Nicola bulley. Where the hell has she gone?

[JudyJudyJudy]

18 hours ago, Mysterion said:

Or they are distracting people whilst another more subtle bit of investigative work takes place. Wouldn’t be unrealistic to expect IT forensics are working through her electronic life. 

It will all come out in the wash 

[kila]

1 hour ago, graygo said:

I'm still puzzled as to why this is getting so much more attention than any of the many missing person cases every year, even the one's involving middle class women.

 

I imagine the media selectively picks and chooses which will generate most clicks/interest and cash in on it.

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

37 minutes ago, kila said:

 

I imagine the media selectively picks and chooses which will generate most clicks/interest and cash in on it.

 

 

Yeh, that'll be the job of the editors to decide which stories are likely to attract the most public interest, Nicola would not have been the only person to have went missing on the day she did, but she'll be the only one to go missing in the circumstances which she did, and that's what set's her case as being different from all the other missing person cases of that day.

 

Edit: That doesn't make it any easier for the families involved, but from a news story point it does.

Edited February 8, 2023 by Jambo-Jimbo

[redjambo]

Categorically not in the section of the river where she possibly went in (as far as the weir) says specialist diver who has been searching the river.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/nicola-bulley-specialist-team-pull-out-of-search-as-expert-says-shes-categorically-not-in-section-of-river-12806058

[graygo]

17 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Yeh, that'll be the job of the editors to decide which stories are likely to attract the most public interest, Nicola would not have been the only person to have went missing on the day she did, but she'll be the only one to go missing in the circumstances which she did, and that's what set's her case as being different from all the other missing person cases of that day.

 

Edit: That doesn't make it any easier for the families involved, but from a news story point it does.

 

I suppose they can't cover every story and whatever ones they do we will be asking why that one.

[graygo]

8 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Categorically not in the section of the river where she possibly went in (as far as the weir) says specialist diver who has been searching the river.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/nicola-bulley-specialist-team-pull-out-of-search-as-expert-says-shes-categorically-not-in-section-of-river-12806058

 

Seen that earlier, I think that when an expert (a real one) says something "categorically" then we can be pretty sure it's right.

[Central Belt 1874]

14 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Categorically not in the section of the river where she possibly went in (as far as the weir) says specialist diver who has been searching the river.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/nicola-bulley-specialist-team-pull-out-of-search-as-expert-says-shes-categorically-not-in-section-of-river-12806058

 

Couldn't be any clearer. 

 

 

[Masonic]

2 hours ago, redjambo said:

Categorically not in the section of the river where she possibly went in (as far as the weir) says specialist diver who has been searching the river.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/nicola-bulley-specialist-team-pull-out-of-search-as-expert-says-shes-categorically-not-in-section-of-river-12806058

 

has the CCTV been vetted as being authentic 

[Byyy The Light]

3 hours ago, redjambo said:

Categorically not in the section of the river where she possibly went in (as far as the weir) says specialist diver who has been searching the river.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/nicola-bulley-specialist-team-pull-out-of-search-as-expert-says-shes-categorically-not-in-section-of-river-12806058

Is this par for the course in these types of situation? I thought usually the Police like to keep a lid on everything and only speak to the press themselves. Controlling what info goes in to type public domain.

 

Is this guy just mouthing off on behalf of the family or is it a tactic?

 

 

[John Findlay]

I would have,thought the biggest clue in all this was the family dog.

[redjambo]

1 hour ago, John Findlay said:

I would have,thought the biggest clue in all this was the family dog.

 

In what way?

[redjambo]

So, if the river theory looks to have effectively been discounted, we're left with absconsion and abduction. John's right in that the dog is one of the more puzzling aspects of this. It would probably have tried to follow Nicola in either case, but could have been told to stay by Nicola or threatened by an attacker - I hope the police had vets check it for any hidden injuries. The phone would also have been left behind in either case so as to avoid movement tracing, but it may be important as to at what point she left the meeting she was logged onto along with her audio/video settings. One exit from the fields wasn't covered by CCTV and so, by deduction, unless you're into sci-fi territory, that's how she left.

[John Findlay]

34 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

In what way?

I don't know what breed the family dog is. However, it is well known that dogs have a far greater sense of smell than us humans. I would have thought the family dog would know its master/mistresses scent more than any other. So perhaps the family pet could lead the police to Nicola Bulley through her scent?

[redjambo]

4 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

I don't know what breed the family dog is. However, it is well known that dogs have a far greater sense of smell than us humans. I would have thought the family dog would know its master/mistresses scent more than any other. So perhaps the family pet could lead the police to Nicola Bulley through her scent?

 

It's a springer spaniel.

 

This expert agrees with you in a way: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/nicola-bulleys-dog-could-crack-29150366

 

When the dog was initially found, it was running between the bench and the river bank.

[Dazo]

6 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

It's a springer spaniel.

 

This expert agrees with you in a way: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/nicola-bulleys-dog-could-crack-29150366

 

When the dog was initially found, it was running between the bench and the river bank.

If it was my wife I’d be questioning the police on why they are wasting resources on a river search when she isn’t in there. I’m doubt this expert of decades is going to put his reputation on the line making such a definitive statement. 

[periodictabledancer]

6 hours ago, John Findlay said:

I don't know what breed the family dog is. However, it is well known that dogs have a far greater sense of smell than us humans. I would have thought the family dog would know its master/mistresses scent more than any other. So perhaps the family pet could lead the police to Nicola Bulley through her scent?

Assuming she's walked the dog around there numerous times , the dog wouldn't " find "  anything as her scent would already be all over the place from previous walks. I don't recall the police saying anything about her being in a place she wouldn't normally be. In which case , if she was known to frequent it and was known to do it alone it opens up a possibility of a stalker or just a random event.

[Sooperstar]

7 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

In what way?

He's the only known witness. 

[JFK-1]

6 hours ago, redjambo said:

When the dog was initially found, it was running between the bench and the river bank.

 

Which suggests she went into the river. I'm thinking that because i'm personally familiar with dog behaviour and I recall a dog being the first to raise the alarm after the Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend murder OJ got away with.

 

A guy is out late at night walking his own dog and he comes across this other dog on it's own. Exclusive neighbourhood, stray dogs aren't a problem. So he reckons it's a local dog that got out or something but it's acting strangely.

 

The dog approaches him to within maybe 10 feet or so then when the guy tries to get closer to look for a tag on the collar the dog retreats, then stops if he doesn't follow, closes in again to around 10 feet or so and the same scenario plays out.

 

The guy figures out he wants me to follow him so he followed and was led to the crime scene by the dog because it was Nicole's dog. This dog knew this was bad shit and he had to find a human. He found one and guided him.

 

Thedog running towards the river, if that were indeed the case, suggests that's where she went.

[Dazo]

22 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

 

Which suggests she went into the river. I'm thinking that because i'm personally familiar with dog behaviour and I recall a dog being the first to raise the alarm after the Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend murder OJ got away with.

 

A guy is out late at night walking his own dog and he comes across this other dog on it's own. Exclusive neighbourhood, stray dogs aren't a problem. So he reckons it's a local dog that got out or something but it's acting strangely.

 

The dog approaches him to within maybe 10 feet or so then when the guy tries to get closer to look for a tag on the collar the dog retreats, then stops if he doesn't follow, closes in again to around 10 feet or so and the same scenario plays out.

 

The guy figures out he wants me to follow him so he followed and was led to the crime scene by the dog because it was Nicole's dog. This dog knew this was bad shit and he had to find a human. He found one and guided him.

 

Thedog running towards the river, if that were indeed the case, suggests that's where she went.

I disagree regarding her going into the river. I think the dog would be at the riverbank barking if she went in. I’m in no way an expert other than a previous owner of two spaniels. The dog running about suggests he’s looking for her not knowing to me. We’re obviously guessing on exactly what the dog was doing. 

Edited February 9, 2023 by Dazo

[Taffin]

Possible she went into the river and exited it at another point?

[hughesie27]

Maybe the dog ate her? 

[¼½¾]

1 minute ago, hughesie27 said:

Maybe the dog ate her? 

It's said she was/is a strong swimmer. Maybe she swam upstream to escape from it?

[Locky]

22 minutes ago, Meathook said:

It's said she was/is a strong swimmer. Maybe she swam upstream to escape from it?

Some say she's still going. Halfway across the English Channel by now.

[Locky]

Only just read there the bit about texting a friend at 8:57 arranging a playdate for the kids. Interesting. 

 

I'm most definitely no expert on rivers, nor am I even remotely clued up on the geographical landscape of the area in question but I wholeheartedly refuse the river theory. Even if she did fall in and get swept downstream, it seems a pretty popular dogwalker area, and also the river passes through a number of small towns. Refusing to believe that someone wouldn't have saw and reported a body in the passing hours or even days after her disappearance.

 

Thankfully the river theory has been quashed by the professionals. Can't tell if the police are being amateurish and lazy sticking with that theory, or if it's a red herring to cover up their side investigations. You'd like to think its the latter. Either way, I suspect much more than meets the eye, like perhaps a staged disappearance. And that 8:57 message seems to be the exact type of thing someone would do before pulling such a stunt.

[H2]

I've always wondered why most kickbackers are not top football managers, now I'm wondering why they are not top detectives!🙂

[graygo]

21 minutes ago, Locky said:

Only just read there the bit about texting a friend at 8:57 arranging a playdate for the kids. Interesting. 

 

I'm most definitely no expert on rivers, nor am I even remotely clued up on the geographical landscape of the area in question but I wholeheartedly refuse the river theory. Even if she did fall in and get swept downstream, it seems a pretty popular dogwalker area, and also the river passes through a number of small towns. Refusing to believe that someone wouldn't have saw and reported a body in the passing hours or even days after her disappearance.

 

Thankfully the river theory has been quashed by the professionals. Can't tell if the police are being amateurish and lazy sticking with that theory, or if it's a red herring to cover up their side investigations. You'd like to think its the latter. Either way, I suspect much more than meets the eye, like perhaps a staged disappearance. And that 8:57 message seems to be the exact type of thing someone would do before pulling such a stunt.

 

I don't think they quashed the "fell into the river" theory, only that she wasn't in the part from where they think she may have fallen in down to the weir. Unlikely but not impossible that she went over the weir and is now further down the river heading towards the sea.

[graygo]

9 minutes ago, H2 said:

I've always wondered why most kickbackers are not top football managers, now I'm wondering why they are not top detectives!🙂

 

We are.  😋

[Lovecraft]

3 hours ago, Sooperstar said:

He's the only known witness. 

Are you suggesting they interview the dog?

 

 

[Locky]

23 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

I don't think they quashed the "fell into the river" theory, only that she wasn't in the part from where they think she may have fallen in down to the weir. Unlikely but not impossible that she went over the weir and is now further down the river heading towards the sea.

Perhaps still a slim possibility, but again I can't believe that would've happened. I just feel like there'd have been a sighting by now.

[Tommy Brown]

1 hour ago, Locky said:

Some say she's still going. Halfway across the English Channel by now.

some swim to the Channel from Lancashire, wow

[redjambo]

3 hours ago, JFK-1 said:

 

Which suggests she went into the river. I'm thinking that because i'm personally familiar with dog behaviour and I recall a dog being the first to raise the alarm after the Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend murder OJ got away with.

 

A guy is out late at night walking his own dog and he comes across this other dog on it's own. Exclusive neighbourhood, stray dogs aren't a problem. So he reckons it's a local dog that got out or something but it's acting strangely.

 

The dog approaches him to within maybe 10 feet or so then when the guy tries to get closer to look for a tag on the collar the dog retreats, then stops if he doesn't follow, closes in again to around 10 feet or so and the same scenario plays out.

 

The guy figures out he wants me to follow him so he followed and was led to the crime scene by the dog because it was Nicole's dog. This dog knew this was bad shit and he had to find a human. He found one and guided him.

 

Thedog running towards the river, if that were indeed the case, suggests that's where she went.

 

Yup. I have to admit that the dog's behaviour along with the news that the body of the lad in the motorcycle accident a number of years ago managed to get over that weir and ended up a few miles further downstream reopened the river possibility for me. Back to square 1.

[redjambo]

I have to admit that I find it interesting that the police approach is that because no criminal element has yet been determined, they didn't secure the bench area as a "crime scene" and also haven't been searching empty and derelict properties in the area without the owners' permissions. I didn't know that this was police procedure.

[il Duce McTarkin]

1 hour ago, hughesie27 said:

Maybe the dog ate her? 

 

Good suggestion. Are you personally familiar with dog behaviour?

[Sooperstar]

36 minutes ago, Lovecraft said:

Are you suggesting they interview the dog?

 

 

Would be the first thing I done were I in charge of the case. 

[graygo]

33 minutes ago, Locky said:

Perhaps still a slim possibility, but again I can't believe that would've happened. I just feel like there'd have been a sighting by now.

 

I agree, still a slim possibility rather than quashed though. 👍

[redjambo]

46 minutes ago, Lovecraft said:

Are you suggesting they interview the dog?

 

 

Or, à la Black Mirror, extract and replay the dog's recent memory.

[GBJambo]

Still think the likely scenario is she’s had enough and ran off. 
 

Imo she hasn’t been kidnapped as there are no signs of any struggle. Which there would be plus no one heard anything? There were people walking nearby so bound to have heard her scream out. Also her dog would have barked. 

Edited February 9, 2023 by GBJambo

[Dawnrazor]

I don't think the body would've went over the lip of the wier in the water level at the time, we've had virtually no rain before and since the incident, it's a popular place for the public. I, and again I'm no expert, think the body would've been at the lip of the wier for some time due to the lack of water flow, I think it would've been seen, if it did manage to go over the wier it would've floated at a very slow place and again, at that time of day and the pace of the water would've been easily seen by someone, she was last seen at about half nine in the morning on a nice sunny day when the river levels were low, there will have been people at and around that are for the next seven or eight hours of daylight. 

 

Edited February 9, 2023 by Dawnrazor

[Dazo]

8 minutes ago, GBJambo said:

Still think the likely scenario is she’s had enough and ran off. 
 

Imo she hasn’t been kidnapped as there are no signs of any struggle. Which there would be plus no one heard anything? There were people walking nearby so bound to have heard her scream out. Also her dog would have barked. 

You would assume unless she was knocked clean out in a fall there would have been an element of screaming if she fell into the river. 

[Dawnrazor]

1 minute ago, Dazo said:

You would assume unless she was knocked clean out in a fall there would have been an element of screaming if she fell into the river. 

I'm not sure, if she slipped and fell in she'd have taken a breath as she hit the water and inhaled water, I've fell in rivers a few time over the years and can't remember screaming or shouting, just feeling a bit of a twat.

[The Real Maroonblood]

4 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

I'm not sure, if she slipped and fell in she'd have taken a breath as she hit the water and inhaled water, I've fell in rivers a few time over the years and can't remember screaming or shouting, just feeling a bit of a twat.

[Dawnrazor]

Just now, The Real Maroonblood said:

😅 completely sober when I've been fishing, my adventure spitit has taken over trying to get to a likely looking spot and I've come a cropper! When the cold and shock hits you you instinctively inhale, this inevitability results in a gulp of water stopping you making much more of a squeeky gurgling noise.

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, Dawnrazor said:

😅 completely sober when I've been fishing, my adventure spitit has taken over trying to get to a likely looking spot and I've come a cropper! When the cold and shock hits you you instinctively inhale, this inevitability results in a gulp of water stopping you making much more of a squeeky gurgling noise.

That must be brutal.

Fortunately I’ve never been in that situation.

[Lovecraft]

12 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

😅 completely sober when I've been fishing, my adventure spitit has taken over trying to get to a likely looking spot and I've come a cropper! When the cold and shock hits you you instinctively inhale, this inevitability results in a gulp of water stopping you making much more of a squeeky gurgling noise.

Yup.

 

Been kayaking a few times and if you plop into cold water, you completely lose control of your breathing.

 

 

Edited February 9, 2023 by Lovecraft

[GBJambo]

She’s still classed as a missing person and as yet police still not have any evidence a crime has been committed 

 

Also why is this case getting the publicity. Thousands go missing each year and we don’t hear a peep

Edited February 9, 2023 by GBJambo

[Dawnrazor]

3 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

That must be brutal.

Fortunately I’ve never been in that situation.

It gives you a bit of fright right enough, different people will react differently of course but I can be very calm in stressful situations, I've got my self out ok each time, the one where I did actually think my time was up was on the middle mertoun beat on the tweed, I was greying fishing in November and out on a gravel bar about waist deep, the water was only about a few inches high so I wasn't really worried, I felt a thump on the heel of my right, upstream wader boot, the next thing I'm being pushed downstream, it was a sheet of ply, possibly used by a builder for mixing cement on, it hit my boot and the current got under it and it lifted and lay across my leg for a few seconds and acted like a sail!!!

I fell face first into the river and went maybe eight or ten yards downstream, I shit my my self at the speed it happened and the shock I felt.

[Taffin]

14 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

It gives you a bit of fright right enough, different people will react differently of course but I can be very calm in stressful situations, I've got my self out ok each time, the one where I did actually think my time was up was on the middle mertoun beat on the tweed, I was greying fishing in November and out on a gravel bar about waist deep, the water was only about a few inches high so I wasn't really worried, I felt a thump on the heel of my right, upstream wader boot, the next thing I'm being pushed downstream, it was a sheet of ply, possibly used by a builder for mixing cement on, it hit my boot and the current got under it and it lifted and lay across my leg for a few seconds and acted like a sail!!!

I fell face first into the river and went maybe eight or ten yards downstream, I shit my my self at the speed it happened and the shock I felt.

 

 

Gives me flashbacks that does, I fell in the Spey on boxing day one year. Like you, I was really quite calm about it but I was absolutely freezing afterwords and had to walk back to the car through the snow. I thought my mum was going to kill me when I told her what happened 😂

[Dawnrazor]

3 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

 

Gives me flashbacks that does, I fell in the Spey on boxing day one year. Like you, I was really quite calm about it but I was absolutely freezing afterwords and had to walk back to the car through the snow. I thought my mum was going to kill me when I told her what happened 😂

Aye, when I got to the bank and emptied my waders there more than water came out I can tell you!!

[Francis Albert]

26 minutes ago, GBJambo said:

She’s still classed as a missing person and as yet police still not have any evidence a crime has been committed 

 

Also why is this case getting the publicity. Thousands go missing each year and we don’t hear a peep

Same reason we have 5 page thread? 

And police immediate reaction seemed a bit odd

 

Edited February 9, 2023 by Francis Albert

[highlandjambo3]

1 hour ago, Lovecraft said:

Are you suggesting they interview the dog?

 

 

Where’s the lad that used to be able to interpret what lassie used to bark back in the day?
 

”woof, woof…. woof………..woof woof woof woof……….woof…………woof”

 

loosely translated: “ wee Johnny’s fallen down a well……it’s about 20foot deep so you’ll need some rope……follow me and I’ll show you where it is………btw no fat bassas”