Should Naismith , Mcavoy and Forrest be sacked?

[Carter]

Worst case scenario you take the penalty hit and get out with a point. This collective group are weak sadly. You just knew what was coming and we seldom disappoint. 

[Ricardo Quaresma]

1 minute ago, Carter said:

Worst case scenario you take the penalty hit and get out with a point. This collective group are weak sadly. You just knew what was coming and we seldom disappoint. 

 

What a shitty comment

[Fejka]

1 minute ago, Mirror said:

How many points does a good performance give you?

 

Football is all about results and we're great at not getting any.

How does a manager legislate for a player giving away a penalty in the last minute. It goes without saying that we shouldn’t give any team, let alone Rangers at Ibrox the chance for a penalty in the 90th minute. Even if Naismith only instruction to Haring before he got on to the pitch was don’t give away a penalty he was going to do it any way. Not Naismith fault.

[basscom]

1 minute ago, jockmac said:

What are you talking about, what performance, it was park the bus in front of our goals, kick it anywhere and wait for it coming back again.

 

Bloody hell, you’re easily pleased

As expected as well. 
 

Other option is to go for them and get hammered. 
 

As I’ve said, I’ve been critical of SN most of the season but he got it right today. 
 

Should’ve got the win if Haring didn’t give away that penalty.

[RustyRightPeg]

Hard to blame Naismith today. When your senior pro does stupid stuff like that while being 3 yards off his man you’re up against it. Only one team was going to win after that especially with the magic 9 minutes added on. 

[Russ1977]

2 minutes ago, jockmac said:

What are you talking about, what performance, it was park the bus in front of our goals, kick it anywhere and wait for it coming back again.

 

Bloody hell, you’re easily pleased

First half was positive. We defended well and actually passed the ball about pretty well at times. 2nd half was exactly as you describe but even at that it took a moment of madness by Haring to screw it up. 

[spirt of 98]

1 minute ago, Ricardo Quaresma said:

 

What a shitty comment

Shitty but true. Weak bunch. 

[1971fozzy]

Wasn’t on Naismith today but it’s a defeat. Brain fart from Haring and corrupt officials were the problem today.

I expected a 4 or 5 goal capitulation so was pleasantly surprised but that was gutting.

it’s still a defeat but I’m not blaming SN today

[Gordon Ramsay]

0 points again. 

[feej]

2 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said:

Hard to blame Naismith today. When your senior pro does stupid stuff like that while being 3 yards off his man you’re up against it. Only one team was going to win after that especially with the magic 9 minutes added on. 

At the end of the day no points again, we're just not good enough. Give Naismith some backing in January to bring in guys that are braver on the ball.

Edited October 29, 2023 by feej

[The Real Maroonblood]

11 minutes ago, Leveins Battalion said:

 

How has he bought himself time?

 

He's had 23 games and won 8.

 

Absolutely brutal stuff.

Exactly. 

Nothing has changed. 

 

[Ricardo Quaresma]

Just now, spirt of 98 said:

Shitty but true. Weak bunch. 

 

There's always one that screws it up, I'll say that

 

More quality needed; 3 or 4 windows failing to address problem areas

[RustyRightPeg]

Nothing changes though. 
 

Martindale sets his team up to batter us physically on Wednesday and we lose, simple. Shitebags on the pitch and in the board room. 

[spirt of 98]

Just now, Ricardo Quaresma said:

 

There's always one that screws it up, I'll say that

 

More quality needed; 3 or 4 windows failing to address problem areas

Yip we need a clear out of the ones with no hart! 
 

 

[spirt of 98]

Haring has ran his race. He’s well off the pace these days.

 

On a positive note Beni showed glimmers of his former self. Clearly just needs games. 

[jambogaza]

That was 100% on individuals, not the manager.

 

With that said, nothing has changed. Livi remains a must win game. Anything less could well mean removal.

[Ricardo Quaresma]

1 minute ago, spirt of 98 said:

Yip we need a clear out of the ones with no hart!

 

Honestly think a bit more depth and quality and we're a great team

[Ricardo Quaresma]

1 minute ago, spirt of 98 said:

Haring has ran his race. He’s well off the pace these days.

 

On a positive note Beni showed glimmers of his former self. Clearly just needs games. 

 

Good amount of minutes today, probably start from bench on Wednesday to finish them off

 

1 minute ago, jambogaza said:

That was 100% on individuals, not the manager.

 

With that said, nothing has changed. Livi remains a must win game. Anything less could well mean removal.

 

Got my main stand ticket

[red]

7 minutes ago, basscom said:

Naismith has bought himself some time with that performance. 
 

Last two games at Ibrox have been better than most the past ten years. 
 

Tough one to take…

Nah I'm not having that, Rangers were rotten first half - really really poor and it was normal service 2nd half. 

 

Tough one to take yes but only because of the timing of goals. 

 

We played 'pretty well' nothing spectacular in the first half.

 

one shot on target, 5 in total against 28 from Rangers. 

 

This wasn't a bad performance but nothing changes for me, Naismith is out his depth 

[All roads lead to Gorgie]

Immediately for throwing away a lead so late in the game. This is not working at all and we are going to be fighting to stay in the league if we think we are better than the teams around us right now. Naismith has failed to toughen up the team to the extent I expected to see when I was backing his appointment last season. 

[Hansel]

3 minutes ago, jambogaza said:

That was 100% on individuals, not the manager.

 

With that said, nothing has changed. Livi remains a must win game. Anything less could well mean removal.

Reckon you're right about that

[Ricardo Quaresma]

Just now, red said:

Nah I'm not having that, Rangers were rotten first half - really really poor and it was normal service 2nd half. 

 

Tough one to take yes but only because of the timing of goals. 

 

We played 'pretty well' nothing spectacular in the first half.

 

one shot on target, 5 in total against 28 from Rangers. 

 

This wasn't a bad performance but nothing changes for me, Naismith is out his depth 

 

That wasn't an 'out of his depth' manager today; nonsense

[HeartsandonlyHearts]

The usual suspects. Sad sacks anyone on here blaming coaching for that result today. Weirdos. Get a life.

[pettigrewsstylist]

8 minutes ago, feej said:

At the end of the day no points again, we're just not good enough. Give Naismith some backing in January to bring in guys that are braver on the ball.

Why will that window produce better than the one just gone? Serious question.

[rudi must stay]

Yes they should

[Weebroon98]

7 minutes ago, jambogaza said:

That was 100% on individuals, not the manager.

 

With that said, nothing has changed. Livi remains a must win game. Anything less could well mean removal.

This 

[boag1874]

Can’t pin that on Naismith, 1st half really good, textbook on how to play away against the OF. 2nd half was backs to the wall, nobody wants to see us do it but sometimes it’s necessary especially through there.  We showed so much heart with how we defended then an experienced senior pro who’s been here longer than anyone else in the squad & played in loads of these fixtures chucks the game away with a moment of total stupidity. 
 

Edit; not saying any of that changes anything, midweek is the make or break & anything less than 3 point’s should be the end of him

Edited October 29, 2023 by boag1874

[Gizmo]

We need more of the same (first-half). Do that and we will win plenty of matches. 

But we definitely need a couple of reliable squad players in January. 

Let's see if Naismith can get some consistency in the other games. 

[feej]

Just now, pettigrewsstylist said:

Why will that window produce better than the one just gone? Serious question.

It may not but it may throw up some options.

Naismith can now see that individual errors are really costing us over and over,  he should know who he can trust and who he can't so the focus should be on replacing those individuals.

I'm absolutely gutted, we handed them that on a plate again.

[Agentjambo]

The Naisy fanboys looking to blame the result on a stone wall penalty and Haring the scapegoat…🙄

[spirt of 98]

13 minutes ago, Ricardo Quaresma said:

 

Honestly think a bit more depth and quality and we're a great team

How long have we been saying this though. 

[Rudi cant fail]

He’s bringing on players that have barely kicked a ball all season. Halliday has played less than 20 mins all season and haring hasn’t played in weeks. Not all his fault as he can only work with the tools he’s got, but we’re not just talking about one game here, his record since he he took over is an extremely poor. His subs cost us 2 points against Hibs too. 2 massive games that we have lost 2 rapid goals to turn 6 points into one. Joe savage has come out and said he’s not responsible for pinpointing what we need and that the manager tells him what he wants, and he and his recruitment team go away and look at options. either one of them or both are responsible for the squad we have. As a collective results don’t lie, we either have a squad full of players that are just not good enough or a manager who can’t get the best out of his players. Personally as things stand  I don’t think there is anyone in that team that I would be gutted to lose. I’ll echo what others say though, I’m not sure I trust this board to bring in the right person. 

[GinRummy]

18 minutes ago, Gordon Ramsay said:

0 points again. 

Bottom line. If we won against Kilmarnock and Motherwell at home and got at least a point at Dundee then it’s a different narrative. Nearly winning doesn’t cut the mustard at this stage. 

[Ricardo Quaresma]

1 minute ago, spirt of 98 said:

How long have we been saying this though. 

 

We'll get there

[GinRummy]

1 minute ago, Agentjambo said:

The Naisy fanboys looking to blame the result on a stone wall penalty and Haring the scapegoat…🙄

You’re being a touch moronic. Naismith didn’t grab a hun shirt with two minutes of normal time to play. Naismith will be gone soon enough but it won’t be because of wind up merchants like you that only come on here to feel superior to fellow fans. 

[Lone Striker]

23 minutes ago, liam11 said:

Nearly got it right today to be fair to them. Doesn’t relieve any pressure whatsoever though.

 

I wish they would realise that enforced substitutions doesn’t mean we have to make 3 or 4 further alterations to the defence to make it work. Done it against Hibs and at it again today

Agree with this.  Now that 5 subs are allowed, its too tempting for managers to tinker with formations during the game regardless of whether players are playing well or not.      Taking someone off who is playing well just to accommodate some fancy tactical change elsewhere is just  b0ll0cks.     

[Mister T]

Hard one. I'd give him a bit more time. But I'm talking weeks. Two tops.

[Agentjambo]

3 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

You’re being a touch moronic. Naismith didn’t grab a hun shirt with two minutes of normal time to play. Naismith will be gone soon enough but it won’t be because of wind up merchants like you that only come on here to feel superior to fellow fans. 

Setting up with a back 5 in the second half inviting pressure is a management/coaching issue…sorry.

[jambo007]

Given the performance of the officials ,let us know which Manager would or could win at Ibrox , over 30years many have tried ,few have won .! Games outside the old firm we need to win .

[OTT]

1 minute ago, Mister T said:

Hard one. I'd give him a bit more time. But I'm talking weeks. Two tops.

 

I'm still miles from convinced. 

 

Beat them in the semi final and I'll shut up. (edit: I realise this is an impossible task as those orc ****s aren't allowed to lose with the constant stream of Orc fans that seem to be referees). 

 

Bare minimum, he needs to beat Livi to keep the fan rage controllable. 

Edited October 29, 2023 by OTT

[GinRummy]

Just now, Agentjambo said:

Setting up with a back 5 in the second half inviting pressure is a management/coaching issue…sorry.

No need to apologise to me. Just apologise for your mocking comments in the post before. You’re absolutely delighted we got beat so you can bang your drum. 

[Mirror]

7 minutes ago, Rudi cant fail said:

He’s bringing on players that have barely kicked a ball all season. Halliday has played less than 20 mins all season and haring hasn’t played in weeks. Not all his fault as he can only work with the tools he’s got, but we’re not just talking about one game here, his record since he he took over is an extremely poor. His subs cost us 2 points against Hibs too. 2 massive games that we have lost 2 rapid goals to turn 6 points into one. Joe savage has come out and said he’s not responsible for pinpointing what we need and that the manager tells him what he wants, and he and his recruitment team go away and look at options. either one of them or both are responsible for the squad we have. As a collective results don’t lie, we either have a squad full of players that are just not good enough or a manager who can’t get the best out of his players. Personally as things stand  I don’t think there is anyone in that team that I would be gutted to lose. I’ll echo what others say though, I’m not sure I trust this board to bring in the right person. 

👏👏👏

[Shooter McGavin]

Whilst today wasn’t exclusively Naismiths fault, we’re just losing too many games under him for this to be viable.

 

Livi is a must win.

[boag1874]

13 minutes ago, Agentjambo said:

The Naisy fanboys looking to blame the result on a stone wall penalty and Haring the scapegoat…🙄

Nothing to do with “Naisy fanboys”. I’m 100% not a “Naisy fanboy” & I can see that was Harings fault.

 

If he doesn’t do that do you think Rangers would have scored?

[boag1874]

1 minute ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Whilst today wasn’t exclusively Naismiths fault, we’re just losing too many games under him for this to be viable.

 

Livi is a must win.

Yup

[Lone Striker]

1 minute ago, OTT said:

 

I'm still miles from convinced. 

 

Beat them in the semi final and I'll shut up. 

 

Bare minimum, he needs to beat Livi to keep the fan rage controllable. 

I understand your point, but  all this  analysis of Naisy  smacks of extreme short-termism.   Fail to beat Livi, sack him.   Beat Livi and lose the semi, sack him....... etc     

 

Basically a heck of a lot of fans refuse to even consider giving him till the end of November before judging his ability to improve the team performances & results.  

 

A new manager coming in could find the same difficulty  winning matches until he gets at least 1 window and  a big transfer budget to play with.

[Agentjambo]

16 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

No need to apologise to me. Just apologise for your mocking comments in the post before. You’re absolutely delighted we got beat so you can bang your drum. 

Truth hurts 🥹

[OTT]

Just now, Lone Striker said:

I understand your point, but  all this  analysis of Naisy  smacks of extreme short-termism.   Fail to beat Livi, sack him.   Beat Livi and lose the semi, sack him....... etc     

 

Basically a heck of a lot of fans refuse to even consider giving him till the end of November before judging his ability to improve the team performances & results.  

 

A new manager coming in could find the same difficulty  winning matches until he gets at least 1 window and  a big transfer budget to play with.

 

Its about having 11 points from 9 games. Its a pathetic return no matter how you carve it up. 

 

At the end of the day, we were handed a great start fixture wise which would have cushioned us during this period. Instead, we're barely treading water. 

[Uncle Buck]

37 minutes ago, HeartsandonlyHearts said:

The usual suspects. Sad sacks anyone on here blaming coaching for that result today. Weirdos. Get a life.

He literally subbed a whole midfield that were playing well and getting some joy first half. And dropping Vargas back in to midfield just invited pressure and isolated Shankland. His use of subs are shocking.

[GinRummy]

1 minute ago, Agentjambo said:

Truth hurts 🥹

It does when your only purpose is to try and wind folk up. Sad existence. 
 

Every Hearts fan smarting at a late defeat but your first thought is to have a go  at “Naisy fan boys”. Sad bit at least you’ll be proved right when he gets the bullet and that’s the important thing.