New manager incoming ( merged )

[Haken]

Fun thread.  Don’t know quite what to make of it.

 

Duncan Ferguson, cannae see it.

Neil McCann, another ex player doesn’t feel the way to go right now.

Derek McInnes, meh. Never mind his record against the Glasgows, his record against us wasn’t brilliant.

Alex Neil, cannae see it.

 

Spose we’ll just need to wait and see.  Or be spoon fed hints by the ITkerati.

[Armageddon]

Two thing’s I’ve learnt this week (apart from the OP being a slaver).

 

1) I asked someone I know who’s ITK outright and they said they’ve signed a confidentiality agreement and can’t, and won’t, talk about it.

 

2) Ian Black and Locke think Rob Neilson needs to go.

 

I’d be amazed if anyone has been talking about anything with anyone.

 

 

[ford donald]

1 hour ago, Dr. Sheldon Cooper said:

 

Alex Neil is my choice. A proven manager at a good level.

 

That is also my choice,NM is the second one.

[mitch41]

On 05/04/2021 at 12:54, Hendolad said:

Spoke to someone very close to our manager last night.100% a new manager will be appointed for next season.Rob has acknowledged this but mutual respect will see him get us over the line this season.I believe the new manager has already identified changes that he wants made and promises have been given to allow this to happen.

 

I said the other day that I hope once he leaves and the new man is in charge that the awful names our manager has been called will stop and people will realise all he has ever wanted is the best for Hearts.Hes such a nice guy and very loyal.This hasn't ended how any of us wanted but it is what it is.Lets just get the league won and let him go with our thanks and respect.

Thanks for the info Hendolad if your right this has to be the best for all parties. 

[colinmaroon]

14 hours ago, Marooned Abroad said:

Colin, here it is. I had to send a shorter version to The Scotsman but the message was the same.

Not a peep from the Club or FOH!

 

Dear Mrs Budge

I am writing to you as a supporter, Shareholder, FOH Member, and Season Ticket holder to express my deep concern about the malaise which is gripping our great Club.

My father and grandfather before him hailed from Gorgie, my whole family are committed Jambos, and although I have not lived in Scotland since the mid sixties, I have supported Hearts since I was a small boy around 70 years ago. During that time I and my family have been emotionally caught up in all the highs and lows of being Jambos, so I feel well qualified to express my deep concern about the present situation.

The result on Tuesday at Brora is (I hope) the nadir of the current crisis. As a number of commentators more qualified than me have said, it is something which has been coming for some time. I am sure you are aware that to retain support from the many thousands of us who have committed time and hard earned money to the Club, it needs to be turned round - now!

I have seen almost every game this season home and away on streaming services, and although we had a bright start, both the quality of the team’s performances and results have progressively deteriorated. Indeed it has been painful to to watch our games in the more recent past, although until Tuesdaysomehow we have scraped by.

It is plainly obvious that on the pitch, there is a lack of confidence, of ideas, and in some cases a lack of talent and effort. With a few notable exceptions, we seem to have a surfeit of players at the end of their careers, or who have not made it elsewhere. Also, where are the players from our much vaunted Academy whom we have been told on countless occasions in the past are to form our lifeblood going forward? If we have talented young players, we need them at Tynecastle, not wasting away in even lower Leagues. The names of Harry Stone, Cammy Logan, Connor Smith and Harry Cochrane spring immediately to mind.

The buck for all this has to stop at those responsible for the football side of the Club.

You and your team on the Board have done a magnificent job reviving our business from the dead and the infrastructure improvements have been plain to see. For that, thank you so much.

However, on the football side, by your own admission, you took too long to remove Craig Levein from the position of Head Coach. I therefore implore you not to make the same mistake again with Robbie Neilson and his team. Although we are on the face of it well on the way to gaining our rightful place in the Premier League, our position is at the moment somewhat illusory bearing in mind the decline in performance and the way that other team’s results have favoured us.

I would go so far as to suggest that if you are not prepared to act now, unless the current management team can revive our fortunes and win the Championship by at least 10 to 12 points, they can not be considered fit to get us back to a top 6 place in the Premier League, never mind top 3.

I implore you - please do not delay or procrastinate on this.

Thank you for reading my letter.

 

Great letter and not receiving even an acknowledgement speaks volumes.  It is unprofessional, disrespectful and reveals "a couldn't care less" attitude towards the fans.

 

Possibly, hopefully, part of the reason may be that they are inundated with mail and they would have to be careful what they say, knowing it would go public but  "Thank you for your concern," or a smple public statement along the same lines would be a better demonstration of the acceptance that the fans mean something to the club management. 

 

[Sherbet]

On 05/04/2021 at 12:54, Hendolad said:

Spoke to someone very close to our manager last night.100% a new manager will be appointed for next season.Rob has acknowledged this but mutual respect will see him get us over the line this season.I believe the new manager has already identified changes that he wants made and promises have been given to allow this to happen.

 

I said the other day that I hope once he leaves and the new man is in charge that the awful names our manager has been called will stop and people will realise all he has ever wanted is the best for Hearts.Hes such a nice guy and very loyal.This hasn't ended how any of us wanted but it is what it is.Lets just get the league won and let him go with our thanks and respect.

Very loyal?  He wailked out on us before,then Dundee Utd

[Smithee]

29 minutes ago, Sherbet said:

Very loyal?  He wailked out on us before,then Dundee Utd

Loyalty's vital, I'm always ready to go where loyalty's most highly rewarded.

[bfst]

These rumours must have got back to the players. What will their reaction be? A possible new manager, who has probably been having their recent dismal performances watched. Will it give them the kick up their arses they need to improve or will they be happy to accept their money and face playing out their contracts on loan to Brechin City etc.

[gorgieheart]

He arrived yet  ?   

[Italian Lambretta]

5 minutes ago, gorgieheart said:

He arrived yet  ?   

Yes the plane form Portugal this morning

[Batistuta87]

1 hour ago, Sherbet said:

Very loyal?  He wailked out on us before,then Dundee Utd

 

Aye lets hold that against him as well because why not. I mean its not as if he got offered more money elsewhere while our fans were actively asking for him to leave, protesting and flying planes over the stadium demanding his removal. How dare he leave under those circumstances. 

  

[OldGorgie]

1 hour ago, colinmaroon said:

 

Great letter and not receiving even an acknowledgement speaks volumes.  It is unprofessional, disrespectful and reveals "a couldn't care less" attitude towards the fans.

 

Possibly, hopefully, part of the reason may be that they are inundated with mail and they would have to be careful what they say, knowing it would go public but  "Thank you for your concern," or a smple public statement along the same lines would be a better demonstration of the acceptance that the fans mean something to the club management. 

 

The club gets thousands of e-mails and letters each week. There is no capacity at the club to answer them. 

[The Old Tolbooth]

30 minutes ago, bfst said:

These rumours must have got back to the players. What will their reaction be? A possible new manager, who has probably been having their recent dismal performances watched. Will it give them the kick up their arses they need to improve or will they be happy to accept their money and face playing out their contracts on loan to Brechin City etc.

 

Let's be honest here, 99% of players are complete and utter mercenaries and only care about the salaries they receive, and couldn't give tuppence worth for the clubs they play for, and who can blame them? 

 

The line from the song "Players only love you when they're playing", has never been more true than nowadays. 

[JimmyCant]

1 hour ago, OldGorgie said:

The club gets thousands of e-mails and letters each week. There is no capacity at the club to answer them. 

Aside from which, a letter who’s main thrust is asking you to sack someone is probably going right in the circular file anyway.

[gorgieheart]

1 hour ago, Italian Lambretta said:

Yes the plane form Portugal this morning

 

2 weeks in the Travelodge at the airport ....

[colinmaroon]

1 hour ago, OldGorgie said:

The club gets thousands of e-mails and letters each week. There is no capacity at the club to answer them. 

 

There is the capacity to briefly acknowledge via Club website in the present circumstances, for example, without going into any detailed response.  With remote working is there no-one who could respond to "customer's" complaints, barring the abusive; they deserve to be ignored.

 

I have written to SFA and had responses.

 

 

[Tom Hardy’s Dug]

17 hours ago, Stendelnator said:

For the folk talking about how McInnes bottled it against Celtic when it mattered - can I just ask how Hearts did in their last five cup games against them? If McInnes regularly gets us semis and finals then great. Also, as I recall he regularly beat Rangers until the last season or so. 

In the two most important games we’ve had against them in the cup finals we certainly didn’t bottle it and there is a a good argument to say our performances in those games deserved more than they got. 
 

And for whatever reason Aberdeen have regularly raised their game against the Huns. Whoever the manager. Equally whilst we’ve had some bad performances against Rangers recently in the “Budge era”’we have probably a better than average win record against them. I don’t know for sure but some statto I am sure will back that or bomb me out.

Edited April 8 by Tom Hardy’s Dug

[ScottieMac17]

I honestly cant believe people want McCann, If he is appointed we will be continuing down the same road as we are now.

 

McInnes wont play attractive football but he is will get us competing in the top six. 

 

Unfortunately i think Alex Neil is too unrealistic, but would be great.

[Sherbet]

2 hours ago, Batistuta87 said:

 

Aye lets hold that against him as well because why not. I mean its not as if he got offered more money elsewhere while our fans were actively asking for him to leave, protesting and flying planes over the stadium demanding his removal. How dare he leave under those circumstances. 

  

How dare he come back

[kingantti1874]

24 minutes ago, ScottieMac17 said:

I honestly cant believe people want McCann, If he is appointed we will be continuing down the same road as we are now.

 

McInnes wont play attractive football but he is will get us competing in the top six. 

 

Unfortunately i think Alex Neil is too unrealistic, but would be great.

mccann wouldn’t be my first choice; but I don’t think he’s in any way comparable to neilson other than the fact they are Scottish and he played for hearts.

 

he clearly wants to play attacking football, and clearly isn’t afraid to piss of players who aren’t pulling their weight.  When we played ICT they went 4-3-3, they didn’t sit in at all and went for us.

 

I think he’d be a good appointment. I like the way he speaks, he’s a winner, he plays to win and is capable of being a horrible *******.

[Stendelnator]

38 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said:

In the two most important games we’ve had against them in the cup finals we certainly didn’t bottle it and there is a a good argument to say our performances in those games deserved more than they got. 
 

And for whatever reason Aberdeen have regularly raised their game against the Huns. Whoever the manager. Equally whilst we’ve had some bad performances against Rangers recently in the “Budge era”’we have probably a better than average win record against them. I don’t know for sure but some statto I am sure will back that or bomb me out.

No but we still lost, as did Aberdeen. So why are they being accused of ‘bottling’ but we’re not? I just think it’s a lazy thing to say. On paper, finishing third and reaching the cup final looks like a pretty good achievement to me considering where we are right now. 
 

Pretty sure Aberdeen have won at Celtic Park and Ibrox more recently than us too. 

[Des Lynam]

Obviously not this guy but someone like this. Just something to believe in again.....

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56667930

[The Real Maroonblood]

4 minutes ago, Des Lynam said:

Obviously not this guy but someone like this. Just something to believe in again.....

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56667930

We certainly need a bit of belief. 

[Albert McFly]

About a new manager being in place for next season is amazing to read and watch on here 

 

Enjoy the empty out of players being announced as soon as the league has been won and get your heads around our current management team being in place 

[The Old Tolbooth]

Nah, you're okay, I'll pass if this management team are in place next season thanks, because it won't matter what players we have. 

[NANOJAMBO]

7 minutes ago, Albert McFly said:

About a new manager being in place for next season is amazing to read and watch on here 

 

Enjoy the empty out of players being announced as soon as the league has been won and get your heads around our current management team being in place 

You couldn't post this on another thread ? 

[jamboman9]

Opinion or ITK?

Whichever,if only there was a similar thread you could've posted on.

[A_A wehatethehibs]

If he stays, gone by Christmas so what’s the point? 

[DG_HMFC]

Budge is completely oblivious to the anger of the fans. She'll see it and hear the anger, obviously, but she won't fully understand until she sees the low ST sales by keeping Robbie in the job beyond this season. 

[Ron Burgundy]

Stinks of someone still hurting from 19/05/12.

[Bad Religion]

Bob must go. 

[Heartsofgold]

1 hour ago, Albert McFly said:

About a new manager being in place for next season is amazing to read and watch on here 

 

Enjoy the empty out of players being announced as soon as the league has been won and get your heads around our current management team being in place 

 

No PHM would have his Kickback handle containing the name Albert.  Methinks you are a supporter of the green persuasion.

[Restonbabe]

I smell a hobo from a mile away. Even at our worst we still pump your lot 

[Italian Lambretta]

2 hours ago, DG_HMFC said:

Budge is completely oblivious to the anger of the fans. She'll see it and hear the anger, obviously, but she won't fully understand until she sees the low ST sales by keeping Robbie in the job beyond this season. 

The fans also have to do there bit and make her aware in no uncertain terms the reason we are not renewing our season tickets.

[OldGorgie]

6 hours ago, colinmaroon said:

 

There is the capacity to briefly acknowledge via Club website in the present circumstances, for example, without going into any detailed response.  With remote working is there no-one who could respond to "customer's" complaints, barring the abusive; they deserve to be ignored.

 

I have written to SFA and had responses.

 

 

Just explaining what I have heard from someone who has a good position at the club. 

[This is My Story Podcast]

Robbies comments today don’t sound like a man that’s been told he’s being replaced in the summer 🙃🙃

[gregzy2k7]

5 minutes ago, This is My Story Podcast said:

Robbies comments today don’t sound like a man that’s been told he’s being replaced in the summer 🙃🙃

🤮🤮 sincerely hope not.

[Albert McFly]

Robbie is going nowhere! it's pure fantasy people talking about other managers 

 

Unfortunately people can't see past him as the issue and I'm saying he's the solution but maybe point more anger at the majority of the players who have downed tools after being told they are no longer wanted at our club but continue to take full wages with little or no effort

[Agentjambo]

3 minutes ago, Albert McFly said:

Robbie is going nowhere! it's pure fantasy people talking about other managers 

 

Unfortunately people can't see past him as the issue and I'm saying he's the solution but maybe point more anger at the majority of the players who have downed tools after being told they are no longer wanted at our club but continue to take full wages with little or no effort

Who told them they are no longer wanted at our club??

[Albert McFly]

1 minute ago, Agentjambo said:

Who told them they are no longer wanted at our club??

Who do you think multiple players have been told their contracts are not being renewed and others told to find new clubs 

[Agentjambo]

2 minutes ago, Albert McFly said:

Who do you think multiple players have been told their contracts are not being renewed and others told to find new clubs 

I’m asking you..

[Big Slim Stylee]

8 hours ago, The Old Tolbooth said:

 

Let's be honest here, 99% of players are complete and utter mercenaries and only care about the salaries they receive, and couldn't give tuppence worth for the clubs they play for, and who can blame them? 

 

The line from the song "Players only love you when they're playing", has never been more true than nowadays. 

Hippy.

[GinRummy]

2 minutes ago, Big Slim Stylee said:

Hippy.

Dinnae dis Fleetwood Mac 😠

[jambonian]

8 hours ago, Batistuta87 said:

 

Aye lets hold that against him as well because why not. I mean its not as if he got offered more money elsewhere while our fans were actively asking for him to leave, protesting and flying planes over the stadium demanding his removal. How dare he leave under those circumstances. 

  

 

If you think Neilson left because of a plane flying over Tynecastle then that's delusional thinking and shows him as a weak individual. Surely he would've wanted to stay and prove the plane-fliers wrong and to give them a "get-it-right-up-ye!" no!?

I believe he thought he'd taken Hearts as far as he could. Yes, he might've wanted a new challenge but if he'd hung around a few more weeks he could've possibly had the choice of a few clubs. Managers are always getting sacked down south, he could've held on and waited until a better club came in for him but, he didn't. He got out of Tynecastle at the first club to flash their keks at him. You also have to ask why the fans wanted him to leave. I was in Tynecastle week-on-week and almost every game at full-time fans (not all) booed the performances. We lost quite a few points late on due to poor keep-what-we-have substitutions rather than going all out to get that extra goal to take the pressure off. Also, there was no big hoo-haa or outrage by fans or even media when he did leave. He done nothing at MK Dons and he was soon given the bullet. Dundee Utd fans wanted rid of him for over a year, the most common complaint/moan was that the football is "shite and dull" (Where have we heard that before). Once again i didn't hear any outrage when he walked out on them to come back to Tynecastle. 

All Robbie needed to do was learn from past mistakes, change his style of play to an attractive one instead of this side-to-side, tippy-tappy stuff with little to no excitement. He walks into opposition managers' traps nearly every week and struggles to break teams down. 

[Captain Canada]

2 minutes ago, jambonian said:

 

If you think Neilson left because of a plane flying over Tynecastle then that's delusional thinking and shows him as a weak individual. Surely he would've wanted to stay and prove the plane-fliers wrong and to give them a "get-it-right-up-ye!" no!?

I believe he thought he'd taken Hearts as far as he could. Yes, he might've wanted a new challenge but if he'd hung around a few more weeks he could've possibly had the choice of a few clubs. Managers are always getting sacked down south, he could've held on and waited until a better club came in for him but, he didn't. He got out of Tynecastle at the first club to flash their keks at him. You also have to ask why the fans wanted him to leave. I was in Tynecastle week-on-week and almost every game at full-time fans (not all) booed the performances. We lost quite a few points late on due to poor keep-what-we-have substitutions rather than going all out to get that extra goal to take the pressure off. Also, there was no big hoo-haa or outrage by fans or even media when he did leave. He done nothing at MK Dons and he was soon given the bullet. Dundee Utd fans wanted rid of him for over a year, the most common complaint/moan was that the football is "shite and dull" (Where have we heard that before). Once again i didn't hear any outrage when he walked out on them to come back to Tynecastle. 

All Robbie needed to do was learn from past mistakes, change his style of play to an attractive one instead of this side-to-side, tippy-tappy stuff with little to no excitement. He walks into opposition managers' traps nearly every week and struggles to break teams down. 

 

Agree with all of this, especially the last line.

 

Surely he'd have anticipated teams sitting in against us this season but he constantly uses it as an excuse. It's up to us to find a way around it but all we do is plod along side to side and then back again. 

[Albert McFly]

40 minutes ago, Agentjambo said:

I’m asking you..

Wow 😳

[Agentjambo]

14 minutes ago, Albert McFly said:

Wow 😳

Your telling me budge has told players they aren’t wanted? Wouldn’t the normal thing be to tell them after the season was finished?

[Dia Liom]

1 minute ago, Agentjambo said:

Your telling me budge has told players they aren’t wanted? Wouldn’t the normal thing be to tell them after the season was finished?

 

Er, no.  See Berra for an example.

[Hackney Hearts]

10 minutes ago, Agentjambo said:

Your telling me budge has told players they aren’t wanted? 

 

Did he say Budge? Surely it would be done by Savage or RN?

[fancy a brew]

9 hours ago, Batistuta87 said:

 

Aye lets hold that against him as well because why not. I mean its not as if he got offered more money elsewhere while our fans were actively asking for him to leave, protesting and flying planes over the stadium demanding his removal. How dare he leave under those circumstances. 

  

 

That's good news.

If having the fans on his case was a factor in Rob leaving last time, it's about 100 times worse this time.

Your post raises hopes of a repeat performance. 👍