Should Naismith , Mcavoy and Forrest be sacked?

[Agentjambo]

15 minutes ago, boag1874 said:

Nothing to do with “Naisy fanboys”. I’m 100% not a “Naisy fanboy” & I can see that was Harings fault.

 

If he doesn’t do that do you think Rangers would have scored?

They did.

[Agentjambo]

4 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

It does when your only purpose is to try and wind folk up. Sad existence. 
 

Every Hearts fan smarting at a late defeat but your first thought is to have a go  at “Naisy fan boys”. Sad bit at least you’ll be proved right when he gets the bullet and that’s the important thing. 

Edited October 29, 2023 by Agentjambo

[Mirror]

6 minutes ago, OTT said:

 

Its about having 11 points from 9 games. Its a pathetic return no matter how you carve it up. 

 

At the end of the day, we were handed a great start fixture wise which would have cushioned us during this period. Instead, we're barely treading water. 

We played our 10th league game today.

[Agentjambo]

5 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

It does when your only purpose is to try and wind folk up. Sad existence. 
 

Every Hearts fan smarting at a late defeat but your first thought is to have a go  at “Naisy fan boys”. Sad bit at least you’ll be proved right when he gets the bullet and that’s the important thing. 

Oh I’m smarting…like I was smarting after the other 7 matches we have lost this season…sadly it’s a results driven business and the buck stops with the manager/coach.

[boag1874]

5 minutes ago, Agentjambo said:

They did.

Dodging the question tells me all I need to know.

[Lone Striker]

4 minutes ago, OTT said:

 

Its about having 11 points from 9 games. Its a pathetic return no matter how you carve it up. 

 

At the end of the day, we were handed a great start fixture wise which would have cushioned us during this period. Instead, we're barely treading water. 

 

I agree, but the point I'm making is that no-one should be fired purely based  on "the next match" alone.  If anything. today's performance was better than expected - especially the 1st half - and despite some weird late substitutions, a  defeat at Ibrox like that shouldn't realistically be a sackable  offence.

 

JJ would have been long gone before 1998 if that was the criteria. 

    

1 minute ago, Uncle Buck said:

He literally subbed a whole midfield that were playing well and getting some joy first half. And dropping Vargas back in to midfield just invited pressure and isolated Shankland. His use of subs are shocking.

Yes, I really hate how managers  do stuff like that.   Vargas is a great runner with decent ball control - we should be using him for an out-ball up near the half-way line to relieve some pressure on the defence.  

 

 

[GinRummy]

2 minutes ago, Agentjambo said:

Oh I’m smarting…like I was smarting after the other 7 matches we have lost this season…sadly it’s a results driven business and the buck stops with the manager/coach.

Not the Naisy fan boys then. Definitely the manager?

[sac]

42 minutes ago, Agentjambo said:

Oh I’m smarting…like I was smarting after the other 7 matches we have lost this season…sadly it’s a results driven business and the buck stops with the manager/coach.

Nope, players get managers the sack, it’s mistake after mistake that’s costing us, just look at our last three games.

[GinRummy]

4 minutes ago, sac said:

Nope, players get managers the sack, it’s mistake after mistake that’s costing us, just look at our last three games.

It’s not really been from players who haven’t made mistakes before. If I had to pick a player in our whole squad that would blunder and cost us a goal it would be Sibbick. Yet he’s still here and playing every week. That’s an error of judgement. Might not be Naismith’s but it’s someone’s. The same player is now a right back. Why? Because we started the season with one RB and he got injured. That’s someone’s fault as well. 

Edited October 29, 2023 by GinRummy

[pettigrewsstylist]

They have been at the helm for nearly 7 months including a summer transfer window.

Something like 27 games,  including 4 friendlies.

I think this may be as good as it gets tbh.

No shame in todays result, as dissapointing as it was.

Wednesday should see confidence flowing and it really needs to be a performance. 

 

[Ricardo Quaresma]

19 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

It’s not really been from players who haven’t made mistakes before. If I had to pick a player in our whole squad that would blunder and cost us a goal it would be Sibbick. Yet he’s still here and playing every week. That’s an error of judgement. Might not be Naismith’s but it’s someone’s. The same player is now a right back. Why? Because we started the season with one RB and he got injured. That’s someone’s fault as well. 

 

Started a thread about needing a free agent defender or two a few weeks ago mate

 

Hasn't changed and been reinforced last 3 games

[GinRummy]

Just now, Ricardo Quaresma said:

 

Started a thread about needing a free agent defender or two a few weeks ago mate

 

Hasn't changed and been reinforced last 3 games

Agreed, though would have been easier during transfer window. I was shocked we started the season with one Rb

[Ricardo Quaresma]

14 minutes ago, pettigrewsstylist said:

They have been at the helm for nearly 7 months including a summer transfer window.

Something like 27 games,  including 4 friendlies.

I think this may be as good as it gets tbh.

No shame in todays result, as dissapointing as it was.

Wednesday should see confidence flowing and it really needs to be a performance. 

 

 

I just like to cut the crap and wipe the slate in these situations and I count from the sheep home game

[Ricardo Quaresma]

1 minute ago, GinRummy said:

Agreed, though would have been easier during transfer window. I was shocked we started the season with one Rb

 

I don't know how it can be justified and can surely only be explained by a budget constraint

 

We've been making it hard on coaching staff since last summer and I really resent this

 

Us fans have suffered a hell of a lot from mistakes from players that should be fringe contenders

[Ministryofdad]

63 days until transfer window. 

It's time to get a manager in NOW. 

Midweek at home to livi

Semi final in 7 days. 

Wouldn't even give him it. 

Bin and get in a manager. 

Not a coach a manager. 

[Ricardo Quaresma]

1 minute ago, Ministryofdad said:

63 days until transfer window. 

It's time to get a manager in NOW. 

Midweek at home to livi

Semi final in 7 days. 

Wouldn't even give him it. 

Bin and get in a manager. 

Not a coach a manager. 

 

Shut up

[Hearts1975]

6 minutes ago, Ricardo Quaresma said:

 

Shut up

It doesn't matter now. Some posters won't rest until he is gone and their life is revolving around willing the situation and defeats to increase, so it gets to a point of no return, and they can either be proved right, or get their own way and get him out the door. 

 

Every single Jambo I know, who doesn't rate Naismith, and I'm sure there are a good number on here as well, but every single one of them want him to turn it around so Hearts start to turn the corner. 

 

 

 

 

[sac]

14 minutes ago, Ministryofdad said:

63 days until transfer window. 

It's time to get a manager in NOW. 

Midweek at home to livi

Semi final in 7 days. 

Wouldn't even give him it. 

Bin and get in a manager. 

Not a coach a manager. 

Who? You or some of the other KB experts on here.

[Agentjambo]

2 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said:

It doesn't matter now. Some posters won't rest until he is gone and their life is revolving around willing the situation and defeats to increase, so it gets to a point of no return, and they can either be proved right, or get their own way and get him out the door. 

 

Every single Jambo I know, who doesn't rate Naismith, and I'm sure there are a good number on here as well, but every single one of them want him to turn it around so Hearts start to turn the corner. 

 

 

 

 

Whats he going to do differently to turn it around?

[Hearts1975]

2 minutes ago, Agentjambo said:

Whats he going to do differently to turn it around?

That wasn't the point I was making mate but you knew that anyway 

 

[Agentjambo]

7 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said:

That wasn't the point I was making mate but you knew that anyway 

 

I’m asking you a straightforward question.

[Ministryofdad]

17 minutes ago, sac said:

Who? You or some of the other KB experts on here.

You happy about that today like 

[Ministryofdad]

31 minutes ago, Ricardo Quaresma said:

 

Shut up

 

19 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said:

It doesn't matter now. Some posters won't rest until he is gone and their life is revolving around willing the situation and defeats to increase, so it gets to a point of no return, and they can either be proved right, or get their own way and get him out the door. 

 

Every single Jambo I know, who doesn't rate Naismith, and I'm sure there are a good number on here as well, but every single one of them want him to turn it around so Hearts start to turn the corner. 

 

 

 

 

As a player the boy had something about him.
As a manager.
Guff.

Naysmith, as the manager of Heart of Midlothian football club been infulance by total charlatans in the names of frankie mcavoy and Gordon Forrest.
Forrest being a hangover from the Levein and Neilson failure.
All 3 of them finished 15th in the lowland league.
Below amateur outfit Gala Fairydean.

You would have to be a fairy to believe managing a professional football club as big as hearts was going to ever be a success.

The failure lies at the boardroom and at the hands of Andrew McKinlay and Ann Budge.

Hearts are not run as a football club.
Run as a business on paper.

As nigel clough once said we are amazing on paper.
However football is played on grass

[Hearts1975]

10 minutes ago, Agentjambo said:

I’m asking you a straightforward question.

I'm still supporting him. Im not doing any U turns yet because I just think he hasn't had enough time. 

 

I also think that McAvoy, and Forrest ain't a proper backroom team, and possibly not of Naismith's own choice, and when a manager gets the sack, he takes his team with him and they aren't left hanging around the building to get attached on to the next guy. 

 

I also think that the head coach Frankie affair, regardless of the UEFA debacle was an absolute farce and caused a hell of a lot of incohesion in terms of who was accountable for what 

 

I fully recognise things have to improve and I also recognise he has to get points on the board and quickly otherwise we are going to be cut off from achieving our objectives. That said, I am positive he will know this as well. 

 

There have been good performances, but it isn't consistent enough and that's the bottom line

I'm hoping now he is now the designated manager he is fully calling the shots and we never have to endure a situation where we allocate management roles to anyone amd their dog, just to satisfy UEFA 

Edited October 29, 2023 by Hearts1975

[Agentjambo]

2 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said:

I'm still supporting him. Im not doing any U turns yet because I just think he hasn't had enough time. 

 

I also think that McAvoy, and Forrest ain't a proper backroom team, and possibly not of Naismith's own choice, and when a manager gets the sack, he takes his team with him and they aren't left hanging around the building to get attached on to the next guy. 

 

I also think that the head coach Frankie affair, regardless of the UEFA debacle was an absolute farce and caused a hell of a lot of incohesion in terms of who was accountable for what 

 

I fully recognise things have to improve and I also recognise he has to get points on the board and quickly otherwise we are going to be cut off from a giving our objectives.

 

There have been good performances, but it isn't consistent enough and that's the bottom line

I'm hoping now he is now the designated manager he is fully calling the shots and we never have to endure a situation where we allocate management roles to anyone amd their dog, just to satisfy UEFA 

How long would you give him to turn it around?

 

[Hearts1975]

6 minutes ago, Ministryofdad said:

 

As a player the boy had something about him.
As a manager.
Guff.

Naysmith, as the manager of Heart of Midlothian football club been infulance by total charlatans in the names of frankie mcavoy and Gordon Forrest.
Forrest being a hangover from the Levein and Neilson failure.
All 3 of them finished 15th in the lowland league.
Below amateur outfit Gala Fairydean.

You would have to be a fairy to believe managing a professional football club as big as hearts was going to ever be a success.

The failure lies at the boardroom and at the hands of Andrew McKinlay and Ann Budge.

Hearts are not run as a football club.
Run as a business on paper.

As nigel clough once said we are amazing on paper.
However football is played on grass

So, take your Ire out on the board then. I don't necessarily disagree with some of what you have said but it's turned into a bit of a witch hunt where Naismith is concerned 

 

I'm glad you have the confidence that If Naismith gets the bullet that they will get it right next time around. I don't share your confidence where that's concerned so would rather persevere and hopefully he gets us moving forward 

[Carter]

3 hours ago, Ricardo Quaresma said:

 

What a shitty comment

Worst case scenario we leave there with a point. Reminded me of the 1988 semi final. Not a nice memory either. 

[frankblack]

8 minutes ago, Ministryofdad said:

 

As a player the boy had something about him.
As a manager.
Guff.

Naysmith, as the manager of Heart of Midlothian football club been infulance by total charlatans in the names of frankie mcavoy and Gordon Forrest.
Forrest being a hangover from the Levein and Neilson failure.
All 3 of them finished 15th in the lowland league.
Below amateur outfit Gala Fairydean.

You would have to be a fairy to believe managing a professional football club as big as hearts was going to ever be a success.

The failure lies at the boardroom and at the hands of Andrew McKinlay and Ann Budge.

Hearts are not run as a football club.
Run as a business on paper.

As nigel clough once said we are amazing on paper.
However football is played on grass

 

What was the average age of that Lowland team vs their opponents?  It was young apprentices vs men was it not?

 

I didn't think the appointment of them as the management team was right but most of what you posted was inaccurate or exaggerated based on your assumptions.

[Hearts1975]

9 minutes ago, Agentjambo said:

How long would you give him to turn it around?

 

Any astute board should always be looking, and assessing. On paper anyway. 

He has to be given until the turn of the year. 

The only caveat I would have is that if we start slipping away, between now and then, then the board may have to step in and act 

We are talking about sacking a guy 10 games into the new season. Forget the intern period. That was his trial 

If we sack him now we also set potentially a very unrealistic bar (10 games) where If the next manager starts out slowly, he is chucked in the skip as well 

 

The last point concerns me more than anything else if I'm honest 

Edited October 29, 2023 by Hearts1975

[Drumjambo]

Would you trust this board to come up with a decent manager??  Yer having a laugh !!

 

There's plenty needing sorted at Hearts before firing another manager 

 

Id say chief exec and the board must go first or at least with him if that's the call. No 

 

Thought we did ok first half but tried to park the bus 2nd defended wave after wave and undone by all accounts by yet another soft penalty (it was at the other end from us )that's 2 in two weeks. quelle surprise 

 

If McKinlay was brought in to repair our relationship wi the weegie SFA its simply not bearing any fruit 

 

Top of Fat boys list should be refereeing standards as well as calling this perennial shite out!  - stone wall foul on haring in front of us 95th minute play on the same foul they were given countless times it beyond laughable !!!

 

We could also do with pushing the boat out to back the boy charged with finding players and pay them what they want certainly before building a ****ing hotel and stuffing more cash in to certain folks pockets 

 

We are a football club ffs and it seems a rudderless one to me

[soonbe110]

2 hours ago, GinRummy said:

It’s not really been from players who haven’t made mistakes before. If I had to pick a player in our whole squad that would blunder and cost us a goal it would be Sibbick. Yet he’s still here and playing every week. That’s an error of judgement. Might not be Naismith’s but it’s someone’s. The same player is now a right back. Why? Because we started the season with one RB and he got injured. That’s someone’s fault as well. 

Manager picks the team I think.  Sibbick is currently a bombscare, Grant is never a wide, left midfielder, Vargas isn’t good enough based on form to date yet all three start at Ibrox. Manager picks the team I think.  If the squad doesn’t have good enough players to cover for a few injuries that’s probably a recruitment issue and we are told the manager picks the players we sign. Looks to me we are in the midst of a project that’s not working  

[soonbe110]

1 hour ago, Hearts1975 said:

It doesn't matter now. Some posters won't rest until he is gone and their life is revolving around willing the situation and defeats to increase, so it gets to a point of no return, and they can either be proved right, or get their own way and get him out the door. 

 

Every single Jambo I know, who doesn't rate Naismith, and I'm sure there are a good number on here as well, but every single one of them want him to turn it around so Hearts start to turn the corner. 

 

 

 

 

How does he turn it around? How long does he get to turn it around? 

[Vlad Magic]

In answer to the OP

 

No.

 

Many people on here have literally been screaming for us to go to the OF and “have a go”. 
“show some desire”

”get stuck in”

 

We did that today and should have at least taken a point. 
 

I think we are on the cusp of something not seen in a long time.

 

A team the OF fear.

 

Rangers were rattled today. Beaton and his team saved them.

[Bazzas right boot]

1 hour ago, Ministryofdad said:

63 days until transfer window. 

It's time to get a manager in NOW. 

Midweek at home to livi

Semi final in 7 days. 

Wouldn't even give him it. 

Bin and get in a manager. 

Not a coach a manager. 

 

Who is this mystery man that will improve us instantly?

[Mirror]

1 minute ago, Vlad Magic said:

In answer to the OP

 

No.

 

Many people on here have literally been screaming for us to go to the OF and “have a go”. 
“show some desire”

”get stuck in”

 

We did that today and should have at least taken a point. 
 

I think we are on the cusp of something not seen in a long time.

 

A team the OF fear.

 

Rangers were rattled today. Beaton and his team saved them.

I'll agree with you that we likely deserved a point today and failing individual errors and bad luck we might have got all 3 but we have 11 points from 10 games and we're closer to the bottom of the league than the top - they don't have anything to fear when they play us the results speak for themselves. When we play play the OF its men against boys. 

 

We have assembled a team of average players, a management team that struggles to get the team to perform or even play for 90mins and we have a board that care more about the non-footballing side of the business. 

[Bazzas right boot]

6 minutes ago, Vlad Magic said:

In answer to the OP

 

No.

 

Many people on here have literally been screaming for us to go to the OF and “have a go”. 
“show some desire”

”get stuck in”

 

We did that today and should have at least taken a point. 
 

I think we are on the cusp of something not seen in a long time.

 

A team the OF fear.

 

Rangers were rattled today. Beaton and his team saved them.

 

I wanna believe that but atm St mirren and Motherwell don't fear us.

 

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

7 minutes ago, Vlad Magic said:

In answer to the OP

 

No.

 

Many people on here have literally been screaming for us to go to the OF and “have a go”. 
“show some desire”

”get stuck in”

 

We did that today and should have at least taken a point. 
 

I think we are on the cusp of something not seen in a long time.

 

A team the OF fear.

 

Rangers were rattled today. Beaton and his team saved them.

Are you having a laugh?

[Vlad Magic]

6 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Are you having a laugh?

We will see. 
 

 

[Nelly Terraces]

Whether they should or not is increasingly looking pretty academic & that they will within the next few weeks unless there is a sudden upturn in both performances & more importantly, results.

[The Real Maroonblood]

Just now, Vlad Magic said:

We will see. 
 

 

Okay.

[Mirror]

Just now, Nelly Terraces said:

Whether they should or not is increasingly looking pretty academic & that they will within the next few weeks unless there is a sudden upturn in both performances & more importantly, results.

November looks like we could get a few points but alot of us thought that when we saw the fixtures for the start of the season. 

 

Probably best not to look at December, it's going to be like deja vu on here during then. 

[Hearts1975]

1 hour ago, soonbe110 said:

How does he turn it around? How long does he get to turn it around? 

Pretty much got asked the exact same questions, by someone else, and I answered them at the top of the page. 

 

No point in repeating the answer 

[innerjambo]

Naismith isn't the real problem. The real problem is, our players aren't quite good enough, not by a long shot. 

Would an experienced manager get more out of them? Perhaps, but not much more.

Our performances are mostly embarrassing, occasionally hopefully, until we collapse, or run out of ideas. What's the answer.......**** knows, but it's a really depressing state of affairs!!!!

[Romulus]

One thing I had really hoped to see from Naismith since coming in, is a distinctive style of play. Players all knowing their jobs and even when injuries, subs etc occur, each player knows exactly what role they will play and what they are expected to do.

 

Perhaps lack of suitable players is a factor, however, I still don’t see what style of football we are trying to implement. The recruitment has also felt a bit scattered rather than consistent types of players or characters.

[BervieJambo]

6 minutes ago, Mort said:

One thing I had really hoped to see from Naismith since coming in, is a distinctive style of play. Players all knowing their jobs and even when injuries, subs etc occur, each player knows exactly what role they will play and what they are expected to do.

 

Perhaps lack of suitable players is a factor, however, I still don’t see what style of football we are trying to implement. The recruitment has also felt a bit scattered rather than consistent types of players or characters.

This just doesn’t happen overnight, it takes a quite long time. Look at the B team last season… quite poor until Feb/March then they start getting the results as they get to grips with the style of play and it has carried on into this season even after Naismith has moved on to the first team. I think if we’re patient, it will come, but we have to ride out the storm and the pant wetters first.

[Ricardo Quaresma]

5 hours ago, Carter said:

Worst case scenario we leave there with a point. Reminded me of the 1988 semi final. Not a nice memory either. 

 

At 1 up I still would have taken a point but however sore it is to take, we didn't expect anything before kick-off

 

Shirt tugging under those circumstances is absolutely hysterically bad

 

Nobody coaches people to do that, the guy is nearly 30; the manager cannot be blamed for that; the correct thing to do is nothing when the alternative is what he did

[Luckies1874]

4 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Are you having a laugh?

 

This boy is beyond parody. 

[gregzy2k7]

Fails to win against livi in midweek and there is no way back for Naismith. Hate saying it but I would actually rather we didn't win to paper over any more cracks. The guy needs to go, he is a complete and utter bottle merchant and is gonna have us firmly in the bottom 6 if not relegated. 

[Vlad Magic]

6 hours ago, gregzy2k7 said:

Fails to win against livi in midweek and there is no way back for Naismith. Hate saying it but I would actually rather we didn't win to paper over any more cracks. The guy needs to go, he is a complete and utter bottle merchant and is gonna have us firmly in the bottom 6 if not relegated. 

Oh my.

[Class of 75]

6 hours ago, gregzy2k7 said:

Fails to win against livi in midweek and there is no way back for Naismith. Hate saying it but I would actually rather we didn't win to paper over any more cracks. The guy needs to go, he is a complete and utter bottle merchant and is gonna have us firmly in the bottom 6 if not relegated. 

Totally agree. Unfortunately this is the way it's going. Season 19/20 all over again.