Tasavallan Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 I understand the paying of a 'signing-on fee' to out of contract players is not uncommon. However, payment of the same by a club to a player's agent is. I am sure that the FIFA Regulations state that any payment to a player's agent can only be made by the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 I understand the paying of a 'signing-on fee' to out of contract players is not uncommon. However, payment of the same by a club to a player's agent is. I am sure that the FIFA Regulations state that any payment to a player's agent can only be made by the player. Correct - here is what FIFA rules on players agents says The representation contract shall explicitly state who is responsible for paying the players? agent and in what manner. Any laws applicable in the territory of the association shall be taken into account. Payment shall be made exclusively by the client of the players? agent directly to the players? agent. However, after the conclusion of the relevant transaction, the player may give his written consent for the club to pay the player?s agent on his behalf. The payment made on behalf of the player must reflect the general terms of payment agreed between the player and the player?s agent. from here http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/RulesandRegulations/~/media/Files/PDF/TheFA/FA%20Handbook%2009%2010/FIFA_Regs_Players_Agents_pg417-430.ashx/FIFA_Regs_Players_Agents_pg417-430.pdf Any Hearts fan that thinks Hearts should hand over 4 times as much money to the agent than either Buaben or Gomis would receive when there is no contractual obligation for Hearts to pay the agent anything at all needs their head examined imo (assuming this rumour is true - it's JKB so like 99% of rumours posted on here it's probably fairy tales) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rye1874 Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 I think we have shelled out more than 100k for worst players in the past. I mean did we not pay 120k or something for Balogh, and a development fee or something for Witteveen? I know the fees were not paid to agents but come on, 100k or so for two solid, very good SPL players is a very good deal even though they are out of contract. You know what your going to get from them week in week out, and saves us from spending the money on players like Diamond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 I think we have shelled out more than 100k for worst players in the past. I mean did we not pay 120k or something for Balogh, and a development fee or something for Witteveen? I know the fees were not paid to agents but come on, 100k or so for two solid, very good SPL players is a very good deal even though they are out of contract. You know what your going to get from them week in week out, and saves us from spending the money on players like Diamond. The players have allegedly agreed to take ?25K each to sign on - IF their agent wants ?100K then he has to get that from Buaben and Gomis themselves - that is the rules - players compensate their agents not football clubs (at least not directly) - Buaben and Gomis should be asking for a signing on fee that allows them to pay their agent his demands. Hearts don't owe the agent anything - so if the 2 players have agreed to sign on for ?50K combined and it's them who pays the agent why should Hearts pony up another ?100K ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Sifter Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Every time I see this thread bumped up I think there might be some actual transfer news. Silly me....it's still people arguing about this 100k! Can the mods please rename this thread "Deal or No Deal?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Every time I see this thread bumped up I think there might be some actual transfer news. Silly me....it's still people arguing about this 100k! Can the mods please rename this thread "Deal or No Deal?". I agree, can that chat about agents move to another thread as it is now boring as the arguments are being repeated and this thread is for rumours which are more interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 The players have allegedly agreed to take ?25K each to sign on - IF their agent wants ?100K then he has to get that from Buaben and Gomis themselves - that is the rules - players compensate their agents not football clubs (at least not directly) - Buaben and Gomis should be asking for a signing on fee that allows them to pay their agent his demands. Hearts don't owe the agent anything - so if the 2 players have agreed to sign on for ?50K combined and it's them who pays the agent why should Hearts pony up another ?100K ? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1334481/Premier-League-clubs-reduce-spending-agents-fees-3m--figure-tops-67m.html If thats the rules someone forgot to tell the EPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1334481/Premier-League-clubs-reduce-spending-agents-fees-3m--figure-tops-67m.html If thats the rules someone forgot to tell the EPL. I assume the English Premier League are governed by the Footballl Association whose handbook I quoted regarding the rules on agents http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/RulesandRegulations/~/media/Files/PDF/TheFA/FA%20Handbook%2009%2010/FIFA_Regs_Players_Agents_pg417-430.ashx/FIFA_Regs_Players_Agents_pg417-430.pdf IF English clubs flaunt their own rules that's their business maybe Gomis & Buaben's agent should try his luck fleecing clubs down there? Hearts shouldn't pay the agent ?100K when the players are only getting a fraction of that (allegedly) and the club are under no obligation to pay him anything ........ anyway IF it wasn't a problem or an issue Hearts would have simply paid it and the players would be here now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 I assume the English Premier League are governed by the Footballl Association whose handbook I quoted regarding the rules on agents http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/RulesandRegulations/~/media/Files/PDF/TheFA/FA%20Handbook%2009%2010/FIFA_Regs_Players_Agents_pg417-430.ashx/FIFA_Regs_Players_Agents_pg417-430.pdf IF English clubs flaunt their own rules that's their business maybe Gomis & Buaben's agent should try his luck fleecing clubs down there? Hearts shouldn't pay the agent ?100K when the players are only getting a fraction of that (allegedly) and the club are under no obligation to pay him anything ........ anyway IF it wasn't a problem or an issue Hearts would have simply paid it and the players would be here now. I'd pay the cash to get the players. The End. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Skacel's agent from todays EEN "Hearts said they do not want to negotiate with many agents because they do not want to have to pay them" http://www.scotsman.com/heartofmidlothianfc/Skacel-agent-urges-Hearts-to.6781036.jp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 I assume the English Premier League are governed by the Footballl Association whose handbook I quoted regarding the rules on agents http://www.thefa.com...s_pg417-430.pdf IF English clubs flaunt their own rules that's their business maybe Gomis & Buaben's agent should try his luck fleecing clubs down there? Hearts shouldn't pay the agent ?100K when the players are only getting a fraction of that (allegedly) and the club are under no obligation to pay him anything ........ anyway IF it wasn't a problem or an issue Hearts would have simply paid it and the players would be here now. Maybe they're awaiting JJ's return from holiday. Personally, I can see both sides of the arguement, but I'd be gutted if we missed out on 2 very good SPL players, who are better than what he have, because we wouldn't pay a measly 100k for the 2 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Maybe they're awaiting JJ's return from holiday. Personally, I can see both sides of the arguement, but I'd be gutted if we missed out on 2 very good SPL players, who are better than what he have, because we wouldn't pay a measly 100k for the 2 of them. 100K is not measly or to be sniffed at in the current SPL financial climate - some players only earn half that amount per year, clubs like St Mirren have been reported as offered players ?500 a week contracts for next season, apart from the perhaps Celtic i don't think anybody in the SPL is in a position to GIFT an agent ?100K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Right guys, I have set up a thread for you to continue this argument so can you move it to there, just so we can keep this for rumours http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/94012-is-it-right-to-pay-an-agent-a-seperate-fee/page__pid__2256261#entry2256261 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 100K is not measly or to be sniffed at in the current SPL financial climate - some players only earn half that amount per year, clubs like St Mirren have been reported as offered players ?500 a week contracts for next season, apart from the perhaps Celtic i don't think anybody in the SPL is in a position to GIFT an agent ?100K. It is less than half what we were willing to pay Kilmarnock for Craig Bryson last year, we'd be getting 2 players for this fee. Personally I have no problem with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 100K is not measly or to be sniffed at in the current SPL financial climate - some players only earn half that amount per year, clubs like St Mirren have been reported as offered players ?500 a week contracts for next season, apart from the perhaps Celtic i don't think anybody in the SPL is in a position to GIFT an agent ?100K. We are not St Mirren. We do not pay ?500 p/w contracts. Even if the money is grudged (which of course it is) it doesn't mean it wouldn't be money well spent if it secures the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 We are not St Mirren. We do not pay ?500 p/w contracts. Even if the money is grudged (which of course it is) it doesn't mean it wouldn't be money well spent if it secures the players. We don't have to pay it, we won't pay it or anything like that amount, it's a game of chicken and the agent hopes we bottle it and pay up. I still think one or other player might still sign but if they get better offers from England then they will go there instead if that's what motivates them. If they sign or don't sign it won't make or break our summer - there are plenty other players available who won't have agents trying to 'sting' us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 We don't have to pay it, we won't pay it or anything like that amount, it's a game of chicken and the agent hopes we bottle it and pay up. I still think one or other player might still sign but if they get better offers from England then they will go there instead if that's what motivates them. If they sign or don't sign it won't make or break our summer - there are plenty other players available who won't have agents trying to 'sting' us. We do have to - if we want these players. And these players appear to me to be the best option for us sorting our rather important midfield issue. We could go elsewhere and sign lesser quality and save ourself a couple of bucks but get very little out of the signings - like we've done on numerous occassions. There are no certainties in football that transfers will work out - but the risk factor involved with these two seems very small. ?150k is worth it on this occassion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_R Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Now I'm not ITK but long story short is I heard through the grapevine that we are after a player: Think the name was 'Perrol' and I'm led to believe he is a spanish defender. Thats what it sounded like anyway. May have a different spelling if true? I googled it and I can't find anything so was reluctant to post but thought I'd through it out hear incase anyone had heard similiar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Now I'm not ITK but long story short is I heard through the grapevine that we are after a player: Think the name was 'Perrol' and I'm led to believe he is a spanish defender. Thats what it sounded like anyway. May have a different spelling if true? I googled it and I can't find anything so was reluctant to post but thought I'd through it out hear incase anyone had heard similiar? Perrol....could be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 We do have to - if we want these players. And these players appear to me to be the best option for us sorting our rather important midfield issue. We could go elsewhere and sign lesser quality and save ourself a couple of bucks but get very little out of the signings - like we've done on numerous occassions. There are no certainties in football that transfers will work out - but the risk factor involved with these two seems very small. ?150k is worth it on this occassion. Football agents would love negotiating with you - anytime they thought you fancied a player they'd reckon you'd easily cave in and pony up whatever they demanded even if that was several times more than you'd agreed to pay their clients (allegedly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Now I'm not ITK but long story short is I heard through the grapevine that we are after a player: Think the name was 'Perrol' and I'm led to believe he is a spanish defender. Thats what it sounded like anyway. May have a different spelling if true? I googled it and I can't find anything so was reluctant to post but thought I'd through it out hear incase anyone had heard similiar? Probably Puyol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambosr1985 Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Am sure the club pays the agent 99% sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_R Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Probably Puyol! We can but dream! I heard it pernounced more like 'Pearl' but the rumour could be bollocks, I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam1998 Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 We can but dream! I heard it pernounced more like 'Pearl' but the rumour could be bollocks, I dunno. My kids love Pokemon and we will have potentially 'Diamond' and 'Pearl' as our back two defenders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraggle Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Right guys, I have set up a thread for you to continue this argument so can you move it to there, just so we can keep this for rumours http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/94012-is-it-right-to-pay-an-agent-a-seperate-fee/page__pid__2256261#entry2256261 No one seems to be paying attention dude!! Back on track though, someone had suggested to me that we will officially drop our interest in Diamond within the next week or so and go for someone else. How much of this is guess work or hear say I dont know? But it might tie in with things others have heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say What Again Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 My kids love Pokemon and we will have potentially 'Diamond' and 'Pearl' as our back two defenders Maybe a sign the Bauben is coming then? :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyk Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Now I'm not ITK but long story short is I heard through the grapevine that we are after a player: Think the name was 'Perrol' and I'm led to believe he is a spanish defender. Thats what it sounded like anyway. May have a different spelling if true? I googled it and I can't find anything so was reluctant to post but thought I'd through it out hear incase anyone had heard similiar? This is the only player I could find with a similar name - but he is not a defender. he does, however, fit with our trend of being linked to midfielders! My link It goes on to say, however, that he is leaving Olympiakos in Jun to join Ernesto Valverde squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo On Fire Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 This is the only player I could find with a similar name - but he is not a defender. he does, however, fit with our trend of being linked to midfielders! My link It goes on to say, however, that he is leaving Olympiakos in Jun to join Ernesto Valverde squad. This guys also played for Ruben's previous team. The link may be tedious but a link none the less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo Ell Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 There is a club in Spain called Ferrol, could it possibly have been a defender from them? Now I'm not ITK but long story short is I heard through the grapevine that we are after a player: Think the name was 'Perrol' and I'm led to believe he is a spanish defender. Thats what it sounded like anyway. May have a different spelling if true? I googled it and I can't find anything so was reluctant to post but thought I'd through it out hear incase anyone had heard similiar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo Ell Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 There is a club in Spain called Ferrol, could it possibly have been a defender from them? Edit: just looked at them on wikipedia and two former famous players for them are Nacho Novo and Jonay Hernandez. Now I'm not ITK but long story short is I heard through the grapevine that we are after a player: Think the name was 'Perrol' and I'm led to believe he is a spanish defender. Thats what it sounded like anyway. May have a different spelling if true? I googled it and I can't find anything so was reluctant to post but thought I'd through it out hear incase anyone had heard similiar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Diamond and Pearls. I'd be happy with that pairing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut The Crap Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 This is the only player I could find with a similar name - but he is not a defender. he does, however, fit with our trend of being linked to midfielders! My link It goes on to say, however, that he is leaving Olympiakos in Jun to join Ernesto Valverde squad. A winger! That would be handy. We're short of wingers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTBCAL Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Diamond and Pearls. I'd be happy with that pairing. Cross Dresser post alert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerjambo Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 My cousins got a hamster called Errol, could it be him? (he's Siberian, which sounds like Iberian). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Cross Dresser post alert You love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say What Again Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 My cousins got a hamster called Errol, could it be him? (he's Siberian, which sounds like Iberian). "Siberian Errol, you know you came and changed mt world" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm2BsOnAYcM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonjambo Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 My cousins got a hamster called Errol, could it be him? (he's Siberian, which sounds like Iberian). Its not a Siberian hamster, Manuel, its a rat GC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_R Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 This is the only player I could find with a similar name - but he is not a defender. he does, however, fit with our trend of being linked to midfielders! My link It goes on to say, however, that he is leaving Olympiakos in Jun to join Ernesto Valverde squad. Could be someone with same surname? Having young daughters and wife in spain etc doesn't really fit the bill. The olmpiakos bit makes me think he is at least running down a contract though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerjambo Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Its not a Siberian hamster, Manuel, its a rat GC Oh jings, cant be him then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gowestjambo Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 My cousins got a hamster called Errol, could it be him? (he's Siberian, which sounds like Iberian). Would make life interesting if we sign Flynn........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 My cousins got a hamster called Errol, could it be him? (he's Siberian, which sounds like Iberian). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Wiseau Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Diamond and Pearls. I'd be happy with that pairing. GREAT STUFF DH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 This is the only player I could find with a similar name - but he is not a defender. he does, however, fit with our trend of being linked to midfielders! My link It goes on to say, however, that he is leaving Olympiakos in Jun to join Ernesto Valverde squad. Actually, he's going to join Olympiakos in June, to be part of Ernesto Valverde's (the current Olympiakos manager) squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Errol's a winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Errol's a winger. Correct Boof. Winging wongs such as You Sexy Thing & No Doubt About It made Errol the winging superstar we came to know and love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Huddersfield interested in Flynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 My mate's granny reckons she saw Nade at Riccarton yesterday morning. Her eyesight's not brilliant though and it might have been Gary Mackay. She's not certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut The Crap Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Errol's a winger. ...he wings wongs while he plays the piano in a night club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horatio Caine Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Errol's a winger. And Pearl's a singer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndawgylt Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 My mate's granny reckons she saw Nade at Riccarton yesterday morning. Her eyesight's not brilliant though and it might have been Gary Mackay. She's not certain. Sauce? Or was it gravy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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