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If you think Teresa May's Brexit was a soft Brexit, you need to go back and look at her shitey deal.

 

It was a slightly less Hard Brexit than the cliff-edge car crash that we ended up with after the swivel-eyed lunatics took over.

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Francis Albert

After Harold Wilson's shock resignation on 16th March a new party leader was elected and Jim Callaghan was PM  within 3 weeks. Why should it take more than twice as long nearly 50 years later? 

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2 hours ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

By voting for May's deal SNP MPs could have helped secure a softer brexit which wouldn't have ****ed us like BloJo's oven ready deal. Being a responsible opposition isn't just about opposing everything. But the SNP played to the lowest common denominator to further their agenda rather do what is in the national interest. 

It takes an element of common decency to be responsible and put national interest first though.  By not voting for May's deal the SNP have helped bugger the economy even more and make more families hungry probably for generations to come. 

I'm sure that makes you happy though. 

 

The SNP were opposed to Brexit, the Scottish vote was against Brexit, the SNP's supporters were against Brexit (democratically speaking of course.)

 

There are no circumstances under which the SNP were going to vote for something they fundamentally didn't want. We keep talking about mandates - they had no mandate to vote for any Brexit deal.

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Lord Montpelier
2 minutes ago, Imaman said:

Place your bets! 

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Wallace please. Has had a proper job, seems to know where Scotland is, cracking surname for the Nationalists to get behind. 

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13 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Wallace please. Has had a proper job, seems to know where Scotland is, cracking surname for the Nationalists to get behind. 

He's the last person the Nats would want as PM.

Whether people like it or not, a distinguished military career and then into politics will resonate with a lot of the electorate.

Sunak, who is more or less a billionaire in all but name, would alienate a lot of people.

 

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41 minutes ago, Cade said:

If you think Teresa May's Brexit was a soft Brexit, you need to go back and look at her shitey deal.

 

It was a slightly less Hard Brexit than the cliff-edge car crash that we ended up with after the swivel-eyed lunatics took over.

 

It was the LibDems not the SNP who ditched the small, narrow chance of a soft Brexit (staying in single market and Customs Union) because they didn't want to open the door to Labour. 

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Lord Montpelier
1 minute ago, Boab said:

He's the last person the Nats would want as PM.

Whether people like it or not, a distinguished military career and then into politics will resonate will a lot of the electorate.

Sunak, who is more or less a billionaire in all but name, would alienate a lot of people.

 

Yep. Doesn't seem to have any baggage of note. Safe pair of hands 

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The Real Maroonblood
15 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Wallace please. Has had a proper job, seems to know where Scotland is, cracking surname for the Nationalists to get behind. 

In the Scots Guards as well.

A no brainier.

:lol:

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2 minutes ago, Boab said:

He's the last person the Nats would want as PM.

Whether people like it or not, a distinguished military career and then into politics will resonate with a lot of the electorate.

Sunak, who is more or less a billionaire in all but name, would alienate a lot of people.

 

 

Sunak ticks a lot of boxes too. Raised taxes, socialist spending via furlough and supported the lockdown policies. All very un-conservative.

 

Anyone other than Gove, Dorries or Patel will be an improvement and as such, bad (comparatively) for the independence narrative.

 

It shouldn't make a difference as independence is so obviously the better option...but some folk can't see it.

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Just now, Lord Montpelier said:

Yep. Doesn't seem to have any baggage of note. Safe pair of hands 

My views on the Tories are well kent but he's the only Tory Minister I've listened to and thought he had something.

 

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Seymour M Hersh
2 hours ago, Sooks said:

Get the rest of those corrupt Tory rodents in the furnace beside him and then full speed ahead to independence please 

 

So you're advocating murder?

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Konrad von Carstein
1 minute ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

So you're advocating murder?

That's quite some take!

 

:1eye:

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1 minute ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

So you're advocating murder?

In the same way the rice pudding in a suit said he'd rather be dead in a ditch than agree a deal...which then transpired.

Lucky for him he is a pathological liar.

 

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3 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

So you're advocating murder?


Yes mate that is definitely what I was saying and it was in no way a metaphor …………… sorry if you are having a bad day 😞 

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Lord Montpelier
13 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

In the Scots Guards as well.

A no brainier.

:lol:

Him and Tugendhat could make a good team. Maybe make things a little more normal for the plebs

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doctor jambo
31 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Wallace please. Has had a proper job, seems to know where Scotland is, cracking surname for the Nationalists to get behind. 

Indeed

sunak nope- doesn’t know where his wife lived 

javid another non dom

Hunt half killed the NHS

 

Wallace has an air of competence and integrity the others dont

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JudyJudyJudy
58 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

After Harold Wilson's shock resignation on 16th March a new party leader was elected and Jim Callaghan was PM  within 3 weeks. Why should it take more than twice as long nearly 50 years later? 

Think Labour and Tories have different processs for electing a leader . 

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JudyJudyJudy
37 minutes ago, Imaman said:

Place your bets! 

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Hardly know any of them . To be honest never even heard of Penny M until recently or Ben w 

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1 minute ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Think Labour and Tories have different processs for electing a leader . 


Yes the Tories have massive game of pass the custard filled balloon to the next guy between their knees 

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6 minutes ago, Sooks said:

Let the carnage begin ……….. It is open mic night at the Tory Thunderdome 

Alister Campbell on Question Time tonight.

From Barnsley !

Should be fun !

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Riccarton3
9 minutes ago, Imaman said:

Underwhelming resignation speech 

Well, there's not really an avenue for the old bluster. Might as well be standing naked back at Eton in some traditional prank

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4 minutes ago, Boab said:

Alister Campbell on Question Time tonight.

From Barnsley !

Should be fun !


Hope he turns up in a loin cloth with a tiger skin sweat band on his head ………. Lashings of grease paint 

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22 minutes ago, Sooks said:


Yes mate that is definitely what I was saying and it was in no way a metaphor …………… sorry if you are having a bad day 😞 

 

:greggy:

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Malinga the Swinga
48 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Wallace please. Has had a proper job, seems to know where Scotland is, cracking surname for the Nationalists to get behind. 

Rumoured to have been responsible for the largest ever bar bill on Scots Guards mess. Just the sort of guy to take the role on.

Of course, now the real horse trading begins in earnest.

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i wish jj was my dad
1 hour ago, Smithee said:

 

The SNP were opposed to Brexit, the Scottish vote was against Brexit, the SNP's supporters were against Brexit (democratically speaking of course.)

 

There are no circumstances under which the SNP were going to vote for something they fundamentally didn't want. We keep talking about mandates - they had no mandate to vote for any Brexit deal.

So they effectively scuppered the last chance of securing a deal. Instead, they opened the door to the UKIP mob who didn't have any interest in compromising with Johnny Foreigner. 

 

What happened next was so predictable and will **** us all for generations. 

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JudyJudyJudy
35 minutes ago, Boab said:

Alister Campbell on Question Time tonight.

From Barnsley !

Should be fun !

Oh how will that boot Bruce manage to conceal her so called “ neutrality?  “ 

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7 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

So they effectively scuppered the last chance of securing a deal. Instead, they opened the door to the UKIP mob who didn't have any interest in compromising with Johnny Foreigner. 

 

What happened next was so predictable and will **** us all for generations. 

 

There's too much blaming people for not stopping the bad guys.

Blame the bad guys.

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Lord Montpelier
33 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Rumoured to have been responsible for the largest ever bar bill on Scots Guards mess. Just the sort of guy to take the role on.

Of course, now the real horse trading begins in earnest.

Sounds like my kind of man. 

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Watt-Zeefuik
4 hours ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

By voting for May's deal SNP MPs could have helped secure a softer brexit which wouldn't have ****ed us like BloJo's oven ready deal. Being a responsible opposition isn't just about opposing everything. But the SNP played to the lowest common denominator to further their agenda rather do what is in the national interest. 

It takes an element of common decency to be responsible and put national interest first though.  By not voting for May's deal the SNP have helped bugger the economy even more and make more families hungry probably for generations to come. 

I'm sure that makes you happy though. 


Why should the SNP have done the deal, when the largest opposition party was screaming at her every PMQ to negotiate a Brexit deal with them? Corbyn ****ed Labour by not being actively anti-Brexit but if she wanted to do a deal he was ready to cut it with her.

 

The answer is JRM and his corner of toad lickers would have revolted and sacked her if she did, and she liked being Prime Minister too much. But that’s not down to the SNP.

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The failure of May to get her deal through was down to her inability to get her own MPs to vote for it. Primarily the ERG group.

 

It was a Tory designed, developed and implemented project.

 

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Pans Jambo
21 minutes ago, pablo said:

Worth remembering that all those Tory cants who resigned are still Tory cants.....

The same tory cants are now hanging the narrative with every interview on the TV today, apparently the tories are brilliant and they have done "so-much" for the country.

 

Trying to save their own jobs more like.

 

Sir Keir is just another tory with a different coloured tie but I agree with him on one thing, the country needs a reset. A full-on GE is required ASAP.

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4 hours ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

Which nation? Plenty of Scottish kids and families are suffering because of the decision not to support May's deal. The SNP aren't responsible for Brexit but they could have helped secure better terms than we got. Instead May got kicked out and replaced by the fascist arseholes entertaining us today. 

If that was the plan all along shame on them. 

Oh dear 😂😂

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i wish jj was my dad
34 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

There's too much blaming people for not stopping the bad guys.

Blame the bad guys.

I know who the bad guys are but the good guys need to behave like good guys to actually be good guys. 

The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing

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i wish jj was my dad
20 minutes ago, Led Tasso said:


Why should the SNP have done the deal, when the largest opposition party was screaming at her every PMQ to negotiate a Brexit deal with them? Corbyn ****ed Labour by not being actively anti-Brexit but if she wanted to do a deal he was ready to cut it with her.

 

The answer is JRM and his corner of toad lickers would have revolted and sacked her if she did, and she liked being Prime Minister too much. But that’s not down to the SNP.

Oh, I blame the Tories. Make no mistake. But just because the Tories did what Tories do, that doesn't get everyone else off the hook. 50 SNP votes could have made a helluva difference. 

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i wish jj was my dad
5 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Oh dear 😂😂

Happy with families going hungry? Because I'm ****ing not. 

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manaliveits105
7 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

I know who the bad guys are but the good guys need to behave like good guys to actually be good guys. 

The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing

Quite and the snp were happy to screw us all over 

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Lone Striker
1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

It was the LibDems not the SNP who ditched the small, narrow chance of a soft Brexit (staying in single market and Customs Union) because they didn't want to open the door to Labour. 

Not quite. Their dilemma was trying to square their pro-EU stance with the result of the referendum.    Turned out that the majority of the electorate just wanted the democratic vote to be honoured - but the LibDems campaigned at the next GE to just ignore the result, and they got hammered for it.     I don't think it had anything to do with Corbyn's Labour.

 

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i wish jj was my dad
5 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Quite and the snp were happy to screw us all over 

I think you spectacularly miss the point. By not acting they didn't try hard enough to stop the Tories screwing us all over again. 

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Pans Jambo

So its the fault of the SNP for England voting for the tories since 2010 is it aye?

 

Geez peace.

 

If folk are that upset about the EU deal then lets find a way of re-joining.

 

I wonder how Scotland could do that?

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13 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

I know who the bad guys are but the good guys need to behave like good guys to actually be good guys. 

The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing

They didn't vote against it, but they couldn't in good conscience vote for something they were fundamentally against.

It still would have got taken down, plus the SNP's voters would have turned on them. It would have been insanity for them to vote for the deal.

 

 

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Lone Striker
26 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

The failure of May to get her deal through was down to her inability to get her own MPs to vote for it. Primarily the ERG group.

 

It was a Tory designed, developed and implemented project.

 

Indeed.   The original blame should be Cameron's for giving in to the ERG wing to the extent that he agreed to put in a manifesto commitment to hold a referendum if the EU didn't agree to a ridiculous ERG-inspired demand.

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i wish jj was my dad
3 minutes ago, Smithee said:

They didn't vote against it, but they couldn't in good conscience vote for something they were fundamentally against.

It still would have got taken down, plus the SNP's voters would have turned on them. It would have been insanity for them to vote for the deal.

 

 

We've gone around in circles for a few days on this. I respect but disagree with your view.

 

For me, there are circumstances when you should put the national interest first. This is one of them.  Every right thinking MP regardless of party should have voted for the deal that did the least harm. Not enough did. And we are now seeing the consequences of that. 

Just as we will see the consequences of a lot of Scottish Civil Servants being diverted from dealing with the cost of living crisis and all the other shit facing the country to focus on a Referendum.  And UK civil servants being diverted to try and stop the referendum happening. I don't see history judging NS or whoever is in no.10 kindly for that. 

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i wish jj was my dad
9 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

Indeed.   The original blame should be Cameron's for giving in to the ERG wing to the extent that he agreed to put in a manifesto commitment to hold a referendum if the EU didn't agree to a ridiculous ERG-inspired demand.

Agree with that. Few politicians come out of this well. Corbyn also has to take his share of the blame too. As do the 52% who voted for it.  I can't believe the monumental stupidity on so many levels. 

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