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Bigsmak
2 hours ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

 

I'm a member at one of the "rival" courses haha.

 

Which one

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Samuel Camazzola
3 hours ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

 

Don't think they've ever had any help from St Andrew's Trust. I know a lot of their greenkeepers and a few of the higher ups.

 

Just spoke to a guy who had a membership at Glenrothes. He confirmed the Links Trust helped out about four years ago. It seemed to be a combination of using their machinery and manpower to improve the course condition. 

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hmfc_liam06
17 hours ago, Bigsmak said:

 

Which one

 

I'm at Lochgelly. Good wee club, plenty midweek medals as well for the after work club.

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Playing Pumpherston today,the course is in need of some rain.

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Tommy Brown
48 minutes ago, weegranty said:

Playing Pumpherston today,the course is in need of some rain.

 

six of us from Pumphy booked for Broomieknowe Seniors this afternoon

 

Cancelled to flooded greens :omg:

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hmfc_liam06
3 hours ago, Tommy Brown said:

 

six of us from Pumphy booked for Broomieknowe Seniors this afternoon

 

Cancelled to flooded greens :omg:

 

It's so dry that any bit of rain will cause flooding. We got caught in it last Tuesday and the course was covered in standing water.

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Victorian

7 months without swinging a club.  7 holes practice.  Straight into a medal.  80 less 7 with a good few shots frittered around the greens.

 

As someone at the club said though,  when you're not played,  you're not practicing bad habits.  The trick is to keep them from returning.  

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12 hours ago, Victorian said:

7 months without swinging a club.  7 holes practice.  Straight into a medal.  80 less 7 with a good few shots frittered around the greens.

 

As someone at the club said though,  when you're not played,  you're not practicing bad habits.  The trick is to keep them from returning.  

Had not played for a few months, the 1st and 2nd holes at carrick-knowe hit the longest straightest drives , could not believe it, sometimes a break helps.

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No Idle Talk

Going for my first round of golf in about 25 years on Thursday. Should be interesting......

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merrymac

Getting harder to win the monthly medal these days.

I would only have needed to shoot a scratch 40😨😂

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Samuel Camazzola
1 hour ago, merrymac said:

Getting harder to win the monthly medal these days.

I would only have needed to shoot a scratch 40😨😂

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Was Alexander G Watson's round a steady one when you expand his card or were there any rogue 8s or 9s in there to show it could have been lower? 

 

John Collins Snr must have thought he had that in the bag. 😂

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merrymac
15 minutes ago, Samuel Camazzola said:

Was Alexander G Watson's round a steady one when you expand his card or were there any rogue 8s or 9s in there to show it could have been lower? 

 

John Collins Snr must have thought he had that in the bag. 😂

Sorry SC don’t know was just sent a screen shot by one of my mates who plays there

think he might get. cut a couple of shots 😂😂

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Samuel Camazzola
10 minutes ago, merrymac said:

Sorry SC don’t know was just sent a screen shot by one of my mates who plays there

think he might get. cut a couple of shots 😂😂

I think he may move up a division! 😂 

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merrymac
16 minutes ago, Samuel Camazzola said:

I think he may move up a division! 😂 

The guy off 17 is giving away 37 shots !!!

 

now he knows how it feels 😂😂😂😂

I am sure they will be glad to be rid of him from Div 3

Think the most I have ever given away is 26

childs play compared to that 😃😃

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Samuel Camazzola
6 hours ago, merrymac said:

The guy off 17 is giving away 37 shots !!!

 

now he knows how it feels 😂😂😂😂

I am sure they will be glad to be rid of him from Div 3

Think the most I have ever given away is 26

childs play compared to that 😃😃

Keep in mind that playing off 54 includes the 95% adjustment for a stroke play playing handicap! 😂 

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Samuel Camazzola
6 hours ago, merrymac said:

Sorry SC don’t know was just sent a screen shot by one of my mates who plays there

think he might get. cut a couple of shots 😂😂

Found the scorecard. Only one 7. Four pars but mainly 5s and 6s. Will be interesting to see if the handicap applied is an error or what was submitted to be given one so high. 

 

HDID still displaying a 54 handicap so assuming it may require a manual adjustment as the algorithm is busted! 😂 

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Section N Rules

Personally think the handicap system is stupid. I don't play in medals so don't hand in cards to get a handicap, just play for fun with my mates. I have an unofficial handicap of 20 from the app I use but I really do think it's a lot of shite. If I shoot a 94 then to me it's 94, i don't care what my net score is, i shouldn't be rewarded for being pretty shite at the game.

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Samuel Camazzola
1 hour ago, Section N Rules said:

Personally think the handicap system is stupid. I don't play in medals so don't hand in cards to get a handicap, just play for fun with my mates. I have an unofficial handicap of 20 from the app I use but I really do think it's a lot of shite. If I shoot a 94 then to me it's 94, i don't care what my net score is, i shouldn't be rewarded for being pretty shite at the game.

I think it's a fairer way than the previous system but some tweaks need to be applied. 

 

There will be instances where players do not take part in stroke play events which would contribute to more accurate handicap adjustments. However these players actively participate in scrambles and matchplay comps with their inflated handicaps. A return of a minimum of three scores should be required for the handicap to remain 'active' to allow participation in these events. General play events are recognised as qualifying scores therefore there should be no issues in submitting these for the players who want to take part in competitive play. 

 

It's good that you get out and can enjoy your bounce games. The new system will have no bearing on you but keep in mind if you look to play away at some courses, there's a small chance you may be asked to produce a handicap certificate. It seems silly but I have seen it mentioned on some booking conditions. 

 

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Juan Jose Carricondo Perez

Think it might take a few months for handicaps to settle in the new system. Not every player will have a recent set of 20 cards. 
Been a nightmare for me as a new member due to my club not being able to correctly enter my scores on the system. It did mean a win at the weekends medal though so not complaining too much.
Got cut by 5 shots the next day 😂

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2 hours ago, Juan Jose Carricondo Perez said:

Think it might take a few months for handicaps to settle in the new system. Not every player will have a recent set of 20 cards. 
Been a nightmare for me as a new member due to my club not being able to correctly enter my scores on the system. It did mean a win at the weekends medal though so not complaining too much.
Got cut by 5 shots the next day 😂

 

Here's how it works for anyone with less than 20. Which is why it'll wildly fluctuate.

 

3 scores: lowest score -2

4 scores: lowest score -1

5 scores: lowest score

6 scores: average of lowest 2 scores -1

7 to 8 scores: average of lowest 2 scores

9 to 11 scores: average of lowest 3 scores

12 to 14 scores: average of lowest 4 scores

15 to 16 scores: average of lowest 5 scores

17 to 18 scores: average of lowest 6 scores

19 scores: average of lowest 7 scores

20 scores: average of lowest 8 scores

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Juan Jose Carricondo Perez
25 minutes ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

 

Here's how it works for anyone with less than 20. Which is why it'll wildly fluctuate.

 

3 scores: lowest score -2

4 scores: lowest score -1

5 scores: lowest score

6 scores: average of lowest 2 scores -1

7 to 8 scores: average of lowest 2 scores

9 to 11 scores: average of lowest 3 scores

12 to 14 scores: average of lowest 4 scores

15 to 16 scores: average of lowest 5 scores

17 to 18 scores: average of lowest 6 scores

19 scores: average of lowest 7 scores

20 scores: average of lowest 8 scores

Cheers for this. Good to know 

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Bigsmak

The handicapping system makes golf the only sport where an 18 year old male can have a fair game against a 65 year old woman. 

 

It's a work of genius and should be appreciated for what it is. It makes the game even and anything can happen.. 

 

If it was football, HMFC might get a 5 goal handicap if we were to play Barcelona.  We would still get humped....  but it would make it a lot closer. 

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No Idle Talk
On 03/05/2021 at 21:32, No Idle Talk said:

Going for my first round of golf in about 25 years on Thursday. Should be interesting......

 

Well that was fun. 43 after 7 holes. We stopped there as the weather was pish. Three putted every green except one, so if I could have just two putted every green that would have put me on 38 after 7 holes. Obviously crap in the grand scheme of things but better than I was expecting after 25 years without picking up a club. Hoping to get another round in next week. 

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merrymac
32 minutes ago, AWM said:

 

Tremendous talent to do something like that.

and a fitting tribute to the great man.

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Victorian

Two medals into the new WHS world and I'm already seeing some confusing things and interesting effects.  I had an initial handicap index (HI) of 7.5 and that translates to a playing handicap (PH) of 8.  The confusing part is that,  while it's simple to enter the PH of 8 on the card,  the two scores I've returned state a 95% adjusted handicap of 7.  This is curious because 95% of 8 = 7.6.  Never mind.  1st score returned on the card was 80-8=72 (80-7=73).  Clearly above the old sss/css of 69.  7.5 HI remained.  2nd score returned on the card was 77-8=69 (77-7=70).  Either on the old css or 1 shot above.  HI has come down to 7.4.  Obviously the new system is based on the average of the best 8 from 20 scores so the answer lies in there.  I also see that my new HI of 7.4 remains a PH of 8 off the competition tees.

 

This will take a bit of getting used to.

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hmfc_liam06
20 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Two medals into the new WHS world and I'm already seeing some confusing things and interesting effects.  I had an initial handicap index (HI) of 7.5 and that translates to a playing handicap (PH) of 8.  The confusing part is that,  while it's simple to enter the PH of 8 on the card,  the two scores I've returned state a 95% adjusted handicap of 7.  This is curious because 95% of 8 = 7.6.  Never mind.  1st score returned on the card was 80-8=72 (80-7=73).  Clearly above the old sss/css of 69.  7.5 HI remained.  2nd score returned on the card was 77-8=69 (77-7=70).  Either on the old css or 1 shot above.  HI has come down to 7.4.  Obviously the new system is based on the average of the best 8 from 20 scores so the answer lies in there.  I also see that my new HI of 7.4 remains a PH of 8 off the competition tees.

 

This will take a bit of getting used to.

 

It's 95% of your HI when playing competitions.

 

You should also forget SSS/CSS.

 

The best bit of advice is always know what your 20th score is, that's your target to beat on the day.

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33 minutes ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

 

It's 95% of your HI when playing competitions.

 

You should also forget SSS/CSS.

 

The best bit of advice is always know what your 20th score is, that's your target to beat on the day.

 

Just making a comparison to it.  

 

The 95% adjustment of HI makes it even weirder.  I don't see the relevance of entering the PH on a medal card in that case.  Still it is what it is.  

 

Yes I will be trying to keep track of the oldest scores in the 20.  It will be particularly important when a good score is due to drop out.

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46 minutes ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

 

It's 95% of your HI when playing competitions.

 

You should also forget SSS/CSS.

 

The best bit of advice is always know what your 20th score is, that's your target to beat on the day.

 

Just had a look at scores.  The first score to drop out of the 20 was a poor score and the replacing score didn't affect the best 8.  The second score out was another score not in the best 8 and the replacing score makes it into the best 8 so the cut makes sense.  

 

Looks like the next 3 out aren't best 8 scores so further cuts are on the cards and no danger of going back up.  The pressure will be on after those 3 though.

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merrymac

Been watching the Walker Cup from the "famed" Seminole GC.

Just don,t see what they are all raving about. A tricked up golf course that makes decent players look silly.

Missing the green from 10yards?, can,t hold the green out of a greenside bunker.?

I am all for tough courses for these guys but some of these holes are just silly.

It seems that Crazy golf is what the Americans regard as quality, give me any of our top links courses over this any day.

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Samuel Camazzola
2 hours ago, Victorian said:

Two medals into the new WHS world and I'm already seeing some confusing things and interesting effects.  I had an initial handicap index (HI) of 7.5 and that translates to a playing handicap (PH) of 8.  The confusing part is that,  while it's simple to enter the PH of 8 on the card,  the two scores I've returned state a 95% adjusted handicap of 7.  This is curious because 95% of 8 = 7.6.  Never mind.  1st score returned on the card was 80-8=72 (80-7=73).  Clearly above the old sss/css of 69.  7.5 HI remained.  2nd score returned on the card was 77-8=69 (77-7=70).  Either on the old css or 1 shot above.  HI has come down to 7.4.  Obviously the new system is based on the average of the best 8 from 20 scores so the answer lies in there.  I also see that my new HI of 7.4 remains a PH of 8 off the competition tees.

 

This will take a bit of getting used to.

Keep your course handicap as a decimalised figure (don't round it to 😎 and then apply 95% to see what the final figure is. 

1 hour ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

 

It's 95% of your HI when playing competitions.

 

You should also forget SSS/CSS.

 

The best bit of advice is always know what your 20th score is, that's your target to beat on the day.

That's not entirely correct Liam. The following should assist. 

 

https://scottishgolf.org/course-handicap-playing-handicap-calculations/

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sinks

Can you enter a general play score through the Scottish Golf app if you go round in a buggy and dont have a medical certificate?

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33 minutes ago, sinks said:

Can you enter a general play score through the Scottish Golf app if you go round in a buggy and dont have a medical certificate?

 

Don't know but the bit about using a buggy shouldn't matter.  There's nothing to prevent buggy use for anyone playing a club competition so a general play round shouldn't be any different AFAIK.

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hmfc_liam06
1 hour ago, Samuel Camazzola said:

Keep your course handicap as a decimalised figure (don't round it to 😎 and then apply 95% to see what the final figure is. 

That's not entirely correct Liam. The following should assist. 

 

https://scottishgolf.org/course-handicap-playing-handicap-calculations/

 

Ah right, I thought it was your HI as I'm sure it didn't quite calculate correctly when I tried it the actual way.

 

Every day is a school day.

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hmfc_liam06
21 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Don't know but the bit about using a buggy shouldn't matter.  There's nothing to prevent buggy use for anyone playing a club competition so a general play round shouldn't be any different AFAIK.

 

I'd always thought you needed a medical certificate to use a buggy in competition.

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Samuel Camazzola
34 minutes ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

 

Ah right, I thought it was your HI as I'm sure it didn't quite calculate correctly when I tried it the actual way.

 

Every day is a school day.

The Playing Handicap element hasn't been communicated well and if you look at some different Google results, it's easy to see why differing understandings of the method have come about. 

 

A few courses I have been to are displaying the R&A boards which provide Course Handicaps depending on what index and tees are being used. Something similar for Playing Handicaps would help Singles matchplay is 100% so no issues there but Foursomes is 50%, Fourball is 90% and it can then get a bit messy. 

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38 minutes ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

 

I'd always thought you needed a medical certificate to use a buggy in competition.

 

Not that I've seen. Happens all the time at the club without medical certificates.

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merrymac
7 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Not that I've seen. Happens all the time at the club without medical certificates.

I think it depends on the individual competition rules

i know they are not allowed at my club without a medical certificate

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hmfc_liam06
Just now, merrymac said:

I think it depends on the individual competition rules

i know they are not allowed at my club without a medical certificate

 

Same at mine. 

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Thanks guys. Buggies only allowed in comps with med certificate at our course, but OK in bounce games ,so I suppose general play would be classed as bounce games

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I once got DQ for not putting my handicap on a medal scorecard (and subsequently not completing the net score). Ironic how the way to do it now is to just leave it blank and let the system work it out!

 

It's not clear if winter stablefords are being included in my handicap calculations, I don't think they were meant to be if they are.

 

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hmfc_liam06
43 minutes ago, kila said:

I once got DQ for not putting my handicap on a medal scorecard (and subsequently not completing the net score). Ironic how the way to do it now is to just leave it blank and let the system work it out!

 

It's not clear if winter stablefords are being included in my handicap calculations, I don't think they were meant to be if they are.

 

 

WHS come into play in November, so as long as the course wasn't altered ie winter tees, then scores will count.

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Been having another study of my 20 scores.  Next 3 to drop off are all non-counters for the best 8.  Great stuff.  Then it's trouble.  5 of the next 6 are in the best 8 and that includes my best 3.  After these 9 have dropped off,  if I don't get decent scores in,  I'll be looking at half my best 8 being 80 with a 76, 77, 78 and 81.  Looks like I'm going to have to produce 5 scores out of 6 of 76 or 77 or better later this season just to more or less replace what's going to disappear.  

 

It certainly presents more of a challenge than the old system.

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hmfc_liam06
1 hour ago, Victorian said:

Been having another study of my 20 scores.  Next 3 to drop off are all non-counters for the best 8.  Great stuff.  Then it's trouble.  5 of the next 6 are in the best 8 and that includes my best 3.  After these 9 have dropped off,  if I don't get decent scores in,  I'll be looking at half my best 8 being 80 with a 76, 77, 78 and 81.  Looks like I'm going to have to produce 5 scores out of 6 of 76 or 77 or better later this season just to more or less replace what's going to disappear.  

 

It certainly presents more of a challenge than the old system.

 

A guy at my club has gone from 4.4 to 8.2 in the space of 5 competitions. Which is utterly ridiculous, the equivalent of 38 0.1's.

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29 minutes ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

 

A guy at my club has gone from 4.4 to 8.2 in the space of 5 competitions. Which is utterly ridiculous, the equivalent of 38 0.1's.

 

I can see why or how.  Sounds like he had a huge purple patch to get to 4.4 but the scores have dropped out of his 20. 

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Tommy Brown
20 hours ago, kila said:

I once got DQ for not putting my handicap on a medal scorecard (and subsequently not completing the net score). Ironic how the way to do it now is to just leave it blank and let the system work it out!

 

It's not clear if winter stablefords are being included in my handicap calculations, I don't think they were meant to be if they are.

 

 

Our club has emailed us all about general state of card submission. 50% incomplete or incorrect:lol::vrface:

 

Over the first few competitions the standard of score card completion has not been great with more than 50% of cards submitted incomplete or incorrect.

Can I remind everyone that it is your responsibility to make sure that submitted cards are correctly filled in with handicaps and signatures, although I appreciate that we are filling in our own cards at present can I ask that you write a playing partners name on your card as marker. (Does not have to physically sign it).

It is good practice to complete scorecards correctly as this is the required standard when playing in any open competitions at other courses otherwise your score would result in disqualification for incomplete/incorrect cards.

If unsure or new to competition golf please see attachment.

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Samuel Camazzola
4 hours ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

 

A guy at my club has gone from 4.4 to 8.2 in the space of 5 competitions. Which is utterly ridiculous, the equivalent of 38 0.1's.

Do you know the age of the scores which were contributing to the 4.4 index? If they were from 2018, 8.2 could be an accurate reflection of the standard he is playing at just now. 

1 hour ago, Tommy Brown said:

 

Our club has emailed us all about general state of card submission. 50% incomplete or incorrect:lol::vrface:

 

Over the first few competitions the standard of score card completion has not been great with more than 50% of cards submitted incomplete or incorrect.

Can I remind everyone that it is your responsibility to make sure that submitted cards are correctly filled in with handicaps and signatures, although I appreciate that we are filling in our own cards at present can I ask that you write a playing partners name on your card as marker. (Does not have to physically sign it).

It is good practice to complete scorecards correctly as this is the required standard when playing in any open competitions at other courses otherwise your score would result in disqualification for incomplete/incorrect cards.

If unsure or new to competition golf please see attachment.

Does your club use HDID? Scores could d just be submitted and signed for here without the need for cards to be physically handled by a match secretary. 

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Juan Jose Carricondo Perez
11 minutes ago, Samuel Camazzola said:

Does your club use HDID? Scores could d just be submitted and signed for here without the need for cards to be physically handled by a match secretary. 

That’s what my club uses.
We still need to submit a physical card but I’m not sure they even look at these. 

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1 hour ago, Samuel Camazzola said:

Do you know the age of the scores which were contributing to the 4.4 index? If they were from 2018, 8.2 could be an accurate reflection of the standard he is playing at just now. 

Does your club use HDID? Scores could d just be submitted and signed for here without the need for cards to be physically handled by a match secretary. 

 

1 hour ago, Juan Jose Carricondo Perez said:

That’s what my club uses.
We still need to submit a physical card but I’m not sure they even look at these. 

Same with ours

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hmfc_liam06
1 hour ago, Samuel Camazzola said:

Do you know the age of the scores which were contributing to the 4.4 index? If they were from 2018, 8.2 could be an accurate reflection of the standard he is playing at just now. 

 

Yeah they were from late last year. The guy plays 2 or 3 comps a week at the club.

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