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25 minutes ago, No Idle Talk said:

I saw an interesting point made somewhere recently that really resonated with me. 

 

Assuming Robbie Neilson leaves at the end of the season, I think the board should sit down and do both some short term and long term thinking before appointing the next manager. The short term thinking is obviously just to get the best man(pipe doon Shelley Kerr fans) for the job and for the club to get back to where it should be. But the long term thinking part is every bit as important. What I mean by long term thinking is as follows.........

 

I think Hearts need to make a conscious decision about what kind of football team they want to have - long term. Does style matter? Does it not? Are they fine with having a defensive team as long as the club wins more games than it loses? Is it important to them to have an attacking team that entertains the fans?

 

Once they answer these questions they can begin to look for a manager that will fit that criteria. This will obviously be relevant in the short term but it needs to become equally as important in the long term. What I would like the board to do is use it as a template for future managerial appointments and I will explain why.

 

Imagine Hearts appoint Derek McInnes as the next manager. Whatever you think of his overall capabilities as a manager, he is a defensive manager. His teams are not good to watch and would never ever win a trophy if style points were being dished out. So he will be looking to bring a certain kind of player to the club to fit in with the mentality and style of play that he wants to develop. Which is as it should be. Now, let's fast forward to the day when McInnes leaves Hearts. If McInnes' successor is a manager who has a Daniel Stendel like outlook on how the game should be played, then that creates a massive problem for Hearts. The situation Hearts then find themselves in is they have a new manager who wants to play fast paced, attacking football, but they have a squad full of footballers who are more suited to being disciplined and hard to beat. This means one thing - a squad overhaul. That costs money and it often takes time. In the meantime we have a new manager who is stuck with players who he either can't use or can't get the best out of. This will probably lead to poor or inconsistent results on the field. And that is ultimately the thing we are trying to avoid. 

 

Football clubs have a tendency, if they have just sacked a manager, to go for the exact opposite kind of manager to the one they have just had. It is not joined up thinking. If your squad is full of attacking players then I think the club should bring in another attack minded manager. He may be able to get more out of those players than the previous manager could by motivating them differently etc. The point is, there should be a squad of players there that can naturally take on board the style of play the new manager tries to employ. It IS joined up thinking.

 

I hope this is something the Hearts board will give a lot of thought to before making their next managerial move. We simply cannot continue having squad overhaul after squad overhaul. It costs a fortune and it creates a lot of instability at the club. We've had way too much of that in recent years and it needs to stop. The club needs a long term vision of where it is, where it wants to go, and how it intends to get from point A to point B. 

This kind of strategic thinking should already be in place given that the transfer of shares is due to take place in the Summer.

 

This Board will know that the first fan majority shareholding AGM after the transfer will be a tetchy one given how this season has panned out, and frankly I'm less interested in the RN input to that than I am to Savage's input. The scenario you describe should fall under his stewardship, and this week seems to start of that process.

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Smithee
5 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

He made some shocking mistakes. It’s always going to be a case of what might have been, for me at least. 

This. I back every hearts manager and I'm an optimistic type of guy so I was sure we'd click at some point. But when you look back at it none of his signings were a success (unless we're counting Boyce) and the mistakes stack up, picking the worst keeper we've ever had again and again, battering on with transforming a playing philosophy when the club were at the bottom of the league.

 

My overall picture of the guy is that he's pretty decent in a lot of areas but his judgement is very, very questionable.

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3 minutes ago, Pilmuir said:

I’m equally unsure if McInnes or Neil would be the answer. There’s a risk of falling into a “anyone but Neilson” trap. The next appointment has to work well.

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Sir Gio
11 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

He made some shocking mistakes. It’s always going to be a case of what might have been, for me at least. 

Mcdiarmid Park, that game was nuts. Total control to total disarray then pressure on again. 

 

Hamilton at home will stick in my mind for a long time to come, yet that final week bar the St Mirren game, being better than Rangers Hibs and Motherwell, hope was there.

 

I would welcome a similar appointment but in a close season and at a time when there were contracts closing. Poster had it bang on earlier we do not get the squad matched to the coach.

 

That's hardly new, Levein bemoaned what was left by JJ when he took over first time 

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What too many are overlooking is the budget available......not only for the manager and his staff but for the squad too.

 

The ideal manager would be 1995’s Jim Jefferies.......everything he had to do then is exactly what we need to do again.

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There are negatives to any managerial appointment. And as sure as night follows day, there’ll be Hearts fans who will focus on those negatives. But the rest of us will be pragmatic and weigh up the pros and cons.

 

For me the critical thing is someone with a track record of identifying and signing players who have been able to compete and cut the mustard in the SPL. Someone who knows the league and up to date knowledge of the sphere of players who are in the Hearts price bracket. Because that’s the task in hand isn’t it. It’s signings not coaching. Nobody’s coaching Halkett to national caps. We need a new Center half. That’s the reality. Then we will need coaching as well but signings absolutely are the priority in the immediate term.  There’s going to be about 5 real key big money signings and 5 good squaddies coming in. Conservatively. 
 

What we definitely don’t need is another Cathro type wonder coach to come in and sign a bunch of Tziolis and Struna and Avlonitis type players that on paper sound great with this absolute wonder philosophy but then it turns out the homework was not done on the players or the league. 

 

We need bulletproof dependable grafters who will put Hearts in the hunt for 3rd in short order. 
 

As long as we are in there competing with Hibs and Aberdeen the fans will be delighted whatever the football looks like. Just get this football club in the fight. It’s all about results and league position in the immediate term. 

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Please, 🙏, Allah, Buddha, Shiva, Jesus, other sky fairies... 

 

Don't employ a Scottish manager. Just don't do it. They are feckin kack. 

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19 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

What too many are overlooking is the budget available......not only for the manager and his staff but for the squad too.

 

The ideal manager would be 1995’s Jim Jefferies.......everything he had to do then is exactly what we need to do again.

JJ had a ton of cash to spend.

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13 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said:

There are negatives to any managerial appointment. And as sure as night follows day, there’ll be Hearts fans who will focus on those negatives. But the rest of us will be pragmatic and weigh up the pros and cons.

 

For me the critical thing is someone with a track record of identifying and signing players who have been able to compete and cut the mustard in the SPL. Someone who knows the league and up to date knowledge of the sphere of players who are in the Hearts price bracket. Because that’s the task in hand isn’t it. It’s signings not coaching. Nobody’s coaching Halkett to national caps. We need a new Center half. That’s the reality. Then we will need coaching as well but signings absolutely are the priority in the immediate term.  There’s going to be about 5 real key big money signings and 5 good squaddies coming in. Conservatively. 
 

What we definitely don’t need is another Cathro type wonder coach to come in and sign a bunch of Tziolis and Struna and Avlonitis type players that on paper sound great with this absolute wonder philosophy but then it turns out the homework was not done on the players or the league. 

 

We need bulletproof dependable grafters who will put Hearts in the hunt for 3rd in short order. 
 

As long as we are in there competing with Hibs and Aberdeen the fans will be delighted whatever the football looks like. Just get this football club in the fight. It’s all about results and league position in the immediate term. 

Last paragraph I wish that was the case. I just don't believe it is. 

 

I think if you play good football you will win games anyhow. If you choose to play a neutral brand then you become predictable and for a club of our standing that has brought pressure we have crumbled under. 

 

Its tough this gig, very tough 

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2 hours ago, Sir Gio said:

1 goal in 9 games, didn't change the style at all. 

 

Unfortunately you are talking to someone who has seen just about as much of Aberdeen as I have Hearts owing to my family. 

 

How much of Aberdeen have you watched honestly?

 

And his football is absolutely Levein.

 

Are you just ignoring the wages and structure parts then? You would bin Savage to get Mcinnes?


If you are dense enough to look at football as a defensive/attacking binary then I can’t help you there. 
 

I’ve watched enough Aberdeen games and highlights over his tenure to know what I’m talking about. It’s not a game of who’s watched more Aberdeen. 
 

Ideally McInnes would work under Savage. If he’s not willing to do that then its a much more difficult decision, and probably a non-starter.

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30 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Mcdiarmid Park, that game was nuts. Total control to total disarray then pressure on again. 

 

Hamilton at home will stick in my mind for a long time to come, yet that final week bar the St Mirren game, being better than Rangers Hibs and Motherwell, hope was there.

 

I would welcome a similar appointment but in a close season and at a time when there were contracts closing. Poster had it bang on earlier we do not get the squad matched to the coach.

 

That's hardly new, Levein bemoaned what was left by JJ when he took over first time 

All very fair. 👍

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soonbe110
4 hours ago, Batistuta87 said:

Who are we to say whether its true or false? Nobody knows for sure. 

 

Honestly couldn't care less if he's right or wrong - he's obviously heard something and is bringing it to the forum for discussion. Is that not what this thing is set up for??

 

Its out of order. Schoolboy stuff, and will do nothing other than discourage people to share rumours they've heard themselves.

 

I've heard the same rumour as it goes. RN out at the end of the season, and I was given the name of the man who is apparently taking over. I'm not disclosing any other detail though because 1) The person who told me could get in trouble and 2) I don't know how true it is. But I did hear it. 

 

 

 

 

So that’s Shelley Kerr off the list of potentials? 

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GinRummy
9 minutes ago, Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine said:


If you are dense enough to look at football as a defensive/attacking binary then I can’t help you there. 
 

I’ve watched enough Aberdeen games and highlights over his tenure to know what I’m talking about. It’s not a game of who’s watched more Aberdeen. 
 

Ideally McInnes would work under Savage. If he’s not willing to do that then its a much more difficult decision, and probably a non-starter.

McInnes has got progressively more defensive at Aberdeen. As have 2 out of our last three managers over the years. Why would he be asked to work under Savage. 

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46 minutes ago, Smithee said:

This. I back every hearts manager and I'm an optimistic type of guy so I was sure we'd click at some point. But when you look back at it none of his signings were a success (unless we're counting Boyce) and the mistakes stack up, picking the worst keeper we've ever had again and again, battering on with transforming a playing philosophy when the club were at the bottom of the league.

 

My overall picture of the guy is that he's pretty decent in a lot of areas but his judgement is very, very questionable.

I think the club carries some of the can as well. The whole episode, let’s face it, was an utter shambles. No assistants, obvious resistance from senior players, letting him choose the players he wanted in the window for the first time in his career. All that aside, he was a terrible fit for that moment in time.  Hindsight though eh. 

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Jambomb
4 hours ago, JamboAl said:

That's all very well with Fergie's class of 92 but which youngsters would you say are ready?

Having asked that, I could counter my own argument by saying they could hardly do worse than the shite we have seen but that might only make them less bad.  Hardly a sound basis on which to proceed!

I was commenting on a statement that a team of experienced players would do and youth didn’t matter, in my experience Hearts teams are always better when we have a mix of good young players with experienced pros.

 

so in my opinion we should be looking at that mix going forward... maybe if we had gave youth a proper chance over the last few years we’d not be were we are now...

Even this season with our limited quality youth players, their enthusiasm and energy would only have improved this dismal lot.

 

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1 hour ago, Agentjambo said:

Jim thinks Robbie should go.

If JJ is advising Budge that Neilson should go and she is ignoring his advice why hasn’t he walked?  Cant be bigger issues to advise on than who is the manager. 

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Sir Gio
11 minutes ago, Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine said:


If you are dense enough to look at football as a defensive/attacking binary then I can’t help you there. 
 

I’ve watched enough Aberdeen games and highlights over his tenure to know what I’m talking about. It’s not a game of who’s watched more Aberdeen. 
 

Ideally McInnes would work under Savage. If he’s not willing to do that then its a much more difficult decision, and probably a non-starter.

That's actually a rather dense and disrespectful response.

 

Its not a game of whose watched more but it stands to reason if you watch them most weeks as I have been subjected to, you will understand more. Hardly an effort to denegrate another opinion. 

 

I also work play golf live with their fans. I don't know anyone happy, just like our own manager variety of levels but its unanimous their football is shite and he has been past the peak for some time. 

 

What games have you watched Aberdeen in this season? Highlights packages are hardly giving you a fair opportunity to judge in truth. 

 

Bit fed up now, I'll close by suggesting if we don't like Neilson we are appointing more of the same.  If you want him fine rather take someone on an upward curve myself. Best in sport to you

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1 hour ago, Sir Gio said:

Oh the irony. That not allowed,  what if I change to posting about Neilson endlessly for months like yourself  :lol:

That suit you better? 

 

is Neilson eye bleeding? Then why on earth would you replace with Mcinnes if that's one of your gripes 


And McInnes’ brand of eye bleeding is a shit load more expensive to fund than Neilsons and will yield the exact same number of trophies.

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1 hour ago, Bongo 1874 said:

As do i but I've heard there is someone advising budge in the background, how long is Jim's contract?. 

 

 


Step forward Craig Levein....

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1 minute ago, Swanny17 said:


Step forward Craig Levein....


He did say last night in between Elvis banging his knob off the table and telling us to pledge for life and StFU that he thought his pal Robbie was in trouble.

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32 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Last paragraph I wish that was the case. I just don't believe it is. 

 

I think if you play good football you will win games anyhow. If you choose to play a neutral brand then you become predictable and for a club of our standing that has brought pressure we have crumbled under. 

 

Its tough this gig, very tough 


Extremely tough. You talk about “good” football but don’t elaborate. What, do you want a team that can pass the ball? Most teams pass the ball. You want a team that scores goals? Yes that’s the aim of the game. That’s how you win the game. So what exactly is “good” football it’s putting the ball in the back of the net that’s what it is. 
 

So we’re talking about one and the same thing here. The style of football in isolation is not the reason Robbie Neilson is staring down the barrel. It’s results. Wins. He’s failed to win on 8 occasions against part time clubs, and been beat and knocked out both cups by ****ing tradesmen.

 

I don’t care what the means is I’m just not having this Hibs 3rd place shite. Get Hearts into that fight next season by hook or by crook. That’s what this appointment is about because see at this moment in time? We are miles off. Even JJ in 2011 when we were all

at sea, what did he do? He got Kevin Kyle in, got Blackie and Barr scrapping in midfield. Stevo, Elliot, Temps feeding off the knockdowns and he got the artillery pumping out the shells. With a few wee sparks in there from freedom given to the likes of temps, Shotgun and driver and Novi . We battered teams into submission. More than happy with that next season. Forget big Dunc as manager get him in up front for all I care 

 

Long term it will need to evolve but see next season? Get that back 4 sorted out, get a midfield Scrapping and get balls in the box, get Hearts in that fight and get Hibs to **** that’s all I could give a **** about. Not some tippy tappy wonderball 
 

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2 minutes ago, Rudy T said:


And McInnes’ brand of eye bleeding is a shit load more expensive to fund than Neilsons and will yield the exact same number of trophies.

He could have made Aberdeen a fortune. 

 

They had a Q and A with Cormack last week, sale of Cosgrove came up and Dave was not happy. 

 

Why did we sell Cosgrove. 

 

Answer,  he was hardly banging them in and we should've sold him earlier when he was.

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13 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

If JJ is advising Budge that Neilson should go and she is ignoring his advice why hasn’t he walked?  Cant be bigger issues to advise on than who is the manager. 

I’ve been told by a couple of source that are close to club that they expect Ann is giving him till season end then will recruit someone else.

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3 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said:


Extremely tough. You talk about “good” football but don’t elaborate. What, do you want a team that can pass the ball? Most teams pass the ball. You want a team that scores goals? Yes that’s the aim of the game. That’s how you win the game. So what exactly is “good” football it’s putting the ball in the back of the net that’s what it is. 
 

So we’re talking about one and the same thing here. The style of football in isolation is not the reason Robbie Neilson is staring down the barrel. It’s results. Wins. He’s failed to win on 8 occasions against part time clubs, and been beat and knocked out both cups by ****ing tradesmen.

 

I don’t care what the means is I’m just not having this Hibs 3rd place shite. Get Hearts into that fight next season by hook or by crook. That’s what this appointment is about because see at this moment in time? We are miles off. Even JJ in 2011 when we were all

at sea, what did he do? He got Kevin Kyle in, got Blackie and Barr scrapping in midfield. Stevo, Elliot, Temps feeding off the knockdowns and he got the artillery pumping out the shells. With a few wee sparks in there from freedom given to the likes of temps, Shotgun and driver and Novi . We battered teams into submission. More than happy with that next season. Forget big Dunc as manager get him in up front for all I care 

 

Long term it will need to evolve but see next season? Get that back 4 sorted out, get a midfield Scrapping and get balls in the box, get Hearts in that fight and get Hibs to **** that’s all I could give a **** about. Not some tippy tappy wonderball 
 

Intensity would be all I would ask for in the main, it takes a good team to beat 11 triers. 

 

I don't like tippy tappy either. 

 

You mentioned JJ but that went very wrong too because he became very predictable. 

 

Bit of organisation and leadership, everyone knows their job, 2 players for every position don't be afraid to use youngsters but train everyone to know each other's position. 

 

Buy in from players for blood sweat and tears.

 

Hard work, and more hard work. You sign for us, you do more than other clubs to achieve more. 

 

We have the facilities and appear to be wasting them.

 

Are we creating the correct environment though for the players. 

 

Things that don't cost a lot of money can be added to help them relax between training sessions, not unlike most of Scottish football, i doubt we train enough to improve. 

 

Riccarton should be a place where we reach excellence not just a very nice facility we are fortunate to have the use of.

 

To get the intensity I am after fitness levels need to be through the roof. I don't think any team in Scotland look particularly fit, I would love us to have that advantage 

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40 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

So that’s Shelley Kerr off the list of potentials? 

:rofl:

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GinRummy
20 minutes ago, Agentjambo said:

I’ve been told by a couple of source that are close to club that they expect Ann is giving him till season end then will recruit someone else

 

 

did they say which season?

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9 hours ago, Sherbet said:

Hi team won 5-1 at the weekend.

Omen?

Good score! 

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11 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

 

 

did they say which season?

This one 👍

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soonbe110
35 minutes ago, Agentjambo said:

I’ve been told by a couple of source that are close to club that they expect Ann is giving him till season end then will recruit someone else.

JJ or Neilson 

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to avoid comp could Robbie step down to a coaching role

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soonbe110
1 minute ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

to avoid comp could Robbie step down to a coaching role

Why would he agree to that? 

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GinRummy
2 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

to avoid comp could Robbie step down to a coaching role

No. 

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1 minute ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

to avoid comp could Robbie step down to a coaching role


Pay the compensation.......we need to gut the place.

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1 hour ago, Jambomb said:

I was commenting on a statement that a team of experienced players would do and youth didn’t matter, in my experience Hearts teams are always better when we have a mix of good young players with experienced pros.

 

so in my opinion we should be looking at that mix going forward... maybe if we had gave youth a proper chance over the last few years we’d not be were we are now...

Even this season with our limited quality youth players, their enthusiasm and energy would only have improved this dismal lot.

 

Which ones?

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3 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

to avoid comp could Robbie step down to a coaching role


It’s worth the cost of getting him tae ****. A bit like Levein, Neilson seems to infect everyone with his lack of talent. 

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1 hour ago, A_A wehatethehibs said:

There are negatives to any managerial appointment. And as sure as night follows day, there’ll be Hearts fans who will focus on those negatives. But the rest of us will be pragmatic and weigh up the pros and cons.

 

For me the critical thing is someone with a track record of identifying and signing players who have been able to compete and cut the mustard in the SPL. Someone who knows the league and up to date knowledge of the sphere of players who are in the Hearts price bracket. Because that’s the task in hand isn’t it. It’s signings not coaching. Nobody’s coaching Halkett to national caps. We need a new Center half. That’s the reality. Then we will need coaching as well but signings absolutely are the priority in the immediate term.  There’s going to be about 5 real key big money signings and 5 good squaddies coming in. Conservatively. 
 

What we definitely don’t need is another Cathro type wonder coach to come in and sign a bunch of Tziolis and Struna and Avlonitis type players that on paper sound great with this absolute wonder philosophy but then it turns out the homework was not done on the players or the league. 

 

We need bulletproof dependable grafters who will put Hearts in the hunt for 3rd in short order. 
 

As long as we are in there competing with Hibs and Aberdeen the fans will be delighted whatever the football looks like. Just get this football club in the fight. It’s all about results and league position in the immediate term. 

 

 do you know who, in every way,  meets that criteria? Bob Nielson! 

 

I understand folk wanting him gone, but to dismiss the fact he put together a good squad for the top league, and quickly got us up where we want to be, is being willfully ignorant.

 

 

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If he's lost the dressing room he needs to go completely.

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2 minutes ago, Dia Liom said:

 

 do you know who, in every way,  meets that criteria? Bob Nielson! 

 

I understand folk wanting him gone, but to dismiss the fact he put together a good squad for the top league, and quickly got us up where we want to be, is being willfully ignorant.

 

 


I think the reality is Levein put the squad together and left Neilson to run them about Riccarton.

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18 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Intensity would be all I would ask for in the main, it takes a good team to beat 11 triers. 

 

I don't like tippy tappy either. 

 

You mentioned JJ but that went very wrong too because he became very predictable. 

 

Bit of organisation and leadership, everyone knows their job, 2 players for every position don't be afraid to use youngsters but train everyone to know each other's position. 

 

Buy in from players for blood sweat and tears.

 

Hard work, and more hard work. You sign for us, you do more than other clubs to achieve more. 

 

We have the facilities and appear to be wasting them.

 

Are we creating the correct environment though for the players. 

 

Things that don't cost a lot of money can be added to help them relax between training sessions, not unlike most of Scottish football, i doubt we train enough to improve. 

 

Riccarton should be a place where we reach excellence not just a very nice facility we are fortunate to have the use of.

 

To get the intensity I am after fitness levels need to be through the roof. I don't think any team in Scotland look particularly fit, I would love us to have that advantage 


 It ran out of steam definitely, but we still finished 3rd so if that’s “going wrong” then yes i will take that next season happily. Just get us in the fight. If anything it only really went wrong when Kyle got injured. And not only that but Jim’s team that season laid the foundation for Paulo Sergio to come in and paint the masterpiece at Hampden. That was nearly entirely Jim’s team with only 1 or 2 tweaks. It had that strong Hearts castle rock foundation which is where we need to get to next season, then there’s future seasons to build things out and improve. But next season, we are up against it. 
 

Some would say a blank canvas, others would say it’s a black hole. It needs an organiser to come in and get the foundations and discipline in place whilst getting us in an immediate scrap for the points tally that is required. The back 4 is a shambles, midfield weak and slow, wingers lacking desire and strikers disinterested and doing the minimum. So it’s an organiser, galvaniser, wheeler dealer to come in for me and get a few grafter Stevos and Blackie types in, with some better quality like your Andy Webster’s and Rudi Skacels sprinkled in there as well. We need someone with an eye for the type of player who will fit in the SPL and do their jobs. That’s the key. Once that’s in place the debate will change. 
 

And by the way, all of the above doesn’t rule out someone that wants to come and play an Arsenal style quick passing game or whatever. I’d dream of seeing that type of football. But being realistic about where we are right now? The task is to get ourselves to a minimum standard of competitiveness first Port of call IMO 

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33 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Intensity would be all I would ask for in the main, it takes a good team to beat 11 triers. 

 

I don't like tippy tappy either. 

 

You mentioned JJ but that went very wrong too because he became very predictable. 

 

Bit of organisation and leadership, everyone knows their job, 2 players for every position don't be afraid to use youngsters but train everyone to know each other's position. 

 

Buy in from players for blood sweat and tears.

 

Hard work, and more hard work. You sign for us, you do more than other clubs to achieve more. 

 

We have the facilities and appear to be wasting them.

 

Are we creating the correct environment though for the players. 

 

Things that don't cost a lot of money can be added to help them relax between training sessions, not unlike most of Scottish football, i doubt we train enough to improve. 

 

Riccarton should be a place where we reach excellence not just a very nice facility we are fortunate to have the use of.

 

To get the intensity I am after fitness levels need to be through the roof. I don't think any team in Scotland look particularly fit, I would love us to have that advantage 

JJ got sacked 2 games into 11-12 season after a 1-0 defeat to Utd but had drawn away at Rangers the week before 8n the opening game.   I don’t think we can say it went very wrong. This was the Vlad years remember 😁

 

However, I can recall the murmurs of discontent carrying on from the previous seasons last 10 or so games and it can show how fans can affect how a club reacts.  Seems ridiculous now though when you compare to what’s happening at the moment. 
 

Season 10-11 in the league was superb and we were some silly amount of points ahead in 3rd with still 10 to 12 games to go. (Possibly 22 points?) We slowly downed tools drawing 5 in a row then losing the last 3 after our last win at home v St Mirren.  Still to this day I thought it was harsh he got his books. 

 

 

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Surely any decent journalist will ask Robbie/Rob/Rab/Boab/Boaby/Bob how he feels about each variation on his name and then we'll really find out if hendolad is at it. C'mon media, do your job. 

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8 minutes ago, Dia Liom said:

 

 do you know who, in every way,  meets that criteria? Bob Nielson! 

 

I understand folk wanting him gone, but to dismiss the fact he put together a good squad for the top league, and quickly got us up where we want to be, is being willfully ignorant.

 

 


Seems you’ve not realised the situation yet The ba is burst for Neilson now, he’s a goner.

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6 hours ago, A_A wehatethehibs said:


So the time has come at last


Ranieri seen at Edinburgh airport 

I’d be well happy if we got Dilly Dilly Diddy Doddy !!

 

can you just check to make sure his dug’s no deid ?

 

👍🏻

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9 minutes ago, Debut 4 said:

JJ got sacked 2 games into 11-12 season after a 1-0 defeat to Utd but had drawn away at Rangers the week before 8n the opening game.   I don’t think we can say it went very wrong. This was the Vlad years remember 😁

 

However, I can recall the murmurs of discontent carrying on from the previous seasons last 10 or so games and it can show how fans can affect how a club reacts.  Seems ridiculous now though when you compare to what’s happening at the moment. 
 

Season 10-11 in the league was superb and we were some silly amount of points ahead in 3rd with still 10 to 12 games to go. (Possibly 22 points?) We slowly downed tools drawing 5 in a row then losing the last 3 after our last win at home v St Mirren.  Still to this day I thought it was harsh he got his books. 

 

 

Don't think we won a game in the last ten though. Was a great run from October to January though. 

 

Another example of how tough this job is. 

14 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said:


 It ran out of steam definitely, but we still finished 3rd so if that’s “going wrong” then yes i will take that next season happily. Just get us in the fight. If anything it only really went wrong when Kyle got injured. And not only that but Jim’s team that season laid the foundation for Paulo Sergio to come in and paint the masterpiece at Hampden. That was nearly entirely Jim’s team with only 1 or 2 tweaks. It had that strong Hearts castle rock foundation which is where we need to get to next season, then there’s future seasons to build things out and improve. But next season, we are up against it. 
 

Some would say a blank canvas, others would say it’s a black hole. It needs an organiser to come in and get the foundations and discipline in place whilst getting us in an immediate scrap for the points tally that is required. The back 4 is a shambles, midfield weak and slow, wingers lacking desire and strikers disinterested and doing the minimum. So it’s an organiser, galvaniser, wheeler dealer to come in for me and get a few grafter Stevos and Blackie types in, with some better quality like your Andy Webster’s and Rudi Skacels sprinkled in there as well. We need someone with an eye for the type of player who will fit in the SPL and do their jobs. That’s the key. Once that’s in place the debate will change. 
 

And by the way, all of the above doesn’t rule out someone that wants to come and play an Arsenal style quick passing game or whatever. I’d dream of seeing that type of football. But being realistic about where we are right now? The task is to get ourselves to a minimum standard of competitiveness first Port of call IMO 

Fans like myself have high pain threshold but plenty will not tolerate another grind but I absolutely hear you. 

 

How lucky we were to have Rudi Skacel and graft around him 

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1 hour ago, Rudy T said:


And McInnes’ brand of eye bleeding is a shit load more expensive to fund than Neilsons and will yield the exact same number of trophies.

How about points?

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2 minutes ago, jr ewing said:

How about points?

He’s got one trophy in 8 years. That’s better than us 1998, 2006, 2012. We’d need to have won one this year to average one every 8 years but Alloa and Brora had other ideas. 

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1 hour ago, A_A wehatethehibs said:


Extremely tough. You talk about “good” football but don’t elaborate. What, do you want a team that can pass the ball? Most teams pass the ball. You want a team that scores goals? Yes that’s the aim of the game. That’s how you win the game. So what exactly is “good” football it’s putting the ball in the back of the net that’s what it is. 
 

So we’re talking about one and the same thing here. The style of football in isolation is not the reason Robbie Neilson is staring down the barrel. It’s results. Wins. He’s failed to win on 8 occasions against part time clubs, and been beat and knocked out both cups by ****ing tradesmen.

 

I don’t care what the means is I’m just not having this Hibs 3rd place shite. Get Hearts into that fight next season by hook or by crook. That’s what this appointment is about because see at this moment in time? We are miles off. Even JJ in 2011 when we were all

at sea, what did he do? He got Kevin Kyle in, got Blackie and Barr scrapping in midfield. Stevo, Elliot, Temps feeding off the knockdowns and he got the artillery pumping out the shells. With a few wee sparks in there from freedom given to the likes of temps, Shotgun and driver and Novi . We battered teams into submission. More than happy with that next season. Forget big Dunc as manager get him in up front for all I care 

 

Long term it will need to evolve but see next season? Get that back 4 sorted out, get a midfield Scrapping and get balls in the box, get Hearts in that fight and get Hibs to **** that’s all I could give a **** about. Not some tippy tappy wonderball 
 


YES!

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1 minute ago, GinRummy said:

He’s got one trophy in 8 years. That’s better than us 1998, 2006, 2012. We’d need to have won one this year to average one every 8 years but Alloa and Brora had other ideas. 

Solid league position would be nice. 

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3 hours ago, Bongo 1874 said:

I'm told Robbie is 100% expecting to be in charge next season, and has been backed with Savage already looking to get pre contracts sorted. 

 

 

Wishful thinking on your part 😏

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1 minute ago, jr ewing said:

Solid league position would be nice. 

Not convinced McInness would be right. I obviously see the logic and there’s no arguing with the job he’s done at Aberdeen over the years. I just can’t shake the feeling that he’s another manager that has, over time, become more and more defensive in his approach. 

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