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JamesM48
1 hour ago, jonesy said:

Indeed. And that's the rub. All these 'statements' on social media are just opinions. In fact, quite a lot of what makes up our identity is about opinion. But if we accept that opinion shapes reality, then one person's opinion about identity is no more valid than another's, meaning, ultimately, that if a person wishes to identify as A, then my identification of them as B is equally as valid.

But the argument is about self identifying therefore others view if their trans identify means nothing to them . It’s invalid 

1 hour ago, John Findlay said:

Condemned by their own words.

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Happy to report that this cretin was roundly condemned by most , nearly all gay. / lesbians in a face book group I am a member of . Their attitude to straight people was \ is appalling . 

43 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

Stop trying to deflect. You asked for proof. Proof was provided as asked.

Live with it.

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22 hours ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

LGBTI+ gangs having a terf war... 😬👀

Back of the net! 👏👏

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JamesM48
4 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

See previous post about anecdotal evidence. 

The reality of some trans ideology as opposed to the fantasy . 

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1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

The reality of some trans ideology as opposed to the fantasy . 

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You don't believe in the notion of anyone being Trans so debating is pointless if we can't find a middle ground. 

Final point on this.

Being trans may well be a mental health condition but if the cure is to let people be and act as they like, providing they don't harm anyone else, then what's the issue? 

You are using examples of people who are likely exploiting the system to argue against all Trans people. Like shunning Didability benefits because dodgy dave down the street pits on a limp.

 

An important point is that it's not exactly easy (though better than previous decades) to live as  a Trams person and expose yourself to abuse on a regular basis. 

Shunning the right of trans people to be ae to use bathrooms that they want to because straight woman a users might take advantage of it is a flawed argument. Punishing the trans person who just wants to go for a piss. 

 

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3 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

You don't believe in the notion of anyone being Trans so debating is pointless if we can't find a middle ground. 

Final point on this.

Being trans may well be a mental health condition but if the cure is to let people be and act as they like, providing they don't harm anyone else, then what's the issue? 

You are using examples of people who are likely exploiting the system to argue against all Trans people. Like shunning Didability benefits because dodgy dave down the street pits on a limp.

 

An important point is that it's not exactly easy (though better than previous decades) to live as  a Trams person and expose yourself to abuse on a regular basis. 

Shunning the right of trans people to be ae to use bathrooms that they want to because straight woman a users might take advantage of it is a flawed argument. Punishing the trans person who just wants to go for a piss. 

 

Balls 🏀 not as issue with people who identify as trans and are willing to explore this further with medical professionals then decide Whether they want transition surgery . They may not be trans but just have other issues . I do have issues with people like that block in the meme stating he is a “ girl “ . There has been some examples of girls / women being assaulted abused by some trans who have infiltrated women’s own spaces . However I have never said all trans people are like that . Your surmising that . Sexual abuse lives with a person their whole life . Is it really worth having that as collateral Damage do Danny can be Annie and access biological women’s / girls only spaces ? This discussion basically is for women and not men to decide what is right . 

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I would remind you that Trans people fall into a protected group under the 2010 Equality Act.

 

I'd remind the mods of that too.

 

 

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ri Alban
4 minutes ago, Cade said:

I would remind you that Trans people fall into a protected group under the 2010 Equality Act.

 

I'd remind the mods of that too.

 

 

So do every ***** else . Who's next on this fecking yellow brick road of human enlightenment. Don't tell me, I'll guess. Starts with a P. Just need the libdems to join the coalition.

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7 minutes ago, Cade said:

I would remind you that Trans people fall into a protected group under the 2010 Equality Act.

 

I'd remind the mods of that too.

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Balls 🏀 not as issue with people who identify as trans and are willing to explore this further with medical professionals then decide Whether they want transition surgery . They may not be trans but just have other issues . I do have issues with people like that block in the meme stating he is a “ girl “ . There has been some examples of girls / women being assaulted abused by some trans who have infiltrated women’s own spaces . However I have never said all trans people are like that . Your surmising that . Sexual abuse lives with a person their whole life . Is it really worth having that as collateral Damage do Danny can be Annie and access biological women’s / girls only spaces ? This discussion basically is for women and not men to decide what is right . 

Some people need to simply be told "NO, you can't".

Identify away all you want but biological females have rights too, hard fought rights at that too, and are entitled to biological women only areas, such as toilets.

 

The world truly has gone absolutely stark raving bonkers when we talk about "pregnant people" and allow biological males,  regardless of how they "identify", to use women's toilets or be transferred to women's prisons.

 

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3 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

 

Some people need to simply be told "NO, you can't".

Identify away all you want but biological females have rights too, hard fought rights at that too, and are entitled to biological women only areas, such as toilets.

 

The world truly has gone absolutely stark raving bonkers when we talk about "pregnant people" and allow biological males,  regardless of how they "identify", to use women's toilets or be transferred to women's prisons.

 

Give these men periods, then let's see how much they want to be a lady or a laddie.

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ri Alban
16 minutes ago, Cade said:

I would remind you that Trans people fall into a protected group under the 2010 Equality Act.

 

I'd remind the mods of that too.

 

 

A let's shut this conversation down post, if ever there was one. All the same.

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JamesM48
3 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

 

Some people need to simply be told "NO, you can't".

Identify away all you want but biological females have rights too, hard fought rights at that too, and are entitled to biological women only areas, such as toilets.

 

The world truly has gone absolutely stark raving bonkers when we talk about "pregnant people" and allow biological males,  regardless of how they "identify", to use women's toilets or be transferred to women's prisons.

 

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1 minute ago, ri Alban said:

Give these men periods, then let's see how much they want to be a lady or a laddie.

Yes, exactly rA.👍

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Just now, ri Alban said:

A let's shut this conversation down post, if ever there was one. All the same.

Yes just because some don’t agree with him , he’s going down the speaking to the bouncers route 

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ri Alban

Cis women is more offensive than shortening the word for Transpeople.

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Just now, JamesM48 said:

Yes just because some don’t agree with him , he’s going down the speaking to the bouncers route 

Horrendous. And that's all you get when you question anyone these days. 

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4 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

I don’t believe a guy wearing a dress and lipstick and has made no effort to seek therapy to discuss this issue and  then surgery is by any stretch of the imagination a female adult woman . A biological woman . 


That is not what you say below though 

 

4 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

A   Female / woman is an adult female born as a biological woman . 

 

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4 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

A let's shut this conversation down post, if ever there was one. All the same.

Correct as they don't like the way the conversation has gone. Not in their favour.

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JamesM48
5 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

Correct as they don't like the way the conversation has gone. Not in their favour.

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JamesM48
7 minutes ago, sadj said:


That is not what you say below though 

 

 

At a stretch I would consider a transistioned male to female being a female if I really had to . However again it’s not my opinion about that what matters it’s biological females opinion that matters . They are the ones who may be affected . I am

not in the slightest affected by a trans person . ( spoiler alert * I’m a biological man ) 

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13 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Cis women is more offensive than shortening the word for Transpeople.

That term drives me up the wall ( cis ) wtf 

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6 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

At a stretch I would consider a transistioned male to female being a female if I really had to . However again it’s not my opinion about that what matters it’s biological females opinion that matters . They are the ones who may be affected . I am

not in the slightest affected by a trans person . ( spoiler alert * I’m a biological man


naaaaa 😮 really!!!🤣

 

I think its a debate that needs objectivity not Terf views pushed through. For instance saying a trans victim of domestic violence should be put with men not women in a safe house is not necessarily correct. Iv seen trans people who are violent and iv seen ones who are the victim of violence both mtf to ftm and all these aspects need looked at properly not just lumped together.  
 

Anyhoo ill bow out as this threads gone a bit mad 

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43 minutes ago, Cade said:

I would remind you that Trans people fall into a protected group under the 2010 Equality Act.

 

I'd remind the mods of that too.

 

 

Ffs get a grip !! 

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6 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

That’s the issue I have as some women have had personal trauma in their lives , mainly related to either sexual abuse , rape or domestic violence from men Would feel safer in a protected environment . I think the issue is for women to make decisions on and not men though as just emphasis the whole men led domination of this issue ( patriarchal ). 

 

There's a bit of irony in that last part with your strong views all over this thread, James.

 

It's mad how many folk still don't know the difference between sex and gender. 

 

As for the actual incident, sounds like folk on both sides of this debate are too keen to turn it into a something it wasn't so it can be portrayed as us versus them, which seems to be the way now. 

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22 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

That term drives me up the wall ( cis ) wtf 

 

Yep - would folk (of any gender, sexual identity, or self-identification! :wink: ) please use actual English when posting rather than obscure terms, acronyms, or whatever-the-feck-they-may-bes, such as "cis*" and "terf". Thanks, much appreciated. :icon14:

 

(*cock in situ?  :ermm: :huh2: )

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18 minutes ago, sadj said:


naaaaa 😮 really!!!🤣

 

I think its a debate that needs objectivity not Terf views pushed through. For instance saying a trans victim of domestic violence should be put with men not women in a safe house is not necessarily correct. Iv seen trans people who are violent and iv seen ones who are the victim of violence both mtf to ftm and all these aspects need looked at properly not just lumped together.  
 

Anyhoo ill bow out as this threads gone a bit mad 

So what about the biological women’s rights to feel protected if a trans women is placed in a refuge ? Or indeed a prison ? I recall the days as a worker for some women victims of domestic violence we couldn’t even speak to their DV workers at all . 

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3 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

There's a bit of irony in that last part with your strong views all over this thread, James.

 

It's mad how many folk still don't know the difference between sex and gender. 

 

As for the actual incident, sounds like folk on both sides of this debate are too keen to turn it into a something it wasn't so it can be portrayed as us versus them, which seems to be the way now. 

I think I have pointed out the difference between sex and  gender . I know the difference some on this clearly do not . 

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1 hour ago, Cade said:

I would remind you that Trans people fall into a protected group under the 2010 Equality Act.

 

I'd remind the mods of that too.

 

 

I should be surprised at some of these posts not being removed. 

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6 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

I think I have pointed out the difference between sex and  gender . I know the difference some on this clearly do not . 

 

That part of my post wasn't specifically aimed at you. 

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3 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

There's a bit of irony in that last part with your strong views all over this thread, James.

 

It's mad how many folk still don't know the difference between sex and gender. 

 

As for the actual incident, sounds like folk on both sides of this debate are too keen to turn it into a something it wasn't so it can be portrayed as us versus them, which seems to be the way now. 

 

10 minutes ago, Auld Reekin' said:

 

Yep - would folk (of any gender, sexual identity, or self-identification! :wink: ) please use actual English when posting rather than obscure terms, acronyms, or whatever-the-feck-they-may-bes, such as "cis*" and "terf". Thanks, much appreciated. :icon14:

 

(*cock in situ?  :ermm: :huh2: )

It’s a deliberate ploy to appear superior to One being referred to

as “ cis “ 

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3 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

I should be surprised at some of these posts not being removed. 

Why ? 

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JamesM48
3 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

That part of my post wasn't specifically aimed at you. 

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Jeffros Furios
6 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

I should be surprised at some of these posts not being removed. 

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Drag queen story time. Stories off inclusion for your three year old. 

 

Love the rainbow. Be the rainbow.

 

Please don't tell the mods on me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Cade said:

I would remind you that Trans people fall into a protected group under the 2010 Equality Act.

 

I'd remind the mods of that too.

 

 

 

The great snake oil salesman from below will be oh so pleased with you. You got them telt. You are not a bully, or a coward.

 

Oh wait. No he isn't, no you didn't, and yes, you are.  

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2 hours ago, niblick1874 said:

Drag queen story time. Stories off inclusion for your three year old. 

 

Love the rainbow. Be the rainbow.

 

Please don't tell the mods on me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That’s has to be a parody, yeah?

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4 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

But the argument is about self identifying therefore others view if their trans identify means nothing to them . It’s invalid.


Sounds like a postmodern hellscape we’re painting for ourselves.

 

There’s either objective reality or there’s anything goes.
 

And, of course, there’s the absurdity of people self-identifying as a different gender meaning that the definition of that gender itself becomes invalid. If I identify as, say, black, despite being not black, and folk have to accept that I’m black, what does that do to the definition of blackness? It certainly, at the very least, modifies it into something that exists in the mind as much as the body. If we are scampering down that particular rabbit hole, then nothing should be off limits: age, nationality, titles, species, etc.
 

Of course, there’s also something vaguely, darkly humorous about folk who are not something wanting to be recognised as something resulting in the something they want to be identified as is no longer the actual thing they wanted to be seen as.

 

And if that’s not ok (ie I’m not allowed to self identify as black - despite race being a social construct according to the latest edition of national geographic magazine - because that offends genuinely black people), then as a man, I am offended by women self identifying as men.
 

The whole thing is a steaming pile of attention-seeking shite by folk who need support and help, not being told that they’re ’protected’.

 

And that’s not transphobia, as I neither fear nor hate transgender people. I simply cannot understand how we’ve arrived at subjective identification of hitherto simple, objective features of biology.

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niblick1874
5 minutes ago, jonesy said:

That’s has to be a parody, yeah?

 

 

If I put it the way I would like to, I would not be allowed on here to post this.

 

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JamesM48
1 hour ago, jonesy said:

That’s has to be a parody, yeah?

Nope 

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This thread is bat shit mental. A bunch of radical feminists decide to harass a trans friendly bar leading to police being called but somehow its all the fault of a trans bar person. Of course it is all one person leading this thread, the most bigoted anti-trans poster on this board. I wonder how he would have reacted years ago if a bunch of 'straight' guys had decided to harass a gay bar?? I just can't get my head round how the worm has turned 

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42 minutes ago, jonesy said:


Sounds like a postmodern hellscape we’re painting for ourselves.

 

There’s either objective reality or there’s anything goes.
 

And, of course, there’s the absurdity of people self-identifying as a different gender meaning that the definition of that gender itself becomes invalid. If I identify as, say, black, despite being not black, and folk have to accept that I’m black, what does that do to the definition of blackness? It certainly, at the very least, modifies it into something that exists in the mind as much as the body. If we are scampering down that particular rabbit hole, then nothing should be off limits: age, nationality, titles, species, etc.
 

Of course, there’s also something vaguely, darkly humorous about folk who are not something wanting to be recognised as something resulting in the something they want to be identified as is no longer the actual thing they wanted to be seen as.

 

And if that’s not ok (ie I’m not allowed to self identify as black - despite race being a social construct according to the latest edition of national geographic magazine - because that offends genuinely black people), then as a man, I am offended by women self identifying as men.
 

The whole thing is a steaming pile of attention-seeking shite by folk who need support and help, not being told that they’re ’protected’.

 

And that’s not transphobia, as I neither fear nor hate transgender people. I simply cannot understand how we’ve arrived at subjective identification of hitherto simple, objective features of biology.

Great summary 👍 you have perfectly summarised the main issues of “ identity “ . It’s basically delusion

Versus reality ( scientific ) . How can a person identify as a female if they are male ? What do they believe encompasses “ being “ female ? Sadly it mainly projects itself as stereotypical views of what a female is meant to be ( feminine , over emotional , liking “ feminine “  things “ therefore that means I must be female. It’s this type of thinking which is erasing gay people who are maybe “ camp “ ( can’t be like that anymore you are maybe really “ female “ and also the other way by erasing lesbian identity too ( butch lesbians , well that’s a no no now it seems ) . These delusional thoughts are backed up by many psychologists who are frightened to veer from this dogma now and just agree to with it to placate this new ideology . All IMO ofcourse and many others who are critical of “ queer gender “ theory . Yet worrying aspect of it all is that it is doing untold harm to LGB causes . Only today Simon Callow has been roundly vilified and condemned fir similar views to mine and many others . A gay older man who has fought the good fight for LGB rights and equality 

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2 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Great summary 👍 you have perfectly summarised the main issues of “ identity “ . It’s basically delusion

Versus reality ( scientific ) . How can a person identify as a female if they are male ? What do they believe encompasses “ being “ female ? Sadly it mainly projects itself as stereotypical views of what a female is meant to be ( feminine , over emotional , liking “ feminine “  things “ therefore that means I must be female. It’s this type of thinking which is erasing gay people who are maybe “ camp “ ( can’t be like that anymore you are maybe really “ female “ and also the other way by erasing lesbian identity too ( butch lesbians , well that’s a no no now it seems ) . These delusional thoughts are backed up by many psychologists who are frightened to veer from this dogma now and just agree to with it to placate this new ideology . All IMO ofcourse and many others who are critical of “ queer gender “ theory . Yet worrying aspect of it all is that it is doing untold harm to LGB causes . Only today Simon Callow has been roundly vilified and condemned fir similar views to mine and many others . A gay older man who has fought the good fight for LGB rights and equality 

 

What do you have to say about Drag queen story time. 

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5 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Great summary 👍 you have perfectly summarised the main issues of “ identity “ . It’s basically delusion

Versus reality ( scientific ) . How can a person identify as a female if they are male ? What do they believe encompasses “ being “ female ? Sadly it mainly projects itself as stereotypical views of what a female is meant to be ( feminine , over emotional , liking “ feminine “  things “ therefore that means I must be female. It’s this type of thinking which is erasing gay people who are maybe “ camp “ ( can’t be like that anymore you are maybe really “ female “ and also the other way by erasing lesbian identity too ( butch lesbians , well that’s a no no now it seems ) . These delusional thoughts are backed up by many psychologists who are frightened to veer from this dogma now and just agree to with it to placate this new ideology . All IMO ofcourse and many others who are critical of “ queer gender “ theory . Yet worrying aspect of it all is that it is doing untold harm to LGB causes . Only today Simon Callow has been roundly vilified and condemned fir similar views to mine and many others . A gay older man who has fought the good fight for LGB rights and equality 

:indeed:

 

I’d suggest that one of the worst things to happen to the gay community in the last decade was the adoption of the last letter in the LGBT slogan. 

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2 minutes ago, XB52 said:

This thread is bat shit mental. A bunch of radical feminists decide to harass a trans friendly bar leading to police being called but somehow its all the fault of a trans bar person. Of course it is all one person leading this thread, the most bigoted anti-trans poster on this board. I wonder how he would have reacted years ago if a bunch of 'straight' guys had decided to harass a gay bar?? I just can't get my head round how the worm has turned 

You really haven’t a clue . Stick to your inane comments on the CV thread . In fact straights we’re very welcome and still are welcome in gay bars so your pathetic kickback about it holds no water . Your not gay , well at least I assume you aren’t so really don’t understand the issues relevant to it all

 

. Just trying to score a point probably due to my ramblings on the CV thread. It’s fallen flat on its face . The group of women are middle aged women who quite rightly are questioning what is happening to their well earned equal rights and safety . If your straight and male you wouldn’t have had these issues at all . “ Bigoted “ ? That’s a complete and utter joke . 
 

Even if a gang of “ straights “ had cans into a straight bar back in the day they would have been welcome as long as they knew “ the score “ and behaved . There is a lot of dubiety about that happened that night but what I’m resting from it is that the bar worker clocked a well known “ terf “ and created the situation which including calling the police without any discussion with the women at all . He had it in for them . It was a scalp for him . He had boasted about it on Twitter too . 

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4 minutes ago, niblick1874 said:

 

What do you have to say about Drag queen story time. 

I don’t really understand it to be honest . What is the point of it ? 

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3 minutes ago, jonesy said:

:indeed:

 

I’d suggest that one of the worst things to happen to the gay community in the last decade was the adoption of the last letter in the LGBT slogan. 

Exactly 👍

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1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

I don’t really understand it to be honest . What is the point of it ? 

 

 Three year olds. It's world wide. It is what it looks like.  

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