I P Knightley Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Is that good or bad ? i.e. is an abstention the same as a NO vote ? Do we even know the voting rules yet ? They need positive YES votes. The count is of those with voting rights; not those who choose to vote. Abstensions and NO votes count equally against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Grimes Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 outed In all seriousness though, you're correct. They have no right to a league place anywhere in the set-up. Its not necessarily that they should wait in a queue though, they should put together an application for Div 3 membership and see how it stacks up against the competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 What are you talking about? He's talking about Traynor's latest piece of crap, quoted above. Suggestion by the clubs (or Traynor?) trying to get clubs who have said they will vote no to change their minds to switch to a secret ballot so the latter will find it easier to do the decent thing, change their minds and vote yes to save Rangers and Scottish football. They really are desperate now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Actually it's worth less. It was made out it was worth more but as it's over more years it's actually worth less per year. Yes classic bit of Doncaster spin to make it out a better deal. Doncaster's brilliant tactic of telling the world the "product" is only worth anything because of four games worked a treat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardiac Rucksack Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 The weegia are getting desperate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Grimes Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Actually it's worth less. It was made out it was worth more but as it's over more years it's actually worth less per year. Are you absolutely sure about that? I'm pretty sure it was up each year & the below seems to confirm that. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/15824173 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Lighter Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 In very crude figures the Old Firm get one third of the TV money, and the "remaining" ten clubs get an average of just over six percent each... So effectively, if Sky renegotiated the deal at 33% less than the deal currently on the table, then celtic would be forced to accept an equal split of the cash under the new voting system and the 'diddies' would only be marginally worse off than they are now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 He's talking about Traynor's latest piece of crap, quoted above. Suggestion by the clubs (or Traynor?) trying to get clubs who have said they will vote no to change their minds to switch to a secret ballot so the latter will find it easier to do the decent thing, change their minds and vote yes to save Rangers and Scottish football. They really are desperate now. I'm aware of Traynor's latest piece of turd-journalism. I'm wondering why people are leaping from desperate, dishonest hack makes up pile of shite about some SPL clubs having a chat about Rangers to definite, confirmed OF-led breakaway. It's nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 The weegia are getting desperate Absolutely. I think I may just quote this post every time someone gets outraged by the latest piece of shite they publish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) Funniest bit for me is the part where he says Green has a helicopter on stand by. Wonder if its the most succulent helicopter? The old helicopter fetish. Doncaster claims the SPL is one of the most competitive leagues in football because we regularly have these "helicopter Sundays". Probably tipped Green (and/or Traynor) just to mention a helicopter and everything would be fine. Edited July 3, 2012 by Francis Albert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Surely that would classify them as a Phoenix company and creditors could chase them also, all very confusing. Just die already. Personally I think keeping the name rangers in any newco name would constitute a Pheonix company. I'm biased though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Yes classic bit of Doncaster spin to make it out a better deal. Doncaster's brilliant tactic of telling the world the "product" is only worth anything because of four games worked a treat. Damages the game more every day he is allowed to remain in post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I'm aware of Traynor's latest piece of turd-journalism. I'm wondering why people are leaping from desperate, dishonest hack makes up pile of shite about some SPL clubs having a chat about Rangers to definite, confirmed OF-led breakaway. It's nuts. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Grimes Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 The weegia are getting desperate If you think today is bad then wait until tomorrow after the SFL have kicked them into touch. I'm pretty confident we'll be told a no vote by the SPL will the re-animation of the zombie corpse of Hitler who will march across Scotland eating the brains of everyone's first born child. Succulent brains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lyon Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) If the Newco & Celtic had no one to play against would Sky be interested - I don't think so. Therefore any TV money should be shared equally. You could argue the same for shared gate money. 40 to 50K of Huns and Tims turn-up because there is a team to play against. Edited July 3, 2012 by Stuart Lyon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher75 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 This is really pathetic. In saying this, they're admitting that they have something to apologise for but are saying that they won't actually apologise unless everyone else does them a favour. I'd be embarrassed if my 6 year old were to behave in such a petulant way. For a 60-odd year old "straight talking" Yorkshireman to be doing so it just utterly ridiculous. It's like a man found guilty saying to the judge: "If you give me a few hours community service instead of sending me to prison then I promise I'll say sorry for being a naughty boy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) There's no corruption like a sevco corruption No not one and there never shall be one!! Other clubs may pay their bills and taxes Other clubs maybe do not cheat Buth there's no corruption like a sevco co corruption No not one and there never shall be one. Edited July 3, 2012 by Seymour M Hersh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 The OF currently get 32% of TV money, they wanted 36% not there is no Rangers perhaps the top 12 clubs should all get 8.3% each, that would be an increase by 2% for most clubs and a cut of Celtics average of 7.7% which would keep them in line with everybody else and perhaps make for a stronger overall league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Chris McLaughlin ?@BBCchrismclaug Gordon McDougal of Livingston FC says there?s a growing feeling that #Rangers newco should go to division 3. #SFL Chris McLaughlin ?@BBCchrismclaug On steps of Hampden, Raith Rovers chairman Turnbull Hutton says the game is corrupt. Says he?s been lied to, threatened and bullied. #SFL Live feeds from the SFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 sounds like there will be an EGM Brechin City statement The Management Committee of Brechin City FC will refrain from issuing any public comment on the current situation in respect of Rangers FC until after the meeting of all 30 SFL clubs at Hampden Park on Tuesday 3rd July. The Club Chairman and Vice Chairman will attend the Club meeting to gather information, contribute to the discussion and debate on the day. It is important to note that no vote will take place at the meeting but information will be provided for Club?s to take back to their boards and committees. The Committee?s intention will be to discuss these proposals in full at the next management committee on Thursday of this week and at the members AGM on 11th July before they are put to the vote at an EGM of the Scottish Football League. Anyone who cannot attend the AGM and who wishes to forward a view can do so by email to [email protected]. This is without doubt an unprecedented time in Scottish football, and it is of paramount importance that any decision must be in the best interests of the game as a whole, but should in the first instance protect the well being and future of Brechin City Football Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Dunfermline and East Fife say Rangers to go to 3rd, B.Rangers abstaining for now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 The weegia are getting desperate Totally! Won't take a stance against them as they fear for their personal safety and know that sales would drop off by 50% or maybe more. Wankstains the lot of them in weegia . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 James Matthews ?@SkyScot One senior 1st div figure tells me he favours a #Rangers year-out, then re-apply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Dunfermline and East Fife say Rangers to go to 3rd, B.Rangers abstaining for now Stirling and Stranraer agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartofmidlothian Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Jim Spence ?@bbcjimspence Neil Doncaster about to start presentation to SFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bell Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Radio Scotland 12.20, Liam Mcleod will be reporting from Hampden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Jim Spence ?@bbcjimspence Neil Doncaster about to start presentation to SFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Damages the game more every day he is allowed to remain in post. Blame the clubs then. Any suggestion he's coming up with all this nonsense of his own volition is ridiculous. He us an administrator, he does what the clubs tell him. Celtic and Rangers being the lead payers for the piper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 They aren't getting this through, and I suspect that the EGM will not happen/will be cancelled once Doncaster gets out his abacus and realises that, yet again, he's come up with a cunning plan, but hasn't got the votes to get it passed. I'm guessing that there will be no reconstruction before this year, and The Rangers will win the vote for the vacancy in division three. It will be interesting to see what happens though, especially if the vote on who to admit is a secret ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 SSN Annan say they had to apply so should newco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartofmidlothian Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 In very crude figures the Old Firm get one third of the TV money, and the "remaining" ten clubs get an average of just over six percent each... Cheers, Gasman. So at the moment, the Old Firm as was get 15% each and the rest of us get 6%. If/when Rangers go, we even up the voting system and vote in an even split, every team including Celtic gets 8.33%. So the Sky deal could drop by 25% of its current value and each club in the league would still get a pro rata figure amounting to 6.25% of the old Sky deal. In short - if Rangers go and Sky try to renegotiate the terms of their deal, the SPL could offer them viewing rights for 75% of the current total and every team bar Celtic would be better off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Nt voting is as ggod as a NO vote Jim Spence ?@bbcjimspence Airdrie and Dundee will not vote when vote takes place on the issue of Newco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Am I right in thinking that the number of SFL clubs who have announced support for The Rangers being in division one next year is still zero? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaii Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I'm not really keeping up with / paying attention to, the stories in the papers but has the Sun ever reported that the Sky would walk away or is is just the Record claiming this? Not that journalists are known to be 'men of their word' but I wouldn't have thought the Sun would do any speculation about this, as they would have access to the definitive answer That's quite a leap - News International own a large part of Sky but I don't see why they would give a Sun journalist access. I'd guess if Sky were to want to go public they might give the exclusive to The Sun, but I can't see why a journo would have access to Sky confidential information taken down in London - unless they are up to their old tricks with mobiles again!! The only thing certain in all this is that whatever you read in the Scottish tabloids has consistently been proven to be pash. I don't know why anyone would believe anything they read in those rags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
269miles Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Am I right in thinking that the number of SFL clubs who have announced support for The Rangers being in division one next year is still zero? That's my understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 That's my understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 That's my understanding. despite the desperation of the discredited Record, so far there has not been one public statement in support of Newco Killie have shown discord but so far not indicatted their intention publically. Celtic being the COWARDS they are will be trying to manipulate behind the scenes, but their light will fade once the new Football Dawn starts Football Spring! we are on the verge of getting our game back from the unwashed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Blame the clubs then. Any suggestion he's coming up with all this nonsense of his own volition is ridiculous. He us an administrator, he does what the clubs tell him. Celtic and Rangers being the lead payers for the piper. I think if you say "the clubs" meaning Rangers and Celtic you may have a point. But as Chief Executive and, with Topping, 2 out of 5 votes on the SPL Board (with Celtic, 3 making a controlling vote) I think you understimate his powers. And some of the idiocies he comes up with or contributes to (the silly powerpont presentation) are surely his own unique contribution. The OF, whatever else you say about them, did a great job stitching up Scottish football for well over a century. Doncaster's arrogance and incompetence has at least made a contribution to it all unravelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Am I right in thinking that the number of SFL clubs who have announced support for The Rangers being in division one next year is still zero? ... can't be true. Surely we'd have read it in the Record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMc Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) So Rangers will apologise if they are allowed back into the SPL. Does that mean that they will not apologise if they are not allowed in? Rangers will agree to fairer distribution of income if they are allowed back into the SPL. But not a fair distribution? Rangers would agree to a change in the voting structure if allowed back into the SPL. Surely the other clubs could change this more easily without Rangers? Edited July 3, 2012 by CMc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Jim Spence ?@bbcjimspence Neil Doncaster about to start presentation to SFL. The final nail in Rangers coffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 ... can't be true. Surely we'd have read it in the Record. I think they believe that the Daily Record fives team gets a vote, and that SFL clubs don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bell Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 ... can't be true. Surely we'd have read it in the Record. Especially with Traynor being an Aidrie fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Grimes Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 James Matthews ?@SkyScot One senior 1st div figure tells me he favours a #Rangers year-out, then re-apply By far the most sensible solution for all parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 So Rangers will apologise if they are allowed back into the SPL. Does that mean that they will not apologise if they are not aloud in? Rangers will agree to fairer distribution of income if they are allowed back into the SPL. But not a fair distribution? Rangers would agree to a change in the voting structure if allowed back into the SPL. Surely the other clubs could change this more easily without Rangers? An appology being part of the sanctions, forcing that is now seen as a punishment? whats the use of their lame "Im Sorry" in any case, unless it comes from SDM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 STV Sport ?@STVSport Rangers newco chairman Malcolm Murray has apologised "for the distress, disruption and difficulty inflicted" by club Cool, everything is sorted now lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaka Demus & pliers Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Chris McLaughlin ?@BBCchrismclaug On steps of Hampden, Raith Rovers chairman Turnbull Hutton says the game is corrupt. Says he?s been lied to, threatened and bullied. #SFL Just thought this should be noted again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I think if you say "the clubs" meaning Rangers and Celtic you may have a point. But as Chief Executive and, with Topping, 2 out of 5 votes on the SPL Board (with Celtic, 3 making a controlling vote) I think you understimate his powers. And some of the idiocies he comes up with or contributes to (the silly powerpont presentation) are surely his own unique contribution. The OF, whatever else you say about them, did a great job stitching up Scottish football for well over a century. Doncaster's arrogance and incompetence has at least made a contribution to it all unravelling. Oh, I mean the OF alright. Celtic are pulling the strings, no question IMO. However, Doncaster would have been subject of a no confidence vote if there wasn't significant support for his actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 pack up the thread lads, they said 'sawwy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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