Bazzas right boot Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 11 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said: But you’d play Moore, who isn’t committed to the club or as good, ahead of Souttar? Tbf, Moore could be trying to impress. If Souttar, for example done as Halkett done in the first game, his Rangers career would be off to, a terrible start, especially if the league was decided by a couple of points. He won't want that. Souttar will be in a very awkward position if he plays. Not to mention if he's poor and we get beat, they'll be all kinds of shouts aimed at him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwalter Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I like John Souttar. I am very happy with his performances for Hearts since he pre-contracted with Rangers. I believe he can continue to be a valuable player for Hearts. I would not, however play him at Ibrox. The game then becomes about him and there is a huge risk in asking him to shoulder that burden which is not worth taking. I don't think that he will be in the starting eleven but if he is I hope that he plays a blinder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, GinRummy said: I agree. If possible I’d rather let them improve against Dundee then Livingston than rangers at Ibrox but do appreciate some folk might not agree. If he’s fit I’d feel happier with Souttar playing than not on Sunday. Yeah, fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, Hackney Hearts said: It's not that Souttar hasn't committed to us next season (like Cochrane & Moore), it's more that he has 100% committed to another team (Sunday's opponents). I actually think Cochrane and Moore would like to stay, but it may not be up to them. FWIW though, I'd play Souttar against Rangers. I can see how you’d think Moore would want to stay but Cochrane seemed fairly certain he’d like another go with Brighton in the last interview with him I read. Could just be being polite to his parent club I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 52 minutes ago, GinRummy said: The defence looked a bit ropey on Tuesday. He plays on Sunday for me. Although I think we settled down it’s hard to argue with that. Players back players and will often find themselves in the same situation one day so I’m sure they’ll understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Factuer Moi Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 We get to the nitty gritty part of the pre contract, will John play V Them. Have questioned this from that Friday of sin, John is currently classed as not fit to play, so will he play V Them. I asked this right at the start, we get to see soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 42 minutes ago, niblick1874 said: You post that he will play if fit as a fact and then say "if he doesn't then what will be the point of turning down a six figure sum. What was the point in the first line? Should the first line not read, if fit I think he should play? I was replying to someone that said he shouldn't play. Next time I post something, I'll remember to run it past you for approval. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, OmiyaHearts said: What about the games he started v Hibs, Dundee U, Motherwell, St Mirren, Livi, Dundee & St Johnsone and we got a clean sheet? Hibs, Dundee U, Motherwell, St Mirren, Livi, Dundee where before he said that he does not have a future with Hearts. If Your advocating here is saying to Taylor Moore( he wont be ahead of Sibbick and Kingsley) Do you want to sign for us but your dropped for a player who has no interest in Hearts future. In fact its in his own interest to see us play badly. If injuries happen then play him. We should not be sacrificing opportunities for our back three to gel for John Souttar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Bazzas right boot said: Tbf, Moore could be trying to impress. If Souttar, for example done as Halkett done in the first game, his Rangers career would be off to, a terrible start, especially if the league was decided by a couple of points. He won't want that. Souttar will be in a very awkward position if he plays. Not to mention if he's poor and we get beat, they'll be all kinds of shouts aimed at him. Good. He put himself in this position and his future employers didn’t help by trying to get him on the cheap. If he signed thinking he’d now be a Rangers player then more fool him for believe those charlatans. As for Rangers well they reap what they sow. They still think they’re something special and we should all bow down to them, but those days are long gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rudolf said: He will play if fit. If he doesn't play then what would be the point of turning down a six figure sum? 1 hour ago, niblick1874 said: You post that he will play if fit as a fact and then say "if he doesn't then what will be the point of turning down a six figure sum. What was the point in the first line? Should the first line not read, if fit I think he should play? 56 minutes ago, Rudolf said: I was replying to someone that said he shouldn't play. Next time I post something, I'll remember to run it past you for approval. It had nothing to do with what you were replying to. You said he would play. You don't know that. Then you went on to say that if he doesn't, it would be a waste of 500.000. **** their 500.000 and **** them. We need nether. We are the Heart of Midlothian FC and telling them to ram it is feeling good. As in, not being cowardly. COME ON THE HEARTS. Edited February 3, 2022 by niblick1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 14 minutes ago, Rudy T said: Good. He put himself in this position and his future employers didn’t help by trying to get him on the cheap. If he signed thinking he’d now be a Rangers player then more fool him for believe those charlatans. As for Rangers well they reap what they sow. They still think they’re something special and we should all bow down to them, but those days are long gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 13 minutes ago, niblick1874 said: It had nothing to do with what you were replying to. You said he would play. You don't know that. Then you went on to say that if he doesn't, it would be a waste of 500.000. **** their 500.000 and **** them. We need nether. We are the Heart of Midlothian FC and telling them to ram it is feeling good. As in, not being cowardly. COME ON THE HEARTS. Christ, calm down ffs. Also a little error by you. Where did I mention £500.000? (that's £500 by the way, not £500,000 so a couple of errors). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 37 minutes ago, Rudy T said: Good. He put himself in this position and his future employers didn’t help by trying to get him on the cheap. If he signed thinking he’d now be a Rangers player then more fool him for believe those charlatans. As for Rangers well they reap what they sow. They still think they’re something special and we should all bow down to them, but those days are long gone. It's really not good for him or us. It's actually shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybalfour Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I hope Robbie isn't foolish enough to play him.There is a clear conflict of interest for Souttar and us. We have all changed jobs at some point and once you aren't committed to a job your heart goes out of it. Your boss knows it and you know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Let's say Souttar plays. If we get a penalty - I know, bear with me - and Boyce is off the pitch.... Souttar has been 2nd choice taker and done well.... Would we be happy to let him take it? To claim a point, or even three? Would he refuse to take it? High stakes. I'd love it (Keegan-style) if he scored, penalty or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamborich Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Just jumped on the thread imo no way should he play can’t believe he’s even been considered, not got a problem with him playing with us rest of the season but to suggest he should play against rangers is ludicrous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo_jim2001 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Let them see what they have missed out on with their giro offer,not funny for him or us but imagine if one of them gave their investment a serious injury,,will they be afraid to put any serious tackles in then,,anyhoo as I've said I think he'll give 💯 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsandonlyHearts Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, jamborich said: Just jumped on the thread imo no way should he play can’t believe he’s even been considered, not got a problem with him playing with us rest of the season but to suggest he should play against rangers is ludicrous I’m no longer a fan of Souttar but what happens if he’s man of the match every game not played against Newco moving forward. We need a point last game of the league season against Newco to get third. We also play them in the cup final. What do we do then? Let me just say again I’m no longer a fan of Souttar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 51 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said: It's really not good for him or us. It's actually shite. We miss out on what they offered. That means we have told them to take their bullying and insulting offer and ******* shove it. I like what we did. What you call shite, I call pride. WTF is going on in this place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) Play him against Rangers - why not? He's hardly going to go easy on his future team-mates any more than his future team mates will go easy on him. Has no-one ever played a game of football in a pub league when some of your team don't turn up so you take some of their players just to have a game and it's still ultra-competitive? Once the game starts, footballers at every level simply want to win no matter who their team-mates or opponents are. Edited February 3, 2022 by ToqueJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 13 minutes ago, jamborich said: Just jumped on the thread imo no way should he play can’t believe he’s even been considered, not got a problem with him playing with us rest of the season but to suggest he should play against rangers is ludicrous Then there are those that say he should play against them because if he doesn't. it would mean that the money we lost out on would go for naught. None of that takes into account every reason under the sun why he can't play in those games. As I said. WTF is going on in this place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 If I were Souttar I'd want to show the rangers support what I could do. I suspect he will if picked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Rods said: Hibs, Dundee U, Motherwell, St Mirren, Livi, Dundee where before he said that he does not have a future with Hearts. If Your advocating here is saying to Taylor Moore( he wont be ahead of Sibbick and Kingsley) Do you want to sign for us but your dropped for a player who has no interest in Hearts future. In fact its in his own interest to see us play badly. If injuries happen then play him. We should not be sacrificing opportunities for our back three to gel for John Souttar. Hope we are setting our sights at a better level than Taylor Moore for next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Ked said: If I were Souttar I'd want to show the rangers support what I could do. I suspect he will if picked. If he plays well he puts pressure on the Rangers management. Especially if we get a result and the gap to Celtic widens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Souttar should play and show them what they're missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 34 minutes ago, jamborich said: Just jumped on the thread imo no way should he play can’t believe he’s even been considered, not got a problem with him playing with us rest of the season but to suggest he should play against rangers is ludicrous If we don’t play him then it’s a moral victory for Rangers surely. They get him on a pre-contract, offer us crap money to get him now, we say no, but they hope that we won’t play our best player against them? Win, win for them. Loss for us esp if we get them in the cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Mentally its a big ask for him tbh. I don't believe for a second he would act unprofessionally, but regardless, its not a great predicament he's put us in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 11 minutes ago, niblick1874 said: Then there are those that say he should play against them because if he doesn't. it would mean that the money we lost out on would go for naught. None of that takes into account every reason under the sun why he can't play in those games. As I said. WTF is going on in this place. After last night he should be desperate to show them what they have missed out on. I don’t have any doubts that we should play him and he will give 100%. He is that type of guy. Picked up a really sore one against Motherwell by putting his body on the line for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 13 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Play him against Rangers - why not? He's hardly going to go easy on his future team-mates any more than his future team mates will go easy on him. Has no-one ever played a game of football in a pub league when some of your team don't turn up so you take some of their players just to have a game and it's still ultra-competitive? Once the game starts, footballers at every level simply want to win no matter who their team-mates or opponents are. That there is an analogy and a half. I never thought of it that way. Tell us more. I, if not others, want to know more of your astute insight where this matter is concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, billybalfour said: I hope Robbie isn't foolish enough to play him.There is a clear conflict of interest for Souttar and us. We have all changed jobs at some point and once you aren't committed to a job your heart goes out of it. Your boss knows it and you know it. Does the same go for Moore, Cochrane, Woodburn and Simms? We are not their permanent employers so why would they give 100%. We are also getting to the point of the season where Woodburn and Cochrane don’t want to pick up any serious injuries otherwise they won’t get new contracts anywhere come summer. Lots of reasons to question commitment of players at this time of the season, that’s why I think he just picks the best players and trust them to give 100% until they prove otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: If he plays well he puts pressure on the Rangers management. Especially if we get a result and the gap to Celtic widens. It's also worth remembering we have the second best defence after Celtic although our keeper has played a big part in that . I hope he plays and shows them they should have coughed up. Theres a long way to go in the league I'm glad Hearts are playing him. It's also a test for him I think he will handle it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamborich Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I’m a big Souter fan great but no way can you go up against at a team that’s just signed you….stupid decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Just now, jamborich said: I’m a big Souter fan great but no way can you go up against at a team that’s just signed you….stupid decision The boy Jones who they signed on a pre-contract from Killie a few seasons ago did. Think he scored as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrymac Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, jamborich said: I’m a big Souter fan great but no way can you go up against at a team that’s just signed you….stupid decision But they haven't at the moment, he is still employed by Hearts and we, not them, pay his wages, and if he is a proper professional he will put in his normal display. Hopefully all it will show is what they are missing by being cheapskates, and John will be looking to show them the error of their ways. I am sure with the advent of pre-contracts lots of players have played against the team they are signing for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertDawg Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Rudy T said: Good. He put himself in this position and his future employers didn’t help by trying to get him on the cheap. If he signed thinking he’d now be a Rangers player then more fool him for believe those charlatans. As for Rangers well they reap what they sow. They still think they’re something special and we should all bow down to them, but those days are long gone. After last night, he's probably on the 'phone to his agent about the Blackburn Rovers offer. League Table Team P GD Pts 1 Fulham 28 48 58 2 Blackburn 29 15 53 3 Bournemouth 28 20 52 4 QPR 28 13 51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 18 minutes ago, GinRummy said: The boy Jones who they signed on a pre-contract from Killie a few seasons ago did. Think he scored as well. He did. In a 2-1 win from recollection. Thumped it in for KILMARNOCK, his employers at the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 28 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Souttar should play and show them what they're missing. Yeah that's how I feel about it now. He's proven me wrong with his commitment in the games since, so I've no reason to doubt Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 minute ago, DesertDawg said: After last night, he's probably on the 'phone to his agent about the Blackburn Rovers offer. League Table Team P GD Pts 1 Fulham 28 48 58 2 Blackburn 29 15 53 3 Bournemouth 28 20 52 4 QPR 28 13 51 He can call his agent all he wants. He has signed on the dotted line for rangers. anyway he is only going to rangers because he has a sick family member remember? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 If he's fit I think he'll play. He probably already knows that Sevco are not going to win the league anyway so he won't soil his reputation with a poor performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 5 hours ago, TurboT said: The player he'll be replacing is Taylor Moore who will go back to Bristol City in the summer. How's that self-harming? Souttar is better than Moore, I think we can all agree on that and therefore I'd play Souttar if he's fit. Drop him after ER for someone who’d rather play for the opposition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Does the same go for Moore, Cochrane, Woodburn and Simms? We are not their permanent employers so why would they give 100%. We are also getting to the point of the season where Woodburn and Cochrane don’t want to pick up any serious injuries otherwise they won’t get new contracts anywhere come summer. Lots of reasons to question commitment of players at this time of the season, that’s why I think he just picks the best players and trust them to give 100% until they prove otherwise. Analogies that compare swapping players in a pub league to what is going on with this. Then there is comparing players out on lone playing for the team they are being loaned to with a player that has signed a PC for a very disliked rival then playing against that very disliked rival that he has the PC with, while everyone is watching. As I said. WTF is going on in this place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 37 minutes ago, OTT said: Mentally its a big ask for him tbh. I don't believe for a second he would act unprofessionally, but regardless, its not a great predicament he's put us in. Or him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, Shanks said: He can call his agent all he wants. He has signed on the dotted line for rangers. anyway he is only going to rangers because he has a sick family member remember? not strictly true. it depends on the wording of the PCA as they are not necessarily enforcable as they are a sort of agreeing to agree to sign. what i would say, what do you think rangers would do if souttar suffers another serious injury before the end of the season that will keep him out for more than a year? i dont think rangers would complete the deal and it might be down to souttar to try and force them to. the same could also happen but with the roles reversed if say tottenham etc came in for JS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ccjambo1874 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Play him. He's one of our best defenders. He won't put in a poor performance when he knows it could cost him a place in the national team. Steve Clarke wouldn't like that giving his 'fondness' of the rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RENE Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 13 minutes ago, Shanks said: He can call his agent all he wants. He has signed on the dotted line for rangers. anyway he is only going to rangers because he has a sick family member remember? He signed a PRE-contract agreeing to sign a contract at the end of the season. Wonder how much it would cost him to pull out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, niblick1874 said: We miss out on what they offered. That means we have told them to take their bullying and insulting offer and ******* shove it. I like what we did. What you call shite, I call pride. WTF is going on in this place. Pride? Depends how you look at it- not giving in to a shite fee- good. Having to play said player ( as he's our best player)and keep him match fit for the huns and watch him sail of in the sunset for **** all - shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said: Pride? Depends how you look at it- not giving in to a shite fee- good. Having to play said player ( as he's our best player)and keep him match fit for the huns and watch him sail of in the sunset for **** all - shite. Why are you making thing up. What are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 13 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said: Pride? Depends how you look at it- not giving in to a shite fee- good. Having to play said player ( as he's our best player)and keep him match fit for the huns and watch him sail of in the sunset for **** all - shite. See the bit where you say good. Hearts have been a big part of my life for 60 years and I can't remember a time when we have told them to stick it in such an out there way when it mattered. I get the feeling you wouldn't have pride in anything unless you got something out of it. You don't care about pride, I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 21 hours ago, Section Q said: After that display we should be going for 2nd place. He must play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, milky_26 said: not strictly true. it depends on the wording of the PCA as they are not necessarily enforcable as they are a sort of agreeing to agree to sign. what i would say, what do you think rangers would do if souttar suffers another serious injury before the end of the season that will keep him out for more than a year? i dont think rangers would complete the deal and it might be down to souttar to try and force them to. the same could also happen but with the roles reversed if say tottenham etc came in for JS Basically, if the PCA contains specific terms, wage and length then it's enforceable. If it's vague and doesn't contain specific terms then it isn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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