JudyJudyJudy Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 There was a great debate on talk radio yesterday regarding this issue . The guy got torn apart from a woman who was fighting her corner about sex based rights . What annoys me is he is apparently “ representing “ gay people’s views about it ! Well that’s not my view and it’s not most of my gay friend views either . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Des Lynam said: The pronoun nonsense needs to be called out as such. I know it’s pile of poo 💩 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CF11JamTart Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 20 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: I’ve posted a terrific piece from Suzanne Moore That's for that. I remember when she got ditched by the Guardian. That seemed weird at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, CF11JamTart said: That's for that. I remember when she got ditched by the Guardian. That seemed weird at the time. Yes she got cancelled ! Disgraceful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CF11JamTart Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 28 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Completely agree, Taffin. This nonsense about gender being " assigned" at birth couldn't be further from the truth. There is a spectrum but, you're right, biological males are males and females are females. People can identify as whatever they wish and be free from persecution but we shouldn't be denying biological facts and changing our language and discourse to accomodate this small minority. Last night on QT, biologist and Labour peer, Robert Winston, told a few home truths while the Labour minister completely fudged the issue. Winston said " you cannot just change your sex, it runs right through your body, DNA, chromosomes etc". We need more people to stand up to a suffocating liberal movement that obsesses about gender to the point of mania. It's ironic that those who demand to be "kept safe" i.e not exposed to views they disagree with, think nothing of issuing death threats to those who disagree with them. If you don't want to hear alternative views and critical thought then, quite simply, you shouldn't be at University. Robert W is good value. I might give that a whirl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 minute ago, CF11JamTart said: Robert W is good value. I might give that a whirl. Yes, it was refreshing to hear someone stand up to this nonsense. He actually suggested to Fiona Bruce that "you might have to edit the programme" before he voiced his views. In a chilling nod to the type of society we have nowadays, he also said he expected to be bombarded with hate mail.."it always happens". The paradox of self-proclaimed "tolerant" obsessives sending hate mail! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CF11JamTart Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 The first time I heard about all this was a few years ago when Labour were tying themselves in a knot about who could be on a Women-Only shortlist. I was a bit bemused then. Hadn't realised how pervasive it would become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 53 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Yes, it was refreshing to hear someone stand up to this nonsense. He actually suggested to Fiona Bruce that "you might have to edit the programme" before he voiced his views. In a chilling nod to the type of society we have nowadays, he also said he expected to be bombarded with hate mail.."it always happens". The paradox of self-proclaimed "tolerant" obsessives sending hate mail! Thanks for highlighting “ Question time “ I just watched it . ! Where do I start ! Robert winston was terrific and factually correct with What he said . If anyone wants to know why Labour are completely and utterly f***** please watch their MP who took part in this debate ! My god she awful . Spoke absolute meandering shite for nearly 5 minutes . She couldn’t / didn’t wAnt to answer the question . Shame on her . The Tory MP was probably the best orator about this issue and spoke most sense . The hopelessly naive student who wants to “ feel safe “ at university was put well in her place by that woman from the Economist , who basically was saying stop being a snow flake ! ( arguments and debate are part and parcel of Uni life ) however those on the trans will no have a “ debate “ so that’s the massive issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, CF11JamTart said: Robert W is good value. I might give that a whirl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 38 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Thanks for highlighting “ Question time “ I just watched it . ! Where do I start ! Robert winston was terrific and factually correct with What he said . If anyone wants to know why Labour are completely and utterly f***** please watch their MP who took part in this debate ! My god she awful . Spoke absolute meandering shite for nearly 5 minutes . She couldn’t / didn’t wAnt to answer the question . Shame on her . The Tory MP was probably the best orator about this issue and spoke most sense . The hopelessly naive student who wants to “ feel safe “ at university was put well in her place by that woman from the Economist , who basically was saying stop being a snow flake ! ( arguments and debate are part and parcel of Uni life ) however those on the trans will no have a “ debate “ so that’s the massive issue Yes, it was a good watch and we need more people like Winston and the journo from the Economist reinforcing some home truths. If "feeling safe" means not being exposed to others' views then NO, you don't have that right and, more to the point wtf are you doing at University! The participatory web, social media etc has resulted in this modern ,mealy mouthed , snow flake society where "being kept safe" and "feeling safe" are the sole purpose in life, for some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CF11JamTart Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Just now, Enzo Chiefo said: Yes, it was a good watch and we need more people like Winston and the journo from the Economist reinforcing some home truths. If "feeling safe" means not being exposed to others' views then NO, you don't have that right and, more to the point wtf are you doing at University! The participatory web, social media etc has resulted in this modern ,mealy mouthed , snow flake society where "being kept safe" and "feeling safe" are the sole purpose in life, for some. ... And Echo chamber living. Apparently if we hear something that goes against our feelings, we are entitled to go in to a flat-spin about it. Life... It's fully of tricky stuff and people who you might not to agree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Yes, it was a good watch and we need more people like Winston and the journo from the Economist reinforcing some home truths. If "feeling safe" means not being exposed to others' views then NO, you don't have that right and, more to the point wtf are you doing at University! The participatory web, social media etc has resulted in this modern ,mealy mouthed , snow flake society where "being kept safe" and "feeling safe" are the sole purpose in life, for some. Yes I found that students views very Alarming actually . She is advocating censoring / cancelling others views on the pretext it makes her feel “ Unsafe” she needs to grow up ! Unfortunately she is not unique . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CF11JamTart Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 16 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Yes I found that students views very Alarming actually . She is advocating censoring / cancelling others views on the pretext it makes her feel “ Unsafe” she needs to grow up ! Unfortunately she is not unique . Feelings not facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, CF11JamTart said: Feelings not facts. Yes feelings are subjective . That’s the problem . Just because I feel “ offended “ by something or someone it doesn’t mean they are being offensive as it’s based on my own perception Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CF11JamTart Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Just watched that section of QT. Jeezo. All very predictable. I like the bloke from the audience who asked for clarification on what Kathleen Stock actually said. Labour clearly don't know which h way is up with this. Or are scared to day it. Equally... No Political party is putting their head over the parapet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 6 hours ago, CF11JamTart said: Just watched that section of QT. Jeezo. All very predictable. I like the bloke from the audience who asked for clarification on what Kathleen Stock actually said. Labour clearly don't know which h way is up with this. Or are scared to day it. Equally... No Political party is putting their head over the parapet. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CF11JamTart Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) I listened to a bit of this earlier. Very very good. Esp. Episodes 3 and 5. (5 focuses on Tavistock clinic). Nolan Investigates https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p09yjmph Jeezo. It's mind blowing. Genderbread? FFS.... Edited October 15, 2021 by CF11JamTart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CF11JamTart Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: 😂 BBC's place on the Stonewall league table will not be improved by this kinda shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, CF11JamTart said: BBC's place on the Stonewall league table will not be improved by this kinda shit Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 On 15/10/2021 at 09:06, JamesM48 said: Wake up, folks! 👇 "Suzanne Moore - brilliant, furious, scorching and eloquent as ever - in today's Telegraph: I cannot stand the platitudinous Thought for the Day that features on Radio 4’s Today programme. Wednesday’s was even more condescending than usual. We had Rabbi Laura Janner-Klausner explaining the whole gender/trans debate to us as though we were five. Her eldest child is trans, and very good luck to them. Honestly, I mean that. But Janner-Klauser went on to say that sometimes, she and others get pronouns wrong because we all make “mistakes”, that we are fearful of asking questions about this contentious issue, so we stay silent and fearful. We should forgive each other our mistakes as hatred comes from a lack of knowledge. All this was sparked by what is currently happening to Professor Kathleen Stock, a professor of philosophy at the University of Sussex, whose employment was “effectively ended” this week after her teaching union called on university management to “take a clear and strong stance against transphobia at Sussex”, to undertake an investigation into “institutional transphobia” and offer “unequivocal support” to trans students. Stock’s crime? She recently published a book questioning the idea that gender identity is more “socially significant” than biological sex. After the inevitable outcry – during which she received death threats from pro-transgender activists, and posters were put up around campus saying: ‘We’re not paying £9,250 a year for transphobia – fire Kathleen Stock’, she was advised by the police to install CCTV on her front door, to not attend public meetings, and that she might need security guards to accompany her around the university. Someone talking about harmless “mistakes” is missing the point, to put it mildly. If anyone has thought about the differences between gender identity, biological sex and sexual orientation, Stock has. In her book Material Girls, she lays out her argument that biological reality matters. I happen to agree – but even if I didn’t, I would still defend her, firstly because I believe in free speech and secondly because I empathise with some of what is happening to her. Stock was not able to attend a public meeting at the weekend (the police advised her not to), but a statement was read out instead. It included this passage: “Most of my students are the same as they always have been: curious, idealistic, insightful, passionate, full of bright ideas, keen to do the right thing, and very fun to teach. But what has changed on campus in the last decade is the way that technology – most obviously social media – has allowed a few students with totalitarian tendencies to have a disproportionate chilling effect on the rest. “In my experience, plenty of academics will deny there is a free speech problem in academia. For some of them, this is because their own ideas are utterly banal for the discipline in which they work, so that they don’t ever have cause to notice the problem.” The problem for Stock is that, while her vice chancellor supported her, her former union did not; her branch of the University and College Union has shown itself to have no understanding of solidarity, and is pathetic. Having been threatened with harm and hounded, she is now being driven out of employment. Her supporters have stickered the campus with quotes from her book, including: “Trans people are trans people. We should get over it: they deserve to be safe, to be visible throughout society without shame or stigma, and to have exactly the life opportunities non-trans people do.” God, what a danger she is. Burn the witch! A belief in biological sex is now verboten. We must sign up to the new religion, mouthing mantras that many of us simply know to be untrue. The complex debates around gender and trans rights have tended to be seen as ‘women’s issues’. Men rarely write about them – and if they do, they are not sent rape threats. Their colleagues do not gang up against them. As someone who has experienced this, I know how it feels: when I worked at a ‘progressive’ newspaper, I wrote how I believed biological sex to be real and that it’s not transphobic to understand basic science – and my colleagues’ response left me betrayed, broken, devastated. At that time, I was sent messages every day from big names, and even former ‘enemies’, in support. In public, I was being trashed as a transphobe. My bosses did nothing, some because they disagreed, which is fine, but mostly because they were scared. There is nothing non-binary about cowardice. There is nothing radical about allowing misogyny in the name of ‘inclusivity’. There is nothing liberal about allowing men to dictate which women’s rights are to be given away. People like Stock – or Maya Forstater, the think-tank worker who lost her job after saying that people cannot change their biological sex – never asked to be in the public eye and to have to deal with the kind of abuse they are getting. As a journalist, I was perhaps a little more used to it, but I was still numb. Bullying does that to you. In the end, you close down because, if you don’t, you simply break down. My loved ones were worried about me. I remember one ex-colleague writing: “I always thought you were bullet-proof”. Really? If you cut me do I not bleed? JK Rowling also has first-hand experience of the mob. After she tweeted her support for Forstater (“Dress however you please. Call yourself whatever you like”), the three leading stars of the Harry Potter films, Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson and Rupert Grint distanced themselves from Rowling’s comments. Their intervention prompted a social media pile-on in which Rowling was called a “Feminazi, terf [short for ‘trans-exclusionary radical feminist’], b---- , witch”: “Times change,” she said, “woman-hate is eternal.” The Witchfinder Generals of social media scent blood and go after one woman after another, but this is not to be relegated to ‘a woman’s issue’. This is one of free speech. We can believe what we like, but only if we don’t say it out loud. This week, Cambridge University’s student union issued a guide – written by its new women’s officer, who goes by the pronouns he/him and they/them – entitled How to Spot Terf Ideology. It suggests that being a woman is not just down to biological sex, and says those who question this idea could be “transphobic”, or even linked to the “far Right”. Are students now not able to think for themselves on this subject? This is insanity. A friend who happens to be trans once said to me: “Book-burning starts one word at a time”. How true; the word we are no longer allowed to use is “women”. The Scottish Government was criticised this week after its new cancer screening campaign urged “anyone with a cervix” to come forward for a smear test, rather than women. Instead, women are now a collection of body parts: cervix-havers, menstruaters, gestaters. Men, I note, are still men. This is the moment at which you have to choose a side – just as we did over The Satanic Verses. The fuss made because I argued for the right for women to have single-sex spaces was ridiculous, but fundamentalists who had not read Rushdie’s book burnt it and murdered its publishers. Now women are being threatened. They are losing jobs, being made pariahs because they do not adhere to the fundamentalist tenants of extreme gender ideology. So it’s time to understand exactly what is being threatened here: it is freedom of thought, freedom of speech. It has very little to do with the one per cent of the population who may be trans. It is everything to do with the closing down of questioning, inquiry, philosophy within many of our institutions. You are free to disagree with me, but you should not be free to hound me out of employment because of it. If you did that on the basis of race or religion, there would be no question that this was wrong. Somehow, though, this progressive misogyny is everywhere. It’s time for everyone to stand up to it, to stand up for freedom of speech. We use it or lose it. Kathleen Stock has resigned her post. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/28/sussex-professor-kathleen-stock-resigns-after-transgender-rights-row Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share Posted October 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, Beni said: Kathleen Stock has resigned her post. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/28/sussex-professor-kathleen-stock-resigns-after-transgender-rights-row Not good . Bullied by a baying , pitch fork mob out of her profession . It’s dangerous waters. I wish she hadn’t but maybe the pressure was too much for her ? There will be mass celebrations from some oddballs tonight on Twitter . Meanwhile in the real world it’s a blow to freedom of speech ! In particular in a university of all places in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share Posted October 28, 2021 The great Julie Burchill The rise of the Transmaids - spiked (spiked-online.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share Posted October 28, 2021 However some good news today The persecution of Marion Millar and Kathleen Stock | The Spectator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 4 hours ago, Beni said: Kathleen Stock has resigned her post. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/28/sussex-professor-kathleen-stock-resigns-after-transgender-rights-row As scandalous as it is dangerous. Those campus bigots want hunted and kicked out the Uni. No place there for the biology defying, intellectually blindfolded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: As scandalous as it is dangerous. Those campus bigots want hunted and kicked out the Uni. No place there for the biology defying, intellectually blindfolded. Yep . The university management should be ashamed of themselves by being bullied by a nasty , vicious , intolerant , aggressive dangerous minority . Edited October 28, 2021 by JamesM48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 I heard an advertisement on the radio earlier that "people with a cervix" can now apply for cervical screening. Sounded very odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Jonkel Hoon said: I heard an advertisement on the radio earlier that "people with a cervix" can now apply for cervical screening. Sounded very odd. It’s erasing the term “ female “ Making us believe that other people can have a cervix when we all know only women have a cervix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Is this "Doctors" row still dreading on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 29, 2021 Author Share Posted October 29, 2021 2 hours ago, jonesy said: I work at a university (thankfully not for much longer) and they are constantly firing round emails and surveys about how staff can be “allies”. Originally thought it was going to be about role-playing some WW2 battles, but no, it’s about having to concern ourselves with where folk like to put their bits and whether or not they shop on the ground floor or upstairs in Next. I just want to turn up to work, do my job and get paid, not have top-down mandates about supporting people through their sexual escapades and identity crises. The shark looks awfy wee from all the way up here. Yes its all went pear shaped now regarding the " LGBT" agenda. It started to go this way once the "T" was added i feel. Trans is not a sexual orientation and they jumped on the wagon of LGB and have created a toxic debate now , highlighted by the effective sacking of Kathleen. They cannot "debate" . They will not consider that sex is immutable . They deliberately mix sex and gender to confuse any argument. I can tell that coming from a lifestyle where i know a few gay people and some lesbians NONE have any interest in this debate. We don't have anything in common with trans issues. GRA is of no interest to us and I know most lesbians are against it too. Just want to get on with our lives and not be lumped together with a lunatic fringe group who were arguing the other day that lesbians are transphobic if they dont sleep with " lesbians who have a penis" . Madness. We just want to get pissed . eat good meals and go to Hearts matches lol....like anyone else . Its mainly the younger impressionable gay and lesbians who support all madness. They want to be part of the group and dont want to be outside of it ( gays nightmare is not to fit in or be ostracised). They are supported by the Hampstead champagne left wing mob of Owen Jones. Michael Cashman and David Paisley . The unholy trinity of hatred against women i feel. They have ruiied the reputation of Stonewall too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 29, 2021 Author Share Posted October 29, 2021 2 hours ago, jonesy said: I work at a university (thankfully not for much longer) and they are constantly firing round emails and surveys about how staff can be “allies”. Originally thought it was going to be about role-playing some WW2 battles, but no, it’s about having to concern ourselves with where folk like to put their bits and whether or not they shop on the ground floor or upstairs in Next. I just want to turn up to work, do my job and get paid, not have top-down mandates about supporting people through their sexual escapades and identity crises. The shark looks awfy wee from all the way up here. oh and i hate the terrm " allies" . it infers we are little weaklings and need support of stronger peoples. No thanks Ive managed up until now dealing with any homophobia etc. Their patronising support isn't needed in my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 5, 2021 Author Share Posted November 5, 2021 Dear lord....labels labels labels... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) On 29/10/2021 at 10:59, JamesM48 said: oh and i hate the terrm " allies" . it infers we are little weaklings and need support of stronger peoples. No thanks Ive managed up until now dealing with any homophobia etc. Their patronising support isn't needed in my case. It really is all so patronising. Almost feel like we should be tapping 'minorities' (of whatever kind they may be) on the head as we speak to them. Awww look it is a little gay man, I will be your supporter and strength - let me wave this rainbow flag. I would love just one day without labels. I would go all out and say a day without labels would see a lot less anger and hatred than a day with labels. Infact, even the label 'minority' is patronising as ****! Edited November 5, 2021 by i8hibsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 5, 2021 Author Share Posted November 5, 2021 12 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: It really is all so patronising. Almost feel like we should be tapping 'minorities' (of whatever kind they may be) on the head as we speak to them. Awww look it is a little gay man, I will be your supporter and strength - let me wave this rainbow flag. I would love just one day without labels. I would go all out and say a day without labels would see a lot less anger and hatred than a day with labels. Infact, even the label 'minority' is patronising as ****! 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 5, 2021 Author Share Posted November 5, 2021 I gie up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 17 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: I gie up Don't worry Sir - plenty of days still to keep it all going. This month (November) alone sees: 1st Islamophobia Awareness Day 2nd Eliminating Unconscious Bias Day 4th International Stress Awareness Day (just in-case anyone was unaware of stress) 13th World Kindness Day 14th Inter Faith Week 17th Attracting Diverse Talent from Within the Community Day 18th Active Bystanders to Allies Day (WTF!!) 20th Trans Day of Remembrance 25th International Day for Elimination of Violence Towards Women Day This is no joke. these are all actual 'things'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 5, 2021 Author Share Posted November 5, 2021 40 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Don't worry Sir - plenty of days still to keep it all going. This month (November) alone sees: 1st Islamophobia Awareness Day 2nd Eliminating Unconscious Bias Day 4th International Stress Awareness Day (just in-case anyone was unaware of stress) 13th World Kindness Day 14th Inter Faith Week 17th Attracting Diverse Talent from Within the Community Day 18th Active Bystanders to Allies Day (WTF!!) 20th Trans Day of Remembrance 25th International Day for Elimination of Violence Towards Women Day This is no joke. these are all actual 'things'. Ohh ! Why can’t we just have a “ “human being “ day ? That’s what we all have in common . Instead of the divisive different labels which are increasing every day . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CF11JamTart Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 29/10/2021 at 10:59, JamesM48 said: oh and i hate the terrm " allies" . it infers we are little weaklings and need support of stronger peoples. No thanks Ive managed up until now dealing with any homophobia etc. Their patronising support isn't needed in my case. At my work, I've not opted to be an LGBTQ+ Ally. I'm hoping that doesn't tag me as a homophobe or transphobe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 5, 2021 Author Share Posted November 5, 2021 3 hours ago, CF11JamTart said: At my work, I've not opted to be an LGBTQ+ Ally. I'm hoping that doesn't tag me as a homophobe or transphobe. Unsure what you mean? Opting our or in at work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CF11JamTart Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 1 hour ago, JamesM48 said: Unsure what you mean? Opting our or in at work? Not "volunteering" to be an Ally, as a late 40s straight bloke. We're all being encouraged to be Aliies. The company is very keen to get its Stonewall creds and climb the league table. I suppose I'm not massively keen on the pronouns in email footers and "I'm an Ally" lanyards. Feels a wee bit like virtue signally. And in danger of conflating sexuality with gender identification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 5, 2021 Author Share Posted November 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, CF11JamTart said: Not "volunteering" to be an Ally, as a late 40s straight bloke. We're all being encouraged to be Aliies. The company is very keen to get its Stonewall creds and climb the league table. I suppose I'm not massively keen on the pronouns in email footers and "I'm an Ally" lanyards. Feels a wee bit like virtue signally. And in danger of conflating sexuality with gender identification. Well done. I would totally be against it if they did this as my work as its just virtual signalling really. Pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboJambo1874 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 I try to be even minded. I understand the world has changed. However this trans issue is a a part of the larger 'woke' agenda. What started as a recognition that some people are confused over their sexuality has now morphed in to wholesale acceptance that gender is fluid. This is an absurd idea. There are 2 sexes, male and female. This is biological fact. There is no getting away from it. Should we be incompassionate to people who are experiencing a psychological problem? No we shouldn't. We should recognise that they are experiencing confusion, we should be understanding and we should help to overcome the issue. Violence of aggression toward such people is wrong and should not be accepted. This does not mean that we agree with men who identify as women or vice versa. It has now gotten to the point where stating what I said above 'There are 2 sexes, male and female. This is biological fact' has effectively become a criminal offence. This is utter madness. We are now unable to make one of the most basic fundamental statements about humanity. Our children are being taught that a political idea which is direct opposition to the facts should be accepted as truth. This is incredibly dangerous. What other 'truths' are we going to forced to accept. This is our new Orwellian reality. As always, disagree if you wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboJambo1874 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 6 hours ago, JamesM48 said: Ohh ! Why can’t we just have a “ “human being “ day ? That’s what we all have in common . Instead of the divisive different labels which are increasing every day . Couldn't agree more. Identity politics causes division, not unity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 5, 2021 Author Share Posted November 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, JimboJambo1874 said: I try to be even minded. I understand the world has changed. However this trans issue is a a part of the larger 'woke' agenda. What started as a recognition that some people are confused over their sexuality has now morphed in to wholesale acceptance that gender is fluid. This is an absurd idea. There are 2 sexes, male and female. This is biological fact. There is no getting away from it. Should we be incompassionate to people who are experiencing a psychological problem? No we shouldn't. We should recognise that they are experiencing confusion, we should be understanding and we should help to overcome the issue. Violence of aggression toward such people is wrong and should not be accepted. This does not mean that we agree with men who identify as women or vice versa. It has now gotten to the point where stating what I said above 'There are 2 sexes, male and female. This is biological fact' has effectively become a criminal offence. This is utter madness. We are now unable to make one of the most basic fundamental statements about humanity. Our children are being taught that a political idea which is direct opposition to the facts should be accepted as truth. This is incredibly dangerous. What other 'truths' are we going to forced to accept. This is our new Orwellian reality. As always, disagree if you wish. Good posting . Sex and gender have deliberately been conflated by many in the trans community . It has caused confusion for some . But the reality is there are only two sexes . This cannot be disputed but is ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 6, 2021 Author Share Posted November 6, 2021 8 minutes ago, jonesy said: Similar. Survey posted out recently. One of the Qs was literally Do you feel that you are an ally to the LBQT+ members of staff? Well, first, I don't know any alphabet-spaghetti colleagues. And secondly, if they want to put their dicks in things that I don't, or fancy munching some rug, then that's up to them and shouldn't be part of what we talk about at work. Your getting a triple gif ! It’s very rarely awarded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 2 hours ago, JamesM48 said: Good posting . Sex and gender have deliberately been conflated by many in the trans community . It has caused confusion for some . But the reality is there are only two sexes . This cannot be disputed but is ! Absolutely, James. Happy to concur. There are only two sexes - that is a biological fact. The miniscule minority of the population who are confused or "trapped in the wrong body" should be treated respectfully but without impinging on the rights of the overwhelming majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 6, 2021 Author Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Absolutely, James. Happy to concur. There are only two sexes - that is a biological fact. The miniscule minority of the population who are confused or "trapped in the wrong body" should be treated respectfully but without impinging on the rights of the overwhelming majority. Yep . No such thing as being “ trapped in the wrong body “ Enzo . That’s another load of un scientific gibberish to appeal to the dafties ( wind crowd) who mainly support many of those , sorry to say deluded people , about their bodies and “ identity “ . Yes we are allowed to have our views but when delusional thinking becomes a type of “ reality “ and then Impinges on others rights , that’s a massive issue . IMO Edited November 6, 2021 by JamesM48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 6, 2021 Author Share Posted November 6, 2021 10 hours ago, JamesM48 said: 2 hours ago, jonesy said: Not quite sure if that’s a triumgif of approval or disdain. All I do know is that I do have one gay colleague, but I’m not his ally; I’m his colleague. if they want to put their dicks in things that I don't, or fancy munching some rug, then that's up to them and shouldn't be part of what we talk about at work. It was a mix of both Jonesy. I completely agree about you and others feeling you dont need to be " allies" for whatever reasons. I find it a patronising and embarrassing woke thing. Virtual signalling at its worse...I think most people have no issues with gay or lesbian colleagues and vice versa. I did however feel you narrowing down someone's sexual orientation to just the physical act was a bit harsh. Being gay / lesbian isn't only about that . Btw i can crude too. i do believe that them straights are now copying the gays with sticking their dicks in places they maybe shouldn't , both ways. Pegging being a new phenomena . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 6, 2021 Author Share Posted November 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, jonesy said: Without wishing to derail the thread, it'd be interesting to hear what, other than the sexual acts, being homosexual involves? Not trying to be wide or ignorant And... when my wife suggested pegging I thought she just needed a hand hanging up the washing. Eating Sleeping Drinking Having an emotional connection to someone ( if you so wish) Working Going to the footie ( admittedly not as many out homosexuals do) Going out for meals / pubs/ clubs. concerts Trying to get through this wretched existence really So the same as straights really apart from pegging..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 6, 2021 Author Share Posted November 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, jonesy said: Which is kind of what I was getting at. Except for who they are attracted to and enjoy getting touchy feely with, I don't see homosexual people as being any different from heterosexual people. Why they would then need 'allies' is beyond me. I knew you were getting at that hence my reply. ! The allies pish is from " Stonewall" . They are not fit for purpose now as they have been taken over by extremist's and their original remit for equality for LGB has been completely overshadowed by the militant trans brigade who have infiltrated their organisation. Id be very happy to see Stonewall them lose their funding. Anyway its s Saturday. Its match day. We are heading out soon for a coffee and roll....( never really drink before a match) Have a great Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Reekin' Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: I knew you were getting at that hence my reply. ! The allies pish is from " Stonewall" . They are not fit for purpose now as they have been taken over by extremist's and their original remit for equality for LGB has been completely overshadowed by the militant trans brigade who have infiltrated their organisation. Id be very happy to see Stonewall them lose their funding. Anyway its s Saturday. Its match day. We are heading out soon for a coffee and roll....( never really drink before a match) Have a great Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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