RobNox Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Meanwhile, at Ibrox They are indeed shitting bricks. The statements from King, then Club 1872, and the article from Rangers legend Arthur Numan in the Record today all point to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) double post Edited July 10, 2017 by RobNox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnomarooned Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 A follow up comment he makes on his latest article suggests the unnamed beneficiary may be a referee... Deary deary me?.who is the EBT recipient in the black? Watch this space. Very interesting if that happens to be true. So what's the implication here? That a referee (current?) received payment from Rangers via an EBT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 So what's the implication here? That a referee (current?) received payment from Rangers via an EBT? Clearly. Though that could mean any of them apart from Willie Collum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 So what's the implication here? That a referee (current?) received payment from Rangers via an EBT? Assuming it'll be one from the EBT era. Andy Davis NAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Swanson Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Assuming it'll be one from the EBT era. Andy Davis NAP. "I'd have been bias to Rangers without an EBT" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnomarooned Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Clearly. Though that could mean any of them apart from Willie Collum I look forward to the SFA/SPFL tying themselves into knots trying to get out of this (if accurate). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) FF - could you decipher all this accounting stuff from sevco that's come out today please? I'll look out the tweet. Just back from holiday. The key event was the appointment of Henderson & Jones as a director last month. H&J specialise in buying up legal claims held by insolvent companies. They apparently bought the Sevco 5088 claim from Worthington Group when it was liquidated some months ago. Their appointment as director that the stopping of the dissolution of Sevco are almost certainly linked. The Sevco 5088 claim was Whyte's original assertion that he held a Floating Charge over the old RFC assets. The claim was then held by Law Financial Ltd (who claimed Sevco 5088 as a wholly owned subsidiary) Whyte then apparently sold on Law Financial Ltd to Worthington Group. (for ?1m, although that may have been in loan notes rather than cash) Worthington's sale of the claim onto H&J only became public knowledge last month when H&J made a ?3.5m(?) claim against the Oldco. BDO went to the Court of Session for directions as the claim would hold up the distribution of a dividend to creditors. H&J was given four weeks to provide the substance of the claim, otherwise it would be rejected by BDO. The case should come back up at the CoS shortly. As for the accounts, the ?5.7m investment in 2013 seems awfully like the ?5.75m that Sevco Scotland (Charles Green) ended up using to buy the Oldco's assets. I think the further increase of ?10m represents the ?10m value of the Sevco 5088 claim against the Oldco, given by Worthington when they took ownership of Law Financial. If you can make sense of all that then you will be doing well. Basically, I think it will be down to what happens to the H&J claim which will be key. Edited July 11, 2017 by Footballfirst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Cheers, FF - well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Cheers, FF - well done. If Newco don't own Ibrox its a headshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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doctor jambo Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 I would love to see Dave King try and wrest back Ibrox from some serious lawyers The costs would be mind blowing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 I'm lost!! It's like a magician with unturned cups and you've got the guess which one the deeds etc are under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socrates82 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Clearly. Though that could mean any of them apart from Willie Collum Always assumed it was all of them except Willie Collum. That would really put the cat amongst the pigeons. Juventus got titles stripped for referee shenanigans. No excuse for the SFA etc this time if proven true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 RTC refuted last night refs involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 RTC refuted last night refs involved. To paraphrase Mandy Rice-Davies...they would, wouldn't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 I think he means @rangerstaxcase, who is on our side ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 I think he means @rangerstaxcase, who is on our side ... Ah - one acronym too many for me So...a lino or 4th official than? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Ah - one acronym too many for me So...a lino or 4th official than? Or a former ref now doing something else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboy1982 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Or a former ref now doing something else Or Jonny cash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socrates82 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Or a former ref now doing something else Any side payment type thing to any official retired or not is hugely dodgy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 unsurprisingly, my heed is burst with all of this. Newco dont actually OWN Ibrox? Is that correct? If so, who does? Is the chat above suggesting that an EBT was paid to an SFA official by Rangers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Now, who was the referee who was caught cheating then promoted, then had his google history wiped ? nah, he was a Hobo was he not? Dougie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) Is the chat above suggesting that an EBT was paid to an SFA official by Rangers?There was the implication by one of the bloggers that a ref was a recipient. Rangers Tax Case has tweeted indicating that the list of names does not include any referees and anyone of significant interest is already known about. That said RTC indicated there is a hole in the audited accounts where money hasn't been attributed to an EBT and there is no indicator of where the money went. Edited July 11, 2017 by Mysterion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vanderlay Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 There was the implication by one of the bloggers that a ref was a recipient. Rangers Tax Case has tweeted indicating that the list of names does not include any referees and anyone of significant interest is already known about. That said RTC indicated there is a hole in the audited accounts where money hasn't been attributed to an EBT and there is no indicator of where the money went. They managed to get those documents shredded in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) They managed to get those documents shredded in time.Martin Bain asked John McClelland to shred his. Thus isn't about title stripping, its about how the **** an open and shut case that players were unregistered managed to be so and no individual not only weren't kicked out of football forever, but none were to blame. Notably David Murray, Campbell Ogilvie, Martin Bain, John McClelland, Andrew Dickson and Ian McMillan (?) Edited July 11, 2017 by DETTY29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 What was Sandy Bryson's take on registration, again? It was quite something but I don't remember the exact reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 What was Sandy Bryson's take on registration, again? It was quite something but I don't remember the exact reasoning. Not his exact wording but along the lines of 'Clubs have 14 days to lodge all paperwork at every contract change. The SFA don't know what they don't know, but accept in good faith what they have been told and as such ratify the registration. The player may be 'imperfectly registered' but they are registered to play all the same' If that's not a crock of old bull, then I don't know what is. What is probably worse is that the SPL didn't challenge the stance but then again they weren't trying to find any wrong doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vanderlay Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Not his exact wording but along the lines of 'Clubs have 14 days to lodge all paperwork at every contract change. The SFA don't know what they don't know, but accept in good faith what they have been told and as such ratify the registration. The player may be 'imperfectly registered' but they are registered to play all the same' If that's not a crock of old bull, then I don't know what is. What is probably worse is that the SPL didn't challenge the stance but then again they weren't trying to find any wrong doing. We all know what the tactics are. Downplay the whole sorry business to the point of pretending it didn't happen, muddy the waters, exercise selective myopia, and hope that Scottish football fans are as pig ignorant as the the Rangers fans. How stupid are we? Time will tell.Personally speaking, if this all gets brushed under the carpet ( and depressingly, I think it will be), I'm not stupid enough to just go along with it. There are other things that one can do on a Saturday, like read a book, or some other such Celtic-minded activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 We all know what the tactics are. Downplay the whole sorry business to the point of pretending it didn't happen, muddy the waters, exercise selective myopia, and hope that Scottish football fans are as pig ignorant as the the Rangers fans. How stupid are we? Time will tell.Personally speaking, if this all gets brushed under the carpet ( and depressingly, I think it will be), I'm not stupid enough to just go along with it. There are other things that one can do on a Saturday, like read a book, or some other such Celtic-minded activity. Of course it's going to get brushed under the carpet. Has the SPFL actually made any specific comment on the HMRC ruling yet? I mean, it's been a week. You can tell that they're planning to stick this out for as long as it takes for people to get tired of hassling them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Of course it's going to get brushed under the carpet. Has the SPFL actually made any specific comment on the HMRC ruling yet? I mean, it's been a week. You can tell that they're planning to stick this out for as long as it takes for people to get tired of hassling them The clubs should be raising hell with both the SFA and SPFL over this and yet again the heads are all firmly below the parapet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) I should have added to my comments about the Sevco 5088 accounts, with the company claiming that it had been the victim of a fraud. Edited July 12, 2017 by Footballfirst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Tell you what, if there has been a case of an official being paid off and the official in question is Andy Davis then I put forward the idea that the SFA write a 1000 word apology to Mikoliunas through the post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Tell you what, if there has been a case of an official being paid off and the official in question is Andy Davis then I put forward the idea that the SFA write a 1000 word apology to Mikoliunas through the post Wooft - you're a hard task master ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwayssunnyingorgie Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Bet it was either Hugh Dallas or Stuart Dougal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Bet it was either Hugh Dallas or Stuart Dougal Doesn't really matter who it is/was. If the story were true then UEFA needs to step in as the SFA can't be trusted to kick Rangers out of the league and strip whatever honours they cheated their way too. Can you just imagine if that were us, we'd be playing in the 4th division of the Bonnyrigg & Lasswade Sunday Pub League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john brownlee Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Doesn't really matter who it is/was. If the story were true then UEFA needs to step in as the SFA can't be trusted to kick Rangers out of the league and strip whatever honours they cheated their way too. Can you just imagine if that were us, we'd be playing in the 4th division of the Bonnyrigg & Lasswade Sunday Pub League. so true, how many years in a row did they fine us, even changing the rules to make it possible. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgeJambo Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 so true, how many years in a row did they fine us, even changing the rules to make it possible. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Do fines for bad disciplinary records still get dished out, haven't heard of any in recent years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socrates82 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Do fines for bad disciplinary records still get dished out, haven't heard of any in recent years? Not really since Romanov left when it was apparently an enormous issue. Maybe if the authorities and media had put David Murray and then Whyte and Green (and now King) under as much scrutiny as Romanov their beloved Rangers wouldn't have got into the pickle they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Not really since Romanov left when it was apparently an enormous issue. Maybe if the authorities and media had put David Murray and then Whyte and Green (and now King) under as much scrutiny as Romanov their beloved Rangers wouldn't have got into the pickle they did. So very true. The authorities were so focused on trying to shut up Romanov and punish Hearts at every opportunity, that the real villains were allowed to do what they wanted. But has anybody sat back and thought about why the Scottish Football authorities and media were falling over themselves at every turn to make an example of Romanov and Hearts, and make us appear as the big bad wolf. the boggy-man and everything else of children's nightmares. Maybe it was to make sure that Romanov and Hearts were constantly kept in the news, to make sure we were all that people talked about, because that way awkward questions weren't being asked elsewhere about their beloved Rangers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb1958 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 This horrible institution should be under public enquiry with the spfl sfa et al this is a major disgrace and not one person is going to do anything about it,the whole system is corrupt their have been crimes committed as everyone but the corrupt governing body can see ****ing shameful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Trouble't'training: https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2017/07/12/a-poundshop-mourinho/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 so true, how many years in a row did they fine us, even changing the rules to make it possible. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk This was one of the reasons I signed the petition. Screw them and their holier than thou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie2004 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) Bet it was either Hugh Dallas or Stuart DougalI believe Stuart Dougal had some ties with Oldco in redpect of brand protection matters. Not sure if it was direct or through Glasgow Trading Standards though. Edited July 12, 2017 by ollie2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
269miles Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 This horrible institution should be under public enquiry with the spfl sfa et al this is a major disgrace and not one person is going to do anything about it,the whole system is corrupt their have been crimes committed as everyone but the corrupt governing body can see ******* shameful The "Westminster" government ran out of patience with the FA and told them to get their house in order or else...... the FA reacted accordingly. It didn't like it one bit but it did what it had to do to get the govt off its back. Time for Jimmy Krankie to do the same. The corruption is staggering and the paying customer is being ripped off, pure and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alicante jambo Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Not really since Romanov left when it was apparently an enormous issue. Maybe if the authorities and media had put David Murray and then Whyte and Green (and now King) under as much scrutiny as Romanov their beloved Rangers wouldn't have got into the pickle they did. Bang on socrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnomarooned Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Wish I'd seen this last week. https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/rangers-save-face-europa-league-93rd-minute-liquidation?utm_source=m.facebook.com&utm_medium=referral Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaii Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Am I right in remembering that the SFA managed to vote in new rules so they could fine Vlad within weeks/months yet they expect folk to swallow a story that a QC told them their rules prevent them from doing anything? The same SFA that appear to go against their own rules to allow Dave King back into Sevco? Those rules aye? A totally corrupt organisation and anyone who pays money to them by buying tickets for Scotland games is just giving them carte blanche to keep on doing it. Fans need to boycott international games and starve them of funds. Seems the only way to get them to do their jobs - over to the tartan army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboz Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Wish I'd seen this last week. https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/rangers-save-face-europa-league-93rd-minute-liquidation?utm_source=m.facebook.com&utm_medium=referral Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Lol. It's good to find a bit of humour in this otherwise thoroughly depressing saga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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