Sooperstar Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, redjambo said: Or, à la Black Mirror, extract and replay the dog's recent memory. No need for that. Just engage the services of an Animal Psychic. https://www.animalpsychic.co.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 53 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: I'm not sure, if she slipped and fell in she'd have taken a breath as she hit the water and inhaled water, I've fell in rivers a few time over the years and can't remember screaming or shouting, just feeling a bit of a twat. We’re you Schindlers List at the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said: We’re you Schindlers List at the time? Nope, honestly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 12 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: Aye, when I got to the bank and emptied my waders there more than water came out I can tell you!! 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 19 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: Same reason we have 5 page thread? And police immediate reaction seemed a bit odd Agreed. It's an interesting case. I questioned the prominence of it on the news on the first day the story went big but its a very interesting mystery now. I'm starting to think that the 'done a runner' theory is getting stronger IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 19 minutes ago, Sooperstar said: No need for that. Just engage the services of an Animal Psychic. https://www.animalpsychic.co.uk/ I think they tried that but found the dog was barking mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 14 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: Nope, honestly! FFS Gary, was falling in the river Kelvin not enough of a warning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Gizmo said: FFS Gary, was falling in the river Kelvin not enough of a warning? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 3 hours ago, hughesie27 said: Maybe the dog ate her? Would that involve peanut butter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Dawnrazor said: I'm not sure, if she slipped and fell in she'd have taken a breath as she hit the water and inhaled water, I've fell in rivers a few time over the years and can't remember screaming or shouting, just feeling a bit of a twat. Depends if you felt like you were struggling and in fear of drowning I suppose. Doubt she slipped in and straight under in a oner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Haud oan.. We've got some people questioning why this case has received a larger scale response than all of the many other cases of missing persons. But we also have some (other) people questioning why the police investigation is somewhat limited beyond a case of a missing person. There may also be an overlap on the Venn Diagram of criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 19 hours ago, redjambo said: Categorically not in the section of the river where she possibly went in (as far as the weir) says specialist diver who has been searching the river. https://news.sky.com/story/nicola-bulley-specialist-team-pull-out-of-search-as-expert-says-shes-categorically-not-in-section-of-river-12806058 That’s a ballsy call by the guy. End up wrong and your reputation is in tatters and your work dries up instantly. Not sure the police will be too impressed by his constant pressers either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 34 minutes ago, Dazo said: Depends if you felt like you were struggling and in fear of drowning I suppose. Doubt she slipped in and straight under in a oner. I doubt that to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 24 minutes ago, Victorian said: Haud oan.. We've got some people questioning why this case has received a larger scale response than all of the many other cases of missing persons. But we also have some (other) people questioning why the police investigation is somewhat limited beyond a case of a missing person. There may also be an overlap on the Venn Diagram of criticism. I think it’s been fairly apparent from early on that the ‘fell in the water’ theory was no more than just a theory, the easiest conclusion to come to is often the right one after all. In the quiet background away from the glare of the press they’ll be thinking this is an abduction, likely a murder now, or a very elaborate planned disappearance by the woman herself and they’ll be turning her, and her partners, life upside down and inside out to find a line of enquiry that makes sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 23 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: That’s a ballsy call by the guy. End up wrong and your reputation is in tatters and your work dries up instantly. Not sure the police will be too impressed by his constant pressers either. They weren't. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nicola-bulley-police-hit-back-29165940 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldChampions1902 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 22 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: That’s a ballsy call by the guy. End up wrong and your reputation is in tatters and your work dries up instantly. Not sure the police will be too impressed by his constant pressers either. Given that experts impressive track record, at the very least, one would think that Plod would start to search all the abandoned houses and outbuildings in that area. But………nope. God forbid any evidence turns up in those structures if and when they are finally forced to undertake that search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Kaiser Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said: Would that involve peanut butter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, WorldChampions1902 said: Given that experts impressive track record, at the very least, one would think that Plod would start to search all the abandoned houses and outbuildings in that area. But………nope. God forbid any evidence turns up in those structures if and when they are finally forced to undertake that search. My thoughts too. I still don't understand why they didn't secure that bench area and search all nearby empty and derelict properties. All to do with protocol, designation of a crime, and warrants. Reminds me a little of that woman who fell down a disused mine shaft and the fire brigade couldn't get her out of there due to safety rules and she died. Protocols and procedure getting in the way of common sense and practicality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, WorldChampions1902 said: Given that experts impressive track record, at the very least, one would think that Plod would start to search all the abandoned houses and outbuildings in that area. But………nope. God forbid any evidence turns up in those structures if and when they are finally forced to undertake that search. How do you know they've not been searching outbuildings already ? Edited February 9, 2023 by Lone Striker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 3 hours ago, GBJambo said: She’s still classed as a missing person and as yet police still not have any evidence a crime has been committed Also why is this case getting the publicity. Thousands go missing each year and we don’t hear a peep Something to do with black oppression. ©JudyJudyJudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldChampions1902 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: How do you now they've not been searching outbuildings already ? Superintendent Sally Riley said quote, “"Because there is no criminal element yet identified, and we don't expect there to be in this inquiry, then we're not starting to go into houses because that's not where the inquiry is leading us." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Lambretta Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Reminds me of the disapearance of Claudia Lawrence. She also vanised into thin air with a trace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 23 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: How do you know they've not been searching outbuildings already ? To be fair it would be all over the media if they had went down this route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 18 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said: Superintendent Sally Riley said quote, “"Because there is no criminal element yet identified, and we don't expect there to be in this inquiry, then we're not starting to go into houses because that's not where the inquiry is leading us." She (Nicola's friend Emma White) told BBC Radio Lancashire an abandoned house across the river from the spot where Ms Bulley's mobile phone was found had been "searched inside and out" and she urged people to stay away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Lone Striker said: She (Nicola's friend Emma White) told BBC Radio Lancashire an abandoned house across the river from the spot where Ms Bulley's mobile phone was found had been "searched inside and out" and she urged people to stay away. Yes, reportedly one house and some empty caravans. There seemingly has been no systematic search of empty and derelict houses in the area because, again reportedly, of the apparent lack of criminality in the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, Dazo said: To be fair it would be all over the media if they had went down this route. Possibly ..... but the police lady leading the hunt also said they are investigating 500 lines of inquiry (without going into detail). The media has already reported that empty caravans have been searched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldChampions1902 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Lone Striker said: She (Nicola's friend Emma White) told BBC Radio Lancashire an abandoned house across the river from the spot where Ms Bulley's mobile phone was found had been "searched inside and out" and she urged people to stay away. Ah…right. So Superintendent Sally Riley that is heading up this ‘investigation’ is either lying or incompetent then? Take your pick. At least Plod can rest easy that nothing is lurking in houses though, so that won’t come back to embarrass them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said: Ah…right. So Superintendent Sally Riley that is heading up this ‘investigation’ is either lying or incompetent then? Take your pick. At least Plod can rest easy that nothing is lurking in houses though, so that won’t come back to embarrass them. Or (more likely), playing down some of the actual 500 lines of inquiry they're trying to follow up. Just because they haven't found any evidence that criminality is involved doesn't mean they've eliminated it as a possibility -- in the same way as there's no evidence that that she's gone into the river. Why are some JKB super-sleuths piling in to the police ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldChampions1902 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 16 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: Or (more likely), playing down some of the actual 500 lines of inquiry they're trying to follow up. Just because they haven't found any evidence that criminality is involved doesn't mean they've eliminated it as a possibility -- in the same way as there's no evidence that that she's gone into the river. Why are some JKB super-sleuths piling in to the police ? Perhaps Plod is looking bad because even “their own” are turning on them? Former detective superintendent Howard Millington who worked for Manchester Police for over 30 years said, “If there was something worrying them, [police] would have gathered a vast amount of information so far. Then they would be saying they are keeping an open mind and including that it could be suspicious and they are not saying that.” He added: “There’s no way they would be misleading the public, especially if there was a real concern around community safety”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBJambo Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Police now searching further down stream and out to sea. According to BBC news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lone Striker said: Or (more likely), playing down some of the actual 500 lines of inquiry they're trying to follow up. Just because they haven't found any evidence that criminality is involved doesn't mean they've eliminated it as a possibility -- in the same way as there's no evidence that that she's gone into the river. Why are some JKB super-sleuths piling in to the police ? Right from the start, the police were convinced that Nicola had gone into the water. It was almost as if they were throwing all their eggs into one basket and excluding other possibilities. When it came to other possibilities, they seemed, imo anyway, to be more reactive to incoming leads than proactive regarding creating and seeking out possibilities. https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/nicola-bulley-police-reject-theories-26183927 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/nicola-bulley-lancashire-police-police-national-crime-agency-willow-b2277584.html https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/police-believe-nicola-bulley-slipped-26152570 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11710399/Nicola-Bulley-fell-river-police-believe.html etc. Edited February 9, 2023 by redjambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 2 hours ago, redjambo said: My thoughts too. I still don't understand why they didn't secure that bench area and search all nearby empty and derelict properties. All to do with protocol, designation of a crime, and warrants. Reminds me a little of that woman who fell down a disused mine shaft and the fire brigade couldn't get her out of there due to safety rules and she died. Protocols and procedure getting in the way of common sense and practicality. That's a good point, that poor Ayrshire woman did literally fall off the face of the earth. Has something like that happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 2 hours ago, WorldChampions1902 said: Ah…right. So Superintendent Sally Riley that is heading up this ‘investigation’ is either lying or incompetent then? Take your pick. At least Plod can rest easy that nothing is lurking in houses though, so that won’t come back to embarrass them. Pretty certain at the presser yesterday, that the police were asked about the houses/buildings along the riverbank, and they confirmed that all of them and the caravans had all been searched, that was one of the reasons why they were asking the public not to break into any of the properties even the derelict ones, because they had all been searched and they wouldn't find Nicola there in any of them. What is open to debate could be how well they have been searched, that is something none of us will know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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highlandjambo3 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Dick Dastardly said: Has Elon Musk offered to send a submarine yet? Vlad is still out there with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 20 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said: Vlad is still out there with it. 😂 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 2 hours ago, redjambo said: Right from the start, the police were convinced that Nicola had gone into the water. It was almost as if they were throwing all their eggs into one basket and excluding other possibilities. When it came to other possibilities, they seemed, imo anyway, to be more reactive to incoming leads than proactive regarding creating and seeking out possibilities. https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/nicola-bulley-police-reject-theories-26183927 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/nicola-bulley-lancashire-police-police-national-crime-agency-willow-b2277584.html https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/police-believe-nicola-bulley-slipped-26152570 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11710399/Nicola-Bulley-fell-river-police-believe.html etc. Fair comment. tbf, its pretty logical that when a woman is reported missing after going for a walk beside a river, the first place to search for her is the area around the last known sighting of her - and then the river itself. imo, the police will most likely also be considering alternative theories - especially now that the river searches have yielded nothing. OK, they're now searching further downstream and the estuary area - but It seems unlikely to me that they're refusing (behind closed doors) to consider alternatives. One thing does seem odd though - who called the SGI team off ? They seem to have more expertise/experience & equipment than the police divers - so why aren't they being asked to search the estuary now ? Maybe a bit of conflict between Faulding and Riley (which does the family no good at all) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 3 hours ago, WorldChampions1902 said: Perhaps Plod is looking bad because even “their own” are turning on them? Former detective superintendent Howard Millington who worked for Manchester Police for over 30 years said, “If there was something worrying them, [police] would have gathered a vast amount of information so far. Then they would be saying they are keeping an open mind and including that it could be suspicious and they are not saying that.” He added: “There’s no way they would be misleading the public, especially if there was a real concern around community safety”. Where in that quote is he having a go at them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynecastle_Park Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) Worrying this could end up as another Claudia Lawrence case (as someone mentioned above). Though in that case there are clear suspects, but there has never been enough evidence for charge. Edited February 9, 2023 by Tynecastle_Park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daktari Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: One thing does seem odd though - who called the SGI team off ? They seem to have more expertise/experience & equipment than the police divers - so why aren't they being asked to search the estuary now ? Maybe a bit of conflict between Faulding and Riley (which does the family no good at all) ? From the BBC - The firm's founder Peter Faulding said his team was pulling out because he believed Ms Bulley was "categorically not" in the area of river where police believe she fell in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Lone Striker said: One thing does seem odd though - who called the SGI team off ? They seem to have more expertise/experience & equipment than the police divers - so why aren't they being asked to search the estuary now ? Maybe a bit of conflict between Faulding and Riley (which does the family no good at all) ? I think they decided to stand down themselves, as far as I remember. Are they actually using divers to search the estuary? That's a hell of an underwater area and a big ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny17 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 The only logical answer is Aliens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irufushi Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, Swanny17 said: The only logical answer is Aliens. More likely than her being in that river. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 37 minutes ago, redjambo said: I think they decided to stand down themselves, as far as I remember. Are they actually using divers to search the estuary? That's a hell of an underwater area and a big ask. Yes, thats why it seems odd - they have state of the art underwater sonar equipment, so no need to dive until they see something unusual on the screen. Presumably they ware initially asked to search the bench area down to the weir - but it just seems odd that they've either got fed up after finding nothing, or have been told to pack up by the police. Wonder what the family make of it - surely they'd want as much expertise as possible to continue looking at new water ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: Yes, thats why it seems odd - they have state of the art underwater sonar equipment, so no need to dive until they see something unusual on the screen. Presumably they ware initially asked to search the bench area down to the weir - but it just seems odd that they've either got fed up after finding nothing, or have been told to pack up by the police. Wonder what the family make of it - surely they'd want as much expertise as possible to continue looking at new water ? I did read that they have been getting a lot of on-line grief and that may have swayed their decision. Faulding is also of the opinion that the low speed of the water in the Wyre at the moment means there is no way she entered the water (see link below) and so perhaps feels that further searches downstream, even using sonar, are a waste of time. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/video-proof-missing-nicola-bulley-29173662 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiver Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 6 hours ago, redjambo said: They weren't. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nicola-bulley-police-hit-back-29165940 I'm glad they've said something at least. Not to cast aspersions on his expertise as a diver but his comments about the phone were nothing but complete speculation that helped nothing. Guy should probably know better as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiver Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Lone Striker said: Fair comment. tbf, its pretty logical that when a woman is reported missing after going for a walk beside a river, the first place to search for her is the area around the last known sighting of her - and then the river itself. imo, the police will most likely also be considering alternative theories - especially now that the river searches have yielded nothing. OK, they're now searching further downstream and the estuary area - but It seems unlikely to me that they're refusing (behind closed doors) to consider alternatives. One thing does seem odd though - who called the SGI team off ? They seem to have more expertise/experience & equipment than the police divers - so why aren't they being asked to search the estuary now ? Maybe a bit of conflict between Faulding and Riley (which does the family no good at all) ? Think he said himself yesterday or the day before that they would only be able to assist for a day longer or so due to other commitments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldChampions1902 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Just 6 weeks ago, and only a few miles from where Nicola Bulley disappeared, this bloke vanished into thin air, leaving his mobile phone on the canal towpath he was walking along. Underwater search, helicopters, drones etc revealed nothing. I wouldn’t want to be walking alongside any body of water in the North West of England theses days. Let’s hope for a better outcome in Nicola’s case at least. https://www.gmp.police.uk/news/greater-manchester/news/news/2023/january/there-have-been-no-sightings..-its-like-hes-just-vanished.-just-disappeared/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 12 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said: Just 6 weeks ago, and only a few miles from where Nicola Bulley disappeared, this bloke vanished into thin air, leaving his mobile phone on the canal towpath he was walking along. Underwater search, helicopters, drones etc revealed nothing. I wouldn’t want to be walking alongside any body of water in the North West of England theses days. Let’s hope for a better outcome in Nicola’s case at least. https://www.gmp.police.uk/news/greater-manchester/news/news/2023/january/there-have-been-no-sightings..-its-like-hes-just-vanished.-just-disappeared/ The assumption with male cases like that is that there is unfortunately a very high chance of suicide and a body is often eventually discovered in a remote area. No idea of the background of that case but it is a sad reality of how many of those cases end up for men. The circumstances of the Nicola Bulley case initially made suicide appear really unlikely although it must be becoming a stronger line of enquiry as the days progress. None of us clearly have enough info of either of these individuals so just talking in general terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 36 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said: Just 6 weeks ago, and only a few miles from where Nicola Bulley disappeared, this bloke vanished into thin air, leaving his mobile phone on the canal towpath he was walking along. Underwater search, helicopters, drones etc revealed nothing. I wouldn’t want to be walking alongside any body of water in the North West of England theses days. Let’s hope for a better outcome in Nicola’s case at least. https://www.gmp.police.uk/news/greater-manchester/news/news/2023/january/there-have-been-no-sightings..-its-like-hes-just-vanished.-just-disappeared/ Quite alarming, isn't it. Sounds like this chap didn't want to be traced via phone signal/location, so deliberately discarded it. Makes you wonder if Nicola did the same thing. Its god-awful to even try to imagine how low someone must have sunk to be in that state of mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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