The Mighty Thor Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Bunter hanging on til September. What a ****ing farce 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 If you think Teresa May's Brexit was a soft Brexit, you need to go back and look at her shitey deal. It was a slightly less Hard Brexit than the cliff-edge car crash that we ended up with after the swivel-eyed lunatics took over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 After Harold Wilson's shock resignation on 16th March a new party leader was elected and Jim Callaghan was PM within 3 weeks. Why should it take more than twice as long nearly 50 years later? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 He got Brexit done though ……….. has any one let Stormont know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 2 hours ago, i wish jj was my dad said: By voting for May's deal SNP MPs could have helped secure a softer brexit which wouldn't have ****ed us like BloJo's oven ready deal. Being a responsible opposition isn't just about opposing everything. But the SNP played to the lowest common denominator to further their agenda rather do what is in the national interest. It takes an element of common decency to be responsible and put national interest first though. By not voting for May's deal the SNP have helped bugger the economy even more and make more families hungry probably for generations to come. I'm sure that makes you happy though. The SNP were opposed to Brexit, the Scottish vote was against Brexit, the SNP's supporters were against Brexit (democratically speaking of course.) There are no circumstances under which the SNP were going to vote for something they fundamentally didn't want. We keep talking about mandates - they had no mandate to vote for any Brexit deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Place your bets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montpelier Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Imaman said: Place your bets! Wallace please. Has had a proper job, seems to know where Scotland is, cracking surname for the Nationalists to get behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said: Wallace please. Has had a proper job, seems to know where Scotland is, cracking surname for the Nationalists to get behind. He's the last person the Nats would want as PM. Whether people like it or not, a distinguished military career and then into politics will resonate with a lot of the electorate. Sunak, who is more or less a billionaire in all but name, would alienate a lot of people. Edited July 7, 2022 by Boab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 41 minutes ago, Cade said: If you think Teresa May's Brexit was a soft Brexit, you need to go back and look at her shitey deal. It was a slightly less Hard Brexit than the cliff-edge car crash that we ended up with after the swivel-eyed lunatics took over. It was the LibDems not the SNP who ditched the small, narrow chance of a soft Brexit (staying in single market and Customs Union) because they didn't want to open the door to Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montpelier Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Boab said: He's the last person the Nats would want as PM. Whether people like it or not, a distinguished military career and then into politics will resonate will a lot of the electorate. Sunak, who is more or less a billionaire in all but name, would alienate a lot of people. Yep. Doesn't seem to have any baggage of note. Safe pair of hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 15 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said: Wallace please. Has had a proper job, seems to know where Scotland is, cracking surname for the Nationalists to get behind. In the Scots Guards as well. A no brainier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Boab said: He's the last person the Nats would want as PM. Whether people like it or not, a distinguished military career and then into politics will resonate with a lot of the electorate. Sunak, who is more or less a billionaire in all but name, would alienate a lot of people. Sunak ticks a lot of boxes too. Raised taxes, socialist spending via furlough and supported the lockdown policies. All very un-conservative. Anyone other than Gove, Dorries or Patel will be an improvement and as such, bad (comparatively) for the independence narrative. It shouldn't make a difference as independence is so obviously the better option...but some folk can't see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Just now, Lord Montpelier said: Yep. Doesn't seem to have any baggage of note. Safe pair of hands My views on the Tories are well kent but he's the only Tory Minister I've listened to and thought he had something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Sooks said: Get the rest of those corrupt Tory rodents in the furnace beside him and then full speed ahead to independence please So you're advocating murder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Seymour M Hersh said: So you're advocating murder? That's quite some take! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Seymour M Hersh said: So you're advocating murder? In the same way the rice pudding in a suit said he'd rather be dead in a ditch than agree a deal...which then transpired. Lucky for him he is a pathological liar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: So you're advocating murder? Yes mate that is definitely what I was saying and it was in no way a metaphor …………… sorry if you are having a bad day 😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Underwhelming resignation speech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Benny Hill theme audible at the end 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Let the carnage begin ……….. It is open mic night at the Tory Thunderdome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montpelier Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: In the Scots Guards as well. A no brainier. Him and Tugendhat could make a good team. Maybe make things a little more normal for the plebs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 31 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said: Wallace please. Has had a proper job, seems to know where Scotland is, cracking surname for the Nationalists to get behind. Indeed sunak nope- doesn’t know where his wife lived javid another non dom Hunt half killed the NHS Wallace has an air of competence and integrity the others dont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 58 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: After Harold Wilson's shock resignation on 16th March a new party leader was elected and Jim Callaghan was PM within 3 weeks. Why should it take more than twice as long nearly 50 years later? Think Labour and Tories have different processs for electing a leader . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 37 minutes ago, Imaman said: Place your bets! Hardly know any of them . To be honest never even heard of Penny M until recently or Ben w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 minute ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Think Labour and Tories have different processs for electing a leader . Yes the Tories have massive game of pass the custard filled balloon to the next guy between their knees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, Sooks said: Let the carnage begin ……….. It is open mic night at the Tory Thunderdome Alister Campbell on Question Time tonight. From Barnsley ! Should be fun ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, Imaman said: Underwhelming resignation speech Well, there's not really an avenue for the old bluster. Might as well be standing naked back at Eton in some traditional prank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Boab said: Alister Campbell on Question Time tonight. From Barnsley ! Should be fun ! Hope he turns up in a loin cloth with a tiger skin sweat band on his head ………. Lashings of grease paint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 22 minutes ago, Sooks said: Yes mate that is definitely what I was saying and it was in no way a metaphor …………… sorry if you are having a bad day 😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 48 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said: Wallace please. Has had a proper job, seems to know where Scotland is, cracking surname for the Nationalists to get behind. Rumoured to have been responsible for the largest ever bar bill on Scots Guards mess. Just the sort of guy to take the role on. Of course, now the real horse trading begins in earnest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Smithee said: The SNP were opposed to Brexit, the Scottish vote was against Brexit, the SNP's supporters were against Brexit (democratically speaking of course.) There are no circumstances under which the SNP were going to vote for something they fundamentally didn't want. We keep talking about mandates - they had no mandate to vote for any Brexit deal. So they effectively scuppered the last chance of securing a deal. Instead, they opened the door to the UKIP mob who didn't have any interest in compromising with Johnny Foreigner. What happened next was so predictable and will **** us all for generations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 35 minutes ago, Boab said: Alister Campbell on Question Time tonight. From Barnsley ! Should be fun ! Oh how will that boot Bruce manage to conceal her so called “ neutrality? “ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said: So they effectively scuppered the last chance of securing a deal. Instead, they opened the door to the UKIP mob who didn't have any interest in compromising with Johnny Foreigner. What happened next was so predictable and will **** us all for generations. There's too much blaming people for not stopping the bad guys. Blame the bad guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montpelier Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 33 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Rumoured to have been responsible for the largest ever bar bill on Scots Guards mess. Just the sort of guy to take the role on. Of course, now the real horse trading begins in earnest. Sounds like my kind of man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Worth remembering that all those Tory cants who resigned are still Tory cants..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 4 hours ago, i wish jj was my dad said: By voting for May's deal SNP MPs could have helped secure a softer brexit which wouldn't have ****ed us like BloJo's oven ready deal. Being a responsible opposition isn't just about opposing everything. But the SNP played to the lowest common denominator to further their agenda rather do what is in the national interest. It takes an element of common decency to be responsible and put national interest first though. By not voting for May's deal the SNP have helped bugger the economy even more and make more families hungry probably for generations to come. I'm sure that makes you happy though. Why should the SNP have done the deal, when the largest opposition party was screaming at her every PMQ to negotiate a Brexit deal with them? Corbyn ****ed Labour by not being actively anti-Brexit but if she wanted to do a deal he was ready to cut it with her. The answer is JRM and his corner of toad lickers would have revolted and sacked her if she did, and she liked being Prime Minister too much. But that’s not down to the SNP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) The failure of May to get her deal through was down to her inability to get her own MPs to vote for it. Primarily the ERG group. It was a Tory designed, developed and implemented project. Edited July 7, 2022 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 21 minutes ago, pablo said: Worth remembering that all those Tory cants who resigned are still Tory cants..... The same tory cants are now hanging the narrative with every interview on the TV today, apparently the tories are brilliant and they have done "so-much" for the country. Trying to save their own jobs more like. Sir Keir is just another tory with a different coloured tie but I agree with him on one thing, the country needs a reset. A full-on GE is required ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 4 hours ago, i wish jj was my dad said: Which nation? Plenty of Scottish kids and families are suffering because of the decision not to support May's deal. The SNP aren't responsible for Brexit but they could have helped secure better terms than we got. Instead May got kicked out and replaced by the fascist arseholes entertaining us today. If that was the plan all along shame on them. Oh dear 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 34 minutes ago, Smithee said: There's too much blaming people for not stopping the bad guys. Blame the bad guys. I know who the bad guys are but the good guys need to behave like good guys to actually be good guys. The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 20 minutes ago, Led Tasso said: Why should the SNP have done the deal, when the largest opposition party was screaming at her every PMQ to negotiate a Brexit deal with them? Corbyn ****ed Labour by not being actively anti-Brexit but if she wanted to do a deal he was ready to cut it with her. The answer is JRM and his corner of toad lickers would have revolted and sacked her if she did, and she liked being Prime Minister too much. But that’s not down to the SNP. Oh, I blame the Tories. Make no mistake. But just because the Tories did what Tories do, that doesn't get everyone else off the hook. 50 SNP votes could have made a helluva difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, XB52 said: Oh dear 😂😂 Happy with families going hungry? Because I'm ****ing not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said: I know who the bad guys are but the good guys need to behave like good guys to actually be good guys. The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing Quite and the snp were happy to screw us all over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said: It was the LibDems not the SNP who ditched the small, narrow chance of a soft Brexit (staying in single market and Customs Union) because they didn't want to open the door to Labour. Not quite. Their dilemma was trying to square their pro-EU stance with the result of the referendum. Turned out that the majority of the electorate just wanted the democratic vote to be honoured - but the LibDems campaigned at the next GE to just ignore the result, and they got hammered for it. I don't think it had anything to do with Corbyn's Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Quite and the snp were happy to screw us all over I think you spectacularly miss the point. By not acting they didn't try hard enough to stop the Tories screwing us all over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) So its the fault of the SNP for England voting for the tories since 2010 is it aye? Geez peace. If folk are that upset about the EU deal then lets find a way of re-joining. I wonder how Scotland could do that? Edited July 7, 2022 by Pans Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said: I know who the bad guys are but the good guys need to behave like good guys to actually be good guys. The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing They didn't vote against it, but they couldn't in good conscience vote for something they were fundamentally against. It still would have got taken down, plus the SNP's voters would have turned on them. It would have been insanity for them to vote for the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 26 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: The failure of May to get her deal through was down to her inability to get her own MPs to vote for it. Primarily the ERG group. It was a Tory designed, developed and implemented project. Indeed. The original blame should be Cameron's for giving in to the ERG wing to the extent that he agreed to put in a manifesto commitment to hold a referendum if the EU didn't agree to a ridiculous ERG-inspired demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Smithee said: They didn't vote against it, but they couldn't in good conscience vote for something they were fundamentally against. It still would have got taken down, plus the SNP's voters would have turned on them. It would have been insanity for them to vote for the deal. We've gone around in circles for a few days on this. I respect but disagree with your view. For me, there are circumstances when you should put the national interest first. This is one of them. Every right thinking MP regardless of party should have voted for the deal that did the least harm. Not enough did. And we are now seeing the consequences of that. Just as we will see the consequences of a lot of Scottish Civil Servants being diverted from dealing with the cost of living crisis and all the other shit facing the country to focus on a Referendum. And UK civil servants being diverted to try and stop the referendum happening. I don't see history judging NS or whoever is in no.10 kindly for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: Indeed. The original blame should be Cameron's for giving in to the ERG wing to the extent that he agreed to put in a manifesto commitment to hold a referendum if the EU didn't agree to a ridiculous ERG-inspired demand. Agree with that. Few politicians come out of this well. Corbyn also has to take his share of the blame too. As do the 52% who voted for it. I can't believe the monumental stupidity on so many levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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