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jimbojambo

Just out of interest are any other clubs owned by a holding company or was it just them?

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Allowayjambo1874

Just out of interest are any other clubs owned by a holding company or was it just them?

Loads of clubs, in fact it used to be most clubs, not sure if it's changed nowadays.

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jambovambo

Conclusion
[92]      For the foregoing reasons we will accordingly allow HMRC?s appeal on the first ground advanced by them.  On that basis we will answer the fourth question in the appeal in the affirmative, and hold that the First-tier Tribunal erred in allowing the original appeal and that the Upper Tribunal erred in refusing the appeal before it.  The other questions in the appeal do not therefore arise.  The assessments to PAYE have been correctly made, for the reasons already discussed.  On that basis we will recall the orders of the First-tier and Upper Tribunals and affirm the determinations appealed against, including that relating to PAYE, with the exception of the determinations and decisions concerning Sir David Murray in relation to the Bel Azur property transaction, which is conceded by HMRC.  We will reserve the question of expenses in view of the history of the appeals.

 

Um ...

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Hagar the Horrible

Case ID: UKSC 2016/0073 Case summary Issue(s)

  1. Whether the Court of Session erred in law in reversing the specialist Tribunals below and concluding that payments of "emoluments" or "earnings", for the purposes of the Income and Corporation Taxes Act 1988 and the Income Tax (Earnings and Pensions) Act 2003, had been made by the appellant to its employees.
  2. Whether, in order for a payment to constitute earnings for PAYE and NIC purposes, it is sufficient that the payment was "derived from" work done by a particular employee and/or it "it formed part of the employee?s employment package".
  3. Whether the powers which each employee held as protector of a subtrust had the effect that the funds in that subtrust were unreservedly at the disposal of the employee and were earnings for PAYE and NIC purposes.
Facts

Murray Group Management Ltd established a Principal Trust for the benefit of its employees and the employees of any group company including the appellant which entered into a deed of adherence. The appellant established a number of subtrusts for the benefit of their employees families. The appellant would pay a contribution to the Principal Trustee with a direction that a sub-trust be established and funded for a family of a particular employee. The employee was appointed protector of the subtrust, and the subtrust trustee would lend the employee money that had been advanced to the subtrust from his employer.

The Commissioners for Her Majesty?s Revenue and Customs determined that these payments constituted earnings for PAYE and NIC purposes and sought to impose charges to tax.

The First-tier Tribunal allowed the taxpayers appeals and held that no payment of earnings had been made. The Upper Tribunal refused the Commissioners appeal. On appeal, the Court of Session held that payments of earnings for PAYE and NIC purposes had been made by the appellant. It found that the payments made to the Principal Trustee, and in due course to the subtrusts, amounted to a re-direction of income.

The Court of Session granted permission to appeal to the Supreme Court on the question of whether the payments were earnings.

Judgment appealed
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Hagar the Horrible

THere are now classed as earnings, therefore Rangers gained an unfair advantage, also by conceling these dual contracts cheated every single club over a considerable period, pressure now neeeds to be applied by supporters of every club, to their own clubs, to demand title stripping

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Rudolf's Mate

So does this have any impact on the current Rangers?

Unlikely financially however if they lose it could bring up the question of their titles etc. Saying that it would require the governing bodies to do something about it which I doubt they would.

 

Actually thinking about it it's only newco that believe they've won previous titles anyway!

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Dusk_Till_Dawn

:rofl:

 

This could be the funniest 48 hours in the history of Scottish football. I'm away to get some cans, back in a bit lads.

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So does this have any impact on the current Rangers?

Probably not from a financial position. however the Rangers FC and their associates will now always be tainted and known as cheats. This club has no credibility or moral scruples despite which way our declining print media spin it. 

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Dusk_Till_Dawn

Probably not from a financial position. however the Rangers FC and their associates will now always be tainted and known as cheats. This club has no credibility or moral scruples despite which way our declining print media spin it. 

 

Very possible that they'll have titles/cups stripped. Happened to an Aussie rugby league team a few years back after they were found to have deliberately breached the wage cap.

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Dusk_Till_Dawn

Good thing is, big Thommo will proper get his teeth into this now. Expect a campaign for trophies to be annulled.

 

:pleasing:

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What can we as a support along with the other teams do now to put pressure on Regan and Doncaster to go as well as ensure their titles are stripped?

 

I'm sick of the pandering and corrupted playing field we are subjected to. It's now time for the fans to stand up and take our association back

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THere are now classed as earnings, therefore Rangers gained an unfair advantage, also by conceling these dual contracts cheated every single club over a considerable period, pressure now neeeds to be applied by supporters of every club, to their own clubs, to demand title stripping

How do we go about doing that?

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Good decision

 

Just seemed like common sense really

 

Strange it took so long and original decisions so wrong

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RustyRightPeg

Now that HMRC are victorious, can anyone put it in laymen's terms what will happen now?

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What can we as a support along with the other teams do now to put pressure on Regan and Doncaster to go as well as ensure their titles are stripped?

 

I'm sick of the pandering and corrupted playing field we are subjected to. It's now time for the fans to stand up and take our association back

IMO....The only way this can happen is if we all put aside our differences as supporters irrespective of what team you support. All fans whether Celtic, Hibs, Aberdeen, Hearts...etc need to act as one big collective for the benefit of Scottish football. All fans and clubs have been taken for mugs by the SFA for far too long.  

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The Comedian

Now that HMRC are victorious, can anyone put it in laymen's terms what will happen now?

 

The knuckle draggers will change their tune from 'it wisnae illegal' to 'we wur badly advised how could the SFA let this happen?' etc

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Hagar the Horrible

How do we go about doing that?

To start with innondate Ann with emails, demonstrating our anger,  

 

Hopefully either the Sheep or ra Thellik will start the ball rolling, and we all should follow suit.  Also now activly make it clear thier titles are no longer recognised,  also we need to demand that Regan and Doncaster are removed with immediate effect?  

 

Boycott Scottish Cup fixtures,   or at least turn up late in minutes by the number of titles to be stripped!!!!!

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Diadora Van Basten

alex thomson?Verified account @alextomo 7m7 minutes ago

 

 

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The governance of Scottish football under Regan and Doncaster is totally exposed by the Supreme Court. The position of both is untenable.

You would think so but this is Scottish football we are talking about.

 

The ruling confirms cheating on a Lance Armstrong has taken place.

 

The media will play it down, the clubs won't take a stand, fans will move on and nothing will change.

 

The titles should have been stripped for the side letter issues but weren't. Instead we got a dodgy ruling that no sporting advantage had been gained. This was unprecedented in Scottish Football and allowed them to issue a penalty of a fine rather than the normal penalty to strip titles.

 

My gut feeling is that this ruling will be ignored by the governing body as it is undefendable.

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Diadora Van Basten

Looking forward to Brownbear's take on this news

 

:alex:

Brownbear just airbrushes any inconvenient facts just like the GFA.
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...a bit disco

Where is my fav poster who turns up only to tell us all off...........

 

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Stop being so Celtic minded and toddle back to Kerrydale Street eh?

 

 

:wink:

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...a bit disco

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Van Wilder

Best 24 hours in The Rangers history...

 

It's time for change

 

Get Doncaster and Reagan OOT!

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Rudolf's Mate

I'm sure I read it somewhere this morning but someone can correct me if wrong. Am I right in thinking that the players involved wanted this result because it means HMRC goes after BDO? And had Rangers won then it would have been the players they'd have gone after?

 

Could have it wrong way round though.

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