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Agentjambo
15 minutes ago, Jamboj1 said:

No sure whether the first poster took a guess or not, but I can back up that majority at the club don’t expect Robbie to here next season, majority didn’t expect him to be here today but ultimately that final call is currently on budge. Elsewhere Savage has been laying the ground work for a new way of thinking starting with recruitment and decisions on philosophy on style of play to stop the mass turnover we have had in recent years 👍🏻 

Yes...a true ITKer. 

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Rogue Daddy
2 hours ago, Batistuta87 said:

Who are we to say whether its true or false? Nobody knows for sure. 

 

Honestly couldn't care less if he's right or wrong - he's obviously heard something and is bringing it to the forum for discussion. Is that not what this thing is set up for??

 

Its out of order. Schoolboy stuff, and will do nothing other than discourage people to share rumours they've heard themselves.

 

I've heard the same rumour as it goes. RN out at the end of the season, and I was given the name of the man who is apparently taking over. I'm not disclosing any other detail though because 1) The person who told me could get in trouble and 2) I don't know how true it is. But I did hear it. 

 

 

 

 

Well said mate👍... I can see him going once the league has been won - I’m sure he’s been given the time to collect his ‘league win bonus’. It also makes sense to hold off on STs until a new manager is announced. At least, this is how I see it unfolding. 

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Gmcjambo
10 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

The state of Hearts and we're already to dismiss McInnes ?

If he wants re-employed he'll  do what he's told (DOF) and if he thinks clubs have £750K for salaries post-Covid he's living in la-la land.

Don't really get the seethe over his non-appointment : it's not as if Hearts will be playing silky soccer in the foreseeable future , not with the current squad or the lack of cash to get decent replacements. McInnes doesn't get my pulse racing but we need an experienced manager and we need one PDQ. Silky soccer can wait. 

My heart sinks reading this tbh,    the sentiment around 'silky soccer can wait' has been around for so long it almost feels part of the clubs DNA,  back to when CL was muttering this and his plan to sort out the defence and then work from there,   I also think as soon as way start talking about potential replacements for RN by referring to the state we are in, just makes it sound like we're happy with 2nd best.     I get the point you are making,  but I also feel that it's been so bad for so long, we forget that a good coach can actually make a real difference to players confidence and style of play.    I'm at the stage where we need to start putting performances and style of play much more at the centre of our football club.

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gregzy2k7
18 minutes ago, Jamboj1 said:

No sure whether the first poster took a guess or not, but I can back up that majority at the club don’t expect Robbie to here next season, majority didn’t expect him to be here today but ultimately that final call is currently on budge. Elsewhere Savage has been laying the ground work for a new way of thinking starting with recruitment and decisions on philosophy on style of play to stop the mass turnover we have had in recent years 👍🏻 

Fantastic news, cheers for the info.

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Tom Hardy’s Dug
12 minutes ago, Jamboj1 said:

The latter👍🏻


Well I hope to **** he is getting a shitload of input in from JJ as he just doesn’t have the experience to do that for a club of our size.

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Of course this is how we started under Budge - every team playing and being coached in the same style to ensure consistency and not have a huge turnover of players when a manager leaves.

 

That went well.

 

Hopefully with different “football men” this time the result will be different.

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Jamboj1
6 minutes ago, gregzy2k7 said:

Fantastic news, cheers for the info.

Happy to pass on anything I get 👍🏻 Just hope budge makes the correct decision 

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17 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said:


As I see it he can either only be doing that with the blessing of/working behind the scenes with a new manager OR we have to get a manager whose coaching and ethos fits with what he is doing.

 

I hope it’s the former as the latter won’t work.

Why won’t the latter work? 

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Bongo 1874

I'm told Robbie is 100% expecting to be in charge next season, and has been backed with Savage already looking to get pre contracts sorted. 

 

 

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Tom Hardy’s Dug
2 minutes ago, sadj said:

Why won’t the latter work? 


You have to retrofit a manager or head coach into the system that has been set up.

 

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The Real Maroonblood
1 minute ago, Bongo 1874 said:

I'm told Robbie is 100% expecting to be in charge next season, and has been backed with Savage already looking to get pre contracts sorted. 

 

 

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GinRummy
1 minute ago, Bongo 1874 said:

I'm told Robbie is 100% expecting to be in charge next season, and has been backed with Savage already looking to get pre contracts sorted. 

 

 

Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest tbh

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Rogue Daddy
27 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

Tell them that we don't want anyone that went to largs to do their badges and all Scottish managers cv's should be shredded. 👍 

😂😂😂 I’d go along with that!

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On 05/04/2021 at 12:54, Hendolad said:

Spoke to someone very close to our manager last night.100% a new manager will be appointed for next season.Rob has acknowledged this but mutual respect will see him get us over the line this season.I believe the new manager has already identified changes that he wants made and promises have been given to allow this to happen.

 

I said the other day that I hope once he leaves and the new man is in charge that the awful names our manager has been called will stop and people will realise all he has ever wanted is the best for Hearts.Hes such a nice guy and very loyal.This hasn't ended how any of us wanted but it is what it is.Lets just get the league won and let him go with our thanks and respect.

Anyone who gets personal against Neilson is going too far for sure.

However he has totally failed since the turn of the year to get this side to play like they HAVE to win, which is the manager's job. And they are now playing like there is no plan at all. I hope he does indeed go at seasons end

 

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Just now, Tom Hardy’s Dug said:


You have to retrofit a manager or head coach into the system that has been set up.

 

Not really , you can have a desired ethos that only needs minor adjustments within the squad to fit a new manager coming in. Just my opinion though. 
 

Why a club our size too? Preston are a big club in their own right

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jambopilms
4 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

I'm told Robbie is 100% expecting to be in charge next season, and has been backed with Savage already looking to get pre contracts sorted. 

 

 

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Agentjambo
4 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

I'm told Robbie is 100% expecting to be in charge next season, and has been backed with Savage already looking to get pre contracts sorted. 

 

 

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Jamboj1
5 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

I'm told Robbie is 100% expecting to be in charge next season, and has been backed with Savage already looking to get pre contracts sorted. 

 

 

As the final decision is down to budge I don’t think it would shock anyone, others within the club however strongly disagree

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adambraejambo
40 minutes ago, been here before said:

I've heard stuff too. Cant obviously tell anyone what it is or who told me because a- the person might get into trouble and b- I dont know if its kosher. But trust me though its 100% genuine.

 

Ill look forward to coming back for apologies when Im proven right.

I used to be ITK every morning about 1am after my parents went to bed. Then the phone bill came in and I had to stop using clubcall. Not heard stuff since then. I hope you know how lucky you are that you know stuff lol. 

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7 hours ago, portobellojambo1 said:

 

It is actually a reflection of the situation that many people I've spoken with (online) are not confident we will win at Tynecastle on Friday night against the bottom club in the league, Alloa. And our final three games are then against Morton (away), ICT (home) and Raith (away), three teams who for different reasons will be looking to take points from us. It is a sad situation that there is a lack of confidence that winning the Championship is still not a guaranteed certainty.

 

If we do manage a win these days, the only way I see it happening is if the opposition is complete shite. That Brora fiasco burst the ba' for me.

I'm almost dreading Friday. :(

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

I'm told Robbie is 100% expecting to be in charge next season, and has been backed with Savage already looking to get pre contracts sorted. 

 

 

You know we will have been looking at players for summer since before the january window

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Bongo 1874
1 minute ago, Jamboj1 said:

As the final decision is down to budge I don’t think it would shock anyone, others within the club however strongly disagree

As do i but I've heard there is someone advising budge in the background, how long is Jim's contract?. 

 

 

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gregzy2k7
10 minutes ago, Jamboj1 said:

Happy to pass on anything I get 👍🏻 Just hope budge makes the correct decision 

Me too, ann has been very indecisive before though so who knows, do you think the decision will be made fairly soon ? Or can you see it dragging on for a little bit longer?

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Bongo 1874
4 minutes ago, sadj said:

You know we will have been looking at players for summer since before the january window

Yes i understand that. 

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No Idle Talk

I saw an interesting point made somewhere recently that really resonated with me. 

 

Assuming Robbie Neilson leaves at the end of the season, I think the board should sit down and do both some short term and long term thinking before appointing the next manager. The short term thinking is obviously just to get the best man(pipe doon Shelley Kerr fans) for the job and for the club to get back to where it should be. But the long term thinking part is every bit as important. What I mean by long term thinking is as follows.........

 

I think Hearts need to make a conscious decision about what kind of football team they want to have - long term. Does style matter? Does it not? Are they fine with having a defensive team as long as the club wins more games than it loses? Is it important to them to have an attacking team that entertains the fans?

 

Once they answer these questions they can begin to look for a manager that will fit that criteria. This will obviously be relevant in the short term but it needs to become equally as important in the long term. What I would like the board to do is use it as a template for future managerial appointments and I will explain why.

 

Imagine Hearts appoint Derek McInnes as the next manager. Whatever you think of his overall capabilities as a manager, he is a defensive manager. His teams are not good to watch and would never ever win a trophy if style points were being dished out. So he will be looking to bring a certain kind of player to the club to fit in with the mentality and style of play that he wants to develop. Which is as it should be. Now, let's fast forward to the day when McInnes leaves Hearts. If McInnes' successor is a manager who has a Daniel Stendel like outlook on how the game should be played, then that creates a massive problem for Hearts. The situation Hearts then find themselves in is they have a new manager who wants to play fast paced, attacking football, but they have a squad full of footballers who are more suited to being disciplined and hard to beat. This means one thing - a squad overhaul. That costs money and it often takes time. In the meantime we have a new manager who is stuck with players who he either can't use or can't get the best out of. This will probably lead to poor or inconsistent results on the field. And that is ultimately the thing we are trying to avoid. 

 

Football clubs have a tendency, if they have just sacked a manager, to go for the exact opposite kind of manager to the one they have just had. It is not joined up thinking. If your squad is full of attacking players then I think the club should bring in another attack minded manager. He may be able to get more out of those players than the previous manager could by motivating them differently etc. The point is, there should be a squad of players there that can naturally take on board the style of play the new manager tries to employ. It IS joined up thinking.

 

I hope this is something the Hearts board will give a lot of thought to before making their next managerial move. We simply cannot continue having squad overhaul after squad overhaul. It costs a fortune and it creates a lot of instability at the club. We've had way too much of that in recent years and it needs to stop. The club needs a long term vision of where it is, where it wants to go, and how it intends to get from point A to point B. 

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Agentjambo
4 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

As do i but I've heard there is someone advising budge in the background, how long is Jim's contract?. 

 

 

Jim thinks Robbie should go.

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Sir Gio
40 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

The state of Hearts and we're already to dismiss McInnes ?

If he wants re-employed he'll  do what he's told (DOF) and if he thinks clubs have £750K for salaries post-Covid he's living in la-la land.

Don't really get the seethe over his non-appointment : it's not as if Hearts will be playing silky soccer in the foreseeable future , not with the current squad or the lack of cash to get decent replacements. McInnes doesn't get my pulse racing but we need an experienced manager and we need one PDQ. Silky soccer can wait. 

Please read back, not going over it again 

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Bongo 1874
1 minute ago, Agentjambo said:

Jim thinks Robbie should go.

Yeah but how long is his contract?. 

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Agentjambo
Just now, Bongo 1874 said:

Yeah but how long is his contract?. 

Why is that relevant? Not a clue to be honest.

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GinRummy
10 minutes ago, Jamboj1 said:

As the final decision is down to budge I don’t think it would shock anyone, others within the club however strongly disagree

So, as far as you know, it’s by no means certain that RN is going?

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4 minutes ago, No Idle Talk said:

I saw an interesting point made somewhere recently that really resonated with me. 

 

Assuming Robbie Neilson leaves at the end of the season, I think the board should sit down and do both some short term and long term thinking before appointing the next manager. The short term thinking is obviously just to get the best man(pipe doon Shelley Kerr fans) for the job and for the club to get back to where it should be. But the long term thinking part is every bit as important. What I mean by long term thinking is as follows.........

 

I think Hearts need to make a conscious decision about what kind of football team they want to have - long term. Does style matter? Does it not? Are they fine with having a defensive team as long as the club wins more games than it loses? Is it important to them to have an attacking team that entertains the fans?

 

Once they answer these questions they can begin to look for a manager that will fit that criteria. This will obviously be relevant in the short term but it needs to become equally as important in the long term. What I would like the board to do is use it as a template for future managerial appointments and I will explain why.

 

Imagine Hearts appoint Derek McInnes as the next manager. Whatever you think of his overall capabilities as a manager, he is a defensive manager. His teams are not good to watch and would never ever win a trophy if style points were being dished out. So he will be looking to bring a certain kind of player to the club to fit in with the mentality and style of play that he wants to develop. Which is as it should be. Now, let's fast forward to the day when McInnes leaves Hearts. If McInnes' successor is a manager who has a Daniel Stendel like outlook on how the game should be played, then that creates a massive problem for Hearts. The situation Hearts then find themselves in is they have a new manager who wants to play fast paced, attacking football, but they have a squad full of footballers who are more suited to being disciplined and hard to beat. This means one thing - a squad overhaul. That costs money and it often takes time. In the meantime we have a new manager who is stuck with players who he either can't use or can't get the best out of. This will probably lead to poor or inconsistent results on the field. And that is ultimately the thing we are trying to avoid. 

 

Football clubs have a tendency, if they have just sacked a manager, to go for the exact opposite kind of manager to the one they have just had. It is not joined up thinking. If your squad is full of attacking players then I think the club should bring in another attack minded manager. He may be able to get more out of those players than the previous manager could by motivating them differently etc. The point is, there should be a squad of players there that can naturally take on board the style of play the new manager tries to employ. It IS joined up thinking.

 

I hope this is something the Hearts board will give a lot of thought to before making their next managerial move. We simply cannot continue having squad overhaul after squad overhaul. It costs a fortune and it creates a lot of instability at the club. We've had way too much of that in recent years and it needs to stop. The club needs a long term vision of where it is, where it wants to go, and how it intends to get from point A to point B. 

Completely agree, good post.

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NANOJAMBO
2 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Please read back, not going over it again 

I've read it, don't worry about that.

You've got a problem with McInnes : I think we get it.  

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49 minutes ago, been here before said:

 

 

Oddly enough I think the manner in which Naismith came off was the death knell. Going off for treament, coming back in then breaking down on the pitch a few minutes later. The Sellick punters cheered it like a goal.

 

Im obviously not blaming him but I honestly think if he'd gone off and stayed the 'psychological' damage to the team would have been less.

Yip, I agree, real downer. Took them to after halftime to realise how down we were. 

 

Still a horrendous bit of goalkeeping and a shit pen. Such a Hearts day 

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3 minutes ago, No Idle Talk said:

I saw an interesting point made somewhere recently that really resonated with me. 

 

Assuming Robbie Neilson leaves at the end of the season, I think the board should sit down and do both some short term and long term thinking before appointing the next manager. The short term thinking is obviously just to get the best man(pipe doon Shelley Kerr fans) for the job and for the club to get back to where it should be. But the long term thinking part is every bit as important. What I mean by long term thinking is as follows.........

 

I think Hearts need to make a conscious decision about what kind of football team they want to have - long term. Does style matter? Does it not? Are they fine with having a defensive team as long as the club wins more games than it loses? Is it important to them to have an attacking team that entertains the fans?

 

Once they answer these questions they can begin to look for a manager that will fit that criteria. This will obviously be relevant in the short term but it needs to become equally as important in the long term. What I would like the board to do is use it as a template for future managerial appointments and I will explain why.

 

Imagine Hearts appoint Derek McInnes as the next manager. Whatever you think of his overall capabilities as a manager, he is a defensive manager. His teams are not good to watch and would never ever win a trophy if style points were being dished out. So he will be looking to bring a certain kind of player to the club to fit in with the mentality and style of play that he wants to develop. Which is as it should be. Now, let's fast forward to the day when McInnes leaves Hearts. If McInnes' successor is a manager who has a Daniel Stendel like outlook on how the game should be played, then that creates a massive problem for Hearts. The situation Hearts then find themselves in is they have a new manager who wants to play fast paced, attacking football, but they have a squad full of footballers who are more suited to being disciplined and hard to beat. This means one thing - a squad overhaul. That costs money and it often takes time. In the meantime we have a new manager who is stuck with players who he either can't use or can't get the best out of. This will probably lead to poor or inconsistent results on the field. And that is ultimately the thing we are trying to avoid. 

 

Football clubs have a tendency, if they have just sacked a manager, to go for the exact opposite kind of manager to the one they have just had. It is not joined up thinking. If your squad is full of attacking players then I think the club should bring in another attack minded manager. He may be able to get more out of those players than the previous manager could by motivating them differently etc. The point is, there should be a squad of players there that can naturally take on board the style of play the new manager tries to employ. It IS joined up thinking.

 

I hope this is something the Hearts board will give a lot of thought to before making their next managerial move. We simply cannot continue having squad overhaul after squad overhaul. It costs a fortune and it creates a lot of instability at the club. We've had way too much of that in recent years and it needs to stop. The club needs a long term vision of where it is, where it wants to go, and how it intends to get from point A to point B. 

Excellent post and makes a lot of sense.   I do worry that AB would argue that they did/do have long terms plans and thinking - but as we know, it's all fallen apart due to a lack of competency.    So in addition to what you are saying - I'm sure it's stating the obvious but the capability of the role holders (CEO/DOF etc) is absolutely critical,  and of course stability will depend the time that people fill these key positions for, otherwise,  DOF's come in with different philosophical views too. 

 

Another big factor is going to be what role does the club want to have for youth development and actually blooding younger players vs bringing in old legged journey man - I think we would have done better this season by holding on to more youths who tend to play with more freedom,  less fear and more passion.

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I bet Ann still favours Craig's opinion over Jim.

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9 minutes ago, No Idle Talk said:

I saw an interesting point made somewhere recently that really resonated with me. 

 

Assuming Robbie Neilson leaves at the end of the season, I think the board should sit down and do both some short term and long term thinking before appointing the next manager. The short term thinking is obviously just to get the best man(pipe doon Shelley Kerr fans) for the job and for the club to get back to where it should be. But the long term thinking part is every bit as important. What I mean by long term thinking is as follows.........

 

I think Hearts need to make a conscious decision about what kind of football team they want to have - long term. Does style matter? Does it not? Are they fine with having a defensive team as long as the club wins more games than it loses? Is it important to them to have an attacking team that entertains the fans?

 

Once they answer these questions they can begin to look for a manager that will fit that criteria. This will obviously be relevant in the short term but it needs to become equally as important in the long term. What I would like the board to do is use it as a template for future managerial appointments and I will explain why.

 

Imagine Hearts appoint Derek McInnes as the next manager. Whatever you think of his overall capabilities as a manager, he is a defensive manager. His teams are not good to watch and would never ever win a trophy if style points were being dished out. So he will be looking to bring a certain kind of player to the club to fit in with the mentality and style of play that he wants to develop. Which is as it should be. Now, let's fast forward to the day when McInnes leaves Hearts. If McInnes' successor is a manager who has a Daniel Stendel like outlook on how the game should be played, then that creates a massive problem for Hearts. The situation Hearts then find themselves in is they have a new manager who wants to play fast paced, attacking football, but they have a squad full of footballers who are more suited to being disciplined and hard to beat. This means one thing - a squad overhaul. That costs money and it often takes time. In the meantime we have a new manager who is stuck with players who he either can't use or can't get the best out of. This will probably lead to poor or inconsistent results on the field. And that is ultimately the thing we are trying to avoid. 

 

Football clubs have a tendency, if they have just sacked a manager, to go for the exact opposite kind of manager to the one they have just had. It is not joined up thinking. If your squad is full of attacking players then I think the club should bring in another attack minded manager. He may be able to get more out of those players than the previous manager could by motivating them differently etc. The point is, there should be a squad of players there that can naturally take on board the style of play the new manager tries to employ. It IS joined up thinking.

 

I hope this is something the Hearts board will give a lot of thought to before making their next managerial move. We simply cannot continue having squad overhaul after squad overhaul. It costs a fortune and it creates a lot of instability at the club. We've had way too much of that in recent years and it needs to stop. The club needs a long term vision of where it is, where it wants to go, and how it intends to get from point A to point B. 

Yes yes yes yes you fecking get it 😁😁😁😁

 

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Sir Gio
4 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

I've read it, don't worry about that.

You've got a problem with McInnes : I think we get it.  

Oh the irony. That not allowed,  what if I change to posting about Neilson endlessly for months like yourself  :lol:

That suit you better? 

 

is Neilson eye bleeding? Then why on earth would you replace with Mcinnes if that's one of your gripes 

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GinRummy
3 minutes ago, Rick Sanchez said:

I bet Ann still favours Craig's opinion over Jim.

I do not doubt for a single second they are still in touch. Nothing anyone could say would make me think any different. 

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Bongo 1874
2 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Oh the irony. That not allowed,  what if I change to posting about Neilson endlessly for months like yourself  :lol:

That suit you better? 

 

is Neilson eye bleeding? Then why on earth would you replace with Mcinnes if that's one of your gripes 

This i don't agree with you on much but Mcinnes or Neil in my opinion don't offer anymore than what Robbie does, what i will agree with they wouldn't get beat of shite like brora or alloa. 

 

But as far as style of play etc nah. 

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14 minutes ago, No Idle Talk said:

I saw an interesting point made somewhere recently that really resonated with me. 

 

Assuming Robbie Neilson leaves at the end of the season, I think the board should sit down and do both some short term and long term thinking before appointing the next manager. The short term thinking is obviously just to get the best man(pipe doon Shelley Kerr fans) for the job and for the club to get back to where it should be. But the long term thinking part is every bit as important. What I mean by long term thinking is as follows.........

 

I think Hearts need to make a conscious decision about what kind of football team they want to have - long term. Does style matter? Does it not? Are they fine with having a defensive team as long as the club wins more games than it loses? Is it important to them to have an attacking team that entertains the fans?

 

Once they answer these questions they can begin to look for a manager that will fit that criteria. This will obviously be relevant in the short term but it needs to become equally as important in the long term. What I would like the board to do is use it as a template for future managerial appointments and I will explain why.

 

Imagine Hearts appoint Derek McInnes as the next manager. Whatever you think of his overall capabilities as a manager, he is a defensive manager. His teams are not good to watch and would never ever win a trophy if style points were being dished out. So he will be looking to bring a certain kind of player to the club to fit in with the mentality and style of play that he wants to develop. Which is as it should be. Now, let's fast forward to the day when McInnes leaves Hearts. If McInnes' successor is a manager who has a Daniel Stendel like outlook on how the game should be played, then that creates a massive problem for Hearts. The situation Hearts then find themselves in is they have a new manager who wants to play fast paced, attacking football, but they have a squad full of footballers who are more suited to being disciplined and hard to beat. This means one thing - a squad overhaul. That costs money and it often takes time. In the meantime we have a new manager who is stuck with players who he either can't use or can't get the best out of. This will probably lead to poor or inconsistent results on the field. And that is ultimately the thing we are trying to avoid. 

 

Football clubs have a tendency, if they have just sacked a manager, to go for the exact opposite kind of manager to the one they have just had. It is not joined up thinking. If your squad is full of attacking players then I think the club should bring in another attack minded manager. He may be able to get more out of those players than the previous manager could by motivating them differently etc. The point is, there should be a squad of players there that can naturally take on board the style of play the new manager tries to employ. It IS joined up thinking.

 

I hope this is something the Hearts board will give a lot of thought to before making their next managerial move. We simply cannot continue having squad overhaul after squad overhaul. It costs a fortune and it creates a lot of instability at the club. We've had way too much of that in recent years and it needs to stop. The club needs a long term vision of where it is, where it wants to go, and how it intends to get from point A to point B. 

My biggest problem with Budge. 

 

The length of time to appoint Stendel with a squad unsuitable for his style. 

 

And playing twice a week with no opportunity to train.

 

I think you are absolutely correct and the club do need to commit to a style, I think we all know now results are not enough. 

 

Its not enough to get by, there's got to be a passion and intensity too.

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12 minutes ago, Agentjambo said:

Why is that relevant? Not a clue to be honest.

Maybe a wee job coming up for the guy that's advising Ann watch this space 😉

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4 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

I do not doubt for a single second they are still in touch. Nothing anyone could say would make me think any different. 

 

I'm with you on that!

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2 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

My biggest problem with Budge. 

 

The length of time to appoint Stendel with a squad unsuitable for his style. 

 

And playing twice a week with no opportunity to train.

 

I think you are absolutely correct and the club do need to commit to a style, I think we all know now results are not enough. 

 

Its not enough to get by, there's got to be a passion and intensity too.

You could hardly pick a worse set of circumstances for someone like Stendel. 

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3 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

This i don't agree with you on much but Mcinnes or Neil in my opinion don't offer anymore than what Robbie does, what i will agree with they wouldn't get beat of shite like brora or alloa. 

 

But as far as style of play etc nah. 

We don't disagree much Bongo. I often play devil's advocate for balance but I reckon I'm just as pissed as anyone else. 

 

Its been awful for years, higher pain threshold than some I think  :)

 

I was happy with Neilson the first time but was hardly delighted to see him again. I believe in moving forward not back 

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1 minute ago, GinRummy said:

You could hardly pick a worse set of circumstances for someone like Stendel. 

Unfair to judge him either way, but don't think he helped himself until it was too late, but he was getting there. Way too expensive for Championship and Covid19 alas

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Just now, Sir Gio said:

Unfair to judge him either way, but don't think he helped himself until it was too late, but he was getting there. Way too expensive for Championship and Covid19 alas

He made some shocking mistakes. It’s always going to be a case of what might have been, for me at least. 

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The core of our squad needs to come from our academy. Every successful team we have had in recent years has had home grown players in it. From Gary Naysmith to Craig Gordon. From Ryan McGowan to Paul Ritchie. In 98 JJ lost Neil Pointon and able to put Naysmith in, Pointon playing a massive part in his development. 

 

I get the Covid angle but even before that our academy had not been producing as it should or is it we are not giving enough young lads the chance to step in. If there is to be a managerial change I know its been said but John Murray and Roger Arnott for me need to fall on the sword too.

 

For my money Robbie isn't the solution and I'm not sure he is willing to put young lads in as he once was. As previous posters have said we need to decide on a footballing strategy moving forward and stick to it. Levein had that then chucked it when he became first team coach again.

 

This isn't a short term fix. But I don't believe Robbie is the long term solution either.  I don't offer another candidate...Alex Neill maybe but as I said for me if Robbie goes bigger changes top down need to follow. For Mr its a house of cards and more need to fall for things to improve longer term.

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21 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

So, as far as you know, it’s by no means certain that RN is going?

As of Sunday evening no decision had been  made, I do believe majority want him gone but the one that matters doesn’t seem to. Any decision likely to be once the title is done due to the staff being due promotion bonuses etc 

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15 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

This i don't agree with you on much but Mcinnes or Neil in my opinion don't offer anymore than what Robbie does, what i will agree with they wouldn't get beat of shite like brora or alloa. 

 

But as far as style of play etc nah. 

I’m equally unsure if McInnes or Neil would be the answer. There’s a risk of falling into a “anyone but Neilson” trap. The next appointment has to work well.

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31 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

Yeah but how long is his contract?. 

Could be wrong but was it not 6 months contract he was given with a permanent appointment to be named in the future. It’s been more than 6 months so I’d guess he was appointed permanently or he could not longer be working for the club now his 6 months have been and gone. 

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