Russia Invades Ukraine

[Sawdust Caesar]

The Keystone Corps in action.

 

 

Putin will be raging when he sees this.

 

 

 

[highlandjambo3]

1 hour ago, Sawdust Caesar said:

The Keystone Corps in action.

 

 

Putin will be raging when he sees this.

 

 

 

I have a feeling there will be a bloody violent clampdown in the next couple of days.

[Mikey1874]

On the matter of Ukrainian optimism mentioned above, one reason is what Ukrainians are doing themselves.

 

This programme has some foreign intelligence help,  something the Trump Maga caucus won't be able to stop. But this is an internal Ukrainian programme developed by Ukrainians using Ukrainian materials and knowledge.

 

So you can understand some optimism and positivity.

 

 

[Footballfirst]

A woman at Navalny’s funeral in Moscow made an apt comparison between Putin and Navalny:

 

“One sacrificed himself to save the country, the other one sacrificed the country to save himself.”

[JFK-1]

Leaked Russian military documents signal Putin’s ‘desperation’ | General Philip Breedlove

 

“This is a clear indication that Russia has known all along that they had limitations on their conventional capabilities.” 

The leaked Russian military documents outlining the Kremlin’s plans to use tactical nuclear weapons are a sign of Putin’s weakness, says General Philip Breedlove, Former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO.

 

 

[Footballfirst]

Another Russian ship hit by drones off Crimea.

 

 

[Pap]

13 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Another Russian ship hit by drones off Crimea.

 

 

 

That song is excellent

 

Bet the boy filming in the second video has a squeaky bum.

[Cade]

Just another Russian ship undertaking a Special Underwater Operation.

 

 

This was one of their brand new ships too, at the cutting edge of what Russia can produce. Only 4 in service with another 2 still under construction.

Well, 3 in service now........

Edited March 5 by Cade

[Malinga the Swinga]

2 minutes ago, Cade said:

Just another Russian ship undertaking a Special Underwater Operation.

 

You do realise that Russia won't lose this war and a negotiated settlement will eventually be found.

Don't see the reason to celebrate anyone dying, on either side, when it's a game being played by people who are nowhere near conflict.

[Mysterion]

22 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

You do realise that Russia won't lose this war and a negotiated settlement will eventually be found.

Don't see the reason to celebrate anyone dying, on either side, when it's a game being played by people who are nowhere near conflict.

 

If they haven't taken over all of Ukraine then they will not have achieved their objective whilst decimating their own mililtary. I'm not sure it's a win either.

[Mikey1874]

28 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

You do realise that Russia won't lose this war and a negotiated settlement will eventually be found.

Don't see the reason to celebrate anyone dying, on either side, when it's a game being played by people who are nowhere near conflict.

 

These Russian ships are involved in the killing of Ukrainian civilians.

 

So yes its brilliant they are being destroyed. Of course its sad for the very many dead  individuals and their families. However the Russian Government has an easy way of preventing that.

 

You must also agree its dreadfully sad for example the death of any Hamas fighter. Guess you're saying that too on the other thread. Though again another example that could be avoided.

 

[Cade]

Russia has re-affirmed its goals of totally dismantling Ukraine.

Medvedev even had a big map up showing what their version of a "negotiated settlement" looks like.
Ukraine is reduced to only the Kyiv oblast.
Poland and Romania get the western Oblasts.
Russia takes everything else, including the Transnistria part of Moldova.

This is their idea of peace.

Feck that.
Give Ukraine everything it needs to stop the Russians.

However long it takes.
We do not want to see the USSR rebuilt and a new decades-long Cold War which will cost untold trillions and put world peace at risk.
They must be broken here.

 

[Malinga the Swinga]

3 hours ago, Mysterion said:

 

If they haven't taken over all of Ukraine then they will not have achieved their objective whilst decimating their own mililtary. I'm not sure it's a win either.

I don't think anyone will win. All I said was they won't lose and a negotiated settlement will take place. Both sides will then spin outcome to suit their agendas.

[Malinga the Swinga]

3 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

These Russian ships are involved in the killing of Ukrainian civilians.

 

So yes its brilliant they are being destroyed. Of course its sad for the very many dead  individuals and their families. However the Russian Government has an easy way of preventing that.

 

You must also agree its dreadfully sad for example the death of any Hamas fighter. Guess you're saying that too on the other thread. Though again another example that could be avoided.

 

Of course it's a tragedy for any family of someone who dies. Must be worst feeling in world to bury a child.

Trouble is, governments, that means US, Israeli, Hamas, Russia or whoever, don't give a toss and will happily send them to their deaths if they get what they want.

Majority of people want peace but they aren't ones in charge.

 

[Hansel]

Russia taken out Facebook and Instagram 

[Jim_Duncan]

36 minutes ago, Hansel said:

Russia taken out Facebook and Instagram 

See, telt yous Putin was one of the good guys.

[highlandjambo3]

6 hours ago, Cade said:

Just another Russian ship undertaking a Special Underwater Operation.

 

 

This was one of their brand new ships too, at the cutting edge of what Russia can produce. Only 4 in service with another 2 still under construction.

Well, 3 in service now........

I think the sea and air drone thing is an absolute masterclass by Ukraine (and anyone else shipping these into Ukraine).  I’d imagine before Russia invaded these items of technology were well into their trial period of procurement and production but not on a huge scale.  Ukraine then had an opportunity to put these on the front line (whilst the tec companies watched on).  This has resulted in a master stroke of success although maybe a bit patchy at first, Ukraine now will be viewed as experts in this field and drone use by western countries will be on a massive scale up.  
 

Russias response….clueless really, this is something that has undone them on a grand scale and will continue to do so.  I’m actually sure there is not one single piece of “top” military equipment the Russians have that has been successful for them……..NATO would go through that lot in about a week.

[Cade]

Russia has also stated that their new generation T-14 Armata main battle tanks will no longer be deployed to Ukraine.

The reason given is that they're too expensive to replace in comparison to T-90s.

So Ukraine have scared them off.

Russia will still roll them out for propaganda purposes but if they're too expensive to replace on the battlefield then what's the point of them?

 

 

[Cade]

Russia has actually managed to destroy a HIMARS system, for real this time.

This comes after two years of many, many bogus claims from the Ivans.

Wonder how many Russian vehicles, artillery pieces and soldiers this thing took out since it arrived in Ukraine.

 

In other HIMARS news, one of them took out three of Russia's largest rocket artillery systems about 30km behind the lines.

 

[highlandjambo3]

20 hours ago, highlandjambo3 said:

I think the sea and air drone thing is an absolute masterclass by Ukraine (and anyone else shipping these into Ukraine).  I’d imagine before Russia invaded these items of technology were well into their trial period of procurement and production but not on a huge scale.  Ukraine then had an opportunity to put these on the front line (whilst the tec companies watched on).  This has resulted in a master stroke of success although maybe a bit patchy at first, Ukraine now will be viewed as experts in this field and drone use by western countries will be on a massive scale up.  
 

Russias response….clueless really, this is something that has undone them on a grand scale and will continue to do so.  I’m actually sure there is not one single piece of “top” military equipment the Russians have that has been successful for them……..NATO would go through that lot in about a week.

Just coincidence but, on the news last night, the navy were showing off their latest unmanned vessel capable of search & rescue, patrol and of course combat.

[Mikey1874]

A challenge for those who propose negotiations to answer. Take it these people are expendable to you.

 

 

[Cade]

Deliberate assassination attempt or not, but a Russian missile hit Odesa yesterday, landing only a few hundred metres away from a motorcade taking President Zelenksy to a meeting with a Greek diplomat.

 

 

[Footballfirst]

Sweden confirmed as a member of NATO.

 

[henrysmithsgloves]

37 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Sweden confirmed as a member of NATO.

 

Kinda wondered why the USAF were flying a whole squadron over there today🤔

[Cade]

Looks like Russia finally managed to track down and take out a Patriot system (2x launch vehicles, at least dunno about the command centre and radar trucks)

This was over on the Donetsk front, so it now seems likely that it was this system that had been shooting down all those expensive Russian planes over the last month.

 

Ukraine only had 3 Patriot systems. 1 is stationed in Kyiv and will stay there.

The other 2 had been used in a more mobile role, moving around every few weeks.

Seems that this time they didn't move it for too long and gave the Russians enough time to find it.

 

Edited March 9 by Cade

[Sawdust Caesar]

It's a pity this guy isn't Chancellor of Germany.

 

 

[Mikey1874]

17 hours ago, Cade said:

Looks like Russia finally managed to track down and take out a Patriot system (2x launch vehicles, at least dunno about the command centre and radar trucks)

This was over on the Donetsk front, so it now seems likely that it was this system that had been shooting down all those expensive Russian planes over the last month.

 

Ukraine only had 3 Patriot systems. 1 is stationed in Kyiv and will stay there.

The other 2 had been used in a more mobile role, moving around every few weeks.

Seems that this time they didn't move it for too long and gave the Russians enough time to find it.

 

 

 

[Jim_Duncan]

2 hours ago, Sawdust Caesar said:

It's a pity this guy isn't Chancellor of Germany.

 

 

Nothing more stirring than seeing an angry German-speaking politician talk about war and invoking Ancient Romans, eh @il Duce McTarkin?

[Cade]

1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

 

 

The Russians originally said it was an S200 system, so even they didn't think it was a Patriot, at first.

People then looked at the images and found evidence that it was Patriot launchers, based on things like shapes of doors and wheels (nerds being nerds).

 

We'll just have to wait and see. Ukraine ain't saying anything.

[Mikey1874]

This is on Channel 4 on Thurday 11.20pm

 

 

[Cade]

The Vatican continuing its record of always being on the wrong side of history, with the Pope telling Ukraine to surrender

 

[Ulysses]

1 hour ago, Cade said:

The Vatican continuing its record of always being on the wrong side of history, with the Pope telling Ukraine to surrender

 

 

Really not covering himself in glory with this one.  **** sake, Franny, what are you playing at?

[Cade]

He's 85 years old and talks to a fairy that lives in the sky.

I'd not pay too much attention to what he says.

[Jeff]

11 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

This is on Channel 4 on Thurday 11.20pm

 

 

 

Its a tough watch for sure

[Jim_Duncan]

9 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

Really not covering himself in glory with this one.  **** sake, Franny, what are you playing at?

Maintaining a proud tradition of keeping the Catholic Church on the wrong side of history?

[henrysmithsgloves]

8 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said:

Maintaining a proud tradition of keeping the Catholic Church on the wrong side of history?

It either that or the injustice that Celtic got last week,he took the easier option🧐

[SwindonJambo]

Posted this in the US Politics thread too but it's equally relevant here. If Orban keeps this level of arseholery up, there's no point in Hungary continuing to be a member of NATO & the EU.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68533351

[Ulysses]

11 hours ago, Jim_Duncan said:

Maintaining a proud tradition of keeping the Catholic Church on the wrong side of history?

 

Indeed, but since he took the job his marketing strategy has been to be a bit different to his predecessors.  He's kinda blown that, hasn't he?

[Jim_Duncan]

3 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

Indeed, but since he took the job his marketing strategy has been to be a bit different to his predecessors.  He's kinda blown that, hasn't he?

What senior members of the clergy may or may not have blown is to be judged by a higher power than me. 

[Mister T]

6 hours ago, Jim_Duncan said:

What senior members of the clergy may or may not have blown is to be judged by a higher power than me. 

😂

[Cruyff]

 

 

 

[Cade]

Same boys that invaded Belgorod last year.

Doing it again, in Kursk too, along three lines of attack.

 

If nothing else, it should take some pressure off the front lines, which are stabilising now just before the spring mud season turns eastern Ukraine into a swamp.

 

Russia's oil refineries and power plants took a pasting from fleets of Ukrainian drones over the last day or two as well, brownouts and blackouts being reported.

 

Ukraine also bombed a medium sized oil tanker that had been beached ages ago  on the Dnieper delta and was apparently being used as a forward command post by the Russians.

 

Hints being dropped that a major operation in Crimea is coming, maybes they'll get that bridge down yet!

[Mikey1874]

In normal circumstances say March 2022, what Ukraine has been doing bombing Russia / navy would be massive news.

 

Somehow I think the idea of Ukraine's defeat backed by Trump has infected the media. Maybe they don't want to upset him. Keeping their options open. 

Edited March 12 by Mikey1874

[Sawdust Caesar]

Footage of the beached tanker being hit.

 

 

And the oil facilities

 

The Russian Freedom Legion allegedly conducting raids into Russia.

 

 

[henrysmithsgloves]

56 minutes ago, Sawdust Caesar said:

Footage of the beached tanker being hit.

 

 

And the oil facilities

 

The Russian Freedom Legion allegedly conducting raids into Russia.

 

 

 

[redjambo]

Bloomin' eck. That vessel's superstructure went a *long* way up in the air.

 

[Mikey1874]

 

[Cade]

Medvedev has been on the bevvy again.

Here's Russia's latest "peace plan"

 

1. Recognition by the former (hereinafter - f.) "Ukraine" of defeat in the military component of the conflict. The full and unconditional surrender of f. "Ukraine," represented by the neo-Nazi clique in Kyiv. Demilitarization of f. "Ukraine" and a ban on the creation of paramilitary forces on its territories in the future.
 

2. Recognition by the international community of the Nazi character of the f. Kyiv political regime and carrying out, under UN supervision, the forced denazification of all bodies of authority in f. "Ukraine".
 

3. The UN's ascertainment of the loss of international legal personality of f. "Ukraine" and the impossibility for any of its legal successors to join military alliances without Russia's consent.
 

4. The resignation of all constitutional authorities of f. "Ukraine" and the immediate holding of elections for a provisional parliament of the self-governing territory of f. "Ukraine" under the aegis of the UN.
 

5. Official recognition by the provisional parliament of f. "Ukraine" that its entire territory is the territory of the Russian Federation. Adoption of an act on the reunification of the territories of f. "Ukraine" with Russia.
 

6. Self-dissolution of the provisional parliament. Recognition of the act of reunification by the UN.

 

So in other words they want nothing more or less than the complete absorption of ALL of Ukraine, which will be a semi-autonomous region of USSR Mk2.

 

And some feckin spangles think Ukraine should negotiate

[Mikey1874]

And Russia marking the election.

 

 

[kingantti1874]

Never really contribute on here but a lot of great informative posts

 

just an observation.  You really have to question the value of traditional, conventional weaponry. It’s only a matter of time before the ship drones are evolved into something quite unstoppable.  It’s only a matter of time before drones are miniaturised and evolved into something which makes a tank worthless . If we aren’t already at that point.

 

Completely random link here but he is a view to a drone developed to keep up with an F1 car.  I’d bet that’s already on the radar of various militaries to be adapted.