Taffin Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Just now, Maroon Sailor said: Auchinleck cup match ? The transfer window was open. There's zero benefit to Hearts now to do anything Rangers want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Taffin said: The transfer window was open. There's zero benefit to Hearts now to do anything Rangers want. So do you agree Rangers might have had something to do with him not playing against Auchinleck or do you believe he was injured ? I know what I believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berra than you Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: So do you agree Rangers might have had something to do with him not playing against Auchinleck or do you believe he was injured ? I know what I believe Nah. Hearts have done what's best for Hearts throughout this whole process. I don't believe he was injured Vs Auchinleck, but given the quality of opposition, and the higher chance of a good fee when he's not cup tied, I think they made the right choice. Since then, he's played when fit, unless of course you think rangers wanted him out the squad in the derby? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Just now, Berra than you said: Nah. Hearts have done what's best for Hearts throughout this whole process. I don't believe he was injured Vs Auchinleck, but given the quality of opposition, and the higher chance of a good fee when he's not cup tied, I think they made the right choice. Since then, he's played when fit, unless of course you think rangers wanted him out the squad in the derby? He's in an awkward position if he was to play against Rangers. Especially if the scoreline was like it was yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 51 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Can see Souttar being lightly raced for the rest of the season and wrapped up in cotton wool. Anybody who doesn't think his future employers are having an input as to his selection I can only assume trust the powers that be at Rangers. Absolute nonsense! Why would Rangers have any sort of input on John Souttar between now and the end of the season? We’re not getting a single penny for him so that makes no sense whatsoever. Hearts will do whatever is best for Hearts regarding JS and that includes playing him while fit. Otherwise he would have been off in January and we would have taken the £400k or whatever was offered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berra than you Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: He's in an awkward position if he was to play against Rangers. Especially if the scoreline was like it was yesterday. He may well be, but I think he's proven thus far that he's commited, and I think Robbie and the squad trust him. Separate point, but if he (and to a greater extent Halkett) had played yesterday, we don't conceede 5 goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Just now, Berra than you said: He may well be, but I think he's proven thus far that he's commited, and I think Robbie and the squad trust him. Separate point, but if he (and to a greater extent Halkett) had played yesterday, we don't conceede 5 goals. You don't know that - Rangers ripped us apart down the wings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: So do you agree Rangers might have had something to do with him not playing against Auchinleck or do you believe he was injured ? I know what I believe Yes, but that's got zero bearing on what's happened since the window closed or will happen for the rest of the season which was what your post I quoted was talking about. At that point in time it was potentially still in Hearts interests as they were: 1) negotiating the sale of a player so wanted to keep his value high 2) playing a team we didn't need him against 3) still able to sell him As soon as the window closed Rangers view on whether he plays or not became redundant imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said: Absolute nonsense! Why would Rangers have any sort of input on John Souttar between now and the end of the season? We’re not getting a single penny for him so that makes no sense whatsoever. Hearts will do whatever is best for Hearts regarding JS and that includes playing him while fit. Otherwise he would have been off in January and we would have taken the £400k or whatever was offered. If Hearts are cruising to a 3rd place finish I won't be surprised to see Souttar have a minor knock from time to time especially when Rangers come to Tynecastle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berra than you Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: You don't know that - Rangers ripped us apart down the wings I don't, but can make an educated guess. When Halkett has been out this season we have looked suspect at the back. Don't think Sibbick defended Morelos as well as he would have. As for down the wings, I agree. Can through Smith into that assesment. Whilst Atkinson offers more in an attacking sense, defensively I'm not convinced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Taffin said: Yes, but that's got zero bearing on what's happened since the window closed or will happen for the rest of the season which was what your post I quoted was talking about. At that point in time it was potentially still in Hearts interests as they were: 1) negotiating the sale of a player so wanted to keep his value high 2) playing a team we didn't need him against 3) still able to sell him As soon as the window closed Rangers view on whether he plays or not became redundant imo. We don't know what's been said behind the scenes or what was in the agreement. He's their player in the Summer so it's natural they'll have some interest in how he's managed until the end of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: He's their player in the Summer so it's natural they'll have some interest in how he's managed until the end of the season It’s madness if you think we’re getting any input from Rangers on how to handle Souttar for the rest of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Just now, Des Lynam said: It’s madness if you think we’re getting any input from Rangers on how to handle Souttar for the rest of the season. Not if we don't know what's been agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Loan him to Rangers for £25K/week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: We don't know what's been said behind the scenes or what was in the agreement. He's their player in the Summer so it's natural they'll have some interest in how he's managed until the end of the season Rangers literally have zero input until the day his Hearts contract comes to an end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Just now, David McCaig said: Rangers literally have zero input until the day his Hearts contract comes to an end. Yeah I was shocked he didn't play yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Not if we don't know what's been agreed Agreed? It isn’t a transfer between clubs he’s signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Yeah I was shocked he didn't play yesterday. I wasn't... we all clearly saw him pick up an impact injury the previous week against Motherwell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Just now, Des Lynam said: Agreed? It isn’t a transfer between clubs he’s He signed a pre contract agreement. Do you know all the details of that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berra than you Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Not if we don't know what's been agreed Agreed between who though? Genuinely interested, as I'd expect Hearts and Rangers to have had no dealings other than the failed bid attempts. Souttar is out of contract, and thus agreed terms with rangers off his own back. Why Hearts would then agree to any sort of reduced playing schedule for Souttar is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Maroon Sailor said: He signed a pre contract agreement. Do you know all the details of that ? He has a contract with Hearts. If you’re suggesting he’s signed a pre contract with rangers that states he can’t play against them whilst playing for his contracted club then I think you’re off yer heed! 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Just now, Des Lynam said: He has a contract with Hearts. If you’re suggesting he’s signed a pre contract with rangers that states he can’t play against them whilst playing for his contracted club then I think you’re off yer heed! 😂 Gentleman's agreement. Like the old days when a loan player could play against his parent club but didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_HMFC Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 53 minutes ago, feej said: Along with Moore and McCulloch Baz and Naismith too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 23 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: We don't know what's been said behind the scenes or what was in the agreement. He's their player in the Summer so it's natural they'll have some interest in how he's managed until the end of the season They'll have an interest, of which we'll be giving zero consideration to. Why would we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
132goals1958 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 58 minutes ago, graygo said: Being able to play on Wednesday doesn't suggest he could have been on the bench yesterday ffs. Purely a bit of conjecture. No need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) The defender is likely to return from an ankle injury and he'll be up against the team he's due to join in less than six months. That aged well. Anybody genuinely feel Souttar was ever going to play yesterday ? Edited February 7, 2022 by Maroon Sailor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, 132goals1958 said: Purely a bit of conjecture. No need. You're right there was no need, I should have replaced it with one of these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 I wonder if he really thought he was going through the window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said: I wonder if he really thought he was going through the window. I think he did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 44 minutes ago, Berra than you said: I don't, but can make an educated guess. When Halkett has been out this season we have looked suspect at the back. Don't think Sibbick defended Morelos as well as he would have. As for down the wings, I agree. Can through Smith into that assesment. Whilst Atkinson offers more in an attacking sense, defensively I'm not convinced The players left once you take out Souttar, Smith and Halkett are not leaders, for a number of varying reasons, except the goalie. All three out are leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berra than you Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Just now, Riccarton3 said: The players left once you take out Souttar, Smith and Halkett are not leaders, for a number of varying reasons, except the goalie. All three out are leaders. 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: I think he did Well, his super agent should have been making it clear it was very unlikely. Because it was. Based on the club Hearts were dealing with and the value of the player on the pitch. This, to me, makes it more likely he is genuinely not fit. Because how stupid could you be? Though if stupid enough maybe he doesn't fancy any return of the abuse which he was able to deal with for one game cos he thought it was a small price to pay for a January move Edited February 7, 2022 by Riccarton3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 27 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said: Well, his super agent should have been making it clear it was very unlikely. Because it was. Based on the club Hearts were dealing with and the value of the player on the pitch. This, to me, makes it more likely he is genuinely not fit. Because how stupid could you be? Though if stupid enough maybe he doesn't fancy any return of the abuse which he was able to deal with for one game cos he thought it was a small price to pay for a January move Do you think he thought he was going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Maroon Sailor said: Do you think he thought he was going? Only if he thought Hearts were not being serious about their asking price, whatever it was. And I find that hard to believe. But he could have imagined Rangers meeting the price 😂😂 There's always one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 2 hours ago, dumpson said: Typical Hearts, we turn down £300k and his legs fall off. At least him and Halliday would have enjoyed yesterday. Will be interesting what Halliday has to say on his podcast, no doubt Ferry will mention the welcome he got when he came on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RENE Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Barack said: "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know." Very true. My head hurts...😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Funny the two games hes missed have been the games rangers would want him to miss. Fully expect he is miraculously fit again for our next match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 31 minutes ago, Shanks said: Funny the two games hes missed have been the games rangers would want him to miss. Fully expect he is miraculously fit again for our next match. He's got his knock pencilled in for the post split match with Rangers. Just waiting for the date to be confirmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Six and a half years at the club and will never play 20 games on the trot for us, really can’t see him being able to physically stand up to playing the amount of high pressure games they play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Riccarton3 said: I wonder if he really thought he was going through the window. Do you think that’s how he got injured? Most people would go through the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboT Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Shanks said: Funny the two games hes missed have been the games rangers would want him to miss. Fully expect he is miraculously fit again for our next match. Why would Rangers want him to miss the Derby with Hibs? Genuine question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, TurboT said: Why would Rangers want him to miss the Derby with Hibs? Genuine question Possibly greater chance of picking up a serious injury against those poorly-refereed, hammer-throwing carthorses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Some folk are just desperate for drama, if he was fit he would have played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, jambopilms said: Some folk are just desperate for drama, if he was fit he would have played. Robbie Neilson insists he’ll have no problem throwing Rangers-bound John Souttar into the Ibrox cauldron for Hearts tomorrow. The fit-again defender was the subject of three failed January bids by Gers, who have signed Souttar on a pre-contract deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 I think this entire saga is starting to have a detrimental effect on the team. The sooner he ****s off the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Robbie Neilson insists he’ll have no problem throwing Rangers-bound John Souttar into the Ibrox cauldron for Hearts tomorrow. The fit-again defender was the subject of three failed January bids by Gers, who have signed Souttar on a pre-contract deal. He failed a fitness test. Are folk seriously suggesting we knock back rangers bid but then let them decide when he plays or not. Edited February 7, 2022 by jambopilms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsandonlyHearts Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: I think this entire saga is starting to have a detrimental effect on the team. The sooner he ****s off the better. Well it’ll be a June now unless we garden leave him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, jambopilms said: He failed a fitness test. Are folk seriously suggesting we knock back rangers bid but then let them decide when he plays or not. I didn't think that would ever be the case but wouldn't surprise me if it's a case of Soutters head not being in the right place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, jambopilms said: He failed a fitness test. Are folk seriously suggesting we knock back rangers bid but then let them decide when he plays or not. Seems to fail quite a few late fitness tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, TurboT said: Why would Rangers want him to miss the Derby with Hibs? Genuine question The most rutted and bone hard pitch in the league would be my guess. Edited February 7, 2022 by Pasquale for King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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