***Official Heart of Midlothian v Kilmarnock Match Thread***

[Randy Marsh]

4-0 Hearts. Kilmarnock don't like playing on grass. 

[TheBigO]

4 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

Here is some pretty grim reading:

 

Our head to head in the league in the past 35 games going back 13 years.

 

2023   1 April		Premier League	Kilmarnock	2	Heart of Midlothian	1
2022   17 December		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	3	Kilmarnock	1
2022   9 October		Premier League	Kilmarnock	2	Heart of Midlothian	2
2020   5 February		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	2	Kilmarnock	3
2019   23 November		Premier League	Kilmarnock	3	Heart of Midlothian	0
2019   5 October		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	0	Kilmarnock	1
2019   4 May		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	0	Kilmarnock	1
2019   1 February		Premier League	Kilmarnock	1	Heart of Midlothian	2
2018   10 November		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	0	Kilmarnock	1
2018   25 August		Premier League	Kilmarnock	0	Heart of Midlothian	1
2018   13 May		Premier League	Kilmarnock	1	Heart of Midlothian	0
2018   27 February		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	1	Kilmarnock	1
2017   5 November		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	1	Kilmarnock	2
2017   12 August		Premier League	Kilmarnock	0	Heart of Midlothian	1
2017   14 April		Premier League	Kilmarnock	0	Heart of Midlothian	0
2016   27 December		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	4	Kilmarnock	0
2016   26 October		Premier League	Kilmarnock	2	Heart of Midlothian	0
2016   27 February		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	1	Kilmarnock	0
2016   2 January		Premier League	Kilmarnock	2	Heart of Midlothian	2
2015   3 October		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	1	Kilmarnock	1
2014   4 May		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	5	Kilmarnock	0
2014   8 March		Premier League	Kilmarnock	4	Heart of Midlothian	2
2013   26 December		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	0	Kilmarnock	4
2013   26 October		Premier League	Kilmarnock	2	Heart of Midlothian	0
2013   20 April		Premier League	Kilmarnock	0	Heart of Midlothian	1
2013   16 February		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	0	Kilmarnock	3
2012   26 December		Premier League	Kilmarnock	1	Heart of Midlothian	0
2012   29 September		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	1	Kilmarnock	3
2012   11 February		Premier League	Kilmarnock	1	Heart of Midlothian	1
2011   29 October		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	0	Kilmarnock	1
2011   21 August		Premier League	Kilmarnock	0	Heart of Midlothian	0
2011   30 April		Premier League	Kilmarnock	2	Heart of Midlothian	2
2011   5 March		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	0	Kilmarnock	2
2011 18 January		Premier League	Kilmarnock	1	Heart of Midlothian	2
2010 31 October		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	1	Kilmarnock	0

 

 

 

P	35
W	10
D	8
L	17
F	37
A	48

Ooft, are we Kilmarnock's HIbs!?!?!!?

 

Let's get this sorted.  Starting Sunday.

[GinRummy]

1 minute ago, pettigrewsstylist said:

Not sure Devlins performance last night keeps other out.

A few other folk are saying the same and I’m coming round to their way of thinking. He brings an energy but hasn’t been at his best for a while. Calem or Halliday the other options if we assume Haring will start? I don’t think calem is quite ready for the hectic nature of our league but I guess the only way he’ll learn is to play. 

[pettigrewsstylist]

27 minutes ago, StirlingJambo said:

I know where you’re coming from a just don’t see it with Devlin right now. He’s runs out of position a lot during the game and if the opposition get a hold of the ball we’re in trouble. Leaves a massive gap in middle and allows teams for a quick break up the centre of the park.

He will be dissapointed with his performance last night and will try to make amends Sun by totally committing himself. Against Killie battlers thats a recipe for disaster. 

They might even decide to target him for cards.

Benched for me.

[i8hibsh]

5 minutes ago, Randy Marsh said:

4-0 Hearts. Kilmarnock don't like playing on grass. 

 

They have only lost once at Tynie in the past 6 years. 

 

[LarrysRightFoot]

I watched a bit of the Rangers Killie game. 
 

Killie will sit deep, play hoofball and kick and elbow anything in maroon that moves. 
 

We will need to move the ball quickly and sharply. If we do we should be ok. 
 

Edit - I can see us getting a penalty 

Edited August 11, 2023 by LarrysRightFoot

[pettigrewsstylist]

3 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

A few other folk are saying the same and I’m coming round to their way of thinking. He brings an energy but hasn’t been at his best for a while. Calem or Halliday the other options if we assume Haring will start? I don’t think calem is quite ready for the hectic nature of our league but I guess the only way he’ll learn is to play. 

If we have aspirations to build a squad of quality and avoid last yrs injury dramas then you are only as good as youre last game/s.

Dont know how you tell subs from last night that they didnt do enough. They watched that 1st half close up.

Tricky one, I like Cammy but....

[DC_92]

Just now, i8hibsh said:

 

They have only lost once at Tynie in the past 6 years. 

 

They've only played there twice in the last 3.5 years. Meaningless.

[i8hibsh]

1 minute ago, DC_92 said:

 

They've only played there twice in the last 3.5 years. Meaningless.

 

 

OK. They have only lost once in the past 7 games at Tynecastle going back 6 years.

[Randy Marsh]

3 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

They have only lost once at Tynie in the past 6 years. 

 

Kilmarnock didn't win an away match till April last season. That's a better stat.😜

[MattyK82]

15 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

Here is some pretty grim reading:

 

Our head to head in the league in the past 35 games going back 13 years.

 

2023   1 April		Premier League	Kilmarnock	2	Heart of Midlothian	1
2022   17 December		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	3	Kilmarnock	1
2022   9 October		Premier League	Kilmarnock	2	Heart of Midlothian	2
2020   5 February		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	2	Kilmarnock	3
2019   23 November		Premier League	Kilmarnock	3	Heart of Midlothian	0
2019   5 October		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	0	Kilmarnock	1
2019   4 May		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	0	Kilmarnock	1
2019   1 February		Premier League	Kilmarnock	1	Heart of Midlothian	2
2018   10 November		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	0	Kilmarnock	1
2018   25 August		Premier League	Kilmarnock	0	Heart of Midlothian	1
2018   13 May		Premier League	Kilmarnock	1	Heart of Midlothian	0
2018   27 February		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	1	Kilmarnock	1
2017   5 November		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	1	Kilmarnock	2
2017   12 August		Premier League	Kilmarnock	0	Heart of Midlothian	1
2017   14 April		Premier League	Kilmarnock	0	Heart of Midlothian	0
2016   27 December		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	4	Kilmarnock	0
2016   26 October		Premier League	Kilmarnock	2	Heart of Midlothian	0
2016   27 February		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	1	Kilmarnock	0
2016   2 January		Premier League	Kilmarnock	2	Heart of Midlothian	2
2015   3 October		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	1	Kilmarnock	1
2014   4 May		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	5	Kilmarnock	0
2014   8 March		Premier League	Kilmarnock	4	Heart of Midlothian	2
2013   26 December		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	0	Kilmarnock	4
2013   26 October		Premier League	Kilmarnock	2	Heart of Midlothian	0
2013   20 April		Premier League	Kilmarnock	0	Heart of Midlothian	1
2013   16 February		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	0	Kilmarnock	3
2012   26 December		Premier League	Kilmarnock	1	Heart of Midlothian	0
2012   29 September		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	1	Kilmarnock	3
2012   11 February		Premier League	Kilmarnock	1	Heart of Midlothian	1
2011   29 October		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	0	Kilmarnock	1
2011   21 August		Premier League	Kilmarnock	0	Heart of Midlothian	0
2011   30 April		Premier League	Kilmarnock	2	Heart of Midlothian	2
2011   5 March		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	0	Kilmarnock	2
2011 18 January		Premier League	Kilmarnock	1	Heart of Midlothian	2
2010 31 October		Premier League	Heart of Midlothian	1	Kilmarnock	0

 

 

 

P	35
W	10
D	8
L	17
F	37
A	48

Beat them last match mind - like St J away, let’s keep the roll going 😎

[Absolute Scenes]

absolute zero fear

Get in a pump them silly Hearts

[jambopilms]

They will be well organised and we will struggle to break them down. Early goal would really help thing go well 

[Randy Marsh]

1 minute ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

OK. They have only lost once in the past 7 games at Tynecastle going back 6 years.

And most recent match. Excellent. 👌

[Luckies1874]

Here's a shout that I know not everyone will agree with but I'd try it. Given the options in central midfield right now and games coming thick and fast for a few weeks why not put Sibbick in there beside Haring. Atkinson has started the season well and the central defenders are set, at least until Halkett returns, so give Toby some game time

 

Clare

 

Atkinson  Kent  Rowles  Kingsley

 

Sibbick  Haring 

Lowry

 

Oda   Shankland  Tagawa

 

Sibbick is easily as good on the ball as most of the other midfield options and can sit with Haring allowing Lowry to do what he wants going forward. 

[i8hibsh]

1 minute ago, Luckies1874 said:

Here's a shout that I know not everyone will agree with but I'd try it. Given the options in central midfield right now and games coming thick and fast for a few weeks why not put Sibbick in there beside Haring. Atkinson has started the season well and the central defenders are set, at least until Halkett returns, so give Toby some game time

 

Clare

 

Atkinson  Kent  Rowles  Kingsley

 

Sibbick  Haring 

Lowry

 

Oda   Shankland  Tagawa

 

Sibbick is easily as good on the ball as most of the other midfield options and can sit with Haring allowing Lowry to do what he wants going forward. 

 

 

Tbf Clare sounds like she will be better than Zander.

[i8hibsh]

Clark

 

Atkinson

Kent

Sibbick

Kingsley

 

Haring

Hoff

 

Boyce

 

Oda

Shankland

Tagawa

 

 

Keep Rowles and Devlin away from the team and we have a chance.

[Dia Liom]

Devlin Haring Grant midfield three.  

 

Everyone was awful last night till about 80 mins so I’m not being too hard on Devlin, who was also booked early on for a good

tackle.  Even at his worst Devlin is still often worth having in the team to stop us getting overrun.  Cf Lowry who was basically as poor in possession but also offered nothing defensively.

[DxB Hearts]

32 minutes ago, David McCaig said:

 

This is the team I would go for, with Vargas hopefully getting a good 15/20 minutes from the bench and Boyce hopefully getting half an hour.

 

I'd love Vargas to get a run this weekend but judging by the comments of Naismith we'll be giving him plenty of time to settle in.

 

Fingers crossed he's smashing it in training. 

[Valois No1]

2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Tbf Clare sounds like she will be better than Zander.

😀

[DC_92]

3 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

OK. They have only lost once in the past 7 games at Tynecastle going back 6 years.

 

I'm expecting this to be a tough game, but our record at Tynecastle against non-OF teams in the league last season was 12 wins, 2 draws and 1 defeat, including a win over Killie. I expect that's more relevant than how Craig Levein got on against Steve Clarke.

 

[boag1874]

6 hours ago, DxB Hearts said:

 

I'd like to see him in the CM roles and not that 10 position. He was terrible with his back to goal but when the play was Infront of him he picked a couple of nice passes. 

 

Killie at home with Haring next to him and plenty of options going forward now available is the place we need to be giving him time to get up to speed.

 

20 mins here it there (or away in Europe 🤣) isnt going to do players any good getting up to speed. 

Agree, get the Hof further back alongside Haring with a no10 in front of them, let him see the game & run from deep  

[boag1874]

10 minutes ago, Luckies1874 said:

Here's a shout that I know not everyone will agree with but I'd try it. Given the options in central midfield right now and games coming thick and fast for a few weeks why not put Sibbick in there beside Haring. Atkinson has started the season well and the central defenders are set, at least until Halkett returns, so give Toby some game time

 

Clare

 

Atkinson  Kent  Rowles  Kingsley

 

Sibbick  Haring 

Lowry

 

Oda   Shankland  Tagawa

 

Sibbick is easily as good on the ball as most of the other midfield options and can sit with Haring allowing Lowry to do what he wants going forward. 

You know what? I've been against putting Toby midfield rather than CB but in the current system I'm actually coming round to it, he could be really well suited to the role with his athleticism.

[Pans Jambo]

I want to see Shankland and Boyce start. with support from Lowry/Oda. Keen to see what kind of partnership they could have. 

[Jack Torrance]

33 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

Ooft, are we Kilmarnock's HIbs!?!?!!?

 

Let's get this sorted.  Starting Sunday.

No, because that would infer Hibs having won more games than us 😉

[Luckies1874]

21 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Tbf Clare sounds like she will be better than Zander.

 

Oooops   

[VagabondJambo]

31 minutes ago, Luckies1874 said:

Here's a shout that I know not everyone will agree with but I'd try it. Given the options in central midfield right now and games coming thick and fast for a few weeks why not put Sibbick in there beside Haring. Atkinson has started the season well and the central defenders are set, at least until Halkett returns, so give Toby some game time

 

Clare

 

Atkinson  Kent  Rowles  Kingsley

 

Sibbick  Haring 

Lowry

 

Oda   Shankland  Tagawa

 

Sibbick is easily as good on the ball as most of the other midfield options and can sit with Haring allowing Lowry to do what he wants going forward. 

I am one who does agree with you.

I like your line-up.

6-3 Hearts . . . well someone had to say it! 😊

[wavydavy]

1 hour ago, Chimp said:

 

Yeah unless Hof does turn out to be a great player then I feel we're quite weak at CM. Beni aside, I don't think we have that much quality in there. Still needs that box to box player who can drive forward and create.

 

Been saying this for a while we are fairly poor in central mid especially with Beni way off the pace at the moment.

 

Devlin is a bit of a bombscare at times getting silly bookings and giving the ball away cheaply negating a lot of the good things he can do.

 

Haring has done ok since he came back but he is slow in most of what he does and should really just be a fringe player.

[GBJambo]

54 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

They have only lost once at Tynie in the past 6 years. 

 

We are long overdue a result then 👍

[Kendoll]

Even before last weekends results, I danced Killie for top 6 and feel the weekend's result amplified that for me. That said, as long as we're not keeping one eye on Thursday and shitein out of challenges and things, I think we'll have enough. 2-1 for me, Shankland double 

[wavydavy]

48 minutes ago, Luckies1874 said:

Here's a shout that I know not everyone will agree with but I'd try it. Given the options in central midfield right now and games coming thick and fast for a few weeks why not put Sibbick in there beside Haring. Atkinson has started the season well and the central defenders are set, at least until Halkett returns, so give Toby some game time

 

Clare

 

Atkinson  Kent  Rowles  Kingsley

 

Sibbick  Haring 

Lowry

 

Oda   Shankland  Tagawa

 

Sibbick is easily as good on the ball as most of the other midfield options and can sit with Haring allowing Lowry to do what he wants going forward. 

 

Could well be worth a try. Sibbick played well against Rangers in his frst game I think it was for us a Tynecastle in a midfield role.

 

We can always change it if it doesn't work just like Robbie used to do in these games.

[Chimp]

37 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Been saying this for a while we are fairly poor in central mid especially with Beni way off the pace at the moment.

 

Devlin is a bit of a bombscare at times getting silly bookings and giving the ball away cheaply negating a lot of the good things he can do.

 

Haring has done ok since he came back but he is slow in most of what he does and should really just be a fringe player.

Agree. Haring did do well when he came on last night but let's be honest it wasn't hard to be an improvement on Beni's performance. One decent showing and everyone has him as a hero again. Love the big guy but he is a backup at best now. We shouldn't be relying on him to be our starting midfielder every week if we want to improve.

[wavydavy]

37 minutes ago, Chimp said:

Agree. Haring did do well when he came on last night but let's be honest it wasn't hard to be an improvement on Beni's performance. One decent showing and everyone has him as a hero again. Love the big guy but he is a backup at best now. We shouldn't be relying on him to be our starting midfielder every week if we want to improve.

 

👍

[chrystaf]

3 hours ago, pettigrewsstylist said:

He will be dissapointed with his performance last night and will try to make amends Sun by totally committing himself. Against Killie battlers thats a recipe for disaster. 

They might even decide to target him for cards.

Benched for me.

But he has had no support as our only defensive midfield player.  Was at his best when Beni was at his best.

[McCrae]

I think we might struggle. The team doesn’t look like it is ready for the start of the season.  Looking sluggish. We haven’t had a great preseason and the late arrival of new players hasn’t helped.

[chrystaf]

4 hours ago, pettigrewsstylist said:

If we have aspirations to build a squad of quality and avoid last yrs injury dramas then you are only as good as youre last game/s.

Dont know how you tell subs from last night that they didnt do enough. They watched that 1st half close up.

Tricky one, I like Cammy but....

I thought the booking was  harsh, but that's Cammy.

[chrystaf]

1 minute ago, McCrae said:

I think we might struggle. The team doesn’t look like it is ready for the start of the season.  Looking sluggish. We haven’t had a great preseason and the late arrival of new players hasn’t helped.

Agree.

[DMac-89]

Be one of those games that they sit in and look for the sucker punch. Need to move the ball much quicker or it could be a frustrating afternoon. I'd like to see Boyce and Tagawa both get at least 45 minutes but probably both eyeing the same spot in the side.

[pettigrewsstylist]

Really hope we can get all the new guys some decent game time as i think we could really use the pace, freshness and unknown quantity element next Thu.

 

[Gorgierools]

4 minutes ago, pettigrewsstylist said:

Really hope we can get all the new guys some decent game time as i think we could really use the pace, freshness and unknown quantity element next Thu.

 

Spot on, pace,or the lack of it was a major factor last night. 

[Valois No1]

Harder game than many realise but we have enough to win. They will score though. 18 - 1 Hearts

[Robbo-Jambo]

1 minute ago, Gorgierools said:

Spot on, pace,or the lack of it was a major factor last night. 

Tagawa has to start on Sunday imo 

[Gorgierools]

4 minutes ago, Robbo-Jambo said:

Tagawa has to start on Sunday imo 

I'd also like to see Boyce get more game time. He's not fast but he reads the game so well. Could get the best out of Tagawa and Oda 

[sandylejambo]

We are so far from being the third team in Scotland, we're wondering if we will beat Kilmarnock at home. We should be murdering teams like them.

[GinRummy]

12 minutes ago, sandylejambo said:

We are so far from being the third team in Scotland, we're wondering if we will beat Kilmarnock at home. We should be murdering teams like them.

Do you reckon Aberdeen and Hibs take games like Kilmarnock at home for granted. 

[Daveandal]

Killie will be buzzing after last weekend. They'll be organised and They'll know our weaknesses. I also expect them to be very physical looking to get a reaction from some of our players.

 

If we keep the head, don't panic and play we'll have enough. 

 

Hearts 2 Kilmarnock 0

[Tommy Brown]

29 minutes ago, Valois No1 said:

Harder game than many realise but we have enough to win. They will score though. 18 - 1 Hearts

[Sherbet]

4 hours ago, wavydavy said:

 

Been saying this for a while we are fairly poor in central mid especially with Beni way off the pace at the moment.

 

Devlin is a bit of a bombscare at times getting silly bookings and giving the ball away cheaply negating a lot of the good things he can do.

 

Haring has done ok since he came back but he is slow in most of what he does and should really just be a fringe player.

Haring maybe slower. But makes up fir it by being able to read the game

[OTT]

Going to be a very tough game, I want to see a reaction from the loss though - we shouldn't have lost that game and have the quality to prove it... so go prove it!!!!

 

[LarrysRightFoot]

5 hours ago, Luckies1874 said:

Here's a shout that I know not everyone will agree with but I'd try it. Given the options in central midfield right now and games coming thick and fast for a few weeks why not put Sibbick in there beside Haring. Atkinson has started the season well and the central defenders are set, at least until Halkett returns, so give Toby some game time

 

Clare

 

Atkinson  Kent  Rowles  Kingsley

 

Sibbick  Haring 

Lowry

 

Oda   Shankland  Tagawa

 

Sibbick is easily as good on the ball as most of the other midfield options and can sit with Haring allowing Lowry to do what he wants going forward. 

That Rangers game in Toby’s first spell always springs to mind - he was immense that day in midfield.