IMA MAROON Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Papers were misleading - the brother went to the parents when he seen threats on the phone, you know the type - "if you don't do this then..." Andy According to the EEN today he started chatting to her when she was only 12!!!!!! also there is abit in the record that she will wait for him????? WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hang him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 She wasn't 13: she was 14. Still wrong? You bet. Should he be punished with a custodial sentence? Absolutely. Did he 'groom' her, initiate things, or persuade her to do something against her better judgement? Actually, there is no way we can possibly know. The person in question is almost certainly a pretty sad individual, lacking in social skills and probably any kind of emotional maturity himself - but then, that probably means he needs help as much as punishment. But coppercrutch is again right: plenty of 14 year-old girls fantasise about sex with older men, plenty are already sexually active. Certainly not all - among males and females, a good number aren't actually ready for a sexual relationship until they're way past 16 - but it's patronising to argue that some are not. Another question for anyone reading this. The age of consent in this country is 16 - yet the last I checked, the average age at which people lose their virginity is 15. On that basis, there must be plenty of people reading this who had sex before it was legally permissable - and of those, surely a good number did so with someone who was 16 or over. Does that make the person you had this relationship/experience with a 'beast'? If not, why not? I agree some people have posted reactions (and some posters IMO have posted what they feel should be their reaction) that are over the top and not considered. I have also been at the courts (I was waiting to be a juror at a subsequent case) when two 17 year old soldiers were being tried in a statutory rape case because they had had sex with their girlfriends when their parents were away for the weekend. At the time of the offence, they were 16 and their girlfriends were 15. Rightly (IMO) they were let off with a warning and the Army promised to "keep an eye on them". This is undoubtedly a grey area, and while I believe the current laws are appropriate (though hard to police) I would have every sympathy for anybody in similar situation who found themselves in court (and I would seriously question whether it's appropriate to take the case that far). This is not what has happened in this case though. By his own admission, WAJ was the person who started the relationship and asked her to take it to a sexual level. I've no doubt she was compliant and we don't know whether she was as "keen" for sex as he was (no evidence in public domain to say she wasn't though) but WAJ has admitted he was the one who initiated the conversation and moving the relationship to a sexual level. I can understand people asking for measure in response to the over-the-top responses in this thread. I do think there is danger though in extending the grey areas in cases such as this so far as to try and argue a 20 year is still too young to be fully aware of what he is doing or that that age gap could conceivably be seen as natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Dont try and patronise me pal. I merely said that when a "never been kissed" 14 year old virgin ends up in a toilet with a 20 year old guy - theres no doubting who the instigator was. Would she have been there without his intervention? Would it have been her who suggested the act? Was it her who asked to "take things to the next level"?? He influenced her. If it was as much her decision as it was his, then he wouldnt have had to ASK her to take it to the next level, it would have happened naturally. Not patronising you, simply pointing out a few facts: i'm saying he put the idea in to her head, an idea that otherwise wouldnt of been there. Those are your words, no-one elses. Unless you are the girl in question then you do not know the above. You may think the above, but you cannot know it for sure. And if you don't live in a World with pink fluffy clouds then you would know that girls of this age regularly think of this sort of thing. Sorry for pointing out the truth. Wasn't meant to be patronising, but if you want to take it that way fair enough. Doing this with a 14 year old girl is wrong. But 14 is not very far away from 16 , so lets not be acting like this guy is some sort of baby abuser. Because he clearly is not. A pervert of the highest order ? Yes. But to all the 'Let's hang him high' group get a grip. Would love to know how many of you have glanced at a tidy young schoolgirl and NOT had a few 'bad' thoughts. I guarantee 99.9% of you have. And that makes you not very far removed from the 'beast' in question. The truth hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Shaun, Returning to your teenage dilemma I have synthesised the knowledge of our greatest philosphers, arriving at the most ethical way to have dealt with your au pair: You should have engaged your eurostar and subsequently bribed the deviant for many years thereafter. LOL! Mind you, it doesn't end there. Some months later while she was still with us, some jerk kept calling our house number saying she had HIV. Marie insisted he was a jealous ex, and she was probably right: but still... it could well have been a very lucky escape! When she left, she gave me the details of where she was moving to. Possibly because we just got on well, possibly for other reasons - I never contacted her afterwards, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynie b Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Burdswent came onto an earlier version of JKB in tears one night and posted a hilarious thread about his burd dumping him and lamenting the fact he couldn't find and keep a woman. Oh how I wish I'd saved it, it was truly pathetic. I reckon his inability to engage with the opposite sex is clouding his judgement on this issue. He needs to move on, and realise that not all women are "evil" as he sees it. He's a disturbing individual. Don't humour him, mate. Maybe that's why he can't see the problem in a 20year old MAN Abusing a 13/14 year old Girl...Maybe he likes the Idea they do as they're TOLD, when Obviously Threatened/Persuaded properly!! Maybe a bit OTT, BUT, I CAN'T Understand How ANYONE can think this is as much Her Fault when she's just a Bloody Kid!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 I agree some people have posted reactions (and some posters IMO have posted what they feel should be their reaction) that are over the top and not considered. I have also been at the courts (I was waiting to be a juror at a subsequent case) when two 17 year old soldiers were being tried in a statutory rape case because they had had sex with their girlfriends when their parents were away for the weekend. At the time of the offence, they were 16 and their girlfriends were 15. Rightly (IMO) they were let off with a warning and the Army promised to "keep an eye on them". This is undoubtedly a grey area, and while I believe the current laws are appropriate (though hard to police) I would have every sympathy for anybody in similar situation who found themselves in court (and I would seriously question whether it's appropriate to take the case that far). This is not what has happened in this case though. By his own admission, WAJ was the person who started the relationship and asked her to take it to a sexual level. I've no doubt she was compliant and we don't know whether she was as "keen" for sex as he was (no evidence in public domain to say she wasn't though) but WAJ has admitted he was the one who initiated the conversation and moving the relationship to a sexual level. I can understand people asking for measure in response to the over-the-top responses in this thread. I do think there is danger though in extending the grey areas in cases such as this so far as to try and argue a 20 year is still too young to be fully aware of what he is doing or that that age gap could conceivably be seen as natural. That's all entirely fair enough. You're quite right: there is a danger of the debate developing to the point whereby you-know-who's actions are somehow portrayed as acceptable: they clearly were anything but. I also concur that some of the responses on here have been excruiating in their hyperbole, though: and yes, it might well be that peer pressure/behaviour in a group (in this case, an internet forum) has led people to react in the way they think they're supposed to, rather than at least think about it first. Can't believe that case you mentioned even got to court, by the way! Ridiculous: I wonder if overly possessive parents had anything to do with those soldiers being prosecuted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaby Ewing Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 When she left, she gave me the details of where she was moving to. Possibly because we just got on well, possibly for other reasons - I never contacted her afterwards, though. Dude, I'm sorry but you've let down every connoisseur of porn mag letter pages the world over. Though to be fair, not many of them end up with 'Six years laters I discovered I'd caught the Leith plague, while she was doing a ten stretch in Le Saughtone.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Bapswent Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Maybe that's why he can't see the problem in a 20year old MAN Abusing a 13/14 year old Girl...Maybe he likes the Idea they do as they're TOLD, when Obviously Threatened/Persuaded properly!! Maybe a bit OTT, BUT, I CAN'T Understand How ANYONE can think this is as much Her Fault when she's just a Bloody Kid!!! Obviously threatened/persuaded? What papers do you read? Can you read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Really. Can you point out where I said that? If your going to get into an argument with someone, at least make sure you have a clue what your on about when you do. Otherwise you just come across as bitter and stupid. He's not the one gibbering about cheese. The whole point of the age of consent is that she's not capable of making the decision herself. She's not old enough. So whether or not she complied is irrelevant. Still that point falls down to the cheese argument, so I guess we should all just quit now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaby Ewing Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 He's not the one gibbering about cheese. The whole point of the age of consent is that she's not capable of making the decision herself. She's not old enough. So whether or not she complied is irrelevant. Still that point falls down to the cheese argument, so I guess we should all just quit now. Not getting involved in the rest of the debate but the above's wrong. 13 is the cut off point for there being 'no such thing as consent'. It would have been automatic rape if she'd been that age. Hence him being charged with the 'lesser' crime of overweight noncehood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Dude, I'm sorry but you've let down every connoisseur of porn mag letter pages the world over. Though to be fair, not many of them end up with 'Six years laters I discovered I'd caught the Leith plague, while she was doing a ten stretch in Le Saughtone.' Indeed! Though it would've been unbelievably unlucky: imagine having an experience like that, and then discovering I had HIV afterwards! It'd certainly have got me believing in God... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynie b Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Obviously threatened/persuaded? What papers do you read? Can you read? He contacted her and PERSUADED Her to take things to the next step in their "Relationship"....I'm not going to continue discussing this with "People" Like You...You shouldn't be allowed a Computer!! Again, Defending a BEAST shows me the kind of person you are! As a Family Man.... I'll probably get suspended for this...But, If this is the kind of people on here now, Then, No great lose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Bapswent Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 He contacted her and PERSUADED Her to take things to the next step in their "Relationship"....I'm not going to continue discussing this with "People" Like You...You shouldn't be allowed a Computer!! Again, Defending a BEAST shows me the kind of person you are! As a Family Man.... I'll probably get suspended for this...But, If this is the kind of people on here now, Then, No great lose... No great lose... do you mean loss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynie b Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 No great lose... do you mean loss? Well done, You can spell... Did you're new Girlfriend teach you when she came in from School??? Or are you still trying to PERSUADE Her to go out with You?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Bapswent Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Well done, You can spell... Did you're new Girlfriend teach you when she came in from School??? Or are you still trying to PERSUADE Her to go out with You?? A poor attempt to regain some credibility.....2 stars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheepie Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 he's still taking advantage of her immaturity to get her to meet him from the internet, so it was still grooming. Not read the whole thread but the above is not 'grooming'. Grooming has nowt to do with using the internet to arrange to meet. Grooming in this context is concerned with exposing the child to the idea and act of sex, through viewing of pronographic images and the like, such that it appears the norm and not unusual for a person of their age. This is of course in preperation that if/when it happens, it is less of a shock, the child is 'prepared' for the act and it is not seem by them as 'unusual'. Can't say I know any more about the case than the EE story but from what it says, it does not appear the girl was 'groomed' via which ever forum. If i've missed something, my apologies but feel the distinction between meeting someone/chatting up some one and grooming should be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 A poor attempt to regain some credibility.....2 stars . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodethejambo Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Not read the whole thread but the above is not 'grooming'. Grooming has nowt to do with using the internet to arrange to meet. Grooming in this context is concerned with exposing the child to the idea and act of sex, through viewing of pronographic images and the like, such that it appears the norm and not unusual for a person of their age. This is of course in preperation that if/when it happens, it is less of a shock, the child is 'prepared' for the act and it is not seem by them as 'unusual'. Can't say I know any more about the case than the EE story but from what it says, it does not appear the girl was 'groomed' via which ever forum. If i've missed something, my apologies but feel the distinction between meeting someone/chatting up some one and grooming should be made. It is fact that he sent a series of lewd text messages and an indecent photograph of himself to the youngster's mobile phone = grooming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynie b Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 A poor attempt to regain some credibility.....2 stars You just don't seem to get it...I'm not trying for Credibility, I'm trying to Understand WHY YOU think Peaodophilia is not Wrong!! I am watching my daughter eat her Dinner and trying NOT to let you wind me up any longer...I know somehow you'll manage to **** me off with your veiws on this subject, AGAIN...That's Probably more my Fault, But you've got to live YOUR life the way YOU Think is right I suppose...Won't be taking my daughter to tynie while people with your veiws are there, I'd be afraid to go to the Toilet...Bet your ex is glad she got out when she did!! No Smillies this time... I await your spellcheck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 You just don't seem to get it...I'm not trying for Credibility, I'm trying to Understand WHY YOU think Peaodophilia is not Wrong!!I am watching my daughter eat her Dinner and trying NOT to let you wind me up any longer...I know somehow you'll manage to **** me off with your veiws on this subject, AGAIN...That's Probably more my Fault, But you've got to live YOUR life the way YOU Think is right I suppose...Won't be taking my daughter to tynie while people with your veiws are there, I'd be afraid to go to the Toilet...Bet your ex is glad she got out when she did!! No Smillies this time... I await your spellcheck! The argument has nothing to do with that. This argument is to do with the 'definition' of a child as someone capable of being 'abused'. Some people clearly think a 14 year old female is more than capable of knowing what was going on and happy for it to happen. Some think she was abused and 'groomed' and was persuaded to do it. The only person who can tell us the truth is the girl in question. And I don't she is about to come on here and explain all the details. However the simple fact that she wants to meet this guy again would indicate to those with a little common sense that she was not 'groomed'. What he did was wrong, but it looks more than likely she knew what was going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Bapswent Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 You just don't seem to get it...I'm not trying for Credibility, I'm trying to Understand WHY YOU think Peaodophilia is not Wrong!!I am watching my daughter eat her Dinner and trying NOT to let you wind me up any longer...I know somehow you'll manage to **** me off with your veiws on this subject, AGAIN...That's Probably more my Fault, But you've got to live YOUR life the way YOU Think is right I suppose...Won't be taking my daughter to tynie while people with your veiws are there, I'd be afraid to go to the Toilet...Bet your ex is glad she got out when she did!! No Smillies this time... I await your spellcheck! Its hard to discuss something with someone so blind. But ok. Lets try one step at a time. I have never said peaodophilia is ok... now i suggest you go lie down. Then when you ready, come back and read through the posts again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA MAROON Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 It is fact that he sent a series of lewd text messages and an indecent photograph of himself to the youngster's mobile phone = grooming If he is jailed for 6 months and let out again he will re-offend. That is what they are like. They should not be allowed back into society, it is cheaper hanging them than keeping them locked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest S.U.S.S. Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Find it hard to believe anyone is taking the view its not as bad as she was happy to go along with it. The fact is he broke the law and i hope they throw the book at him The law is the law (right or wrong), no room for debate there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beverley Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 now let it be said before i start that i am not normally a defender of baps or CC but i have to say this do you not think that perhaps they are playing devils advocate here?? have any of you been 14 year old girls?? not very many of you i'll bet (except perhaps CC) well i WAS 14 once and i remember what it was like when a cute older boy paid a little flirty attention. it was flattering and it was fun. i'm not saying i wouldn't have run a mile if one had turned and suggested taking things to the next level, but it teaches you about life, love and men. i remember one lad when i was about 15 who was very flirty and i fancied him something rotten. it was harmless and innocent, at least on my part but he was around 19 and i was very flattered, and my mates were very impressed, jealous even, that i had someone older and obviously far more worldy wise than we ever were, was interested in me, i also remember thinking lots about sex, from a fairly early age actually, and thinking "not yet, but when i'm 16....." i knew it was wrong at my age, and to be honest, when i turned 16, well, lets just say i behaved myself even though it was "allowed" kids these days are looking older, acting older than anyone of my age (37) ever did, in fact the way i hear some schoolgirls talking at the bus stop etc would make most of us shocked. what this guy did was undoubtedly wrong, as i believe he was aware of her age, but we don't really know his mental age. was he a mature 20 or a yound 20? was the girl a young 14 or an old 14? unless we are in possession of all the fact we can't truly know what went on. yes, from the reports, it seems like he knew exactly what he was doing, had planned it etc, he does seem like a nonce, but we don't even know 1 side of the story fully. three sides to any story her side his side the truth rant over (for now at least!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 AHEM!!! While people are posting on here trying to score petty points off of each other. Please don't lose sight of the fact. A crime was committed. There were victims. Some of those victims and their family and friends have access to JKB and are reading all this BS. I've seen my name mentioned in posts and threads that have been deleted now. There is no justification in dragging me into this. Yes, I used to know this evil creep. But I have had no contact with him since my birthday in 2006 ... long before any of this took place or came to light. Thankfully the police had more than enough evidence to actually require me to attend court to bear witness as to what kind of person he is, and my witness citation was cancelled when he pleaded guilty. THANK YOU to my friends who have been in touch with messages of support. I am not going to be stigmatised because I was this criminals girlfriend in the past. That relationship was dead and buried long before he began indulging in this sick kind of behaviour. I have been ill, physically sick and traumatised that I used to know this evil s**t. When the police turned up at my house to tell me that my past boyfriend had done these things, they did so because they thought I was one of his victims too. For legal reasons I cannot elaborate why so I won't. Nobody who is posting on here now, or who has had posts deleted that mentioned me, can imagine how stressful this has been. Not just for me, but for a lot of other people too. Some of the personal stuff that dragged my name into this was deleted but it was noted by certain people while it was still visible, including the police officer who is in charge of this sordid case. There are a couple of people who have even taunted me about this, thru JKB and another forum ... I won't dignify these disgusting slurs by naming the people responsible (you know who you are anyway), but I will say this. When Lothian and Borders Police are monitoring websites, a user name isn't sanctuary from the law ... and the real names of the culprits are known to the authorities. One of them in particular. I'm even more disgusted at this sordid crime than anyone who wants to take their hatred of this criminal out on me. In real life, away from this forum, there are real people, real families and real victims having a really hard time. And their are police officers monitoring every remark people are making. Think on about the people this has touched in real life, the victims and the fact that internet forums are watched by LBP before piling in to post your opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 now let it be said before i start that i am not normally a defender of baps or CC but i have to say this do you not think that perhaps they are playing devils advocate here?? have any of you been 14 year old girls?? not very many of you i'll bet (except perhaps CC) well i WAS 14 once and i remember what it was like when a cute older boy paid a little flirty attention. it was flattering and it was fun. i'm not saying i wouldn't have run a mile if one had turned and suggested taking things to the next level, but it teaches you about life, love and men. i remember one lad when i was about 15 who was very flirty and i fancied him something rotten. it was harmless and innocent, at least on my part but he was around 19 and i was very flattered, and my mates were very impressed, jealous even, that i had someone older and obviously far more worldy wise than we ever were, was interested in me, i also remember thinking lots about sex, from a fairly early age actually, and thinking "not yet, but when i'm 16....." i knew it was wrong at my age, and to be honest, when i turned 16, well, lets just say i behaved myself even though it was "allowed" kids these days are looking older, acting older than anyone of my age (37) ever did, in fact the way i hear some schoolgirls talking at the bus stop etc would make most of us shocked. what this guy did was undoubtedly wrong, as i believe he was aware of her age, but we don't really know his mental age. was he a mature 20 or a yound 20? was the girl a young 14 or an old 14? unless we are in possession of all the fact we can't truly know what went on. yes, from the reports, it seems like he knew exactly what he was doing, had planned it etc, he does seem like a nonce, but we don't even know 1 side of the story fully. three sides to any story her side his side the truth rant over (for now at least!) Got to this point and had to comment. Cute?! He's a fat monstrosity!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogaza Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 A bit of bebo research would show everything. He knew her for a long time, they shared jokes on this site, they communicated through bebo and both had msn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest S.U.S.S. Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 AHEM!!! While people are posting on here trying to score petty points off of each other. Please don't lose sight of the fact. A crime was committed. There were victims. Some of those victims and their family and friends have access to JKB and are reading all this BS. I've seen my name mentioned in posts and threads that have been deleted now. There is no justification in dragging me into this. Yes, I used to know this evil creep. But I have had no contact with him since my birthday in 2006 ... long before any of this took place or came to light. Thankfully the police had more than enough evidence to actually require me to attend court to bear witness as to what kind of person he is, and my witness citation was cancelled when he pleaded guilty. THANK YOU to my friends who have been in touch with messages of support. I am not going to be stigmatised because I was this criminals girlfriend in the past. That relationship was dead and buried long before he began indulging in this sick kind of behaviour. I have been ill, physically sick and traumatised that I used to know this evil s**t. When the police turned up at my house to tell me that my past boyfriend had done these things, they did so because they thought I was one of his victims too. For legal reasons I cannot elaborate why so I won't. Nobody who is posting on here now, or who has had posts deleted that mentioned me, can imagine how stressful this has been. Not just for me, but for a lot of other people too. Some of the personal stuff that dragged my name into this was deleted but it was noted by certain people while it was still visible, including the police officer who is in charge of this sordid case. There are a couple of people who have even taunted me about this, thru JKB and another forum ... I won't dignify these disgusting slurs by naming the people responsible (you know who you are anyway), but I will say this. When Lothian and Borders Police are monitoring websites, a user name isn't sanctuary from the law ... and the real names of the culprits are known to the authorities. One of them in particular. I'm even more disgusted at this sordid crime than anyone who wants to take their hatred of this criminal out on me. In real life, away from this forum, there are real people, real families and real victims having a really hard time. And their are police officers monitoring every remark people are making. Think on about the people this has touched in real life, the victims and the fact that internet forums are watched by LBP before piling in to post your opinions. Very brave post. Sadly the point scorers will probably use it to score more points. Sadly it does seem some are more concerned with point scoring than the feelings of real people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 I have to say im actually amazed at some of the views being shared here Yes its true their are 14 YO girls who put themselves about, but the fact here clearly dont lend themself to that scenario If it had been a one off incident with a girl of questionable integrity fair enough, but he was bang to rights and knew it He pursued her over several months, he refused to go near when the family were here, he used emotional blackmail and generally has ****ed with this girls mind That is what makes it grooming Many have pointed to the fact that many break the law and have sex below 16., the courts recognise this and had the gap and circumstances lended themself to that this wouldnt have went to court This went to court as the police, family and PFS , as i myself believe the circumstances suggested that a far older man - whether he acted like one or not- misused the internet to target a vulnerable young girl, who for her age seems to be quite immature and mentally abused her until he got what he wanted This girl is no longer getting on with her family and is now wanting to be with him long term Hes ****ed up her life as well as the illegal physical activities A fairly decent custodial is more than called for and heres hoping he soon will be wee saughton jambo and being initiated by some others who like vulnerable people He even has that look about him Lets stop using the fact people have underage sex to justify this, if the courts/police thought it was as innocent as that it would never have went to court The guy is **** and he shouldnt be allowed near a website or child again in his life as he clearly has a thing for preying on vulnerable people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boabyarsebiscuit Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 However the simple fact that she wants to meet this guy again would indicate to those with a little common sense that she was not 'groomed'. Indicates the exact opposite actually. If your comment is true (it can't be speculation when it suits you and gospel when it doesn't suit you, and vice versa). She thinks it's normal for 20 year olds to text photos of their cocks to 13/14 year old girls. She thinks it's normal for 13/14 year old girls to have sex in public toilets. She thinks this is what people who are "in love" do. But then again I've no common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest S.U.S.S. Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Wahahahaha Now I wonder who would come out with something like that... hmmm That must be it huh... Maybe one day youll stop being so dumb. Dont be shy name the person you think is involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Bapswent Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Dont be shy name the person you think is involved. I dont think i need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 As for emma's post Its good to see the police took it all seriously and Id imagine quite a few others were probably contacted/looked into to ensure he wasnt grooming any more children Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest S.U.S.S. Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 I dont think i need to. I think you should, if your thinking it was me, ur wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boabyarsebiscuit Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 As for emma's post Its good to see the police took it all seriously and Id imagine quite a few others were probably contacted/looked into to ensure he wasnt grooming any more children Hope the police are requesting burdswent's details from this forum's operators right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogaza Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 IT is disgusting but there are many more cases. I know of girls who share relationships with men 6 to 7 years older than them. Most of the guys are ugly ***** too but I suppose it's the thrill of an older guy flirting with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beverley Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 good of you to come on this thread emma, couldn't have been easy for you suss, didn't mean to imply that the perpetrator was cute, to be honest online who can tell anything real about anyone else, i was imply making a point about older lads being attracting to young girls i don't think that this thread is going to do anything more now sadly, that turn into a slagging match, more than it already has. shame really cos i love good debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Indicates the exact opposite actually. If your comment is true (it can't be speculation when it suits you and gospel when it doesn't suit you, and vice versa). She thinks it's normal for 20 year olds to text photos of their cocks to 13/14 year old girls. She thinks it's normal for 13/14 year old girls to have sex in public toilets. She thinks this is what people who are "in love" do. But then again I've no common sense. Exactly Im sure many of us have seen his picture, or witnessed his personality online and would agree no normal 14 yr old girl would want him, in fact no normal female some may argue So you have to wonder 1) the maturity and 2) general common sense of a teenage girl who would He clearly manipulated a girl he saw as being vulnerable and one would suggest that shows the early behaviour of some infamous **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest S.U.S.S. Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 good of you to come on this thread emma, couldn't have been easy for you suss, didn't mean to imply that the perpetrator was cute, to be honest online who can tell anything real about anyone else, i was imply making a point about older lads being attracting to young girls i don't think that this thread is going to do anything more now sadly, that turn into a slagging match, more than it already has. shame really cos i love good debate Wasnt having a pop in your direction my dear, sorry if it read that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tynie Bubbles Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 AHEM!!! While people are posting on here trying to score petty points off of each other. Please don't lose sight of the fact. A crime was committed. There were victims. Some of those victims and their family and friends have access to JKB and are reading all this BS. I've seen my name mentioned in posts and threads that have been deleted now. There is no justification in dragging me into this. Yes, I used to know this evil creep. But I have had no contact with him since my birthday in 2006 ... long before any of this took place or came to light. Thankfully the police had more than enough evidence to actually require me to attend court to bear witness as to what kind of person he is, and my witness citation was cancelled when he pleaded guilty. THANK YOU to my friends who have been in touch with messages of support. I am not going to be stigmatised because I was this criminals girlfriend in the past. That relationship was dead and buried long before he began indulging in this sick kind of behaviour. I have been ill, physically sick and traumatised that I used to know this evil s**t. When the police turned up at my house to tell me that my past boyfriend had done these things, they did so because they thought I was one of his victims too. For legal reasons I cannot elaborate why so I won't. Nobody who is posting on here now, or who has had posts deleted that mentioned me, can imagine how stressful this has been. Not just for me, but for a lot of other people too. Some of the personal stuff that dragged my name into this was deleted but it was noted by certain people while it was still visible, including the police officer who is in charge of this sordid case. There are a couple of people who have even taunted me about this, thru JKB and another forum ... I won't dignify these disgusting slurs by naming the people responsible (you know who you are anyway), but I will say this. When Lothian and Borders Police are monitoring websites, a user name isn't sanctuary from the law ... and the real names of the culprits are known to the authorities. One of them in particular. I'm even more disgusted at this sordid crime than anyone who wants to take their hatred of this criminal out on me. In real life, away from this forum, there are real people, real families and real victims having a really hard time. And their are police officers monitoring every remark people are making. Think on about the people this has touched in real life, the victims and the fact that internet forums are watched by LBP before piling in to post your opinions. OMG!!! That is so brave. Good on you Emma. I hope the people bullying you see this and are shamed into leaving you alone or get dealt with accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Bapswent Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 I think you should, if your thinking it was me, ur wrong. Why do you think that...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest S.U.S.S. Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Why do you think that...? I don?t hide the fact i cant stand you. But I don?t pm others about you. Think what you want. If you think it was me your wrong. Be a man, if you think it was me say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Bapswent Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 I don?t hide the fact i cant stand you. But I don?t pm others about you. Think what you want. If you think it was me your wrong. Be a man, if you think it was me say so. ha ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Bapswent Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Hope the police are requesting burdswent's details from this forum's operators right now. oh deary me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogaza Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 I don?t hide the fact i cant stand you. But I don?t pm others about you. Think what you want. If you think it was me your wrong. Be a man, if you think it was me say so. Think what was you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest S.U.S.S. Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Think what was you? that sent Tynie B a pm re the Dr and his status or closeness to the mods on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Bapswent Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 that sent Tynie B a pm re the Dr and his status or closeness to the mods on here. Id be interested to know who you think it might have been ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest S.U.S.S. Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Id be interested to know who you think it might have been ? Never had any thoughts on it, ask him! Know it wasnt me, if it was id admit it. TBH i happen to agree with whoever pm'd him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Bapswent Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Never had any thoughts on it, ask him! Know it wasnt me, if it was id admit it. TBH i happen to agree with whoever pm'd him. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedp6873 Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Id be interested to know who you think it might have been ? A pleb just like us plebs all plebs together:p:p:p;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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