Hagar the Horrible Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 I'm sure I read it somewhere this morning but someone can correct me if wrong. Am I right in thinking that the players involved wanted this result because it means HMRC goes after BDO? And had Rangers won then it would have been the players they'd have gone after? Could have it wrong way round though. Thats the BBC's take on this, but they will go after everybody, and those who also benefitted from it from other companies, including a few very nervous football clubs around the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Thats the BBC's take on this, but they will go after everybody, and those who also benefitted from it from other companies, including a few very nervous football clubs around the UK Rugby clubs as well by looks of it. Huge implications! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Aye it's all very well talking about titles and trophies, what about all the other clubs they cheated against, costing champions league places, top 6 places, places in finals, attendances dropping because people are turned off by the duopoly. Scottish Cup - Aberdeen, Dundee, QotS and Falkirk all potential Scottish Cup winners, attendances rise and the club and community benefit from this. League Cup - St Johnston, Ayr, Motherwell, Dundee Utd and St Mirren all potential League Cup winners. Same benefits as above. Potential Champions League qualification for - St Johnston, Hearts, Hibs, Livingston, Aberdeen, Motherwell and Dundee United. EBT's started from 2008, is it just a coincidence that the Premiership started this same year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Graham Spiers? @GrahamSpiers 16m16 minutes ago The reputation of Rangers FC has been tarnished over several decades. It has now just been thoroughly trashed. #BigTaxCase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Graham Spiers? @GrahamSpiers 16m16 minutes ago The reputation of Rangers FC has been tarnished over several decades. It has now just been thoroughly trashed. #BigTaxCase He should add by David Murray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo_23 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Aye it's all very well talking about titles and trophies, what about all the other clubs they cheated against, costing champions league places, top 6 places, places in finals, attendances dropping because people are turned off by the duopoly. Scottish Cup - Aberdeen, Dundee, QotS and Falkirk all potential Scottish Cup winners, attendances rise and the club and community benefit from this. League Cup - St Johnston, Ayr, Motherwell, Dundee Utd and St Mirren all potential League Cup winners. Same benefits as above. Potential Champions League qualification for - St Johnston, Hearts, Hibs, Livingston, Aberdeen, Motherwell and Dundee United. EBT's started from 2008, is it just a coincidence that the Premiership started this same year? It's not just the teams in the finals , It's the teams they faced in the semi/ quaterfinals etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Graham Spiers? @GrahamSpiers 16m16 minutes ago The reputation of Rangers FC has been tarnished over several decades. It has now just been thoroughly trashed. #BigTaxCase "Replying to @GrahamSpiers Hard to judge which Rangers* is more embarrassing this morning." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Please let this be the big catalyst we've been needing for major change in Scottish football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 It's not just the teams in the finals , It's the teams they faced in the semi/ quaterfinals etc Absolutely, also the Euro final in Manchester, but then that's a corrupt footballing organisation ruling on a corrupt football club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Why should cup runners up be awarded trophies? Rangers shouldn't have progressed past the first round, never mind gotten to finals Just vacate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 The knuckle draggers will change their tune from 'it wisnae illegal' to 'we wur badly advised how could the SFA let this happen?' etc Campbell Ogilvie started off the DOS and had an EBT. Andrew Dickson administered the EBT. Both have been in the guts of the SFA for years and fine well now what was going on... It's time for a new SFA which if not completely independent of the clubs (FIFA / UEFA may insist on the clubs being involved) at least is independently audited every year by another bod, by a fine tooth comb. I'd suggest one of the big 5 FAs either England or Germany plus some other government body. The SPFL also needs to move into the SFA as the marketing / commercial arm, but tightly governed by a more fir for purpose SFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DETTY29 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) Why should cup runners up be awarded trophies? Rangers shouldn't have progressed past the first round, never mind gotten to finals Just vacate them. Asterix them all. But it's not just the trophies in the history books It's virtually every board director and key personel not only across RFC plc and elements of MG involved with RFCs finances and player contracts registration, but also within the SFA, SPL and SFL that needs kicked out for ever. It's probably in the region of 20+ individuals. Edited July 5, 2017 by DETTY29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyjamboDerbyshire Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Aye it's all very well talking about titles and trophies, what about all the other clubs they cheated against, costing champions league places, top 6 places, places in finals, attendances dropping because people are turned off by the duopoly. Scottish Cup - Aberdeen, Dundee, QotS and Falkirk all potential Scottish Cup winners, attendances rise and the club and community benefit from this. League Cup - St Johnston, Ayr, Motherwell, Dundee Utd and St Mirren all potential League Cup winners. Same benefits as above. Potential Champions League qualification for - St Johnston, Hearts, Hibs, Livingston, Aberdeen, Motherwell and Dundee United. EBT's started from 2008, is it just a coincidence that the Premiership started this same year? I think it was 2001 that the EBTs started, preceded by the DOS Scheme, but I do accept that there could have been a link to the change to the SPL (it became the Premiership post 'Armageddon'), as, I think, the top tier rules were changed at that time to incorporate the words that allowed Regan to make the spurious claim that TRFC were the same club. We know that Murray, and other members of the RFC board, were well aware that the club was on a financial downward spiral for a long time before the arrival of Whyte; and, for the first time, it was considered necessary/desirable to incorporate 'liquidation' into the rules of Scottish football, although not into the rules of the SFL, where one might previously have expected there to be more of a likelihood of liquidation taking place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 The part of this story that has been ignored is the victims I would be all for stripping Rangers and awarding the titles to the team that came second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyjamboDerbyshire Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Why should cup runners up be awarded trophies? Rangers shouldn't have progressed past the first round, never mind gotten to finals Just vacate them. I agree, and it's the same with league titles. If the argument for reassigning titles is that RFC should have all their results changed to a 3-0 defeat, then that would mean they (RFC) finished bottom of the league in each season they cheated. How then could it be squared with the club(s) that got relegated on each of those seasons instead of them? Why would a club have any more right to the league title than another club have to the right to continued top tier participation in the place of a club that cheated? There's another aspect to be considered when discussing the reassignment of titles: there's more chance of the SFA and SPFL 'doing the right thing' if they don't have the fear of the repercussions of another club (Celtic) gaining from their decision! And, just perhaps, even Rangers supporters don't deserve to see the titles going to their greatest, and hated, rivals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 I wonder how all the league tables would have looked with Rangers deleted and all results awarded as wins to the other club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 The part of this story that has been ignored is the victims I would be all for stripping Rangers and awarding the titles to the team that came second. Why? Way, way more to it than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Rangers Tax Case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Every club needs to press for the titles to be stripped. Absolutely has to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave Hearts Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) Every club needs to insist that Dungcaster and Regain are forced out of their roles for being complicit and for ignoring that the Huns v1 were cheating by not stating the true position of players contracts. Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb knew and did nothing. Their roles and positions of administrators of the governance of Scottish football are now untenable and have been for many years. Edited July 5, 2017 by Brave Hearts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 The part of this story that has been ignored is the victims I would be all for stripping Rangers and awarding the titles to the team that came second. Just leave the titles and cups blank with an asterisk showing that the were obtained by cheating by Oldco. History should show what cheating scumbags they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Uefa are going to chuck the Zombies out of Europe over this....oh wait STRIP THE TITLES NOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 I have asked FoH previously if they would seek to influence our in-house SPFL board member on issues such as this. They declined to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 I have asked FoH previously if they would seek to influence our in-house SPFL board member on issues such as this. They declined to do so. I think they should revisit that now. There can't be a single Hearts fan who doesn't want Rangers dealt with properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Lincs Jambo Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 I have asked FoH previously if they would seek to influence our in-house SPFL board member on issues such as this. They declined to do so. In light of today's verdict possibly time to ask again?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 I have asked FoH previously if they would seek to influence our in-house SPFL board member on issues such as this. They declined to do so. Time for that question to be asked again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 If Scottish football does nothing now, and the Fans allow their sycophatic clubs to do nothing we get the game we deserve.....ITS Corrupt end the corruption STRIP THEIR TITLES NOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crs87 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 I have asked FoH previously if they would seek to influence our in-house SPFL board member on issues such as this. They declined to do so. FF, Do you still have the email? Would be beneficial to paste it here and we could all email FoH & club? Just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 FF, Do you still have the email? Would be beneficial to paste it here and we could all email FoH & club? Just a thought Frankly, I always think a physical letter is better in this situation ... Massive mailbag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Looking forward to Brownbear's take on this news Kafflik conspiracy would be my best guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 SDM "speaks" ... http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/rangers/rangers-big-tax-case-verdict-sir-david-murray-releases-statement-1-4495171 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 I wonder how all the league tables would have looked with Rangers deleted and all results awarded as wins to the other club. Lol, the same ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) I wonder how all the league tables would have looked with Rangers deleted and all results awarded as wins to the other club.Lol, the same...... I wonder what it would be like if we have ever other club 1000 points extra.... Edited July 5, 2017 by Rudi'sleftfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyjamboDerbyshire Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 I have asked FoH previously if they would seek to influence our in-house SPFL board member on issues such as this. They declined to do so. Ah, so that's what they mean by 'fan ownership'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyjamboDerbyshire Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 I have asked FoH previously if they would seek to influence our in-house SPFL board member on issues such as this. They declined to do so. Ah, so that's what they mean by 'fan ownership'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jambo poet Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 SDM "speaks" ... http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/rangers/rangers-big-tax-case-verdict-sir-david-murray-releases-statement-1-4495171 this made me feel sick.... ?It should be emphasised that there have been no allegations made by HMRC or any of the courts that the club was involved in tax evasion, which is a criminal offence. ?The decision will be greeted with dismay by the ordinary creditors of the club, many of which are small businesses, who will now receive a much lower distribution in the liquidation of the club, which occurred during the ownership of Craig Whyte, than may otherwise have been the case." what about not declaring the side contracts to the sfa? wasn't that illegal? What about burning documents? isn't that illegal? in both cases it's certainly evasion. it wisny me it was the new boy. He should at least be stripped of his knighthood...he's nothing more than a criminal, and should do time for his dishonesty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 We all knew all along what games Rangers had been playing. They've been clinging to technicalities and interpretations but to the man on the street, they were cheating. Absolutely delighted that this is blowing up on Dave King's watch. Roaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 ?The decision runs counter to the legal advice which was consistently provided to Rangers Football Club, that on the basis of the law and legal precedent at the time, the contributions made to the trust were not earnings and should not be taxed as such." The legal was obviously wrong Minty. ?It should be emphasised that there have been no allegations made by HMRC or any of the courts that the club was involved in tax evasion, which is a criminal offence." You cheated that is why you and your team undertook the deliberate hiding of wages to players and staff. Why else would you do it!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 http://spfl.co.uk/news/article/spfl-statement-74/ An SPFL spokesman said: "The Board of the SPFL notes today's judgement of the Supreme Court. We will now take time to examine the ?judgement in detail and to consider any implications for the SPFL." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighTimes Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 I have asked FoH previously if they would seek to influence our in-house SPFL board member on issues such as this. They declined to do so. Need to ask that question again, I reckon. Without title stripping, Scottish football might as well just publicly admit it only exists for the pleasure of the Old Firm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 http://spfl.co.uk/news/article/spfl-statement-74/ An SPFL spokesman said: "The Board of the SPFL notes today's judgement of the Supreme Court. We will now take time to examine the ?judgement in detail and to consider any implications for the SPFL." "We are currently trying to find a giant brush and will get back to you" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 this made me feel sick.... ?It should be emphasised that there have been no allegations made by HMRC or any of the courts that the club was involved in tax evasion, which is a criminal offence. ?The decision will be greeted with dismay by the ordinary creditors of the club, many of which are small businesses, who will now receive a much lower distribution in the liquidation of the club, which occurred during the ownership of Craig Whyte, than may otherwise have been the case." what about not declaring the side contracts to the sfa? wasn't that illegal? What about burning documents? isn't that illegal? in both cases it's certainly evasion. it wisny me it was the new boy. He should at least be stripped of his knighthood...he's nothing more than a criminal, and should do time for his dishonesty Whoops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Chris McLaughlin?Verified account @BBCchrismclaug 17m17 minutes ago More I detect no appetite from those running Scottish football for another Lord Nimmo Smith style investigation following today's HMRC verdict Grant Russell?Verified account @STVGrant 40m40 minutes ago More The stance from Hampden is very much that LNS ruled on concealment of side letters, not legality of scheme. Reopening case not on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 "We are currently trying to find a giant brush and will get back to you" Next up will be the SFA. "Avert your eyes from the carpet please." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 this made me feel sick.... ?It should be emphasised that there have been no allegations made by HMRC or any of the courts that the club was involved in tax evasion, which is a criminal offence. ?The decision will be greeted with dismay by the ordinary creditors of the club, many of which are small businesses, who will now receive a much lower distribution in the liquidation of the club, which occurred during the ownership of Craig Whyte, than may otherwise have been the case." what about not declaring the side contracts to the sfa? wasn't that illegal? What about burning documents? isn't that illegal? in both cases it's certainly evasion. it wisny me it was the new boy. He should at least be stripped of his knighthood...he's nothing more than a criminal, and should do time for his dishonesty Thought it was the company that died? And the club survived, at least that's the fairytale that's been spun by the MSM & The Rangers since 2012, of course we've all known it for the lie it was, but has minty just confirmed that the club died along with the company? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Chris McLaughlin?Verified account @BBCchrismclaug 17m17 minutes agoMore I detect no appetite from those running Scottish football for another Lord Nimmo Smith style investigation following today's HMRC verdict Grant Russell?Verified account @STVGrant 40m40 minutes agoMore The stance from Hampden is very much that LNS ruled on concealment of side letters, not legality of scheme. Reopening case not on the table. Here we go. "Nothing to see here." As a club, we need to get involved in this. **** the SFA and the Huns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 LNS was not aware and couldn't be that this scheme was and is now regarded as "wages" which undoubtedly gave advantage therefore imo it should be revisited and the original LNS decision declared null and void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Would I be right in saying that the LNS verdict carries all the legal weight of someone slavering in the pub? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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