DETTY29 Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 @Daily_Record: Revealed: Rangers bosses knew about Craig Whyte's shady business deadlings BEFORE Ibrox takeover http://t.co/vm33dFJv As others have said nothing new that we didn't know about and that Johnston, Bain and Greig seriously recommended Murray not to sell to Whyte. But he did, and only for a pound. Must be pretty galling all this for the Rangers fans knowing that, according to Jabba anyway, Lloyds were more than comfortably with Rangers borrowing facilities and the club's future course under SDM. I know we have our own worries, but one of the prominent contributors on McConville's blog seems to imply that Hearts don't have dual contracts. So Vlad and Minty may both be a bit greedy, and may both get their (clubs) fingers burned, or should that be cremated, by the tax man, but at least on a sporting perspective we can still accuse CheatCo of being CheatCo, whereas we are in the clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Spiers re intimidation : http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/opinion/spiers-on-sport-coming-under-threat-for-criticising-rangers.1351601156 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Spiers re intimidation : http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/opinion/spiers-on-sport-coming-under-threat-for-criticising-rangers.1351601156 Spiers has been treated quite badly by Rangers fans over the years. It's quite amusing that there are many who hold basketcase Leggat in higher esteem than Spiers. They really are a bunch of morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 What Spiers fails to mention though is that as a club, Rangers have been using intimidation tactics for ever. From the Murray years and succulent lamb, to Green's bombasity and McCoist's "who are these people?" threats. On the pitch, you only need to see how their players badger and cajole referees into decision making. An horrible football club and their "we arra peepil" mentality and "no one likes us" paranoia makes them footballing fascisti in my eyes. A cancer on the Scottish game and on Scottish society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 What Spiers fails to mention though is that as a club, Rangers have been using intimidation tactics for ever. From the Murray years and succulent lamb, to Green's bombasity and McCoist's "who are these people?" threats. On the pitch, you only need to see how their players badger and cajole referees into decision making. An horrible football club and their "we arra peepil" mentality and "no one likes us" paranoia makes them footballing fascisti in my eyes. A cancer on the Scottish game and on Scottish society. A cancer that Scottish football and Scottish society had the chance to eradicate in the summer but didn't. We shat it. To our collective eternal shame, we shat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 What Spiers fails to mention though is that as a club, Rangers have been using intimidation tactics for ever. From the Murray years and succulent lamb, to Green's bombasity and McCoist's "who are these people?" threats. On the pitch, you only need to see how their players badger and cajole referees into decision making. An horrible football club and their "we arra peepil" mentality and "no one likes us" paranoia makes them footballing fascisti in my eyes. A cancer on the Scottish game and on Scottish society. This thought occurred to me when Naismith had a penatly claim for Everton in the Merseyside derby on Sunday past. He just seemed to shrug and accept where as when playing for the huns he would have turned round screaming with his arms flapping wildly like a demented octopus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 What Spiers fails to mention though is that as a club, Rangers have been using intimidation tactics for ever. From the Murray years and succulent lamb, to Green's bombasity and McCoist's "who are these people?" threats. On the pitch, you only need to see how their players badger and cajole referees into decision making. An horrible football club and their "we arra peepil" mentality and "no one likes us" paranoia makes them footballing fascisti in my eyes. A cancer on the Scottish game and on Scottish society. He also never acknowledges that perhaps other people aren't as strong willed/nonchalent about the whole thing as he is. Now perhaps its tacit, but to say it's awful but it never really bothered me is to leave the surfaced unscratched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Spiers has been treated quite badly by Rangers fans over the years. It's quite amusing that there are many who hold basketcase Leggat in higher esteem than Spiers. They really are a bunch of morons. There's at least one posts on here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flecktimus Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 There's at least one posts on here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 There's at least one posts on here.... Yup! Quotes him word for word and takes it all as gospel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/10/30/rangers-statement-today-big-tax-case-nothing-to-do-with-us-mate/ McConville re statement just now on RFC site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Slightly off topic but I've just finished reading McScrabble's book, which I bought as a protest against the serialisation not occurring. If you haven't bought it I wouldn't bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 May have been posted but I see the Record is reporting that Green is keen for old Wattie to join his "Rangers revolution". I know it's the Record, but using the same phrase they used as a "stickie" for Whyte's takeover? Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 May have been posted but I see the Record is reporting that Green is keen for old Wattie to join his "Rangers revolution". I know it's the Record, but using the same phrase they used as a "stickie" for Whyte's takeover? Amazing. It was all over the back page of The Sun today, yet more playing to the galleries from Chuck. He may be a bit crazy but he sure knows how to play to the stands doesn't he?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 The Daily Record's attempt to have a go at Whyte feels like the Daily Mail in 1945 really getting stuck into Hitler. Both hoping no one remembers when they printed these peoples BS and backed them without question.The Daily Record lost what credability it had as a sports paper in the past year and a half, doing Charles Greens dirty work on Whyte is just continuing the tradition of it being as the lackey to Rangers owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 The Daily Record's attempt to have a go at Whyte feels like the Daily Mail in 1945 really getting stuck into Hitler. Both hoping no one remembers when they printed these peoples BS and backed them without question. Gosh, if you can remember what that felt like, you must be much older than I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Douglas Fraser @BBCDouglsFraser On my way to the Court of Session in Edinburgh, expecting to witness oldco #Rangers liquidated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I would say the Duffers will have squeaky sphincters at this precise moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I would say the Duffers will have squeaky sphincters at this precise moment. They sure will and I doubt they will be alone on that front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) Seems we've lost a few hundred pages after the wee update... Just seeing if I can edit posts now... Hurrah! Edited October 31, 2012 by Kurgan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Here we go! Paul McConville @Paulmcc12 Collyer Bristow ? lawyers for oldco #rangers oppose administration ending Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Douglas Fraser @BBCDouglsFraser On my way to the Court of Session in Edinburgh, expecting to witness oldco #Rangers liquidated Beautiful. Hopefully the duffers take a rodding in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Hmmm, so why would Collyer Bristow oppose liquidation? Does this mean Shooter opposes liquidation because of the way the Duffers carried out the admin process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Here we go! Paul McConville @Paulmcc12 Collyer Bristow ? lawyers for oldco #rangers oppose administration ending Things are looking up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottish_chicP Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Someone put it into simple terms please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Hmmm, so why would Collyer Bristow oppose liquidation? Does this mean Shooter opposes liquidation because of the way the Duffers carried out the admin process? Unless they are part of Team Whytes plan to nobble Team Eckythump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Someone put it into simple terms please? Well, no one is quite sure at the moment what Collyer Bristow are up to but given they acted for Shooter, it could mean he is objecting to the asset disposal in the administration process, stopping BDO coming in. Whether Lord Hodge has accepted that or not remains to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Apparently Lord Hodge wants a copy of the Shooter tape with Grier but BBC won't hand it over so it may need a court order. Two things: 1. The Duffers are fecked 2. The BBC have even more stuff to come out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottish_chicP Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Interesting thanks Geoff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Apparently Lord Hodge wants a copy of the Shooter tape with Grier but BBC won't hand it over so it may need a court order. Two things: 1. The Duffers are fecked 2. The BBC have even more stuff to come out It's getting interesting again. Hopefully Lord Hodge will look into the indecent haste with which the assets were disposed of, not to mention the 'market price' attained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaii Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Any news on whether Duff & Phelps have handed over their report claiming they have no conflict of interest - or is that what they're doing today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 It's getting interesting again. Hopefully Lord Hodge will look into the indecent haste with which the assets were disposed of, not to mention the 'market price' attained. I don't think it's ever stopped being interesting! Still can't see how justice will be done and seen to be done. And that's at many levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 From STV journo who's attending the court...can't tweet from inside obviously so must be on a break atm. Sorry if old ground.. Cara Sulieman ?@carasulieman Right. Duff & Phelps are applying to end administration and hand over to BDO for liquidation. The "estate" handed over would include ?1.7m in cash plus "other assets". However, Collyer Bristow, one of the creditors, are opposing the petition. It's technically two petitions - one to end administration and another to appoint liquidators. Lord Hodge being asked to consider both. D&P say the main purpose of the administration - "to maintain the company as a going concern" - was not achieved. But they maintain they achieved another "minor objective" of "getting a better return". We haven't heard from Collyer Bristow yet so not heard detail of their objection, D&P told Lord Hodge Collyer Bristow did not vote on latest round of resolutions, which included today's action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 D&P say the main purpose of the administration - "to maintain the company as a going concern" - was not achieved. But they maintain they achieved another "minor objective" of "getting a better return". Interesting choice of words from D&P given they achieved the main goal of ensuring the "business" of Rangers FC was migrated to a new shell company so it could continue. Effectively the primary business structures were mapped to a new company killing the original Rangers corporate framework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 McConville seems to be attending ... Paul McConville?@Paulmcc12 Not a Live Blog of the Oldco #Rangers Liquidation Hearing http://wp.me/p1Adbc-Dq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Apologies if already posted but couldn't see it. http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/sfl-division-three/rangers-fans-assured-tax-case-will-not-affect-newco-1-2606562 I know they've been saying this would be the case anyway but I honestly thought there was a chance newco would be hit with the dual contract penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Tweets from the court session : Paul McConville?@Paulmcc12 The Tweeted Report by @mdkster on This Morning's #Rangers Hearing http://wp.me/p1Adbc-Dt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audrey65 Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) Apologies if already posted but couldn't see it. http://www.scotsman....newco-1-2606562 I know they've been saying this would be the case anyway but I honestly thought there was a chance newco would be hit with the dual contract penalties. The tax case is a seperate matter from the dual contracts issue. The tax case is a matter for HMRC, and hopefully the Police, and the dual contracts are a matter for the football authorities and will be dealt with by the panel chaired by Lord Nimmo-Smith. Edited October 31, 2012 by audrey65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Douglas Fraser?@BBCDouglsFraser Lawyers trying to block wind-up of #Rangers administration tell court ?2m extra outlays only revealed this month, and not to all creditors Douglas Fraser?@BBCDouglsFraser Oldco #Rangers administrators took ?2.5m fee from funds without proper permission, court told. It 'rectified' this later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 STV News?@STVNews Rangers oldco in liquidation after administrator legal dispute resolved http://bit.ly/RrH86g 2mJamie Borthwick?@jamiekborthwick New date fixed for transcript of BBC allegations. Duff and Phelps remain liable despite no longer being administrators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flecktimus Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-20141946 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 What's it all mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Juan Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 What's it all mean? Was thinking the same. Can anyone explain what is going to be liquidated apart from a name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Was thinking the same. Can anyone explain what is going to be liquidated apart from a name? the old company has a measly 1.7 million that will be split between creditors who are due 120 million. Once again despite huge evidence of a conflict of interest and a below market transfer to newco rangers have gotten away with it. Hmrc bottled it, sfa bottled it and now the judge has bottled it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flecktimus Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 the old company has a measly 1.7 million that will be split between creditors who are due 120 million. Once again despite huge evidence of a conflict of interest and a below market transfer to newco rangers have gotten away with it. Hmrc bottled it, sfa bottled it and now the judge has bottled it. I dont think the judge has bottled it as he is setting a new date to look at the evidence from the BBC, I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I dont think the judge has bottled it as he is setting a new date to look at the evidence from the BBC, I think I just read that a deal had been agreed. If you think back to the mark daly bbc programme the lawyer or accountant looking at the appointment of duff and phelps as administrators described it as one of the worst examples of conflicts of interest he has ever seen. If the judge has signed off the administration process despite the conflict of interest then in my opinion he is turning a blind eye to the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john brownlee Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 the old company has a measly 1.7 million that will be split between creditors who are due 120 million. Once again despite huge evidence of a conflict of interest and a below market transfer to newco rangers have gotten away with it. Hmrc bottled it, sfa bottled it and now the judge has bottled it. said that all along the judge had laid his cards on the table before the hearing making way for them to get away with it and you could say he bottled it then and he has bottled it again maybe he was due a jiffy bag through the post as it seems to be the norm now. and that stinks too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I just read that a deal had been agreed. If you think back to the mark daly bbc programme the lawyer or accountant looking at the appointment of duff and phelps as administrators described it as one of the worst examples of conflicts of interest he has ever seen. If the judge has signed off the administration process despite the conflict of interest then in my opinion he is turning a blind eye to the rules. If Duff and Phelps are still liable to Lord Hodge it should mean that they haven't been paid and he wants the new evidence as part of his conflict of interest determination. I think BDO's pot will grow by ?4m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdannyb Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 BDO now own OldRangers so do they have the power to reverse the rip-off asset sale to Sevco? I think they do and will. If I'm right, Sevco will soon cease to be. Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 If Duff and Phelps are still liable to Lord Hodge it should mean that they haven't been paid and he wants the new evidence as part of his conflict of interest determination. I think BDO's pot will grow by ?4m. possible that duff and phelps will be punished and possibly have to repay fees. However I think if a conflict is proven then they should be liable for the difference between the market value of the assets transferred notably ibrox, the car park and Murray park and the 1.5 million they sold them for. Hmrc however seem quite comfortable despite these valuations ever being made public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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