jimbojambo Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Just out of interest are any other clubs owned by a holding company or was it just them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Someone said this was going to be live streamed. Any links? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Someone said this was going to be live streamed. Any links? This I think... Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allowayjambo1874 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Just out of interest are any other clubs owned by a holding company or was it just them? Loads of clubs, in fact it used to be most clubs, not sure if it's changed nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 This I think... Link Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocco_Jambo Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Unanimously dismissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Unanimously dismissed. So cheaters then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngleParkMenace Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Cheats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 That was short and VERY sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshallschunkychicken Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 By the time I got connected, it was all over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Conclusion[92] For the foregoing reasons we will accordingly allow HMRC?s appeal on the first ground advanced by them. On that basis we will answer the fourth question in the appeal in the affirmative, and hold that the First-tier Tribunal erred in allowing the original appeal and that the Upper Tribunal erred in refusing the appeal before it. The other questions in the appeal do not therefore arise. The assessments to PAYE have been correctly made, for the reasons already discussed. On that basis we will recall the orders of the First-tier and Upper Tribunals and affirm the determinations appealed against, including that relating to PAYE, with the exception of the determinations and decisions concerning Sir David Murray in relation to the Bel Azur property transaction, which is conceded by HMRC. We will reserve the question of expenses in view of the history of the appeals. Um ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/rangers/rangers-big-tax-case-verdict-supreme-court-rules-in-favour-of-hmrc-1-4495072 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Case ID: UKSC 2016/0073 Case summary Issue(s) Whether the Court of Session erred in law in reversing the specialist Tribunals below and concluding that payments of "emoluments" or "earnings", for the purposes of the Income and Corporation Taxes Act 1988 and the Income Tax (Earnings and Pensions) Act 2003, had been made by the appellant to its employees. Whether, in order for a payment to constitute earnings for PAYE and NIC purposes, it is sufficient that the payment was "derived from" work done by a particular employee and/or it "it formed part of the employee?s employment package". Whether the powers which each employee held as protector of a subtrust had the effect that the funds in that subtrust were unreservedly at the disposal of the employee and were earnings for PAYE and NIC purposes. FactsMurray Group Management Ltd established a Principal Trust for the benefit of its employees and the employees of any group company including the appellant which entered into a deed of adherence. The appellant established a number of subtrusts for the benefit of their employees families. The appellant would pay a contribution to the Principal Trustee with a direction that a sub-trust be established and funded for a family of a particular employee. The employee was appointed protector of the subtrust, and the subtrust trustee would lend the employee money that had been advanced to the subtrust from his employer. The Commissioners for Her Majesty?s Revenue and Customs determined that these payments constituted earnings for PAYE and NIC purposes and sought to impose charges to tax. The First-tier Tribunal allowed the taxpayers appeals and held that no payment of earnings had been made. The Upper Tribunal refused the Commissioners appeal. On appeal, the Court of Session held that payments of earnings for PAYE and NIC purposes had been made by the appellant. It found that the payments made to the Principal Trustee, and in due course to the subtrusts, amounted to a re-direction of income. The Court of Session granted permission to appeal to the Supreme Court on the question of whether the payments were earnings. Judgment appealed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSD Eindhoven Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 This is their most embarrassing defeat since, oooh, about 13 hours ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungalow Bill Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 So does this have any impact on the current Rangers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34720850 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 THere are now classed as earnings, therefore Rangers gained an unfair advantage, also by conceling these dual contracts cheated every single club over a considerable period, pressure now neeeds to be applied by supporters of every club, to their own clubs, to demand title stripping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) So does this have any impact on the current Rangers?Unlikely financially however if they lose it could bring up the question of their titles etc. Saying that it would require the governing bodies to do something about it which I doubt they would. Actually thinking about it it's only newco that believe they've won previous titles anyway! Edited July 5, 2017 by Rudolf's Mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 This could be the funniest 48 hours in the history of Scottish football. I'm away to get some cans, back in a bit lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Time to strip titles and Reagan and Doncaster to get binned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 alex thomson?Verified account @alextomo 7m7 minutes ago More The governance of Scottish football under Regan and Doncaster is totally exposed by the Supreme Court. The position of both is untenable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Alex Thomson - local hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashimoto Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 So does this have any impact on the current Rangers? Probably not from a financial position. however the Rangers FC and their associates will now always be tainted and known as cheats. This club has no credibility or moral scruples despite which way our declining print media spin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 alex thomson?Verified account @alextomo 7m7 minutes agoMore The governance of Scottish football under Regan and Doncaster is totally exposed by the Supreme Court. The position of both is untenable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Probably not from a financial position. however the Rangers FC and their associates will now always be tainted and known as cheats. This club has no credibility or moral scruples despite which way our declining print media spin it. Very possible that they'll have titles/cups stripped. Happened to an Aussie rugby league team a few years back after they were found to have deliberately breached the wage cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Time to strip titles and Reagan and Doncaster to get binned. Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Good thing is, big Thommo will proper get his teeth into this now. Expect a campaign for trophies to be annulled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 What can we as a support along with the other teams do now to put pressure on Regan and Doncaster to go as well as ensure their titles are stripped? I'm sick of the pandering and corrupted playing field we are subjected to. It's now time for the fans to stand up and take our association back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 THere are now classed as earnings, therefore Rangers gained an unfair advantage, also by conceling these dual contracts cheated every single club over a considerable period, pressure now neeeds to be applied by supporters of every club, to their own clubs, to demand title stripping How do we go about doing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Looking forward to Brownbear's take on this news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Good decision Just seemed like common sense really Strange it took so long and original decisions so wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Looking forward to Brownbear's take on this news Mutant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Now that HMRC are victorious, can anyone put it in laymen's terms what will happen now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 alex thomson?Verified account @alextomo 2m2 minutes ago More The scale of Rangers' cheating: ?48m paid to 80 people over 10 years to unfairly win 14 trophies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashimoto Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 What can we as a support along with the other teams do now to put pressure on Regan and Doncaster to go as well as ensure their titles are stripped? I'm sick of the pandering and corrupted playing field we are subjected to. It's now time for the fans to stand up and take our association back IMO....The only way this can happen is if we all put aside our differences as supporters irrespective of what team you support. All fans whether Celtic, Hibs, Aberdeen, Hearts...etc need to act as one big collective for the benefit of Scottish football. All fans and clubs have been taken for mugs by the SFA for far too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Now that HMRC are victorious, can anyone put it in laymen's terms what will happen now? The knuckle draggers will change their tune from 'it wisnae illegal' to 'we wur badly advised how could the SFA let this happen?' etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hagar the Horrible Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 How do we go about doing that? To start with innondate Ann with emails, demonstrating our anger, Hopefully either the Sheep or ra Thellik will start the ball rolling, and we all should follow suit. Also now activly make it clear thier titles are no longer recognised, also we need to demand that Regan and Doncaster are removed with immediate effect? Boycott Scottish Cup fixtures, or at least turn up late in minutes by the number of titles to be stripped!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 alex thomson?Verified account @alextomo 7m7 minutes ago More The governance of Scottish football under Regan and Doncaster is totally exposed by the Supreme Court. The position of both is untenable. You would think so but this is Scottish football we are talking about. The ruling confirms cheating on a Lance Armstrong has taken place. The media will play it down, the clubs won't take a stand, fans will move on and nothing will change. The titles should have been stripped for the side letter issues but weren't. Instead we got a dodgy ruling that no sporting advantage had been gained. This was unprecedented in Scottish Football and allowed them to issue a penalty of a fine rather than the normal penalty to strip titles. My gut feeling is that this ruling will be ignored by the governing body as it is undefendable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Where is my fav poster who turns up only to tell us all off........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Looking forward to Brownbear's take on this news Brownbear just airbrushes any inconvenient facts just like the GFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Where is my fav poster who turns up only to tell us all off........... Stop being so Celtic minded and toddle back to Kerrydale Street eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) Edited July 5, 2017 by ...a bit disco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Wilder Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Best 24 hours in The Rangers history... It's time for change Get Doncaster and Reagan OOT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 I'm sure I read it somewhere this morning but someone can correct me if wrong. Am I right in thinking that the players involved wanted this result because it means HMRC goes after BDO? And had Rangers won then it would have been the players they'd have gone after? Could have it wrong way round though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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