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49 minutes ago, CF11JamTart said:

Just wow. Thanks for sharing. 

 

I'm partly speechless. But partly not remotely surprised. 

 

This is the direction of travel that we seem to be sleep-walking along. 

Yes it’s all very concerning 

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18 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Perfect really 

 

 

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1 hour ago, JamesM48 said:

Perfect really 

 

 

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I like this a lot. 

 

Especially 'it's called "having a personality"'. 

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Just now, CF11JamTart said:

I like this a lot. 

 

Especially 'it's called "having a personality"'. 

Yes me too . It’s really so simplistic but so accurate . 

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2 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Perfect really 

 

 

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If there’s one thing that I’ve discovered from speaking with a couple of more shouty trans-rights people, is that without (and even with) their trans identity, nobody would give them much attention given their non-existent personality. 
 

 

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14 minutes ago, jonesy said:

If there’s one thing that I’ve discovered from speaking with a couple of more shouty trans-rights people, is that without (and even with) their trans identity, nobody would give them much attention given their non-existent personality. 
 

 

Yes it seems their identity gives them an identity . Whilst no wish to stereotype a few seem to be very unhappy too . Eliot Page in particular is miserable as sin . Like the world is on their shoulder .  Sad really 

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2 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:


👍 like that 

So do i 

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On 10/10/2021 at 17:33, JamesM48 said:

Only just seen this. Thanks for sharing. 

 

It's mind-boggling. 

 

I heard Stock on Five Live a number of months ago. She was excellent: intelligent,balanced and quite humorous. 

 

I've got her book on order from local library. 

 

Probably makes me a TERF. 

 

But WTAF is going on? Lobby group got a death-like grip on a particular issue... Bulldozing any debate... And intimidating anyone in to silence. 

 

Does anyone ACTUALLY believe that sex isn't immutable? (very rare cases of intersex like Caster Semenya aside).

 

Sex... It's that thing based on your DNA.

 

 

Anyway... This is what cancel culture and totalitarianism looks like. 

 

You speak against "the party line" (or even suggest stopping to have a wee think), you get hounded out your job. 

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10 hours ago, CF11JamTart said:

Only just seen this. Thanks for sharing. 

 

It's mind-boggling. 

 

I heard Stock on Five Live a number of months ago. She was excellent: intelligent,balanced and quite humorous. 

 

I've got her book on order from local library. 

 

Probably makes me a TERF. 

 

But WTAF is going on? Lobby group got a death-like grip on a particular issue... Bulldozing any debate... And intimidating anyone in to silence. 

 

Does anyone ACTUALLY believe that sex isn't immutable? (very rare cases of intersex like Caster Semenya aside).

 

Sex... It's that thing based on your DNA.

 

 

Anyway... This is what cancel culture and totalitarianism looks like. 

 

You speak against "the party line" (or even suggest stopping to have a wee think), you get hounded out your job. 

 

I've believed Gender to be a sham for a long time. People should be themselves, whoever that is and like whatever they want, dress however they want etc

 

Sex though, is just your sex. It's no different to whether you've got brown eyes or blue eyes and it shouldn't shape who you are in any way. (I appreciate people dye their hair and wear coloured contacts etc)

 

I think the lobbying is so aggressive is because, whilst they can silence people, they know deep down cannot make them change their views.

 

For me, a male is a male, and a female is a female, and I'll never be believe otherwise. What a male or a female looks like, sounds like, acts like, what interests they have, job they have, partner they have, hopes and dreams they have...well there's endless possibilities and their all open to both sexes.

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27 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

I've believed Gender to be a sham for a long time. People should be themselves, whoever that is and like whatever they want, dress however they want etc

 

Sex though, is just your sex. It's no different to whether you've got brown eyes or blue eyes and it shouldn't shape who you are in any way. (I appreciate people dye their hair and wear coloured contacts etc)

 

I think the lobbying is so aggressive is because, whilst they can silence people, they know deep down cannot make them change their views.

 

For me, a male is a male, and a female is a female, and I'll never be believe otherwise. What a male or a female looks like, sounds like, acts like, what interests they have, job they have, partner they have, hopes and dreams they have...well there's endless possibilities and their all open to both sexes.

Totally agree.

 

And presumably the hard-line trans lobby are happy to mistake silence for agreement with their assertions. 

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11 hours ago, CF11JamTart said:

Only just seen this. Thanks for sharing. 

 

It's mind-boggling. 

 

I heard Stock on Five Live a number of months ago. She was excellent: intelligent,balanced and quite humorous. 

 

I've got her book on order from local library. 

 

Probably makes me a TERF. 

 

But WTAF is going on? Lobby group got a death-like grip on a particular issue... Bulldozing any debate... And intimidating anyone in to silence. 

 

Does anyone ACTUALLY believe that sex isn't immutable? (very rare cases of intersex like Caster Semenya aside).

 

Sex... It's that thing based on your DNA.

 

 

Anyway... This is what cancel culture and totalitarianism looks like. 

 

You speak against "the party line" (or even suggest stopping to have a wee think), you get hounded out your job. 

Wake up, folks! 👇

 

 

"Suzanne Moore - brilliant, furious, scorching and eloquent as ever - in today's Telegraph:

 

 

I cannot stand the platitudinous Thought for the Day that features on Radio 4’s Today programme. Wednesday’s was even more condescending than usual. We had Rabbi Laura Janner-Klausner explaining the whole gender/trans debate to us as though we were five.

Her eldest child is trans, and very good luck to them. Honestly, I mean that. But Janner-Klauser went on to say that sometimes, she and others get pronouns wrong because we all make “mistakes”, that we are fearful of asking questions about this contentious issue, so we stay silent and fearful. We should forgive each other our mistakes as hatred comes from a lack of knowledge.

All this was sparked by what is currently happening to Professor Kathleen Stock, a professor of philosophy at the University of Sussex, whose employment was “effectively ended” this week after her teaching union called on university management to “take a clear and strong stance against transphobia at Sussex”, to undertake an investigation into “institutional transphobia” and offer “unequivocal support” to trans students.

Stock’s crime? She recently published a book questioning the idea that gender identity is more “socially significant” than biological sex.

After the inevitable outcry – during which she received death threats from pro-transgender activists, and posters were put up around campus saying: ‘We’re not paying £9,250 a year for transphobia – fire Kathleen Stock’, she was advised by the police to install CCTV on her front door, to not attend public meetings, and that she might need security guards to accompany her around the university. Someone talking about harmless “mistakes” is missing the point, to put it mildly.

If anyone has thought about the differences between gender identity, biological sex and sexual orientation, Stock has. In her book Material Girls, she lays out her argument that biological reality matters. I happen to agree – but even if I didn’t, I would still defend her, firstly because I believe in free speech and secondly because I empathise with some of what is happening to her.

Stock was not able to attend a public meeting at the weekend (the police advised her not to), but a statement was read out instead. It included this passage: “Most of my students are the same as they always have been: curious, idealistic, insightful, passionate, full of bright ideas, keen to do the right thing, and very fun to teach. But what has changed on campus in the last decade is the way that technology – most obviously social media – has allowed a few students with totalitarian tendencies to have a disproportionate chilling effect on the rest.

“In my experience, plenty of academics will deny there is a free speech problem in academia. For some of them, this is because their own ideas are utterly banal for the discipline in which they work, so that they don’t ever have cause to notice the problem.”

The problem for Stock is that, while her vice chancellor supported her, her former union did not; her branch of the University and College Union has shown itself to have no understanding of solidarity, and is pathetic.

Having been threatened with harm and hounded, she is now being driven out of employment. Her supporters have stickered the campus with quotes from her book, including: “Trans people are trans people. We should get over it: they deserve to be safe, to be visible throughout society without shame or stigma, and to have exactly the life opportunities non-trans people do.”

God, what a danger she is. Burn the witch!

A belief in biological sex is now verboten. We must sign up to the new religion, mouthing mantras that many of us simply know to be untrue. The complex debates around gender and trans rights have tended to be seen as ‘women’s issues’. Men rarely write about them – and if they do, they are not sent rape threats. Their colleagues do not gang up against them.

As someone who has experienced this, I know how it feels: when I worked at a ‘progressive’ newspaper, I wrote how I believed biological sex to be real and that it’s not transphobic to understand basic science – and my colleagues’ response left me betrayed, broken, devastated.

At that time, I was sent messages every day from big names, and even former ‘enemies’, in support. In public, I was being trashed as a transphobe. My bosses did nothing, some because they disagreed, which is fine, but mostly because they were scared.

There is nothing non-binary about cowardice. There is nothing radical about allowing misogyny in the name of ‘inclusivity’. There is nothing liberal about allowing men to dictate which women’s rights are to be given away.

People like Stock – or Maya Forstater, the think-tank worker who lost her job after saying that people cannot change their biological sex – never asked to be in the public eye and to have to deal with the kind of abuse they are getting. As a journalist, I was perhaps a little more used to it, but I was still numb. Bullying does that to you.

In the end, you close down because, if you don’t, you simply break down. My loved ones were worried about me. I remember one ex-colleague writing: “I always thought you were bullet-proof”. Really? If you cut me do I not bleed?

JK Rowling also has first-hand experience of the mob. After she tweeted her support for Forstater (“Dress however you please. Call yourself whatever you like”), the three leading stars of the Harry Potter films, Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson and Rupert Grint distanced themselves from Rowling’s comments. Their intervention prompted a social media pile-on in which Rowling was called a “Feminazi, terf [short for ‘trans-exclusionary radical feminist’], b---- , witch”: “Times change,” she said, “woman-hate is eternal.”

The Witchfinder Generals of social media scent blood and go after one woman after another, but this is not to be relegated to ‘a woman’s issue’. This is one of free speech. We can believe what we like, but only if we don’t say it out loud.

This week, Cambridge University’s student union issued a guide – written by its new women’s officer, who goes by the pronouns he/him and they/them – entitled How to Spot Terf Ideology. It suggests that being a woman is not just down to biological sex, and says those who question this idea could be “transphobic”, or even linked to the “far Right”. Are students now not able to think for themselves on this subject? This is insanity.

A friend who happens to be trans once said to me: “Book-burning starts one word at a time”. How true; the word we are no longer allowed to use is “women”. The Scottish Government was criticised this week after its new cancer screening campaign urged “anyone with a cervix” to come forward for a smear test, rather than women. Instead, women are now a collection of body parts: cervix-havers, menstruaters, gestaters. Men, I note, are still men.

This is the moment at which you have to choose a side – just as we did over The Satanic Verses. The fuss made because I argued for the right for women to have single-sex spaces was ridiculous, but fundamentalists who had not read Rushdie’s book burnt it and murdered its publishers.

Now women are being threatened. They are losing jobs, being made pariahs because they do not adhere to the fundamentalist tenants of extreme gender ideology. So it’s time to understand exactly what is being threatened here: it is freedom of thought, freedom of speech. It has very little to do with the one per cent of the population who may be trans.

It is everything to do with the closing down of questioning, inquiry, philosophy within many of our institutions. You are free to disagree with me, but you should not be free to hound me out of employment because of it. If you did that on the basis of race or religion, there would be no question that this was wrong.

Somehow, though, this progressive misogyny is everywhere. It’s time for everyone to stand up to it, to stand up for freedom of speech. We use it or lose it.

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11 hours ago, CF11JamTart said:

Only just seen this. Thanks for sharing. 

 

It's mind-boggling. 

 

I heard Stock on Five Live a number of months ago. She was excellent: intelligent,balanced and quite humorous. 

 

I've got her book on order from local library. 

 

Probably makes me a TERF. 

 

But WTAF is going on? Lobby group got a death-like grip on a particular issue... Bulldozing any debate... And intimidating anyone in to silence. 

 

Does anyone ACTUALLY believe that sex isn't immutable? (very rare cases of intersex like Caster Semenya aside).

 

Sex... It's that thing based on your DNA.

 

 

Anyway... This is what cancel culture and totalitarianism looks like. 

 

You speak against "the party line" (or even suggest stopping to have a wee think), you get hounded out your job. 

I’ve posted a terrific piece from Suzanne Moore 

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22 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

I've believed Gender to be a sham for a long time. People should be themselves, whoever that is and like whatever they want, dress however they want etc

 

Sex though, is just your sex. It's no different to whether you've got brown eyes or blue eyes and it shouldn't shape who you are in any way. (I appreciate people dye their hair and wear coloured contacts etc)

 

I think the lobbying is so aggressive is because, whilst they can silence people, they know deep down cannot make them change their views.

 

For me, a male is a male, and a female is a female, and I'll never be believe otherwise. What a male or a female looks like, sounds like, acts like, what interests they have, job they have, partner they have, hopes and dreams they have...well there's endless possibilities and their all open to both sexes.

Completely agree, Taffin. This nonsense about gender being " assigned" at birth couldn't be further from the truth.

There is a spectrum but, you're right, biological males are males and females are females. 

People can identify as whatever they wish and be free from persecution but we shouldn't be denying biological facts and changing our language and discourse to accomodate this small minority. 

Last night on QT, biologist and Labour peer, Robert Winston, told a few home truths while the Labour minister completely fudged the issue. Winston said " you cannot just change your sex, it runs right through your body, DNA, chromosomes etc". 

We need more people to stand up to a suffocating liberal movement that obsesses about gender to the point of mania.

It's ironic that those who demand to be "kept safe" i.e not exposed to views they disagree with, think nothing of issuing death threats to those who disagree with them.

If you don't want to hear alternative views and critical thought then, quite simply, you shouldn't be at University. 

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46 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

I've believed Gender to be a sham for a long time. People should be themselves, whoever that is and like whatever they want, dress however they want etc

 

Sex though, is just your sex. It's no different to whether you've got brown eyes or blue eyes and it shouldn't shape who you are in any way. (I appreciate people dye their hair and wear coloured contacts etc)

 

I think the lobbying is so aggressive is because, whilst they can silence people, they know deep down cannot make them change their views.

 

For me, a male is a male, and a female is a female, and I'll never be believe otherwise. What a male or a female looks like, sounds like, acts like, what interests they have, job they have, partner they have, hopes and dreams they have...well there's endless possibilities and their all open to both sexes.

Agreed ! The problem is the trans mob ( sorry the more Miltant aspect of trans ) are adamant that you can change sex . So it’s a complete waste of time actually trying to reason with them. They also seem to promote gender stereotypes too which is infuriating as well As homophobic . 

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1 minute ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Completely agree, Taffin. This nonsense about gender being " assigned" at birth couldn't be further from the truth.

There is a spectrum but, you're right, biological males are males and females are females. 

People can identify as whatever they wish and be free from persecution but we shouldn't be denying biological facts and changing our language and discourse to accomodate this small minority. 

Last night on QT, biologist and Labour peer, Robert Winston, told a few home truths while the Labour minister completely fudged the issue. Winston said " you cannot just change your sex, it runs right through your body, DNA, chromosomes etc". 

We need more people to stand up to a suffocating liberal movement that obsesses about gender to the point of mania.

It's ironic that those who demand to be "kept safe" i.e not exposed to views they disagree with, think nothing of issuing death threats to those who disagree with them.

If you don't want to hear alternative views and critical thought then, quite simply, you shouldn't be at University. 

Good posting 👍 I must watch that question time episode . About time public figures were debunking most of the trans ideology nonsense . 

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There was a great debate on talk radio yesterday regarding this issue . The guy got torn apart from a woman who was fighting her corner about sex based rights .  What annoys me is he is apparently  “ representing “ gay people’s views about it ! Well that’s not my view and it’s not most of my gay friend views either .

 

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1 minute ago, Des Lynam said:

The pronoun nonsense needs to be called out as such. 

I know it’s pile of poo 💩 👍

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20 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

I’ve posted a terrific piece from Suzanne Moore 

That's for that. 

 

I remember when she got ditched by the Guardian. That seemed weird at the time.

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5 minutes ago, CF11JamTart said:

That's for that. 

 

I remember when she got ditched by the Guardian. That seemed weird at the time.

Yes she got cancelled ! Disgraceful 

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28 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Completely agree, Taffin. This nonsense about gender being " assigned" at birth couldn't be further from the truth.

There is a spectrum but, you're right, biological males are males and females are females. 

People can identify as whatever they wish and be free from persecution but we shouldn't be denying biological facts and changing our language and discourse to accomodate this small minority. 

Last night on QT, biologist and Labour peer, Robert Winston, told a few home truths while the Labour minister completely fudged the issue. Winston said " you cannot just change your sex, it runs right through your body, DNA, chromosomes etc". 

We need more people to stand up to a suffocating liberal movement that obsesses about gender to the point of mania.

It's ironic that those who demand to be "kept safe" i.e not exposed to views they disagree with, think nothing of issuing death threats to those who disagree with them.

If you don't want to hear alternative views and critical thought then, quite simply, you shouldn't be at University. 

Robert W is good value. I might give that a whirl.

 

 

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1 minute ago, CF11JamTart said:

Robert W is good value. I might give that a whirl.

 

 

Yes, it was refreshing to hear someone stand up to this nonsense. He actually suggested to Fiona Bruce that "you might have to edit the programme" before he voiced his views.

In a chilling nod to the type of society we have nowadays,  he also said he expected to be bombarded with hate mail.."it always happens".

The paradox of self-proclaimed "tolerant" obsessives sending hate mail!

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The first time I heard about all this was a few years ago when Labour were tying themselves in a knot about who could be on a Women-Only shortlist. 

 

I was a bit bemused then. Hadn't realised how pervasive it would become. 

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53 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Yes, it was refreshing to hear someone stand up to this nonsense. He actually suggested to Fiona Bruce that "you might have to edit the programme" before he voiced his views.

In a chilling nod to the type of society we have nowadays,  he also said he expected to be bombarded with hate mail.."it always happens".

The paradox of self-proclaimed "tolerant" obsessives sending hate mail!

Thanks for highlighting “ Question time “ 

 

I just watched it . ! Where do I start ! Robert winston was terrific and factually correct with What he said . If anyone wants to know why Labour are completely and utterly f***** please watch their MP who took part in this debate ! My god she awful . Spoke absolute meandering shite for nearly 5 minutes . She couldn’t / didn’t wAnt to answer the question . Shame on her . The Tory MP was probably the best orator about this issue and spoke most sense . The hopelessly naive student who wants to “ feel safe “ at university was put well in her place by that woman from the Economist , who basically was saying stop being a snow flake ! ( arguments and debate are part and parcel of Uni life ) however those on the trans will no have a “ debate “ so that’s the massive issue 

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1 hour ago, CF11JamTart said:

Robert W is good value. I might give that a whirl.

 

 

 

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38 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Thanks for highlighting “ Question time “ 

 

I just watched it . ! Where do I start ! Robert winston was terrific and factually correct with What he said . If anyone wants to know why Labour are completely and utterly f***** please watch their MP who took part in this debate ! My god she awful . Spoke absolute meandering shite for nearly 5 minutes . She couldn’t / didn’t wAnt to answer the question . Shame on her . The Tory MP was probably the best orator about this issue and spoke most sense . The hopelessly naive student who wants to “ feel safe “ at university was put well in her place by that woman from the Economist , who basically was saying stop being a snow flake ! ( arguments and debate are part and parcel of Uni life ) however those on the trans will no have a “ debate “ so that’s the massive issue 

Yes, it was a good watch and we need more people like Winston and the journo from the Economist reinforcing some home truths.

If "feeling safe" means not being exposed to others' views then NO, you don't have that right and, more to the point wtf are you doing at University!

The participatory web, social media etc has resulted in this modern ,mealy mouthed , snow flake society where "being kept safe" and "feeling safe" are the sole purpose in life, for some.

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Just now, Enzo Chiefo said:

Yes, it was a good watch and we need more people like Winston and the journo from the Economist reinforcing some home truths.

If "feeling safe" means not being exposed to others' views then NO, you don't have that right and, more to the point wtf are you doing at University!

The participatory web, social media etc has resulted in this modern ,mealy mouthed , snow flake society where "being kept safe" and "feeling safe" are the sole purpose in life, for some.

... And Echo chamber living. 

 

 

Apparently if we hear something that goes against our feelings, we are entitled to go in to a flat-spin about it. 

 

Life... It's fully of tricky stuff and people who you might not to agree with. 

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2 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Yes, it was a good watch and we need more people like Winston and the journo from the Economist reinforcing some home truths.

If "feeling safe" means not being exposed to others' views then NO, you don't have that right and, more to the point wtf are you doing at University!

The participatory web, social media etc has resulted in this modern ,mealy mouthed , snow flake society where "being kept safe" and "feeling safe" are the sole purpose in life, for some.

Yes I found that students views very Alarming actually . She is advocating censoring / cancelling others views on the pretext it makes her feel “ Unsafe” she needs to grow up ! Unfortunately she is not unique . 

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16 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yes I found that students views very Alarming actually . She is advocating censoring / cancelling others views on the pretext it makes her feel “ Unsafe” she needs to grow up ! Unfortunately she is not unique . 

Feelings not facts. 

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2 minutes ago, CF11JamTart said:

Feelings not facts. 

Yes feelings are subjective . That’s the problem . Just because I feel “ offended “ by something or someone it doesn’t mean they are being offensive as it’s based on my own perception 

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Just watched that section of QT. Jeezo. 

 

All very predictable. 

 

I like the bloke from the audience who asked for clarification on what Kathleen Stock actually said. 

 

Labour clearly don't know which h way is up with this. Or are scared to day it. Equally... No Political party is putting their head over the parapet.

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6 hours ago, CF11JamTart said:

Just watched that section of QT. Jeezo. 

 

All very predictable. 

 

I like the bloke from the audience who asked for clarification on what Kathleen Stock actually said. 

 

Labour clearly don't know which h way is up with this. Or are scared to day it. Equally... No Political party is putting their head over the parapet.

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18 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

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BBC's place on the Stonewall league table will not be improved by this kinda shit

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6 minutes ago, CF11JamTart said:

 

 

BBC's place on the Stonewall league table will not be improved by this kinda shit

Lol 

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