Turkishcap Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 If we win I will be a happy chapppy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valois No1 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Been said before a million times, but with our wages some 2/3 x more than Motherwell's then anything other than a win is simply not acceptable and Naismith should be sacked. Motherwell will scrap for their lives and in turn so should we. The slogan 'Blood doesn't show on a maroon jersey' has long gone from mind and I demand it be back from the top (boardroom) down. HHGH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgierools Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 If we get the same halfarsed gutless effort from the players that we've seen too much of this season, then it will be an obvious indicator that the players are throwing Naisy under a bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordiegords Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Anyone driving through for this who has space and wants company? Can’t be bothered with a near two hour train journey, only needing one way as aim off to Glasgow after the game, cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Berrassobad said: Im picturing a turtle peeking over a trench in Flanders 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Gordon Kingsley Kent Rowles Forrest Cam Newy Cochrane Boyce Vargas/Oda Shanks I think! Dont like Boyce and Shanks up top, but Vargas or Oda (ultimately Tagawa hopefully) doing the spearhead work with Shanks showing from the CHs and Boyce looking for gaps between the lines would work in theory. I think we need to go through with a bit of steel in our team too and Boyce will bring that - he'll get stuck in from minute one and demand his teammates do similar - moreso than Grant or Lowry will. It leaves us a pretty strong bench for the first time in a while - Lowry, Grant, Oda/Vargas and hopefully Tagawa all available. Gordon in the sticks, but that's a definite "if he's ready". There may have been a decision to make on how to reintroduce him even when ready, but I think that debate is done - get him back in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 Seems Devlin is getting less game time because Beni and Nieuwenhof are still obviously short of fitness I don't buy any reason like Devlin's likely to get a booking, or anything else He showed he can go a good while without being booked, after the Motherwell game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Love 3 points..... Genuinely dont believe that's possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 12 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said: Love 3 points..... Genuinely dont believe that's possible 1 point in the last 7 games and the sheep went 0-4 ahead of them in front of their own fans We should be getting 2 or 3 despite any effort from them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamb04life Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Gordon Kingsley Kent Rowles Forrest Beni Devlin Cochrane Oda Boyce Vargas Is what I’d like to see. Plenty pace and in my opinion, Boyce deserves a start over Shanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnybob72 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Motherwell 8/5 with Skybet if anyone likes free money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 I'd take any win for us. We seem to be a bit better away from home this season that's my only slight glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex member of the SaS Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Been saying for a while now, People say we can't compete with the bigots finances, well the likes of Motherwell shouldn't be able to compete with us due to our finances. We have large amounts of cash flowing in from a number of sources and we should be spending it on the first team. Always want a win and will be massively disappointed with anything less. People saying we have a poor record at Fir park, well history has nothing to do with it. Every games is an individual entity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 23 minutes ago, Jamb04life said: Gordon Kingsley Kent Rowles Forrest Beni Devlin Cochrane Oda Boyce Vargas Is what I’d like to see. Plenty pace and in my opinion, Boyce deserves a start over Shanks Absolute insanity not to start Shankland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamb04life Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Absolute insanity not to start Shankland. All entitled to an opinion which I respect I feel he’s been poor more often than good this season. I reckon if he wasn’t captain, he’d have been dropped well before now. He’s a goal scorer, there’s no doubt about it but if he hasn’t scored he often fails to make a meaningful contribution. (I get goals can win games) IMO Boyce is a better focal point, can win flick ons, hold the ball up better and is more creative/finds space. With Vargas/Oda running off him, I think this would be effective. I think he deserves a chance. I’ve said it before on here, I feel Shanks is immune from criticism from some folk. He still doesn’t look as fit as he was last season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 43 minutes ago, Jamb04life said: Gordon Kingsley Kent Rowles Forrest Beni Devlin Cochrane Oda Boyce Vargas Is what I’d like to see. Plenty pace and in my opinion, Boyce deserves a start over Shanks I'd be amazed and quite happy with that line-up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 20 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Absolute insanity not to start Shankland. Could get a response, like his Hat-Trick against mhanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviskan Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Absolute insanity not to start Shankland. Indeed, why the hell would you start Boyce…a guy that struggles to score, over the main goalscorer in our team. Boyce is a poor man’s Shankland…and is one of a number of players that needs removed from the club if we’re to progress. Edited November 7, 2023 by Deviskan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 5 hours ago, TheBigO said: Gordon Kingsley Kent Rowles Forrest Cam Newy Cochrane Boyce Vargas/Oda Shanks I think! Dont like Boyce and Shanks up top, but Vargas or Oda (ultimately Tagawa hopefully) doing the spearhead work with Shanks showing from the CHs and Boyce looking for gaps between the lines would work in theory. I think we need to go through with a bit of steel in our team too and Boyce will bring that - he'll get stuck in from minute one and demand his teammates do similar - moreso than Grant or Lowry will. It leaves us a pretty strong bench for the first time in a while - Lowry, Grant, Oda/Vargas and hopefully Tagawa all available. Gordon in the sticks, but that's a definite "if he's ready". There may have been a decision to make on how to reintroduce him even when ready, but I think that debate is done - get him back in. I like that team, but I would go for Grant ahead of Boyce - I think Boyce slows play down too much, he's more likely to be impactful from the bench. Like the idea of pairing Vargas or Oda with Shanks, I think we've missed Gino's movement and ability to stretch the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Religion Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Deviskan said: Indeed, why the hell would you start Boyce…a guy that struggles to score, over the main goalscorer in our team. Boyce is a poor man’s Shankland…and is one of a number of players that needs removed from the club if we’re to progress. Another terrible decision to extend his contract. Extension agreed while he out injured after a run of terrible form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviskan Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, Bad Religion said: Another terrible decision to extend his contract. Extension agreed while he out injured after a run of terrible form At this stage, I’d honestly not be surprised to see Boyce, Halliday, Haring, Forrest, and Sibbick get extensions again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, OTT said: I like that team, but I would go for Grant ahead of Boyce - I think Boyce slows play down too much, he's more likely to be impactful from the bench. Like the idea of pairing Vargas or Oda with Shanks, I think we've missed Gino's movement and ability to stretch the game. We haven't half missed that, absolutely The Gino shaped hole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviskan Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Ricardo Quaresma said: We haven't half missed that, absolutely The Gino shaped hole Hopefully Tagawa gets up to speed soon…a forward line of Vargas, Tagawa, Oda would be fairly pacey…with Shankland playing behind Tagawa. Edited November 7, 2023 by Deviskan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, OTT said: I like that team, but I would go for Grant ahead of Boyce - I think Boyce slows play down too much, he's more likely to be impactful from the bench. Like the idea of pairing Vargas or Oda with Shanks, I think we've missed Gino's movement and ability to stretch the game. Yeah I had hoped we'd be a 442/424 team this season, but in truth the players we have at the moment add up to this 3412 type thingy. Yeah don't disagree on Grant (or Lowry maybe) but I just think Boycie will give us some nuts - win the battle then add the flair kinda thing.... not against either approach tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Deviskan said: Hopefully Tagawa gets up to speed soon…a forward line of Vargas, Tagawa, Oda would be fairly pacey…with Shankland playing behind Tagawa. Absolutely, I don't think he'll start Oda unless he's solid; he gets a lot of challenges running at pace and the last time he was supposed to be on for a half / 60 minutes, he got injured and a lengthy lay-off, that he's just back from - Edited November 7, 2023 by Ricardo Quaresma get's > gets, tsk tsk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 Grant would absolutely help his cause with a goal; not just a goal, but smash it in What were they called? A raker? Yes, an emphatic finish Still say he should be practising long shots, as well as others in the team; Forrest's against the wee team is our best goal this Season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 40 minutes ago, Jamb04life said: All entitled to an opinion which I respect I feel he’s been poor more often than good this season. I reckon if he wasn’t captain, he’d have been dropped well before now. He’s a goal scorer, there’s no doubt about it but if he hasn’t scored he often fails to make a meaningful contribution. (I get goals can win games) IMO Boyce is a better focal point, can win flick ons, hold the ball up better and is more creative/finds space. With Vargas/Oda running off him, I think this would be effective. I think he deserves a chance. I’ve said it before on here, I feel Shanks is immune from criticism from some folk. He still doesn’t look as fit as he was last season Apologies for the abrupt answer before. Regardless of Boyce’s good points (and there are many), Shankland is the only reliable goalscorer we have. That’s the counter argument really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Apologies for the abrupt answer before. Regardless of Boyce’s good points (and there are many), Shankland is the only reliable goalscorer we have. That’s the counter argument really. Sorry to butt in, but there is also the question of the armband if he does start from the bench Not at all sure Naismith would start him from the bench, too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Just now, Ricardo Quaresma said: Sorry to butt in, but there is also the question of the armband if he does start from the bench Not at all sure Naismith would start him from the bench, too You’re not butting in 👍. Yeah, hadn’t thought of that. Who would get it? Boyce I’d guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 minute ago, GinRummy said: You’re not butting in 👍. Yeah, hadn’t thought of that. Who would get it? Boyce I’d guess. Boyce or maybe Kent; zander has had the armband before, I think, once Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamb04life Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 15 minutes ago, Ricardo Quaresma said: Boyce or maybe Kent; zander has had the armband before, I think, once That was kind of my point; is it because he’s captain that has made him undroppable I feel Boyce is an intelligent player, always to find extra space and uses his body well. He defo has a place in this squad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jamb04life said: That was kind of my point; is it because he’s captain that has made him undroppable I feel Boyce is an intelligent player, always to find extra space and uses his body well. He defo has a place in this squad Who do you want as Captain in this scenario? Who do you think would be chosen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamb04life Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ricardo Quaresma said: Who do you want as Captain in this scenario? Who do you think would be chosen? Kingsley or Kent would be good options. Kent obviously only new in and Kingsley injury prone… Don’t think any of us saw Shanks as captain when RN appointed him. Was just unfortunate that Gordon and Halkett have been injured at the same time Suppose it poses another question - do we lack leaders..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 FM24 Stats out https://fminside.net/clubs/4-fm-24/1573-hearts No Oda there, but strangely here, in our team, on FM24 stats, weird https://fminside.net/players/4-fm-24/45112327-yutaro-oda No Offiah either https://fminside.net/players/4-fm-24/28126165-odel-offiah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Jamb04life said: Kingsley or Kent would be good options. Kent obviously only new in and Kingsley injury prone… Don’t think any of us saw Shanks as captain when RN appointed him. Was just unfortunate that Gordon and Halkett have been injured at the same time Suppose it poses another question - do we lack leaders..? I think Kingsley is a good shout, don't know how he'd feel about it; some may feel it's too soon for Kent and what about when Halkett comes back, can't be far away Edit: Would probably choose Kent for this game - Edited November 7, 2023 by Ricardo Quaresma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrystaf Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 3 hours ago, Jamb04life said: Gordon Kingsley Kent Rowles Forrest Beni Devlin Cochrane Oda Boyce Vargas Is what I’d like to see. Plenty pace and in my opinion, Boyce deserves a start over Shanks Neither covered themselves in glory on Sunday, but then who did. Shankland is more likely to score than Boyce. How about young Kirk who is getting rave reviews? Time for some of the youngsters who can't be any worse than the current inmates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Even if we win it’s just papering over the cracks IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamb04life Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 45 minutes ago, chrystaf said: Neither covered themselves in glory on Sunday, but then who did. Shankland is more likely to score than Boyce. How about young Kirk who is getting rave reviews? Time for some of the youngsters who can't be any worse than the current inmates? Absolutely agree. Tait, Kirk, Wilson, (albeit only 16) Sandilands and McLuckie all meant to be decent prospects yet only Denholm has got a sniff. Some would argue putting them into an underperforming team/negative atmosphere wouldn’t be a good idea. Other teams like Motherwell - look at the laddie Miller, seem to be a lot more successful at bringing through their youth players. Topic probably worthy of another thread at some point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo92 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jamb04life said: Absolutely agree. Tait, Kirk, Wilson, (albeit only 16) Sandilands and McLuckie all meant to be decent prospects yet only Denholm has got a sniff. Some would argue putting them into an underperforming team/negative atmosphere wouldn’t be a good idea. Other teams like Motherwell - look at the laddie Miller, seem to be a lot more successful at bringing through their youth players. Topic probably worthy of another thread at some point I've seen alot more from McLuckie this season than Oda and Vargas combined, albeit at different levels. No doubt he has talent and build to play for the first team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingu Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Like the broken record I am, I'm making the case for 4-3-3! Clark Sibbick (or maybe Kingsley) Kent Rowles Cochrane Beni Devlin Nieuwenhof Oda Shankland Vargas Extra body in midfield and let the wide forwards play as forwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gordon_1874 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Motherwell in terrible form at the moment. You know what's coming..... 1-0 Motherwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 55 minutes ago, Pingu said: Like the broken record I am, I'm making the case for 4-3-3! Clark Sibbick (or maybe Kingsley) Kent Rowles Cochrane Beni Devlin Nieuwenhof Oda Shankland Vargas Extra body in midfield and let the wide forwards play as forwards. Not Sibbick. Ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam11 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Motherwell winless in 7, and currently 2-0 down to St Johnstone ffs. Lose this and it’s on the players as much as the management Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTBCAL Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Losing 2-0 to the Saints Kettlewell v Naismith in El Sackio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, jr ewing said: Not Sibbick. Ever. Sibbick in the team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Gordon_1874 said: Motherwell in terrible form at the moment. You know what's coming..... 1-0 Motherwell We really should beat them Absolute freefall; don't ******* sack him yet please 🙏 - Edited November 7, 2023 by Ricardo Quaresma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmreido Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 53 minutes ago, Gordon_1874 said: Motherwell in terrible form at the moment. You know what's coming..... 1-0 Motherwell This is how I see it, unfortunately! The match will be a battle, not sure we're up to it, tbh Hope tae #### I'm wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Pingu said: Like the broken record I am, I'm making the case for 4-3-3! Clark Sibbick (or maybe Kingsley) Kent Rowles Cochrane Beni Devlin Nieuwenhof Oda Shankland Vargas Extra body in midfield and let the wide forwards play as forwards. If we are playing a back 4 it should be Kingsley at left back imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 33 minutes ago, GinRummy said: If we are playing a back 4 it should be Kingsley at left back imo. Until we have a replacement right back it has to be Kingsley. Pity we got rid of Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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