National rail strikes planned by RMT

[maroondevo52]

3 hours ago, dobmisterdobster said:

 

Along with Amazon, DHL, Yodel, UPS, DPD, Hermes, FedEx etc

 

How many of them dealt with all the Covid contracts during the Pandemic.

[frankblack]

1 hour ago, maroondevo52 said:

 

How many of them dealt with all the Covid contracts during the Pandemic.

 

All of them.  What is your point?

[ri Alban]

9 hours ago, Harry Potter said:

Lots of folk not protected by a union i would imagine, so taking action is not an option

Are agency staff covered by a union, doubt it.

They should join one, which is Mick Lynch's point. We need to stick together, if we want to stop the few, abusing/robbing the many.

[ri Alban]

1 hour ago, frankblack said:

 

All of them.  What is your point?

Finally there's a group taking on Amazon for their total abuse of the self employed drivers who are treated like absolute shite. 

[Shooter McGavin]

For those that still don’t get it

[The Real Maroonblood]

8 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

For those that still don’t get it

No shame.

[Shooter McGavin]

1 minute ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

No shame.

And they get away with it because they’ve got docile gimps distracted and frothing at the mouth over the poor family down the road.

 

They’re the “real problem” apparently…

[The Real Maroonblood]

11 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

And they get away with it because they’ve got docile gimps distracted and frothing at the mouth over the poor family down the road.

 

They’re the “real problem” apparently…

Depressing stuff.

[ri Alban]

Private sector staff being awarded 9% pay rises all over the country, yet if public staff has the same it puts up inflation. People will believe anything. 

[Nucky Thompson]

2 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Private sector staff being awarded 9% pay rises all over the country, yet if public staff has the same it puts up inflation. People will believe anything. 

It's a hard one if you have your own business though.

Costs are going up, but you want to remain competitive price wise. So what do you do?

If you put your prices up when you're supplying a service, folk will just get someone cheaper.

 

[Dazo]

1 hour ago, Shooter McGavin said:

For those that still don’t get it

Completely unconnected topics, on top of that what has this strike actually to do with the government ? 

[AlimOzturk]

11 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Completely unconnected topics, on top of that what has this strike actually to do with the government ? 

If it has nothing to do with the government why is grant shapps getting involved? Why are junior tory ministers being put the sword by Mick Lynch? Why is Boris Johnson commenting on it? Why have they changed the rules for companies to make it easier for them to hire agency staff during strikes? 
 

this has everything to do with the government. 

[Nucky Thompson]

10 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Completely unconnected topics, on top of that what has this strike actually to do with the government ? 

The same as the rising cost of fuel.

It's all the Toaries fault and nothing to do with greedy oil refineries ramping up their profits and robbing the public

[Nucky Thompson]

Just now, AlimOzturk said:

 Why are junior tory ministers being put the sword by Mick Lynch? 

[AlimOzturk]

2 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

The same as the rising cost of fuel.

It's all the Toaries fault and nothing to do with greedy oil refineries ramping up their profits and robbing the public

 

1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Take it you are against the strikes then?

 

 

[Nucky Thompson]

2 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

 

Take it you are against the strikes then?

 

 

I'm against all strikes.

 

It causes disruption and misery for ordinary people

[AlimOzturk]

5 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I'm against all strikes.

 

It causes disruption and misery for ordinary people

What would you suggest workers do when they are in dispute with their employers? Surely the thread of strike action keeps employers honest and gives workers a say in how they are treated?

 

it’s a form of protest and everyone should have the right to protest against unfairness. 
 

Ordinary people should be supporting it even if it causes you to be inconvenienced. 

Edited June 27, 2022 by AlimOzturk

[The Mighty Thor]

8 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

The same as the rising cost of fuel.

It's all the Toaries fault and nothing to do with greedy oil refineries ramping up their profits and robbing the public

It is the Tories fault. 

 

They could sort it out anytime they wanted to. 

[Dazo]

18 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

If it has nothing to do with the government why is grant shapps getting involved? Why are junior tory ministers being put the sword by Mick Lynch? Why is Boris Johnson commenting on it? Why have they changed the rules for companies to make it easier for them to hire agency staff during strikes? 
 

this has everything to do with the government. 

Oh I thought it was about pay and protecting their Sundays. 

[Cade]

Government control Network Rail.

 

Network Rail is the employer.

 

Ergo, the Government could do something but chooses not to.

Edited June 27, 2022 by Cade

[Shooter McGavin]

30 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

The same as the rising cost of fuel.

It's all the Toaries fault and nothing to do with greedy oil refineries ramping up their profits and robbing the public

You are aware that the government charge 52p per litre through VAT,

 

But it’s okay, cause they dropped a whopping 5p off that…

 

[Shooter McGavin]

2 minutes ago, Cade said:

Government control Network Rail.

 

Network Rail is the employer.

 

Ergo, the Government could do something but chooses not to.

Far too sensible, mate.

[Shooter McGavin]

20 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Oh I thought it was about pay and protecting their Sundays. 

That sounded clever in your head, eh?

[Dazo]

6 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

That sounded clever in your head, eh?

Why would it ? You seem a little on edge, you okay ? 

[Shooter McGavin]

2 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Why would it ? You seem a little on edge, you okay ? 

Didn’t sound clever in your own head but still went ahead and wrote it. Fair enough I suppose.

 

Could I just ask, what makes you believe I’m “on edge”?

[The Real Maroonblood]

29 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

You are aware that the government charge 52p per litre through VAT,

 

But it’s okay, cause they dropped a whopping 5p off that…

 

Good point. 

[Nucky Thompson]

50 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

What would you suggest workers do when they are in dispute with their employers? Surely the thread of strike action keeps employers honest and gives workers a say in how they are treated?

 

it’s a form of protest and everyone should have the right to protest against unfairness. 
 

Ordinary people should be supporting it even if it causes you to be inconvenienced. 

Mass strikes for more money egged on by politically motived union bosses doesn't cut it.

We are all feeling the pinch from the high inflation

I agree people should have rights at work and be protected though

[Nucky Thompson]

35 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

You are aware that the government charge 52p per litre through VAT,

 

But it’s okay, cause they dropped a whopping 5p off that…

 

Obviously the more the oil companies charge, the more VAT the government gets.

 

If the government cut another 50p off VAT, what's stopping Shell, BP from not passing it on?

They could just increase their profit margin by another 50p a litre 

 

[AlimOzturk]

4 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Mass strikes for more money egged on by politically motived union bosses doesn't cut it.

We are all feeling the pinch from the high inflation

I agree people should have rights at work and be protected though

Of course it cuts it. How else do they protect themselves if they can’t refuse to work? 
 

Feeling the pinch is one thing. But when those who are telling the people to grin and bear it are continually rewarding themselves with massive pay rises it slaps in the face of the regular Joe. **** them and **** anyone who feels a bit inconvenienced by it imo. 
 

Should be standing behind your fellow man and supporting them.  But alas, people would rather side with those who would shaft them at any turn to make a profit because they are complete and getter scum. 
 

Inflation has been caused by government failure. Brexit didn’t have to happen. 

[Ron Burgundy]

Just sent back my ballot paper from the CWU for industrial action. 
Depressing times. 

[Irufushi]

On 25/06/2022 at 17:26, maroondevo52 said:

Royal Mail Group (Including Fleet and Parcelforce) ballot papers going out on Tuesday 28th June after rejecting a 2% increase on basic pay. An unagreed 2% increase will be implemented by Royal Mail on 1st July 2022.

I’m with parcelforce. STRIKE!!!!!!

[The Real Maroonblood]

3 minutes ago, Irufushi said:

I’m with parcelforce. STRIKE!!!!!!

Good luck. 

[Shooter McGavin]

3 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Mass strikes for more money egged on by politically motived union bosses doesn't cut it.

We are all feeling the pinch from the high inflation

I agree people should have rights at work and be protected though

 

It’s often the case though that the only way to protect workers rights is by striking, and a lot of the workers rights in place right now are only there due to striking and other forms of industrial action.

 

If you think being inconvenienced is bad, try and swallow your standard of life being chipped away bit-by-bit, year-after-year.

 

Striking is the final bargaining chip, without that, I dread to think how badly exploited some workers would be.
 

We’d be dragged back into the dark ages.

[Shooter McGavin]

18 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Obviously the more the oil companies charge, the more VAT the government gets.

 

If the government cut another 50p off VAT, what's stopping Shell, BP from not passing it on?

They could just increase their profit margin by another 50p a litre 

 

The government currently take 80-90% per litre through fuel duty and VAT.

 

The private oil and gas companies certainly are not blameless in this, but the government are not doing enough to help out.

[That thing you do]

2 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

It's a hard one if you have your own business though.

Costs are going up, but you want to remain competitive price wise. So what do you do?

If you put your prices up when you're supplying a service, folk will just get someone cheaper.

 

Yup. I have my own business and I was quoted by an app developer in Edinburgh for a semi basic info based app £85,000 to build it. My business partner is from Chile and he found a top agency there would do the same thing for £34000.

 

Guess who is getting the work?

[Malinga the Swinga]

3 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Private sector staff being awarded 9% pay rises all over the country, yet if public staff has the same it puts up inflation. People will believe anything. 

Where on earth is that coming from. I'm private centre and believe I saw a 2.5% rise, even with a strong(ish) union.

Private companies also have to make a profit to survive, we don't get continually bailed out by government with billions in subsidies.

Edited June 27, 2022 by Malinga the Swinga

[Ked]

40 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

The government currently take 80-90% per litre through fuel duty and VAT.

 

 

No they don't.

[Shooter McGavin]

4 minutes ago, Ked said:

No they don't.

https://fullfact.org/online/petrol-diesel-pump-price-fuel-tax/

 

My apologies,

 

80-90 pence per litre is what I meant to say.

[Ked]

3 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

https://fullfact.org/online/petrol-diesel-pump-price-fuel-tax/

 

My apologies,

 

80-90 pence per litre is what I meant to say.

No need.

I should have worded my response better.

 

[Malinga the Swinga]

Oil dropped further 5% today and stands at just over $100 a barrel. 

You would therefore be entitled to ask why therefore are petrol prices continuing to remain as high as they are.

The consumer is getting ripped off big time and will be interesting to see if this drop continues and whether we see any reductions at pump.

 

[Sooperstar]

1 hour ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Oil dropped further 5% today and stands at just over $100 a barrel. 

You would therefore be entitled to ask why therefore are petrol prices continuing to remain as high as they are.

The consumer is getting ripped off big time and will be interesting to see if this drop continues and whether we see any reductions at pump.

 

Quick to raise the prices. Slow / don't bother to bring them back down again.

[Weakened Offender]

4 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

The same as the rising cost of fuel.

It's all the Toaries fault and nothing to do with greedy oil refineries ramping up their profits and robbing the public

 

You have to be a special kind of stupid to not realise that that is absolutely the fault of the Tolies. 

[fabienleclerq]

4 hours ago, Dazo said:

Completely unconnected topics, on top of that what has this strike actually to do with the government ? 

 

The government have been running the show since covid hit. No one can agree terms without the companies getting the go ahead from the DFT. I'm at a loss as to how you can't see their involvement. 

4 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

The same as the rising cost of fuel.

It's all the Toaries fault and nothing to do with greedy oil refineries ramping up their profits and robbing the public

 

How much of the cost of fuel is tax? 

 

4 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I'm against all strikes.

 

It causes disruption and misery for ordinary people

 

The strikers are ordinary people. 

[ArcticJambo]

5 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Private sector staff being awarded 9% pay rises all over the country, yet if public staff has the same it puts up inflation. People will believe anything. 

I'm in the private sector and only got a 4% rise; that extra 40p p/h raise doesn't come off your taxes!

[rudiatemyhamster]

3 hours ago, That thing you do said:

Yup. I have my own business and I was quoted by an app developer in Edinburgh for a semi basic info based app £85,000 to build it. My business partner is from Chile and he found a top agency there would do the same thing for £34000.

 

Guess who is getting the work?

Risky game developing apps - they always want more cash. Let us know how it goes 👍

[Dennis Reynolds]

I only got a 1.9% raise in the private sector. 

 

Interview on Wednesday though so hopefully it's one of the 9% places. It's not a bank or anything to do with finance so probably not though ☹️

 

 

[Pans Jambo]

4 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Mass strikes for more money egged on by politically motived union bosses doesn't cut it.

We are all feeling the pinch from the high inflation

I agree people should have rights at work and be protected though

High inflation due to Tory Brexit. Sterling has crashed against the USD. We buy oil on the markets in USD. Tadaa!!!

What other country has inflation at 11% and rising??? Apart from Russia???

 

Is it OK to allow an employer to ask you to work more hours for the same pay? Threaten to pay off you or your colleagues? No pay rise for 3 years?

 

How did Network Rail make over £500M in profit during Covid? The government paid them with subsidies but its not going to the wokers. It went to the company profits and the shareholders dividends. Privatise the profits, nationalise the losses and feck the workers over at every turn. 
 

Mon the strikers. The balance of power is starting to shift again. 

[Cade]

the government are poor, powerless souls not responsible for anything.

 

stop picking on them

 

they've only been in power for twelve years

 

it's all gordon browns fault

 

theyre trying their best

 

leave them alone

 

[Dazo]

6 hours ago, Cade said:

the government are poor, powerless souls not responsible for anything.

 

stop picking on them

 

they've only been in power for twelve years

 

it's all gordon browns fault

 

theyre trying their best

 

leave them alone

 

You love extremes eh. 😂

 

No one is saying any of those things. 

[Dazo]

8 hours ago, fabienleclerq said:

 

The government have been running the show since covid hit. No one can agree terms without the companies getting the go ahead from the DFT. I'm at a loss as to how you can't see their involvement. 

 

So has the government refused to sanction any pay offers ?