Herbert. Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 5 minutes ago, tightrope said: Loving the rights, wrongs, failures, succeses chat, but it's a bit dry. Anyone got anymore scandal on the shooting? Turns out he was part of a love triangle with a gangster from the south of Edinburgh and David Obua Jambo gangsta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 33 minutes ago, the posh bit said: Not a jot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 2 hours ago, Gundermann said: Good points and probably true. With younger kids, the brain does most of its formation - putting it crudely here - in the first few years, certainly before puberty. It's maybe thought that's the most important time to influence/ help them grow. Problem is as I said above, the pull of negative forces in the community/ families is too great for many in the teenage years. Good podcast here btw. Interview with an English/Irish academic who grew up in utter shit in Coventry, suffered loads of abuse as you can imagine but somehow managed to gain a Phd and now fights to change the system in favour of people who still suffer like she did. https://play.acast.com/s/blindboy/the-psychological-impact-of-poverty-with-drkatriona-o-sulliv 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Can it not be both ? Yeh, poor, downtrodden, gun-totting psycopaths. Probably just misunderstood. Personal culpability is always someone else's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 minute ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Yeh, poor, downtrodden, gun-totting psycopaths. Probably just misunderstood. Personal culpability is always someone else's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 On 01/01/2024 at 13:19, periodictabledancer said: In my experience , it was like the wild west (shootings in The Gunner , even back then) but with the advent of drugs (available over the counter in places like The Ferry Boat) some might say different. Good pint in the Gunner. Not been in in over 20 years though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder and Lightning Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I agree, people are a product of their environment when young. But that excuse fades as you get older. If beating the shit of of people and shooting others doesn't register as wrong, you can"t keep blaming lack of play parks. Some people are just scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 13 minutes ago, Marvin said: Good pint in the Gunner. Not been in in over 20 years though. You’d be lucky to get a decent pint there these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 25 minutes ago, Marvin said: Good pint in the Gunner. Not been in in over 20 years though. Been closed a few years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightrope Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, steve123 said: Looking for a Red Hyundai Tuscan, car pulled up, guy got out fired the shots then dissapeared. From the videos and other stuff easily found on the net not sure the police will have to look to far for their answers. No doubt will be found burnt out. Crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, Marvin said: Good pint in the Gunner. Not been in in over 20 years though. Building was knocked down years ago now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 8 minutes ago, pablo said: Building was knocked down years ago now Tbh it wasn't the prettiest. The chippy next door used to be really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, Tazio said: You’d be lucky to get a decent pint there these days. So I believe. I haven't lived down that way in 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameronstheman Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) Those responsible must know they will be caught .. Cant see this crime disappearing to a cold case Receiving 30yr plus for this type of crime isn't that unusual these days . Though sure merited when those involved are found guilty Edited January 2 by Cameronstheman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 8 minutes ago, Cameronstheman said: Those responsible must know they will be caught .. Cant see this crime disappearing to a cold case Receiving 30yr plus for this type of crime isn't that unusual these days . Though sure merited when those involved are found guilty Need to prove it. Like all those gangland hits, it could prove tricky. I can't imagine there will be any witnesses. Even the other boy who got shot will somehow lose his memory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 12 minutes ago, Cameronstheman said: Those responsible must know they will be caught .. Cant see this crime disappearing to a cold case Receiving 30yr plus for this type of crime isn't that unusual these days . Though sure merited when those involved are found guilty They've probably come from out of town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameronstheman Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Just my opinion but its a slam dunk . People talk, may take a little time but that's how i see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameronstheman Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Just now, The Real Maroonblood said: They've probably come from out of town. Good point .Shit never thought of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 29 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: Need to prove it. Like all those gangland hits, it could prove tricky. I can't imagine there will be any witnesses. Even the other boy who got shot will somehow lose his memory The last one in Edinburgh was Bradley Welsh. They didn't torch the car which became key evidence. They also proved the murderer was there from mobile phone evidence. Police basically solved the case in less than 2 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Lambretta Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 10 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: The last one in Edinburgh was Bradley Welsh. They didn't torch the car which became key evidence. They also proved the murderer was there from mobile phone evidence. Police basically solved the case in less than 2 days. Either way the Polis will be happy at the final outcome when the gunman is caught. One wannabe gangster dead and another in jail for life. Its a win win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve123 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 3 minutes ago, Italian Lambretta said: Either way the Polis will be happy at the final outcome when the gunman is caught. One wannabe gangster dead and another in jail for life. Its a win win. True but can't imagine we will not see some kind of retaliation in coming days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamstomorrow Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, Cameronstheman said: Those responsible must know they will be caught .. Cant see this crime disappearing to a cold case Receiving 30yr plus for this type of crime isn't that unusual these days . Though sure merited when those involved are found guilty Of course if the gunman is under 25, his brain will not have fully developed, therefore he will probably get a community payback order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 The Police will know 100% know who was responsible as they’d have served him with that Osman Warning notice, hence why he was being all mouthy and carrying a weapon thinking he was untouchable. Its just a case of who’s next, and those arranging will have every piece of comms tapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 17 minutes ago, Armageddon said: The Police will know 100% know who was responsible as they’d have served him with that Osman Warning notice, hence why he was being all mouthy and carrying a weapon thinking he was untouchable. Its just a case of who’s next, and those arranging will have every piece of comms tapped. Maybe but not necessarily know who pulled the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 7 hours ago, Gundermann said: Good points and probably true. With younger kids, the brain does most of its formation - putting it crudely here - in the first few years, certainly before puberty. It's maybe thought that's the most important time to influence/ help them grow. Problem is as I said above, the pull of negative forces in the community/ families is too great for many in the teenage years. Good podcast here btw. Interview with an English/Irish academic who grew up in utter shit in Coventry, suffered loads of abuse as you can imagine but somehow managed to gain a Phd and now fights to change the system in favour of people who still suffer like she did. https://play.acast.com/s/blindboy/the-psychological-impact-of-poverty-with-drkatriona-o-sulliv I’ll listen to that later . Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day@theraces Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 17 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Maybe but not necessarily know who pulled the trigger. Exactly, that Hibs mouthpiece casual was killed under the orders of some heavy guys. But the killer was a nobody happy to take any money given. No doubt some young guys wanting a foot up the ladder that are gonna be used as cannon fodder pulled the trigger. Way it has been as long as time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 5 hours ago, steve123 said: Looking for a Red Hyundai Tuscan, car pulled up, guy got out fired the shots then dissapeared. From the videos and other stuff easily found on the net not sure the police will have to look to far for their answers. Where can I find these videos? Searched Twitter but no joy 🥴 TIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 4 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said: They've probably come from out of town. All guesswork but I was thinking the opposite considering he was telling them where he was gonna be etc in the videos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 5 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said: Need to prove it. Like all those gangland hits, it could prove tricky. I can't imagine there will be any witnesses. Even the other boy who got shot will somehow lose his memory We thought that here with our organised crime mobs a few years ago. But most of them were caught, even though very few were ever ratted out. Those who are still at large find themselves having made some very serious enemies, including the likes of the FBI and the State Department. These guys do a lot to cover their tracks, but no system is foolproof. That said, even as they get removed from circulation their successors are already moving in, and so it carries on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 4 hours ago, Jamstomorrow said: Of course if the gunman is under 25, his brain will not have fully developed, therefore he will probably get a community payback order. Has that kind of bollox actually happened in Scotland, or is that just a bit of a rant? It sure as **** hasn't happened here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 5 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said: Even the other boy who got shot will somehow lose his memory Pretty much why we're still free to post on Kickback over the years, Nucky. Pistol amnesia is the second best type of amnesia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 5 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Has that kind of bollox actually happened in Scotland, or is that just a bit of a rant? It sure as **** hasn't happened here. It will be made relating to a recent case just outside Edinburgh where a young man got a very light sentence for rape due to his young age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 minute ago, Tazio said: It will be made relating to a recent case just outside Edinburgh where a young man got a very light sentence for rape due to his young age. But has it happened in relation to "organised crime" and shootings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 7 hours ago, Armageddon said: Where can I find these videos? Searched Twitter but no joy 🥴 TIA https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/25214140/marc-webley-edinburgh-shot-dead-granton/ Far from the best source, but you'll get the gist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 5 hours ago, Ulysses said: But has it happened in relation to "organised crime" and shootings? They are general sentencing guidelines covering everything. Don't think there's been a case to test it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Town Loafer Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 13 hours ago, Tazio said: You’d be lucky to get a decent pint there these days. 13 hours ago, iantjambo said: Been closed a few years now. 12 hours ago, pablo said: Building was knocked down years ago now 12 hours ago, Marvin said: Tbh it wasn't the prettiest. The chippy next door used to be really good. Am I going mental or are we thinking of different places? Ferry Boat just down from Drylaw police station? If that’s the one it’s very much open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 18 minutes ago, New Town Loafer said: Am I going mental or are we thinking of different places? Ferry Boat just down from Drylaw police station? If that’s the one it’s very much open. No, was half way down Pennywell Road in Muirhouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 39 minutes ago, New Town Loafer said: Am I going mental or are we thinking of different places? Ferry Boat just down from Drylaw police station? If that’s the one it’s very much open. Pennywell Road was where the Gunner was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, New Town Loafer said: Am I going mental or are we thinking of different places? Ferry Boat just down from Drylaw police station? If that’s the one it’s very much open. maybe mental is a bit strong, you've just mis-read that the Gunner was the pub in question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I'm amazed the red car hasn't been found yet, you'd have thought burnt out down East Lothian somewhere. I've watched too much 24 Hours in Police Custody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Stuff being a gangster and having to look over your shoulder all the time and sleep with one eye open Im bad enough with having the fear after a night out and no sleeping well next again night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 11 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said: I’ll listen to that later . Thanks 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Town Loafer Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, Tommy Brown said: maybe mental is a bit strong, you've just mis-read that the Gunner was the pub in question Ffs mental it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 4 hours ago, Tommy Brown said: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/25214140/marc-webley-edinburgh-shot-dead-granton/ Far from the best source, but you'll get the gist. What an absolutely bizarre article. Starts off about the murder, slips into a history of that Jane lassie's ex's then a brief mention of the murder before ending. Also, a source said the killer must have knew he was there. Aye no shit, he posted it in a video like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, Armageddon said: I'm amazed the red car hasn't been found yet, you'd have thought burnt out down East Lothian somewhere. I've watched too much 24 Hours in Police Custody. Mt thoughts, some poor innocent ***** has had his car stolen and will be grilled for this murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve123 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/11739137/marc-webley-gunned-down-underworld-love-feud/ More here, my only thoughts on this are poor kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 5 hours ago, New Town Loafer said: Am I going mental or are we thinking of different places? Ferry Boat just down from Drylaw police station? If that’s the one it’s very much open. Anchor Inn. West Granton Road, just before the United wire works when heading for Granton Square. Gunner. Is now no more, demolished a couple of years back. Was Three quarters of the way down Pennywell Road heading towards Marine Drive. Ferryboat. Is on the Ferry Road opposite Ferry Road Place and 75yds before you get to the entrance of Drylaw Police station when heading towards Davison Mains, which is a westerly direction. 100yds after the entrance to Drylaw Police station heading west is what used to be the Doocot pub, which has been closed for quite a good few years now. Many would argue that in the 60s, 70s, and 80s the Doocot was the best pub in the whole Granton, West Granton, Royston, West Pilton, Muirhouse area. Willie Muir which was behind what was Diverno's newsagents and the Caroline Bingo hall built in 1966ish, now been demolished for at least a dozen years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 2 hours ago, theshed said: Stuff being a gangster and having to look over your shoulder all the time and sleep with one eye open Im bad enough with having the fear after a night out and no sleeping well next again night Yes it’s no life to lead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 He seemed like a thoroughly despicable human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, AlphonseCapone said: What an absolutely bizarre article. Starts off about the murder, slips into a history of that Jane lassie's ex's then a brief mention of the murder before ending. Also, a source said the killer must have knew he was there. Aye no shit, he posted it in a video like. I thought I’d be around but Ms Park has been around the houses and back again . Seems to be a bit of a femme fatale ,so probably best to be avoided . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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