & Phellps (and in particular Grier) seem to be royaly screwed, which I'd guess Lord Hodge will confirm sooner, rather than later. I'd guess we've a better chance of signing Messi on 31st October, than D&P have of getting their expenses signed off..!

 

The big question mark remaining seems to be what, if any, involvement Green had in all of this, and therefore whether or not NewCo might get dragged into all this.

 

Interesting times ahead methinks..!

[Harry Palmer]

Story here, I think....

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-20088667#?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[Drumelzier]

Another meeting recorded by Whyte.

 

This time he has David Grier of Duff & Phelps on tape, during a four hour private meeting, trying to get him to help deceive HMRC into believing D&P didn't know what they did, to "prove" there was no conflict of interest.

 

Duff & Phellps (and in particular Grier) seem to be royaly screwed, which I'd guess Lord Hodge will confirm sooner, rather than later. I'd guess we've a better chance of signing Messi on 31st October, than D&P have of getting their expenses signed off..!

 

The big question mark remaining seems to be what, if any, involvement Green had in all of this, and therefore whether or not NewCo might get dragged into all this.

 

Interesting times ahead methinks..!

 

The oldco pot in only just simmering

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

 

Well done Shooter!

[Munch]

Story here, I think....

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-20088667#?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

you got to hand it to craigieboy he is a fraudster of the massive order and not happy the green and his shady backers have tried to ram him, taping all the meetings

[Cade]

 

[2NaFish]

whyte has more. he's still got some big guns sitting in wait.

[Fxxx the SPFL]

guy at my work has said that the tribunal have reached a decision on the EBT and supposedly Murray and Duff & Phelps have been notified of outcome his mate is a lawyer sorry if this has been posted earlier.

[graygo]

guy at my work has said that the tribunal have reached a decision on the EBT and supposedly Murray and Duff & Phelps have been notified of outcome his mate is a lawyer sorry if this has been posted earlier.

 

Yep, old news mate, seemingly will be made public any day now.

 

If it had gone in Oldco's favour though I'm sure it would have been leaked by now.

[Fxxx the SPFL]

Yep, old news mate, seemingly will be made public any day now.

 

If it had gone in Oldco's favour though I'm sure it would have been leaked by now.

 

 

Yep my mate said that it has seemingly gone against Rangers I wonder if some English Premier clubs have twitchy arses

[Drumelzier]

Yep, old news mate, seemingly will be made public any day now.

 

If it had gone in Oldco's favour though I'm sure it would have been leaked by now.

 

100% correct shame

[DETTY29]

Yep, old news mate, seemingly will be made public any day now.

 

If it had gone in Oldco's favour though I'm sure it would have been leaked by now.

I'm going over old ground but the rumour is ?18-?20m under payment, plus same again in fees and penalties.

 

I'm sure Mark Daly nearly let something slip tonight on Sportsound when Spence asked about the impact of the BTC, but just held back

 

This though is a result if Hector claimed ?95m as potential liability. ?40m, plus ?15m Whytes ceasing to pay all taxes, plus ?5m for the discounted option scheme (Flo transfer?)

 

So all told a ?35m win for OldCo.

 

Nothing is being leaked because there is a lot of back tracking going on just now under the auspices of no secondary evidence (remember Jabba saying that while he knew Whyte had stopped paying tax, he didn't have the necessary secondary evidence, or back up. Oddly Chick I'm sure, said the same thing)

 

It will be interesting how the succulent lambers report this. I'm sure it will be that they were duped by SDM and they were entitled to take everything in good faith despite a variety of sources commenting for years Rangers were heading this way.

 

Just as D&P duping them all in to believing a CVA was possible despite being told the HMRC website implicity said they wouldn't agree to CVA when a company wilfully doesn't pay tax.

 

Or armageddon

 

Or that Lloyds were very comfortable with Rangers despite running the club in 'quasi' administration for over a year and pushing the sale to Whyte through.

[jambovambo]

@alextomo: #c4news Friday. Exclusive: senior Scottish QC spells out what real intimidation means and takes aim at Rangers manager Ally McCoist.

[Fozzyonthefence]

100% correct shame

 

It's not going to make any differenc ethough is it? It won't affect Sevco and Oldco can't pay the tax bill and will be liquidated shortly. All that will happen is that HMRC will go after Murray and presumably Whyte too (although that will be for the non payment of taxes under his ownership - he had nothing to with the EBTs). Or am I missing something?

 

I want to see Sevco taken down, not Murray or other individuals, although I accept someone has to pay. I couldn't really give a toss if Murray ends up lubing up in BarL. Sevco has got away pretty much scot-free in this whole shambles. They'll be back in the top league, whatever it is then called in a much stronger financial position, free of all the debts racked up by Oldco.

[Fozzyonthefence]

I'm going over old ground but the rumour is ?18-?20m under payment, plus same again in fees and penalties.

 

I'm sure Mark Daly nearly let something slip tonight on Sportsound when Spence asked about the impact of the BTC, but just held back

 

This though is a result if Hector claimed ?95m as potential liability. ?40m, plus ?15m Whytes ceasing to pay all taxes, plus ?5m for the discounted option scheme (Flo transfer?)

 

So all told a ?35m win for OldCo.

 

Nothing is being leaked because there is a lot of back tracking going on just now under the auspices of no secondary evidence (remember Jabba saying that while he knew Whyte had stopped paying tax, he didn't have the necessary secondary evidence, or back up. Oddly Chick I'm sure, said the same thing)

 

It will be interesting how the succulent lambers report this. I'm sure it will be that they were duped by SDM and they were entitled to take everything in good faith despite a variety of sources commenting for years Rangers were heading this way.

 

Just as D&P duping them all in to believing a CVA was possible despite being told the HMRC website implicity said they wouldn't agree to CVA when a company wilfully doesn't pay tax.

 

Or armageddon

 

Or that Lloyds were very comfortable with Rangers despite running the club in 'quasi' administration for over a year and pushing the sale to Whyte through.

 

It's irrelevant whether it's ?40m or ?140m - Oldco doesn't have the assets to pay either. Can only see jail terms coming out of this. Sevco won't be bothering their arse anyway.

[DETTY29]

It's not going to make any differenc ethough is it? It won't affect Sevco and Oldco can't pay the tax bill and will be liquidated shortly. All that will happen is that HMRC will go after Murray and presumably Whyte too (although that will be for the non payment of taxes under his ownership - he had nothing to with the EBTs). Or am I missing something?

 

I want to see Sevco taken down, not Murray or other individuals, although I accept someone has to pay. I couldn't really give a toss if Murray ends up lubing up in BarL. Sevco has got away pretty much scot-free in this whole shambles. They'll be back in the top league, whatever it is then called in a much stronger financial position, free of all the debts racked up by Oldco.

There is no way Minty should get away this.

 

It is still to be proved, but if HE has lost the EBT and used mis-registered dual contracts*, this is primarily his fault.

 

He will be the one who has ripped Scottish football apart.

 

I wouldn't be surprised that there is no case to answer on the dual contracts. Especially if some scapegoat in the SFA/SPL just happens to be found that misled poor old Rangers.

Edited October 25, 2012 by DETTY29

[DETTY29]

It's irrelevant whether it's ?40m or ?140m - Oldco doesn't have the assets to pay either. Can only see jail terms coming out of this. Sevco won't be bothering their arse anyway.

Well according to D&P and Green, they nearly have the assets to pay it.

 

But despite what the succulent lambers say, oldco (That's Minty) could never have traded out of losing a tax case that was never there to win. It was all about tryig to keep the amount due to s minimum.

Edited October 25, 2012 by DETTY29

[I.T.K]

Lance Armstrong ?@lancearmstrongI cant believe you guys are call me cheats! @RFC_Official

 

 

[jambovambo]

Tomo blog re tonight's programme :

 

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/piercing-wall-silence-surrounding-rangers-fans/2891

 

To publicise what is happening in and around Glasgow in recent months is to pierce a wall of silence.

 

It is clearly not the done thing to talk about Glasgow?s dirty secret of football intimidation. Still less to point out the truth that all parties beyond Ibrox agree upon: that Rangers have a problem with a small minority of ?fans? prepared to commit serious crimes, a group who will threaten anyone, anywhere, who dares criticise their club.

 

So it is courageous and important that individuals like Gary Allan QC should break their silence and talk exclusively to Channel 4 News about just what he suffered at the hands of Rangers ?supporters?.

 

Having spent some time ? pro bono ? working on the Scottish Football Association tribunal which passed sanctions on Rangers FC for flagrant financial mismanagement earlier this year, he was preparing to go back to the world of good, honest criminals, gangsters and psychos ? the bread and butter of a criminal barrister.

 

 

 

Then? his world and his family?s was turned upside down.

 

?Please come to Hampden Park and please come today, this afternoon,? went the sudden message. There, to his amazement, were Special Branch Officers and anti-terror officers waiting to meet him. To his growing astonishment, a number of serious, credible threats to his life were unveiled by the officers.

 

He was told to go back to his house and secure the smallest room in the downstairs area with the smallest windows. He was told that he ? and he alone ? must pick up all mail and move it to this room. He ? and he alone ? must open it.

 

He was told to be wary of any jiffy bags. But even normal envelopes should not be opened in the usual casual fashion because of the danger of razor blades being taped inside to cut him ? and razor blades contaminated with anything from faeces through to HIV to ricin.

 

The police then put his entire house under surveillance 24/7. For a sustained period police would patrol around the house every 20 minutes. His neighbours had to be informed. His family were at first bemused, then genuinely frightened.

 

At his office his clerks needed further training and enhanced security measures. The cost of all this to the taxpayer would have run to tens of thousands of pounds.

 

Should something happen, he was told to ring the emergency number. On no account, he was advised, should he ever call a hospital or doctor?s surgery for fear that, if he or his family suffered some attack, they could turn up and contaminate a hospital which might then have to close. Instead, everything he and his family needed in any emergency would come to the house ? fast.

 

Mr Allan wants to make it very clear ? as does Channel 4 News ? that we are talking of a minority criminal underclass connected to Ibrox. He feels nothing but sympathy for the vast majority of magnificent and law-abiding fans of the club. But he is also seriously concerned about the conduct of Rangers manager Ally McCoist in this matter.

 

Mr McCoist ? infamously ? demanded to know the names of the men sitting on the SFA Tribunal in judgement of Rangers earlier this year. Gary Allan QC specifically said after our interview that he wished to address the McCoist issue. We turned on the camera again and framed up. It is worth quoting at length his side of the story which has never been made public.

 

GA: ?I was astonished when I saw a recording of Mr McCoist demanding that the names be disclosed and declaring he did not know who they were, and felt he ought to know and Rangers fans ought to know.?

 

AT: ?Astonished because he was lying??

 

GA: ?I don?t know whether Mr McCoist was lying. That is, of course, a possibility, but I?m happy to consider other possibilities, that he was simply completely misinformed.?

 

?I?m also prepared to consider that he overlooked the opportunity to ask his director of football administration, who was at the tribunal. Because that gentleman sat across the table from me for five days; engaged in discussions with me for five days; introduced himself to me with a hand shake for five days. As did his solicitor. And as did the representative for Duff & Phelps (the Rangers administrators), who was in attendance each and every day for every session.

 

?Now, it may just be that Mr McCoist didn?t think about his first port of call to find out who the tribunal members were ? he just didn?t think he could ask his director of football administration, or the club?s solicitor, or the representative of Duff & Phelps. Maybe he just doesn?t know how to go about doing these things.

 

?But I think there is room to think that Mr McCoist?s behaviour wasn?t through oversight, that there was an agenda he worked to. But if there were to be any suggestion that Rangers did not know who was sitting in judgement of them ? that would be a completely misleading and groundless suggestion.?

 

His views are put more succinctly by the chairman of Raith Rovers, who suffered a variety of threats from Rangers ?fans? this year, up to and including the alleged payment of two men to burn down the club stadium.

 

?Rangers actually knew who was on that panel, and Ally McCoist demanding to know who these people were actually inflamed a situation that didn?t need inflaming.?

 

The issue with Ally McCoist has now been dealt with by the Scottish Football Association, and Mr Allan merely wished to put his side of the story on the record.

 

Channel 4 News sought an interview with Rangers and Mr McCoist over the issue of threats. The club declined that invitation but issued a brief statement saying:

 

?..Rangers Football Club, like every other responsible club, does not condone any form of anti-social behaviour.?

[jambovambo]

Dynamite

 

Edited October 26, 2012 by jambovambo

[Drumelzier]

It's not going to make any differenc ethough is it? It won't affect Sevco and Oldco can't pay the tax bill and will be liquidated shortly. All that will happen is that HMRC will go after Murray and presumably Whyte too (although that will be for the non payment of taxes under his ownership - he had nothing to with the EBTs). Or am I missing something?

 

I want to see Sevco taken down, not Murray or other individuals, although I accept someone has to pay. I couldn't really give a toss if Murray ends up lubing up in BarL. Sevco has got away pretty much scot-free in this whole shambles. They'll be back in the top league, whatever it is then called in a much stronger financial position, free of all the debts racked up by Oldco.

 

I'm sure you are right Fozzy but as long as oldco are banged to rights that will have to do.

Got several pals still hanging onto the 'nothing has been proven yet' - they have been quiet recently though

[world_3]

he was preparing to go back to the world of good, honest criminals, gangsters and psychos

 

Would he have noticed any difference?

[Francis Albert]

The BBC seems to have suddenly got a bit more pro-active on this story.

 

Post Savile syndrome? People not so keen to suppress or sit on stories?

Edited October 26, 2012 by Francis Albert

[Floyd]

Would he have noticed any difference?

 

I think that's the point AT is making, at least with them you know what you have signed up for.

[hawaii]

Can someone remind me what punishment McCoist was handed by the SFA for all of this?

[jambovambo]

alex thomson?@alextomo

 

#c4news 32 journalists threatened in Scotland since December, during Rangers meltdown

 

 

No wonder it's quiet on the subject these days.

[Harry Palmer]

Can someone remind me what punishment McCoist was handed by the SFA for all of this?

 

If it's for asking "who are these people?" then it was a 3 match suspension which was suspended for 12 months.

[Floyd]

alex thomson?@alextomo

 

#c4news 32 journalists threatened in Scotland since December, during Rangers meltdown

 

 

No wonder it's quiet on the subject these days.

 

Glaziers currently rubbing their hands with glee at the repair bills ahead for all the tanned windows!!

[hawaii]

If it's for asking "who are these people?" then it was a 3 match suspension which was suspended for 12 months.

 

WOW

 

The minimum he should have got was being made to pay the cost of the police protection

[Mysterion]

alex thomson?@alextomo

 

#c4news 32 journalists threatened in Scotland since December, during Rangers meltdown

 

 

No wonder it's quiet on the subject these days.

 

Somewhat scandelous.

[flecktimus]

alex thomson?@alextomo

 

#c4news 32 journalists threatened in Scotland since December, during Rangers meltdown

 

 

No wonder it's quiet on the subject these days.

 

No wonder the newspapers are all quiet this week Re the White Tapes.

[jambovambo]

I honestly think more and more that this is unsolvable ...

 

... and that the SFA and SPL "beaks", whilst being incompetents, are running scared of what might be unleashed upon them, just like those journalists.

 

So they're not so much pro-Rangers, as "pro-life" i.e. enjoying breathing.

 

What a mess.

[Jambo near Motherwell]

so what will happen to new cheatco?

[alwaysthereinspirit]

If it's for asking "who are these people?" then it was a 3 match suspension which was suspended for 12 months.

So more a finger wagging in the face and sent to his room with no TV for a night. Don't mess with Scottish football, they'll be down on you like an eider down pillow.

[jambovambo]

Things heating up nicely :

 

http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/10/26/succulent-lamb-still-alive-and-well-green-wont-leave-rangers-till-they-reach-champions-league/

[Francis Albert]

Wish i could believe dung and traynor and the rest need to be intimidated.

[tartofmidlothian]

I'm back in love with this thread.

 

Think I speculated around 600 pages ago (I wasn't the only one) that the Scottish football media are running scared of nutters and that's why they keep schtum. I feel sorry for the ones that simply keep their heads down, but not the ones who become Rangers apologists like Traynor.

[jambovambo]

Not so much succulent lamb, as scared sh!tless ...