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3 hours ago, buzz said:

Don’t know about anyone else, but I certainly won’t.

Don't think they have internet in Fife yet anyway, so probably no stream available.

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Mikey1874
17 hours ago, neilnunb said:

Got a bad feeling Dunfermline away will be the game to clinch the title, which they'll love hoping Hearts fans will snap up their PPV. 😐🖕

 

 

Someone said Dunfermline game is postponed if we beat Brora as that's next round of Cup.

 

Dunfermline game v Dundee doesn't have a new date yet. We might play rearranged game after we've won league. 

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No matter how unlikely, there is still a minute mathematical possibility that any one of the three teams below us could still gain more points than us. Games are slipping away and after yesterday's debacle we are only putting ourselves under undue pressure, games like that we SHOULD be winning comfortably. The old saying never count your chickens has never been more apt.

 

Hearts, six games left possible 18 points.

Raith seven games left possible 21 points

Dunfy eight games left possible 24 points

Dundee seven games left possible 21 points.

 

Should we lose all our games we would stay on 46

Should Raith win all their games 51 points

Should Dunfy win all their games 54 points

Should Dundee win all their games 51 points

 

Now, no matter how unlikely any of this has of coming to pass you can never say never. Been in situations where the most unlikely outcome has happened and I am never willing to say this or that will happen as you never know. Check out St Midden for example.

Basically all I am saying is until the figures say otherwise it's foolish to assume ( assume, makes an ass out of u and me. ) we have won the league.

PPG doesn't come into it unless the pull the plug early which I can't see happening, unless things go really badly after this afternoon's OF encounter.

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38 minutes ago, Ex member of the SaS said:

No matter how unlikely, there is still a minute mathematical possibility that any one of the three teams below us could still gain more points than us. Games are slipping away and after yesterday's debacle we are only putting ourselves under undue pressure, games like that we SHOULD be winning comfortably. The old saying never count your chickens has never been more apt.

 

Hearts, six games left possible 18 points.

Raith seven games left possible 21 points

Dunfy eight games left possible 24 points

Dundee seven games left possible 21 points.

 

Should we lose all our games we would stay on 46

Should Raith win all their games 51 points

Should Dunfy win all their games 54 points

Should Dundee win all their games 51 points

 

Now, no matter how unlikely any of this has of coming to pass you can never say never. Been in situations where the most unlikely outcome has happened and I am never willing to say this or that will happen as you never know. Check out St Midden for example.

Basically all I am saying is until the figures say otherwise it's foolish to assume ( assume, makes an ass out of u and me. ) we have won the league.

PPG doesn't come into it unless the pull the plug early which I can't see happening, unless things go really badly after this afternoon's OF encounter.

Its not unlikely its impossible they play each other.  1 team would have to beat the other 2. Thus ruling them out. Plus those games in hand are against each other in the play offs. 1 team needs to do the improbable by winning all their games while as uninterested as we are wont loose every single game. There is nothing between the other clubs so the chances of one turning into Man City is beyond reprehension. No side will match our current points tally let alone better the ppg we have left. We wont lose every game. We could still come out of neutral get up to second gear and win. Arithmatically the worst we can finish is second. Its over not because we have won it but everyone else lost it because they are as shite as each other. 

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1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

Dunfermline v Hearts 3 April goes ahead. 

Hopefully seal our top league position then. 😩

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Footballfirst

Update after the latest debacle.

 

  P Pts Avail Max PPG Pts @ PPG
Hearts 22 46 15 61 2.09 56.45
Raith 21 33 18 51 1.57 42.43
Dunfermline 19 30 24 54 1.58 42.63
ICT 22 30 15 45 1.36 36.82
Dundee 20 30 21 51 1.50 40.50
QOTS 22 30 15 45 1.36 36.82
Ayr 22 26 15 41 1.18 31.91
Morton 22 25 15 40 1.14 30.68
Arbroath 22 22 15 37 1.00 27.00
Alloa 22 18 15 33 0.82 22.09
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Lone Striker

Judging from our last 3 games, it looks like we'll be limping over the line sometime in late April - at best.   Desperate stuff.

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On 31/01/2021 at 17:14, Restonbabe said:

I believe I've been doing some bad math. Looking for someone to help me... 

13 games left 

Next 9 as follows         points 32

February 

 5th   A to Ayr              35

12th A to QoS.             38

20th H to morton        41

26th A to ICT.             44

March

 6th home to dundee.  47  

13th home to Ayr          50

20th away to Arbroath 

27th home to QoS

April 

 3rd away to Dunfermline 

 

Providing we win the remainder of these fixtures and the following happens  do we win the league in Dunfermline? 

 

February 

 3rd Raith vs dunfermline (dunf win) 

13th dunfermline v Dundee(Dundee)

20th February. 3 fixtures 

March 

5th raith vs dunfermline (raith) 

 

If these fixtures pan out like that on 6th March at home vs Dundee we can go 14-20 points clear depending on results. 

 

This is where I am getting stuck..... 

 

If the others keep taking points off each other up until 6th march at our home game vs Dundee if we beat them can we win the league next week 13th march at home vs Ayr United on the TV?? 

 

Don’t be too sure we are going to win it, we are away to Dunfermline in two weeks 

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merrymac
6 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

You might have to consider renaming this thread 

Mods can we add "or not" to the title.😳

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SectionDJambo

The home game against Alloa should be enough. The others will keep taking points off each other. We certainly can’t be confident of getting points in any of the other games that are left.

We have been very lucky that the rest of the division has been so poor.

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scottg71

We'll lose all our games. Only saving grace will be others not taking advantage 

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1902hewat

We will not win this league

We will lose all renaming games

Raith will win league

we will get by Dunfermline in the playoffs 

said this before say it again 

 

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JamesM48
3 minutes ago, 1902hewat said:

We will not win this league

We will lose all renaming games

Raith will win league

we will get by Dunfermline in the playoffs 

said this before say it again 

 

so will we win the playoff ?

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merrymac
10 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said:

The home game against Alloa should be enough. The others will keep taking points off each other. We certainly can’t be confident of getting points in any of the other games that are left.

We have been very lucky that the rest of the division has been so poor.

If one of them goes on a winning run we could be in trouble.

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We need 3 wins from our last 5 games to be sure. The way we are going I can't see it, so we're depending on Dunfermline, Raith and Dundee dropping points to let us limp over the line. I know they've all been beating each other up till now but we could still throw this away. By my reckoning we are guaranteed to be in the playoffs but imo I can't see up getting up by that route.

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Footballfirst

Today's second update after the Dungdee v Pars game.

 

  P Pts Avail Max PPG Pts @ PPG
Hearts 22 46 15 61 2.09 56.45
Raith 21 33 18 51 1.57 42.43
Dundee 21 33 18 51 1.57 42.43
Dunfermline 20 30 21 51 1.50 40.50
ICT 22 30 15 45 1.36 36.82
QOTS 22 30 15 45 1.36 36.82
Ayr 22 26 15 41 1.18 31.91
Morton 22 25 15 40 1.14 30.68
Arbroath 22 22 15 37 1.00 27.00
Alloa 22 18 15 33 0.82 22.09
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BarneyBattles
4 hours ago, 1902hewat said:

We will not win this league

We will lose all renaming games

Raith will win league

we will get by Dunfermline in the playoffs 

said this before say it again 

 


You’re a hibs fan. Nothing as sad as registering on your main rivals message board and pretending to be one of them. 
 

Tragic behaviour. 

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BarneyBattles
4 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

so will we win the playoff ?


He’s hibs James. Check his posting history. 
 

All negative and even manages a few references to 1986😀

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4 hours ago, 1902hewat said:

We will not win this league

We will lose all renaming games

Raith will win league

we will get by Dunfermline in the playoffs 

said this before say it again 

 

Go home son, your wee/big sister is awaiting your return.

 

You're as Hibs as Stanton.

 

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1902hewat

My opinion - everyone is entitled - I’ve been a Hearts supporter for over 50 years and this is probably the poorest Hearts team I have seen since the 70’s. So had my fair share of heartache over the years and fear this team may give us more

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1902hewat
5 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said:


He’s hibs James. Check his posting history. 
 

All negative and even manages a few references to 1986😀

You probably weren’t born in 86 so never saw a great hearts side fail at the last hurdle. Don’t want it happening again!

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Just now, 1902hewat said:

My opinion - everyone is entitled - I’ve been a Hearts supporter for over 50 years and this is probably the poorest Hearts team I have seen since the 70’s. So had my fair share of heartache over the years and fear this team may give us more

Why does every Hibs interloper have a (at least) 50 year connection with Hearts?  🤷🏿‍♂️

 

Asking on behalf of some Hearts fans btw.  👍

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Just now, 1902hewat said:

You probably weren’t born in 86 so never saw a great hearts side fail at the last hurdle. Don’t want it happening again!

That spade, the one you’re digging with, is way too short.

 

:fth: 

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JamesM48
11 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said:


He’s hibs James. Check his posting history. 
 

All negative and even manages a few references to 1986😀

If true very tragic . 

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3 minutes ago, 1902hewat said:

You probably weren’t born in 86 so never saw a great hearts side fail at the last hurdle. Don’t want it happening again!


I was at most games during that fantastic season. 
 

Hearts were absolutely brilliant and every Hearts supporter will be eternally grateful to that squad for giving us one of the best seasons of our lives. 

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7 minutes ago, Morgan said:

Why does every Hibs interloper have a (at least) 50 year connection with Hearts?  🤷🏿‍♂️

 

Asking on behalf of some Hearts fans btw.  👍

🤣🤣

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1902hewat
Just now, BarneyBattles said:


I was at most games during that fantastic season. 
 

Hearts were absolutely brilliant and every Hearts supporter will be eternally grateful to that squad for giving us one of the best seasons of our lives. 

 

1 minute ago, BarneyBattles said:


I was at most games during that fantastic season. 
 

Hearts were absolutely brilliant and every Hearts supporter will be eternally grateful to that squad for giving us one of the best seasons of our lives. 

Like me & Totally agree but those last two games of that season including the cup final still haunt me. We should’ve won the double that season with ease

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BarneyBattles
12 minutes ago, 1902hewat said:

 

Like me & Totally agree but those last two games of that season including the cup final still haunt me. We should’ve won the double that season with ease


Yeah. Most teams beat Ferguson’s Aberdeen team in cup finals with ease. 
 

Hibs ****

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simplesimon

I think anyone who has been a Hearts fan for 50 years would be haunted by the last 3, the Clydebank game was when we should have closed it out.

 

The moderation of this site needs looked at.  We laugh at the hibs.net lockdowns but I think half the posters on here today are trolls stirring things.  I'm upset with the last 3 results, I want to hear my fellow fans opinions but right now I'm not sure I can find them on here.  This site is not what it used to be.

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42 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Today's second update after the Dungdee v Pars game.

 

  P Pts Avail Max PPG Pts @ PPG
Hearts 22 46 15 61 2.09 56.45
Raith 21 33 18 51 1.57 42.43
Dundee 21 33 18 51 1.57 42.43
Dunfermline 20 30 21 51 1.50 40.50
ICT 22 30 15 45 1.36 36.82
QOTS 22 30 15 45 1.36 36.82
Ayr 22 26 15 41 1.18 31.91
Morton 22 25 15 40 1.14 30.68
Arbroath 22 22 15 37 1.00 27.00
Alloa 22 18 15 33 0.82 22.09

So Dundee winning tonight means we only have to win 2 from our last 5 games and we have Alloa and ICT at home. Still hoping for Dunfermline, Dundee and Raith to drop more points though.

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1902hewat
4 minutes ago, simplesimon said:

I think anyone who has been a Hearts fan for 50 years would be haunted by the last 3, the Clydebank game was when we should have closed it out.

 

The moderation of this site needs looked at.  We laugh at the hibs.net lockdowns but I think half the posters on here today are trolls stirring things.  I'm upset with the last 3 results, I want to hear my fellow fans opinions but right now I'm not sure I can find them on here.  This site is not what it used to be.

Agreed 100%

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1902hewat
14 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said:


Yeah. Most teams beat Ferguson’s Aberdeen team in cup finals with ease. 
 

Hibs ****

Oh dear 😄😄 man of many big words

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JamesM48
28 minutes ago, allystrachan said:

Play off place secured. Robbie will be happy with that for now.

It would have been a money spinner if we could attend games though 

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8 minutes ago, 1953 said:

So Dundee winning tonight means we only have to win 2 from our last 5 games and we have Alloa and ICT at home. Still hoping for Dunfermline, Dundee and Raith to drop more points though.

 

And they will drop more points. We've been rubbish recently and Neilson should be sacked, but for a bit of perspective on our rivals, points taken over each teams last 5 games

- Dundee 9

- Hearts 8

- Dunfermline / Raith 6

 

Fixtures remaining...

- Hearts: Dunf(A) Alloa(H) Morton(A) ICT(H) Raith(A)

- Raith: Dunf(H) Arbroath(A) QotS(A) Alloa(A) Dundee(A) Hearts(H)

- Dundee: Ayr(A) Morton(H) Dunf(A) ICT(A) Raith(H) QotS(A)

- Dunfermline: Raith(A) Dunf(H) Ayr(A) Dundee(H) QotS(H) Arbroath(H) Alloa(A)

Each of them will be far more worried about dropping out of the play-off places than they will be hoping they can catch us.

 

Entirely plausible that none of them will pick-up the 13 points from their final 6 games (16 from 7) that they'd need to match our current points total.

 

By my reckoning, the earliest we could now mathematically win the league is 6th April. That would require Dunfermline to win at Raith on Tuesday, then us to beat Dunfermline on Saturday, and finally Dundee to lose at Ayr on the Tuesday. Seems unlikely but not impossible with the form of other teams.

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rudeskaboyuk

I think  we will fluke a lucky win at dunfermline 0-1 a offside goal  that shouldn't have stood. 

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2205ian
6 hours ago, 1902hewat said:

We will not win this league

We will lose all renaming games

Raith will win league

we will get by Dunfermline in the playoffs 

said this before say it again 

 

Did you enjoy watching the clip at HT tonight showing JC missing the penalty vs Hamilton to seal your play off defeat?

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2205ian
1 hour ago, 1953 said:

So Dundee winning tonight means we only have to win 2 from our last 5 games and we have Alloa and ICT at home. Still hoping for Dunfermline, Dundee and Raith to drop more points though.

You will start getting your wish on Tuesday evening 👍

 

Rovers vs Pars 6:00pm ko on BBC Scotland

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Thomaso
On 27/03/2021 at 23:56, 2205ian said:

You will start getting your wish on Tuesday evening 👍

 

Rovers vs Pars 6:00pm ko on BBC Scotland


Hopefully a draw 🤞

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2205ian
4 minutes ago, Thomaso said:


Hopefully a draw 🤞

Agree, but so sad we are looking for the best result to suit our predicament at present. 

 

Correction to ko time 7:05pm.

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On 27/03/2021 at 23:15, 1902hewat said:

Oh dear 😄😄 man of many big words

Here’s two more:

 

Five

 

One

 

:thumbsup: 

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On 28/03/2021 at 00:56, 2205ian said:

You will start getting your wish on Tuesday evening 👍

 

Rovers vs Pars 6:00pm ko on BBC Scotland

A draw would be perfect.  👍

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Thomaso
2 minutes ago, 2205ian said:

Agree, but so sad we are looking for the best result to suit our predicament at present. 

 

Correction to ko time 7:05pm.


After all the games in hand are played we will be a minimum of 10 points ahead of any team......but we have no faith in our manager and players that they can get over the line!

Lose at Dunfermline on Saturday and the pressure will build and build! 😒

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daavojaay

cant see us beating dunfermline on sat just cant,we are folding under any sort of pressure moral is stinking and all teams know it they can smell blood, they will be so up for it as they know they have a chance to catch us.we need results to go our way just to give us bit confidence as i just dont see us doing ourselves any favours at the moment

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daavojaay

robbie going on bout being 13 clear but if we had played same amount of games and any teams were closer he would be shitting himself,wonder what he would be saying bout no crisis then...

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