Ryan Gosling Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Mharian Khello GTF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Roberto Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Why is anybody surprised when a player is tapped by Celtic that this causes a contractual issue? FWIW - I understand the original problem was an injury, but that he has been fit for a couple of weeks. I know JJ and he wouldn't lie. He might not tell you everything (although he usually alarmingly does!) but he won't lie. We have been here before, sometimes a player's head is turned back to Hearts, sometimes it's not. You aren't going to keep a player who wants to move on that badly, so why wouldn't you use the other players that he has been keeping out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartbeat Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 did we sign a Goalie from Stenhousemuir??? I cant recall it but I am told we did, Ritchie?? (dont even know if thats a first or second name) but told he has been looking good. Anyone heard of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Roberto Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Wanted Balogh back on Saturday anyway. JM hasn't impressed at all since he returned to the side and he should have done better with both goals at ER imo. He stopped virtually every ball in the warm up on Saturday - well those that weren't pinging their way over his head and into the stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Okay, just dropping in quickly with news from today's pre-match presser. JJ says Kello is not available for selection due to a personal issue and the decision was taken mutually not to play him. He will remain out of contention until this issue is resolved. In other news JJ is very happy with his budget for next season (says in fact he would have been happy with half of what he's getting) and refused to comment on Rooney and Sutton links. Don't have quotes yet. :whistling: + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Mutual - as in Romanov says so and to keep the peace with Vlad I've let him do it. So JJ has already lied once to cover the tracks regarding an injury to Kello when all along it has been a "personal" issue. Great stuff. Er, not necessarily. Slow up with the JJ accusations a bit! It's also entirely possible that when originally asked, Kello was experiencing back problems hence his absence....it would seem that things have now changed, hence the new explanation. If I'm giving anyone in this scenario the benefit of the doubt, JJ is most definitely top of that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Okay, just dropping in quickly with news from today's pre-match presser. JJ says Kello is not available for selection due to a personal issue and the decision was taken mutually not to play him. He will remain out of contention until this issue is resolved. In other news JJ is very happy with his budget for next season (says in fact he would have been happy with half of what he's getting) and refused to comment on Rooney and Sutton links. Don't have quotes yet. I've heard a reason for this which maybe others have alluded to. In the highly unlikely event that it's true, it's quite scandalous. Either way we are missing our best keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casper Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 I can't believe some of the talk on here about Kello being worth big money. He's a competent maybe just above average keeper. There are probably dozens of similar quality keepers playing in europe and in these Bosman days I can't see any club paying much for him if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Bapswent Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 :whistling: + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 I've heard a reason for this which maybe others have alluded to. In the highly unlikely event that it's true, it's quite scandalous. Spill it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.J Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Spill it I hope it involves mobile phones, boabies, and the local nursery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Crane Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 FFS I hate to think what some of you would have been like in the 1940s after hearing a Lord Haw-Haw broadcast on the radio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Seems pretty clear that this is a contractual problem, I'm not going to come down on the side of Kello, Vlad or JJ on this as I don't know the details of any offer that has been made. What I will say though is that I hope an agreement can be reached as I think Marian has had an outstanding season. I am also happy that there is an effort to sort this out now rather than it distrupting the start to the next campaign. Regarding Jamie Mac I don't think he is as bad as other posters have made out, I can remember several good saves that he has made in recent weeks and the second goal against Hibs is the only glaring error that springs to mind. Kello is without doubt the best keeper at the club and I hope an agreement can be reached, but if we are to build a team to challenge the OF letting players run down thier contracts and leave for nothing doesn't benefit the club. How did this sensible and rational post manage to get past the "react first, think later" police ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coburg Hearts Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 FFS I hate to think what some of you would have been like in the 1940s after hearing a Lord Haw-Haw broadcast on the radio Spot on. I'd hate to have been in the trenches with some of the roasters on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 folk still chucking their pants up in the air about a club policy that everyone knows exists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 I hope it involves mobile phones, boabies, and the local nursery. Poor taste tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 These two posts illustrate the dichotomy There must be an easier way to make a deal with a player than benching him until he signs? If he is fecking off to Celtic then they win twice using this method...we drop points and they get him cheaper as his current contract runs out. He has had a good season, its pretty obvious other teams will want to buy and he won't be finishing his career here. Play him, pay him and then get as much as you can for him. Don't feck the team on a strop. If Zal hadn't been dropped he'd have been away in January for nowt. Students of game theory should recognise this as being similar to the "Bach or Stravinsky" problem with imperfect information and repeated plays Das Root's suggestion is to look for the best "worst case scenario", We get more games out of Kello even though he leaves on a free Andrew points out that in the Zaliukas situation Vlad held out for the best case scenario (A new contract )and got it although he risked getting the "worst worst case scenario" (Zal missing those games and still not singing) if the player had held out for their best case scenario A protracted run in their team allowing them to boost their value and then a lucrative transfer on the back of it" There is a risk of taking a tough stance in negotiations (you risk cutting of your nose to spite your face) but there is also a risk in settling for what you know you can get. In the Zaliukas case Vlad's stratege apperaed to have paid off (although we'll never know if the contract could have been secured by other tactics) . It appears to have paid off in several cases It's also failed a sometimes resulting in both sides being worse off when the player has held out for the best best case scenario. However while playing hardball and failing may seem like a loss in the short term it may pay off in the future. By accepting an outcome to the game that pleases nobody today you signal to the next opponent that if you adopt these tactics you're not bluffing. The other major complication is that neither player knows the details of the other players hand. It's reasonable to assume that Kello has a load of interested clubs and that some of them will be richer than Hearts but Hearts can't know how many or how rich. We do, on the other hand ,know that Hearts position has become stronger. With 3rd place all but sewn up the need for Kello's services is less pressing. JJ might have been tempted to give the understudy a run in the team even if Kello was available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo191 Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 My link Hobos.net, or should I say deluded.net, seem to think they could 'steal' him for 200k Muppets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.J Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Poor taste tbh. I'm a poor taste kinda guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syndicalist Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 People supporting everything that tyrant does need to pull their head out their arse. If Romanov was in charge elsewhere we'd all be ripping him and them to shreads. Guys a nutter and an embarrassment to Hearts. Could have been worse, he could have bought Torres. Seriously though, embarrassment? Don't think so. He's done some bad things, done some good things. That's who we've got. I'm not embarrassed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 What annoys me is why we cannot wait until the end of the season to resolve this -- he is still under contract for another year and I doubt the price (if we sell) will vary much just by signing say another 2 year extension. If he refuses to sign in the summer then of course put him up for sale -- no qualms about that policy for all players at the club -- we have been burnt in the past with players like Ritchie, Johnston etc. There are times where we do shot ourselves in the foot with our esteemed leaders policies -- this has to be balanced against the good things he brings and has brought. Timing of negotiations is important and in this we are sadly lacking at times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 If it is solely down to the contract issue, then I have supported this before, so I would be wrong to say I do not just because it is Kello, though it would be dissappointing as he is by far our best keeper, though I too do not think McDonald is that bad. If it is down to that I do not see how he can play given this has been our stance for years. I would be very concerned if it there was more too it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 I'm a poor taste kinda guy. No remorse. Like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 My link Hobos.net, or should I say deluded.net, seem to think they could 'steal' him for 200k Muppets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Could have been worse, he could have bought Torres. Seriously though, embarrassment? Don't think so. He's done some bad things, done some good things. That's who we've got. I'm not embarrassed. Far too sensible a post for KB - don't you know we're only one Sun article away from mass hysteria on here!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 My link Hobos.net, or should I say deluded.net, seem to think they could 'steal' him for 200k Muppets. JJ said it was personal issues, no Mental Health issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 cheers for the updates borthers. well, its not a contract issue then. anyone care to break liable law and state why it is marian isnt 'in the right frame of mind'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 This is the one area where I am a bitunreasonable really... Anyone playing for Hearts who ends up at either of those two teams? Farkin end up hating them if they go there directly... See if we do not get gazillions in exchange for them? It then goes beyond hatred. Unreasonable I know but... Why not just sign a deal to make sure that the club that gave you the platform to excel is not raped by a disgusting institution like Like Celtic or Rangers? If they cannot afford to pay a fair price then feck them. Would hate to add Kello to the list of former players that put the OF before their current club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 As promised: "It's a private matter. About a week after he was out after his back spasm there was a report on something which I discussed with Marian and have done two or three times a week (since). "When this was brought to our attention I asked him what he thought. "In the circumstances we decided it would be better if we got it cleared up. Hopefully that will be soon and when it is he'll be back in the team. "If that sort of thing is on his mind he wouldn't be in the right frame of mind. "It's nothing to do with the Zaliukas situation at all. "It's something private, internal. It doesn't matter what anybody else says. "Marian and I have discussed it and it's a decision we both came to." JJ also said that Kello has his "full support" and he hopes he'll be back in contention soon. MAD BORTHERS GFT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.J Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 As promised: "It's a private matter. About a week after he was out after his back spasm there was a report on something which I discussed with Marian and have done two or three times a week (since). "When this was brought to our attention I asked him what he thought. "In the circumstances we decided it would be better if we got it cleared up. Hopefully that will be soon and when it is he'll be back in the team. "If that sort of thing is on his mind he wouldn't be in the right frame of mind. "It's nothing to do with the Zaliukas situation at all. "It's something private, internal. It doesn't matter what anybody else says. "Marian and I have discussed it and it's a decision we both came to." JJ also said that Kello has his "full support" and he hopes he'll be back in contention soon. Sore yin for the JKB foamer crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 As promised: "It's a private matter. About a week after he was out after his back spasm there was a report on something which I discussed with Marian and have done two or three times a week (since). "When this was brought to our attention I asked him what he thought. "In the circumstances we decided it would be better if we got it cleared up. Hopefully that will be soon and when it is he'll be back in the team. "If that sort of thing is on his mind he wouldn't be in the right frame of mind. "It's nothing to do with the Zaliukas situation at all. "It's something private, internal. It doesn't matter what anybody else says. "Marian and I have discussed it and it's a decision we both came to." JJ also said that Kello has his "full support" and he hopes he'll be back in contention soon. That doesn't sound anything like a contract problem IMO. Hope whatever it is isn't serious and he's back ASAP. I've got a funny feeling that the one's who were quick with the GTF Vlad pish will be fairly quiet now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 I would suspect the reason he hasnt signed would be 1. he wants more money than hearts can pay him.. 2. he wants to move to a bigger club / league.. for the muppets on hobos.net... that kinda rules you out dont you think... thickos... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 As promised: "It's a private matter. About a week after he was out after his back spasm there was a report on something which I discussed with Marian and have done two or three times a week (since). "When this was brought to our attention I asked him what he thought. "In the circumstances we decided it would be better if we got it cleared up. Hopefully that will be soon and when it is he'll be back in the team. "If that sort of thing is on his mind he wouldn't be in the right frame of mind. "It's nothing to do with the Zaliukas situation at all. "It's something private, internal. It doesn't matter what anybody else says. "Marian and I have discussed it and it's a decision we both came to." JJ also said that Kello has his "full support" and he hopes he'll be back in contention soon. good. some credible info. looks like the madfud dribbles were premature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 These two posts illustrate the dichotomy Students of game theory should recognise this as being similar to the "Bach or Stravinsky" problem with imperfect information and repeated plays Das Root's suggestion is to look for the best "worst case scenario", We get more games out of Kello even though he leaves on a free Andrew points out that in the Zaliukas situation Vlad held out for the best case scenario (A new contract )and got it although he risked getting the "worst worst case scenario" (Zal missing those games and still not singing) if the player had held out for their best case scenario A protracted run in their team allowing them to boost their value and then a lucrative transfer on the back of it" There is a risk of taking a tough stance in negotiations (you risk cutting of your nose to spite your face) but there is also a risk in settling for what you know you can get. In the Zaliukas case Vlad's stratege apperaed to have paid off (although we'll never know if the contract could have been secured by other tactics) . It appears to have paid off in several cases It's also failed a sometimes resulting in both sides being worse off when the player has held out for the best best case scenario. However while playing hardball and failing may seem like a loss in the short term it may pay off in the future. By accepting an outcome to the game that pleases nobody today you signal to the next opponent that if you adopt these tactics you're not bluffing. The other major complication is that neither player knows the details of the other players hand. It's reasonable to assume that Kello has a load of interested clubs and that some of them will be richer than Hearts but Hearts can't know how many or how rich. We do, on the other hand ,know that Hearts position has become stronger. With 3rd place all but sewn up the need for Kello's services is less pressing. JJ might have been tempted to give the understudy a run in the team even if Kello was available. Very eloquently put my good man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Sorry Borthers, just read your update. Good man giving us some info. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 As promised: "It's a private matter. About a week after he was out after his back spasm there was a report on something which I discussed with Marian and have done two or three times a week (since). "When this was brought to our attention I asked him what he thought. "In the circumstances we decided it would be better if we got it cleared up. Hopefully that will be soon and when it is he'll be back in the team. "If that sort of thing is on his mind he wouldn't be in the right frame of mind. "It's nothing to do with the Zaliukas situation at all. "It's something private, internal. It doesn't matter what anybody else says. "Marian and I have discussed it and it's a decision we both came to." JJ also said that Kello has his "full support" and he hopes he'll be back in contention soon. Sounds like he's been dipping some dirty from down Leith way!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.J Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 I've got a funny feeling that the one's who were quick with the GTF Vlad pish will be fairly quiet now. If only. Empty vessels make the most noise and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 "It's something private, internal. It doesn't matter what anybody else says. "Marian and I have discussed it and it's a decision we both came to." JJ also said that Kello has his "full support" and he hopes he'll be back in contention soon. If its a personal issue we should be giving Kello 100% backing also what ever it is (as long as he has not broke the law ). He is IMO our player of the season . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say What Again Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Cheers Borthers. IJ, good effort being 'over and out' on this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-Dizzle Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Right, so can people stop attacking our players/owner every time some shit gets published in the rags? How about a little skepticism in future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts of Vladland Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 My link Hobos.net, or should I say deluded.net, seem to think they could 'steal' him for 200k Muppets. They probably couldn't pay a third of his current wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 If its a personal issue we should be giving Kello 100% backing also what ever it is (as long as he has not broke the law ). He is IMO our player of the season . I would back Kello if he broke the law. F the Police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Shore Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 As promised: "It's a private matter. About a week after he was out after his back spasm there was a report on something which I discussed with Marian and have done two or three times a week (since). "When this was brought to our attention I asked him what he thought. "In the circumstances we decided it would be better if we got it cleared up. Hopefully that will be soon and when it is he'll be back in the team. "If that sort of thing is on his mind he wouldn't be in the right frame of mind. "It's nothing to do with the Zaliukas situation at all. "It's something private, internal. It doesn't matter what anybody else says. "Marian and I have discussed it and it's a decision we both came to." JJ also said that Kello has his "full support" and he hopes he'll be back in contention soon. Nice one chief Nae luck, raspers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 khello. :stare: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moriarty Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Surely a mistake here Drylaw Hearts told me it was true and that he isnt an attention seeker. GIRUY DRYLAW HEARTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.J Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Cheers Borthers. IJ, good effort being 'over and out' on this thread Can't help it man. I just ADORE ramming it right up the anti-Mr Romanov element on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 I could post the details but would it actually be proof or something I've made up ??? FWIW........ I sent a pm to someone on here earlier in the week telling him this story. P.S I don't seek attention or I would have posted the story rather than send a pm to someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad-Stupid Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 MADFUD OUT Brigade- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 :yas: :yas: Another sore one to take for the MALD VALDS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad-Stupid Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Add to the list of The Sun and all those that read it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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