The Real Maroonblood Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) Aye its like a football match. We won 5-1 but it should've been 8-1. Edited May 6, 2022 by The Real Maroonblood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dragon Reborn Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 minute ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Aye its like a football match. We won 5-1 but it should've 8-1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Aye its like a football match. We won 5-1 but it should've been 8-1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 3 hours ago, hughesie27 said: Fantastic results to see SNP and massive gains for Green too. Great things happening in Northern Ireland too. I voted SNP and Green in my ward. Hate the LibDems! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: I voted SNP and Green in my ward. Hate the LibDems! Another who lives in Edinburgh and voted for the status quo because of nationalist ideologies It's like turkeys voting for Christmas. Gobble, gobble, gobble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Roxy Hearts Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: Another who lives in Edinburgh and voted for the status quo because of nationalist ideologies It's like turkeys voting for Christmas. Gobble, gobble, gobble You don't know me, my ideals or reasons. I used to vote Labour both locally and nationally years ago until I realised they took our country for granted. I completely distrust unionists and their ideals and have a deep loathing of Cole-Hamilton, Jardine and their insipid team in my ward. I'm allowed to vote SNP and Greens! I suppose you voted for some unionist party? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Just now, Roxy Hearts said: You don't know me, my ideals or reasons. I used to vote Labour both locally and nationally years ago until I realised they took our country for granted. I completely distrust unionists and their ideals and have a deep loathing of Cole-Hamilton, Jardine and their insipid team in my ward. I'm allowed to vote SNP and Greens! I suppose you voted for some unionist party? I never voted because I was ill. I get that you can vote for who you want, but this election was about local issues and living in Edinburgh you surely can't be happy with the clowns in office. ACH and Jardine (who I don't like either) weren't standing in this election. This election wasn't about unionists and nationalists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) Based on todays figures a General Election forecast suggests a Hung Parliament with Tories largest party by about 8 seats. SNP up from 45 to 50 MP's. Source Sky. Edited May 6, 2022 by hughesie27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 27 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: Another who lives in Edinburgh and voted for the status quo because of nationalist ideologies It's like turkeys voting for Christmas. Gobble, gobble, gobble and most nats are as intelligent as turkeys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: and most nats are as intelligent as turkeys British ones, especially! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: I never voted because I was ill. I get that you can vote for who you want, but this election was about local issues and living in Edinburgh you surely can't be happy with the clowns in office. ACH and Jardine (who I don't like either) weren't standing in this election. This election wasn't about unionists and nationalists Hope you're OK Nucky👍. I can't bring myself to vote Labour, Libdem or Tory so I vote closest to my ideals and who generally put Scotland first both locally and nationally. I suppose it's loyalty more than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: Hope you're OK Nucky👍. I can't bring myself to vote Labour, Libdem or Tory so I vote closest to my ideals and who generally put Scotland first both locally and nationally. I suppose it's loyalty more than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 24 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: This election wasn't about unionists and nationalists. All elections in Scotland are about nationalists and unionists. Every. Single. One. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 38 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: British ones, especially! That’s some village the idiot comes from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 On 05/05/2022 at 20:23, manaliveits105 said: Exit poles show surge to Tories in Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 Move along comrades, nothing to see here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Gentleman Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 8 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Indeed, but I can't see that happening any time soon, as the Tories are just too strong down here, the SNP are their only challengers and they aren't popular enough. The Borders used to be a Lib Dem shoe-in, but those days are long gone, and as for Labour, well they would be as well not bothering. Take my ward for example, where the Labour candidate finished behind the Greens in 6th place out of 7. The Borders have always perplexed me. I mean, it's not as if they're dripping in wealth, are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 9 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said: Another who lives in Edinburgh and voted for the status quo because of nationalist ideologies It's like turkeys voting for Christmas. Gobble, gobble, gobble Another unionist who doesn't understand democracy, in fact hates democracy, but only when his lot get stuffed. People realise the big picture in Scotland and have shown they don't trust the tories to run a bath, never mind councils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 4 hours ago, John Gentleman said: The Borders have always perplexed me. I mean, it's not as if they're dripping in wealth, are they? The way I see it and I may be wrong but a lot of people there were employed by the big estates or farms and many others worked in woollen mills owned by wealthy people. It became traditional to vote for a party that helped their employers the most and that was perceived to be the Tories. It has been the same in much of rural northern England for a long time. Border people love traditional things like the common riding and club Rugby with sevens seen as their own and probably think themselves as borderers first before Scots. Sorry if that's a sweeping generalisation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 12 hours ago, Imaman said: Labour have the wrong man/woman (delete as per your want) in charge as leader. A drovers dog should/ could have wiped the floor with fatso Johnson he is a busted flush. The Daily Mail may have created a situation where their esteemed leader is put in a very awkward position, if Starmer were to resign, if found guilty of having an illegal gathering. They've been frantically and hysterically screaming for the police to investigate Starmer again, because they didn't get their required result last time and wanted to create a diversion for their man in the run up to the council elections. Should Starmer indeed end up being fined, and resigns as a consequence, Johnson is finished as he would have to follow suit. Even he couldn't brass that situation out. Labour may end up with a better, more fired up and popular leader, whilst the Conservatives have to come up with a leader who hasn't been exposed to explaining away the goings on at No10, and getting ridiculed in the process. The media wouldn't let those Conservative cabinet ministers off the hook for constantly defending Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 hour ago, XB52 said: Another unionist who doesn't understand democracy, in fact hates democracy, but only when his lot get stuffed. People realise the big picture in Scotland and have shown they don't trust the tories to run a bath, never mind councils. Being a unionist has no baring at all on how I would vote at a local election. I would be voting to try and oust the people who are running my city into the ground. That's democracy. I don't vote for a party because I support that party, I've voted for many different parties at different times in my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said: Being a unionist has no baring at all on how I would vote at a local election. I would be voting to try and oust the people who are running my city into the ground. That's democracy. I don't vote for a party because I support that party, I've voted for many different parties at different times in my life. It's also democracy to use your vote to send whatever message you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 21 minutes ago, Smithee said: It's also democracy to use your vote to send whatever message you want You've got it wrong. It's only democracy if the snp lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 17 minutes ago, XB52 said: You've got it wrong. It's only democracy if the snp lose That's about it! They don't like it up em! I tend to stay loyal to a party until that loyalty is abused like it was with Labour. When I was a kid, Gavin Strang was our MP and was brilliant. Compare him to Sarwar and Murray! Labour are lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 Sinn Fein seem to be doing quite well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CF11JamTart Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 Dunno what the turnout was like in Scotland, but 39% in Cardiff. Seems pretty poor. I know it's all about the result, but 6 out of 10 eligible people did not vote. The Welsh Labour councillors are getting themselves in a hot mess about just how great they are but that is a lot of people who are not engaged with the democratic process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CF11JamTart Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 20 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Sinn Fein seem to be doing quite well. Yup. I can see a united Ireland in my lifetime. Dunno what the outcome of a cross-border poll on reuniting would be though. In principle, a united Ireland may appeal to people in Ireland, but would they really want to inherit the current challenges in Belfast and an bunch of disenchanted Loyalists, and ex terrorists who are are running their own fiefdoms with punishment beatings, extorsion, and all other rackets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsmak Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, CF11JamTart said: Dunno what the turnout was like in Scotland, but 39% in Cardiff. Seems pretty poor. I know it's all about the result, but 6 out of 10 eligible people did not vote. The Welsh Labour councillors are getting themselves in a hot mess about just how great they are but that is a lot of people who are not engaged with the democratic process. People are so disillusioned with the whole political thing right now. We are lied to time and time again by the 2 major parties (3 if you count SNP) and there are no consequences for anyone. I think the whole system needs an overhall. It was created before TVs and Telephones and it worked back in the day. Todays world we have information at the tip of our fingers. The idea of it originally was it is impossible for everyone to be able to give their opinion on the things that matter. Therefore, we elect people to represent our views / areas into the house of commons where they would put across the points of their constituents and vote on our behalf's. It doesn't seem like that these days as the party whip rules all. These days we have the technology where we could actually have a 1 person, 1 vote on things that matter. (but that wouldn't happen) So how would we change things? Firstly, I think there should be limits on how long someone can be a politician - People should do it because they can represent their community or viewpoint - it shouldn't be a career. That way they would vote on the right thing and not worry about being re-elected. Perhaps it should be a conscription thing, like jury duty. You get a letter and it says, you are in parliament for 4 years - with all the wages etc - and that is that (or maybe this would work for a second chamber as we need to abolish the house of Lords - cause, why should someone have a say in my life because of who their great great grandfather was?) Anyway, I could go on! and I probably will later! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 minute ago, CF11JamTart said: Yup. I can see a united Ireland in my lifetime. Dunno what the outcome of a cross-border poll on reuniting would be though. In principle, a united Ireland may appeal to people in Ireland, but would they really want to inherit the current challenges in Belfast and an bunch of disenchanted Loyalists, and ex terrorists who are are running their own fiefdoms with punishment beatings, extorsion, and all other rackets. My fear is all the dafties will all come to Scotland if Ireland unifies. It’s only a matter of time too I reckon. The demographics are all going one way over there now. We get their thugs and enormous bigots? Barry🙈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, CF11JamTart said: Yup. I can see a united Ireland in my lifetime. Dunno what the outcome of a cross-border poll on reuniting would be though. In principle, a united Ireland may appeal to people in Ireland, but would they really want to inherit the current challenges in Belfast and an bunch of disenchanted Loyalists, and ex terrorists who are are running their own fiefdoms with punishment beatings, extorsion, and all other rackets. Interesting times ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: My fear is all the dafties will all come to Scotland if Ireland unifies. It’s only a matter of time too I reckon. The demographics are all going one way over there now. We get their thugs and enormous bigots? Barry🙈 We’ve enough drafties on Kickback who would welcome them. England would be ideal for them. Edited May 7, 2022 by The Real Maroonblood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 2 hours ago, All roads lead to Gorgie said: The way I see it and I may be wrong but a lot of people there were employed by the big estates or farms and many others worked in woollen mills owned by wealthy people. It became traditional to vote for a party that helped their employers the most and that was perceived to be the Tories. It has been the same in much of rural northern England for a long time. Border people love traditional things like the common riding and club Rugby with sevens seen as their own and probably think themselves as borderers first before Scots. Sorry if that's a sweeping generalisation! I'm afraid that view was maybe true 100+ years ago, but not nowadays it ain't. Not in the 50+ years I've lived in the Borders. The big estates are not the big employers they used to be, most don't even have tied-houses anymore, sold off as holiday cottages, as for the mills being owned by wealthy people/families those days are long long gone. Dawson International a multi-national company based in Edinburgh bought most of all the mills in the Borders over in the '80's, when they ran into trouble in the 00's they sold off most of the mills to foreign buyers, the mill I worked in was sold off to Italians, others to German, French & Japanese buyers. Very few are Scottish owned nowadays, not that there's many left now anyway. It's true that the Borders are a Tory stronghold, have always been a large Tory vote down here, however between 1965 to 2005 here was a Lib Dem shoe-in, with David Steel & then Michael Moore, before 1965 it was the Tories and since 2005 it's been the Tories again this time with David Mundell. Before 1965 was probably in part due to as you said, but since 2005 it is something completely different, I think. The rise of the SNP contributed to the demise of the Lib Dem vote, but the Tory share stayed the same, even increased, probably due to the huge influx of people from the central belt mostly from the Edinburgh area who moved down here and also a large influx of mainly older people moving up from the North of England, most it would appear are Tory voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, CF11JamTart said: Yup. I can see a united Ireland in my lifetime. Dunno what the outcome of a cross-border poll on reuniting would be though. In principle, a united Ireland may appeal to people in Ireland, but would they really want to inherit the current challenges in Belfast and an bunch of disenchanted Loyalists, and ex terrorists who are are running their own fiefdoms with punishment beatings, extorsion, and all other rackets. Unlike the SNP, Sinn Fein aren't focusing on separation, instead they focus on domestic policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: We’ve enough drafties on Kickback who would welcome them. England would be ideal for them. Scotland would appeal to them as we have just as many sectarian bampots here. Sectarism isn't really a problem in England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CF11JamTart Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, Bigsmak said: Firstly, I think there should be limits on how long someone can be a politician - People should do it because they can represent their community or viewpoint - it shouldn't be a career. That way they would vote on the right thing and not worry about being re-elected. I like this idea. Nice one. Might put and end to the gravy train / career policitians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 7 hours ago, John Gentleman said: The Borders have always perplexed me. I mean, it's not as if they're dripping in wealth, are they? You would be shocked, some parts of the Borders are extremely affluent, mostly because of rich people from the cities moving into the Borders, where house prices are a fraction of what they are in Edinburgh for instance and pensioners or near pensioners from the North of England moving to Southern Scotland. Why would pensioners move from England to Scotland, the lure of free social care in their old age, is a big reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CF11JamTart Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said: Unlike the SNP, Sinn Fein aren't focusing on separation, instead they focus on domestic policies. Yes.. But isn't unified in their DNA? I agree though that they do focus on the day job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: Scotland would appeal to them as we have just as many sectarian bampots here. Sectarism isn't really a problem in England Sad but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 26 minutes ago, CF11JamTart said: Yes.. But isn't unified in their DNA? I agree though that they do focus on the day job. It's also a reflection of the position being a border vote would be lost. A lot of Catholics don't want a united Ireland. But agree it's a long term goal. Still think Independence supporters in Scotland could learn from them. Not be in such a rush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CF11JamTart Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 44 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: Scotland would appeal to them as we have just as many sectarian bampots here. Sectarism isn't really a problem in England I found that when I moved from Glasgow to Bristol. It was almost a culture shock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: I'm afraid that view was maybe true 100+ years ago, but not nowadays it ain't. Not in the 50+ years I've lived in the Borders. The big estates are not the big employers they used to be, most don't even have tied-houses anymore, sold off as holiday cottages, as for the mills being owned by wealthy people/families those days are long long gone. Dawson International a multi-national company based in Edinburgh bought most of all the mills in the Borders over in the '80's, when they ran into trouble in the 00's they sold off most of the mills to foreign buyers, the mill I worked in was sold off to Italians, others to German, French & Japanese buyers. Very few are Scottish owned nowadays, not that there's many left now anyway. It's true that the Borders are a Tory stronghold, have always been a large Tory vote down here, however between 1965 to 2005 here was a Lib Dem shoe-in, with David Steel & then Michael Moore, before 1965 it was the Tories and since 2005 it's been the Tories again this time with David Mundell. Before 1965 was probably in part due to as you said, but since 2005 it is something completely different, I think. The rise of the SNP contributed to the demise of the Lib Dem vote, but the Tory share stayed the same, even increased, probably due to the huge influx of people from the central belt mostly from the Edinburgh area who moved down here and also a large influx of mainly older people moving up from the North of England, most it would appear are Tory voters. Thanks that's good information from a residents perspective. What I really meant was voting in a father like son, mother like daughter fashion rather than that the borders are like they were in years gone by. Edited May 7, 2022 by All roads lead to Gorgie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 4 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Unlike the SNP, Sinn Fein aren't focusing on separation, instead they focus on domestic policies. 😂😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 3 hours ago, XB52 said: 😂😂😂😂 How's that LEGAL independence referendum coming along Boris can say no as long as he sees fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: How's that LEGAL independence referendum coming along Boris can say no as long as he sees fit Depends if the Scottish people's sovereignty is challenged. If it is then I think we'll just declare UDI! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: Depends if the Scottish people's sovereignty is challenged. If it is then I think we'll just declare UDI! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 40 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: We are sovereign NT. The English are not and we could declare UDI. I assume you're not Scottish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said: How's that LEGAL independence referendum coming along Boris can say no as long as he sees fit Democracy in action, unionist style 😂😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 35 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: We are sovereign NT. The English are not and we could declare UDI. I assume you're not Scottish! I'm Scottish and British Roxy, but some people don't seem to appreciate that. I'll fight my corner against any Englander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said: I'm Scottish and British Roxy, but some people don't seem to appreciate that. I'll fight my corner against any Englander Why do you laugh at our sovereignty? I'm not anti English and have English family and friends. I just find it curious why some Scots don't support their claim of right. Britscots appear to be self loathing and cringeworthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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