GinRummy Posted August 28, 2021 Author Share Posted August 28, 2021 Just now, Jambo92 said: With 3 CBs and 2 defensive mids its imperative we get pace and creativity into those wing back roles. In my eyes Ginnelly is perfect for that rwb in this system if fit. Sure he will be found up the pitch at times but you have that solid back 5 to cover. It’s been mentioned and I’m not against it but I doubt it’ll happen unless through absolute necessity and certainly not at the start of a game. I don’t think much will change today as far as the line up or formation is concerned (unless because of fresh injury). Maybe Woodburn for one of GMS or Gino? Other than that it’ll be 3-4-3, same side as last week. Tbf, we did dominate the first half last week, against a better side than United. Though we could have been doing with some better play in final third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 7 hours ago, Fozzyonthefence said: Surprise me, but I don’t see us winning this. Happily take a point. A point would be OK, but no reason why we can't win this. I'm with you-Pretty 50/50 tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted August 28, 2021 Author Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Debut 4 said: Very much agree. In he heat of the game, concentration can go too. I don’t necessarily mean players lose focus on their individual efforts but their positional awareness maybe slips, where they should be at any given time in relation to the passage of play. I didn’t think our system worked efficiently enough, in an attacking sense, often enough. People have spoken about Ginnelly moving to wing back. I was against it at first but it may be worth a look? I just think we need more instant pace and power on the right side and stop playing Halliday on the left ,push Cochrane forward. Or, we have a system that keeps one of GMS or Ginnelly in and have Woodburn playing off MBoyce. I’d like to see McEneff get a chance and have one less defensive midfielder. He’s got the legs to work the length of the park and get back into defend. But more importantly, another attacking threat from the middle to link with the forwards. Absolutely. My fear, in an attacking sense today, is that Halliday and Smith at WB will be more focussed on defending, as it’s an away game and Haring and Baningime though good players, just aren’t attacking mids, Boyce will drop deep looking for the ball and rinse and repeat. You stick McEneff in for Haring and tell him to get up and support the forwards and it’s a whole different ball game. Deliberately missed out Woodburn here because I know nothing about him really, though obviously he could make a big difference from what I’ve read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjack Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 I would go for a 3 5 2. Only 1 defensive midfielder. Play beni, mceneff and woodburn as a 10. Gino and Cochrane as wing backs with boyce and nando up front. An easy 5 1 victory today. Boyce 2, nando, woodburn and mceneff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicjohnston Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, superjack said: I would go for a 3 5 2. Only 1 defensive midfielder. Play beni, mceneff and woodburn as a 10. Gino and Cochrane as wing backs with boyce and nando up front. An easy 5 1 victory today. Boyce 2, nando, woodburn and mceneff. If only! 😢 would love something like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted August 28, 2021 Author Share Posted August 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, superjack said: I would go for a 3 5 2. Only 1 defensive midfielder. Play beni, mceneff and woodburn as a 10. Gino and Cochrane as wing backs with boyce and nando up front. An easy 5 1 victory today. Boyce 2, nando, woodburn and mceneff. Wouldn’t be against something like that. 3-5-2 gets a bad rep on here after the Celtic cup game but if there are enough attacking players in the line up it doesn’t need to be defensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo_74 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, Debut 4 said: Very much agree. In he heat of the game, concentration can go too. I don’t necessarily mean players lose focus on their individual efforts but their positional awareness maybe slips and where they should be at any given time in relation to the passage of play. I didn’t think our system worked efficiently enough, in an attacking sense, often enough. People have spoken about Ginnelly moving to wing back. I was against it at first but it may be worth a look? I just think we need more instant pace and power on the right side and stop playing Halliday on the left ,push Cochrane forward. Or, we have a system that keeps one of GMS or Ginnelly in and have Woodburn playing off MBoyce. I’d like to see McEneff get a chance and have one less defensive midfielder. He’s got the legs to work the length of the park and get back into defend. But more importantly, another attacking threat from the middle to link with the forwards. If Ginnelly has space to run onto the ball rather than playing back to goal, it would benefit him. Linking play from back to front isn't his game, he wants to get in behind and put the pedal to the metal. If we played him, as you have suggested in the wingback role, he would have the space to get beyond the right sided forward in a 3-4-3. It really comes down to the player in that position having good passing ability under pressure and in tight confines. Smith, as much as I love him as a defensive player, doesn't have the range of passing/crossing or pace to get beyond his man and swing in a good cross. I'd be happy to see Ginnelly given a run out in that position. the cover is there, two sitting midfielders and three at the back allow this formation to cope with more attacking players in the wide areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, jambo_74 said: If Ginnelly has space to run onto the ball rather than playing back to goal, it would benefit him. Linking play from back to front isn't his game, he wants to get in behind and put the pedal to the metal. If we played him, as you have suggested in the wingback role, he would have the space to get beyond the right sided forward in a 3-4-3. It really comes down to the player in that position having good passing ability under pressure and in tight confines. Smith, as much as I love him as a defensive player, doesn't have the range of passing/crossing or pace to get beyond his man and swing in a good cross. I'd be happy to see Ginnelly given a run out in that position. the cover is there, two sitting midfielders and three at the back allow this formation to cope with more attacking players in the wide areas. 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, jambo_74 said: If Ginnelly has space to run onto the ball rather than playing back to goal, it would benefit him. Linking play from back to front isn't his game, he wants to get in behind and put the pedal to the metal. If we played him, as you have suggested in the wingback role, he would have the space to get beyond the right sided forward in a 3-4-3. It really comes down to the player in that position having good passing ability under pressure and in tight confines. Smith, as much as I love him as a defensive player, doesn't have the range of passing/crossing or pace to get beyond his man and swing in a good cross. I'd be happy to see Ginnelly given a run out in that position. the cover is there, two sitting midfielders and three at the back allow this formation to cope with more attacking players in the wide areas. Good call on Ginelly at RWB. I think he could play that role. Only question mark was he let the guy run off him for Aberdeen’s goal last week. Goal wasn’t entirely his fault but he was in the mix when the blame is being handed out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 38 minutes ago, superjack said: I would go for a 3 5 2. Only 1 defensive midfielder. Play beni, mceneff and woodburn as a 10. Gino and Cochrane as wing backs with boyce and nando up front. An easy 5 1 victory today. Boyce 2, nando, woodburn and mceneff. No danger of us going away from home with 2 holding/defensive midfielders. We will hopefully weather any early pressure then force our way into the match. Hopefully Robbie will trust his attacking players enough to let them influence the game without fear of losing the ball occasionally, plenty behind to win it back. I'm going for a 3-1 win for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 4 hours ago, GinRummy said: We need to give teams more to think about. Hopefully the new look central midfield and Woodburn will see more threat through the middle. Right now, if teams deal with our wingers we aren’t much of an attacking threat. That is my thoughts on why we need Gnando + Boyce + Ginelly/GMS. I think Gnando will at the very least draw defenders off Boyce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said: No danger of us going away from home with 2 holding/defensive midfielders. We will hopefully weather any early pressure then force our way into the match. Hopefully Robbie will trust his attacking players enough to let them influence the game without fear of losing the ball occasionally, plenty behind to win it back. I'm going for a 3-1 win for us. Neilson’s first priority when he selects a team and formation and tactics for an away game (and some home games)is ‘avoid defeat’ That is never going to change the whole time he is here. We’ve got loads of more attacking options we could employ today to take the game to them, but he won’t consider them. 8 defensively minded positions, 3 attackers. It’s what he does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo_74 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Good call on Ginelly at RWB. I think he could play that role. Only question mark was he let the guy run off him for Aberdeen’s goal last week. Goal wasn’t entirely his fault but he was in the mix when the blame is being handed out I'd take that on the chin, he isn't a defensive player by nature, so you would have to hope that in much the same way as Brellier would cover for Fysass when he marauded forward, the CDM or RCB would be there and read the danger. I would say however, if played there, he would need to up his defensive attributes. Perhaps that in itself is the very reason why it won't happen 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted August 28, 2021 Author Share Posted August 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, frankblack said: That is my thoughts on why we need Gnando + Boyce + Ginelly/GMS. I think Gnando will at the very least draw defenders off Boyce. It’s great to finally have some options up front and agree about Gnando. It’s early days but feels like a good squad is being assembled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Ramsay Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Hopefully Gnando is involved at some point we need something different to mix it up a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, jambo_74 said: I'd take that on the chin, he isn't a defensive player by nature, so you would have to hope that in much the same way as Brellier would cover for Fysass when he marauded forward, the CDM or RCB would be there and read the danger. I would say however, if played there, he would need to up his defensive attributes. Perhaps that in itself is the very reason why it won't happen 👍 We’ll that and the fact that Neilson is averse to putting a primarily attacking player at wing back. It’s like he just doesn’t understand the benefit of wing backs at all. If you have 3 at the back surely you can coach them to cover a wing back attacking. Especially when you have 2 deep midfielders in the same line up Edited August 28, 2021 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walrus Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 2 hours ago, 1971fozzy said: do it 👍 a Hearts win , in the sun ☀️ a perfect day Tickets booked 🇱🇻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, Gordon Ramsay said: Hopefully Gnando is involved at some point we need something different to mix it up a bit. Boyce must be awful frustrated having to play that false 9 role all the time. Working so hard for little reward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
151 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, Walrus said: Tickets booked 🇱🇻 That's the spirit. We're just to the left of the goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king.Robbo Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Would like to see 3-5-2 today big Nando and Boyce wae Ben behind in free role bring GMS and Ginnelly off bench later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 2 hours ago, GinRummy said: I don’t know if swapping our forwards about will necessarily work. Wingers are inconsistent but poor wing back play and no attacking intent from the middle is the real issue. We played a home game with 8 predominantly defensive players and the one wing back who can get up and down the pitch all game playing at LCB. We need more attack minded players on the pitch and the tactics to allow them to get up the park. Ginnelly is the most attack minded player we have! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS98 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 If we had won last week I would’ve took a point today. 3 points is a must now against a 1 man team with out the 1 man. 2-0 Boycie brace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted August 28, 2021 Author Share Posted August 28, 2021 Just now, Thomaso said: Ginnelly is the most attack minded player we have! I’m not against including Ginelly in a front three. My point is the connection/service or whatever, from the midfield to the front three is the problem. GMS, Gino, Boyce, Gnando all capable forwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo_74 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 20 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: We’ll that and the fact that Neilson is averse to putting a primarily attacking player at wing back. It’s like he just doesn’t understand the benefit of wing backs at all. If you have 3 at the back surely you can coach them to cover a wing back attacking. Especially when you have 2 deep midfielders in the same line up Neilson is definitely a pragmatist, he will always lean more towards building a solid defensive unit than a gungho attacking team. But, once the defensive part of the team is in place and is working as a cohesive unit, the more forward thinking players will naturally feel more confident to move higher up the pitch. It provides a solid foundation, something to build on and in turn gives players the confidence to step out of their comfort zone and move the game forward. I think if they live up to expectations, the new players will provide the catalyst to go from strength to strength. I am looking forward to seeing Woodburn, it will be interesting to see which position he occupies. False number nine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky jamboa Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 I don't think we've got the players to suit 3 at the back - it just ends up being 7 defenders! so would go 4231. Could bring Haring off for Gnando and go 442 later on, depending on how things are going. Gordon Smith Souttar Halkett cochrane Beni Haring Gino Woodburn GMS Boyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost in space Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 19 minutes ago, DS98 said: If we had won last week I would’ve took a point today. 3 points is a must now against a 1 man team with out the 1 man. 2-0 Boycie brace. This is also my view - re points. We have better players in just about every position. They are at home though which gives them one advantage. If the players are motivated to push forward from the start and don't park the bus if we get ahead, we have a very good chance of winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, jambo_74 said: Neilson is definitely a pragmatist, he will always lean more towards building a solid defensive unit than a gungho attacking team. But, once the defensive part of the team is in place and is working as a cohesive unit, the more forward thinking players will naturally feel more confident to move higher up the pitch. It provides a solid foundation, something to build on and in turn gives players the confidence to step out of their comfort zone and move the game forward. I think if they live up to expectations, the new players will provide the catalyst to go from strength to strength. I am looking forward to seeing Woodburn, it will be interesting to see which position he occupies. False number nine? Sure I read Neilson say he would start off in a wide attacking role. To me that says replacing either Ginelly or GMS, more likely GMS and keeping the same broken system.( unless he can find a RWB or mould someone into a RWB) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Paulp74 said: I don't think we've got the players to suit 3 at the back - it just ends up being 7 defenders! so would go 4231. Could bring Haring off for Gnando and go 442 later on, depending on how things are going. Gordon Smith Souttar Halkett cochrane Beni Haring Gino Woodburn GMS Boyce take it you don’t watch much of Halkett. His deficiencies as a defender are the reason we are playing 3 at the back. He can’t play in a 4. But in the middle of the 3 he can hold his own because there’s not much thinking to do. But now that we’ve got Moore in, a switch to a back 4 is possible - if he’s good. Edited August 28, 2021 by A_A wehatethehibs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo_74 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Just now, JimmyCant said: Sure I read Neilson say he would start off in a wide attacking role. To me that says replacing either Ginelly or GMS, more likely GMS and keeping the same broken system.( unless he can find a RWB or mould someone into a RWB) Does Woodburn have the pace to play in the wide areas? I've watched the highlights real, and it is fair to say his touch and movement is immaculate. He also has a decent dig as well, just curious if anyone has been lucky enough to have seen him in the flesh and comment on how fast he is. I think we need our front players to stay further forward, open up the channels to run into. Stop dropping so deep to get involved in the play, bide their time and have confidence that a ball in behind will allow them to turn and spin away. The last few games we have been to eager to drop deep. Hopefully that improves and we see the whole teams starting position ten yards further forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Ramsay Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 19 minutes ago, Paulp74 said: I don't think we've got the players to suit 3 at the back - it just ends up being 7 defenders! so would go 4231. Could bring Haring off for Gnando and go 442 later on, depending on how things are going. Gordon Smith Souttar Halkett cochrane Beni Haring Gino Woodburn GMS Boyce Like the look of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, Paulp74 said: I don't think we've got the players to suit 3 at the back - it just ends up being 7 defenders! so would go 4231. Could bring Haring off for Gnando and go 442 later on, depending on how things are going. Gordon Smith Souttar Halkett cochrane Beni Haring Gino Woodburn GMS Boyce Gordon smith souttar moore cochrane Gino beni woodburn GMS Boyce Gnando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordiegords Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Any idea for a stream today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phage Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Gordon smith souttar moore cochrane Gino beni woodburn GMS Boyce Gnando This please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 53 minutes ago, DS98 said: If we had won last week I would’ve took a point today. 3 points is a must now against a 1 man team with out the 1 man. 2-0 Boycie brace. Yes . Must win game really . Good chance to get the 3 points away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Tambo_The_Jambo said: Yep 100% and we are favourites according to bet365 Not that it matters but UTD are favourites at these odds. 45/20 against 48/20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 minute ago, XB52 said: Not that it matters but UTD are favourites at these odds. 45/20 against 48/20 Where you getting Hearts at that price ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamiemac Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 https://t.co/bytlD9hh6I Interview with our new number 9, Ben Woodburn. Talks about what attracted him to Hearts, playing alongside Liverpool’s finest stars and his early impressions of Robbie Neilson and his “good style of play” (his words not mine 😂😂) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegie jambo Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 hour ago, JimmyCant said: Neilson’s first priority when he selects a team and formation and tactics for an away game (and some home games)is ‘avoid defeat’ That is never going to change the whole time he is here. We’ve got loads of more attacking options we could employ today to take the game to them, but he won’t consider them. 8 defensively minded positions, 3 attackers. It’s what he does sadly this what I fear. We have the personel to be positive and attack, but will play them? will he heck as like! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky jamboa Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 35 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: take it you don’t watch much of Halkett. His deficiencies as a defender are the reason we are playing 3 at the back. He can’t play in a 4. But in the middle of the 3 he can hold his own because there’s not much thinking to do. But now that we’ve got Moore in, a switch to a back 4 is possible - if he’s good. I take it you've not been watching much of Smith and Cochrane as wing backs in the 5 of a 352??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
160598 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: Where you getting Hearts at that price ? Utd 11/5 hearts 6/5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Thomaso said: Ginnelly is the most attack minded player we have! 100%. Definite starter for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Paulp74 said: I don't think we've got the players to suit 3 at the back - it just ends up being 7 defenders! so would go 4231. Could bring Haring off for Gnando and go 442 later on, depending on how things are going. Gordon Smith Souttar Halkett cochrane Beni Haring Gino Woodburn GMS Boyce This but I’d maybe start Mceneff instead of Haring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Just now, kingantti1874 said: This but I’d maybe start Mceneff instead of Haring. I hope so. Haring looks a lot slower these days. Neilson needs to see we need creativity in the middle and at least have one player who’s got the natural ability and thought to play forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ1977 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Just now, kingantti1874 said: This but I’d maybe start Mceneff instead of Haring. Also our only player with genuine pace. He didn’t have the best game against aberdeen but on the couple of occasions he ran at them he looked dangerous. If one of him or GMS was to be dropped It would be GMS sitting on the bench for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south morocco Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Russ1977 said: Also our only player with genuine pace. He didn’t have the best game against aberdeen but on the couple of occasions he ran at them he looked dangerous. If one of him or GMS was to be dropped It would be GMS sitting on the bench for me. Isn’t Gino quick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire_At_The_Disco Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 31 minutes ago, XB52 said: Not that it matters but UTD are favourites at these odds. 45/20 against 48/20 We are 23/20? They are 9/4…..I’ve gambled for 40 years…..we are favs mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambos_1874 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Is this on TV at all for those who can't make the game today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ1977 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, south morocco said: Isn’t Gino quick? It’s Gino I’m talking about having pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Jambos_1874 said: Is this on TV at all for those who can't make the game today? dundee united ppv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ1977 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Just now, Russ1977 said: It’s Gino I’m talking about having pace. Just noticed I’ve quoted the wrong post in my original reply🙈 was meant to quote the one above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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