Bazzas right boot Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, Last Laff said: Yet RN does like? Alex Neil or Robbie? Seriously? A sacked Preston manager, nah. But I'd support him if he came on board, but he's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just now, Smith's right boot said: A sacked Preston manager, nah. But I'd support him if he came on board, but he's not. Would rather have a sacked MK Dons manager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 hours ago, mitch41 said: Eh what League did we win, oh aye the Championship and how did we do in the 2 Cup competitions, oh aye we were humped by Alloa and the mighty Brora Rangers. I mean these milkmen, postmen, butchers and candlestick makers are fantastic players and it was no shame to lose to that team managed by a real good manager. This coming season we’ll have to watch out for Dundee as they finished second in that difficult Championship last season. You know we’ll be lucky to hold on to Neilson as I’m sure there must be lots of top clubs looking to employ him. In the 3 Cup competitions Final Last 16 Shocker v Brora. He finished as high as he could in the league. Also, in his previous spell 1st 3rd Left in 2nd / 3rd. In my lifetime as a Hearts supporter, none of our managers have had lots of top clubs after them, I don't expect that to change. I don't understand why that is importance to you Tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Last Laff said: Would rather have a sacked MK Dons manager? Potatoe/ potato to me tbh, but I don't have a choice. Back to the original point, I would say neither are guaranteed to be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, sadj said: If you havent seen worse performances between 73 and this season you def havent been watching. Undefeated 🙈 Jesus **** Anyway all the usual sad shite aside. How has an Irving thread become a Neilson is shit , Hearts are shit , Derek McInnes is a better manager thread. Anyone got any update on the sctual topic of the thread , Irving and what hes doing? I read hes at preseason training with us. Does he have a squad number as they’ll have been handed out too Its the usual suspects trying to find any opportunity to change every thread into a Neilson Out thread and regurgitate the same arguments that are history now. Its tiresome listening to their negative monotonous drone as they go round in circles. Edited June 20, 2021 by frankblack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 hours ago, martoon said: Not my job to source managers/head coaches. It's a task for the decision maker(s) at Hearts and they’ve been failing us for years now. The best we could get was not just along the corridor in 2017 or at Tannadice last year. They never failed us last season. Job was done last season, promotion was achieved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Smith's right boot said: Potatoe/ potato to me tbh, but I don't have a choice. Back to the original point, I would say neither are guaranteed to be great. One left a championship side. The other was sacked with the team bottom of League 1, to be relegated. Bit of a difference there. Neil also got Norwich promoted. Paul Lambert a better option than Neilson also. None of them are yes men though. Neilson feels he's won a watch as head coach here again. The others will all have more ambition to be nice to AB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, frankblack said: Its the usual suspects trying to find any opportunity to change every thread into a Neilson Out thread and regurgitate the same arguments that are history now. Its tiresome listening to their negative monotonous drone as they go round in circles. Deflecting as per. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just now, Last Laff said: Deflecting as per. This is an Irving thread. Stay on topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 23 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said: The guy is Hibs , vermin are best ignored ! I can confirm he is definitely not Hibs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: They never failed us last season. Job was done last season, promotion was achieved. Forget the humiliation in both cups then? Woo hoo we got promoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just now, frankblack said: This is an Irving thread. Stay on topic. What did you post have to do with Irving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Last Laff said: What did you post have to do with Irving? I'm just trying to get this thread back on topic and to stop you embarassing yourself like you did on that James Anderson thread the other day. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, lou said: I can confirm he is definitely not Hibs Apart from Scottish Cup finals . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just now, frankblack said: I'm just trying to get this thread back on topic and to stop you embarassing yourself like you did on that James Anderson thread the other day. 👍 Still nothing on Irving then? Have you even made any opinion on his matter? or just trying to deflect Neilson being a boring, shite head coach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just now, Last Laff said: Still nothing on Irving then? Have you even made any opinion on his matter? or just trying to deflect Neilson being a boring, shite head coach? Yes, I think you will find a number of posts on this thread if you want to check. 👍 I made it clear I thought he was off some time ago when his contract talks stalled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, frankblack said: Yes, I think you will find a number of posts on this thread if you want to check. 👍 I made it clear I thought he was off some time ago when his contract talks stalled. Sound! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 hour ago, JimmyCant said: He has managed for less than a year and a half in the top league. Five years ago now and barely relevant in terms of today’s team and today’s league. Whilst overall he was a success, there were some pretty scary one off results in big games and plenty of insipid performances. Its surely not a stretch to think we could get a better manager. I can’t think of one that comes with guarantees but then neither does the one we decided to keep faith with, much against the vast majority of fans wishes I might add. The fact is we have a manager who had us going forward and performing well in the league the last time has achieved promotion easily again. He's had a shocker in the sc, but was also a penalty or two away from winning us the sc cup. He's going to take us forward into next season. Folk can either get behind him and support him, some will be going into that positively others a bit more reserved and will hope to be proven wrong. All fair. Then there are those who will take every opportunity to have a pop and are actively hoping he fails. The second group are noisy, vocal and irritating but thankfully small. They will go on about everything just ri stir up hate and bile and champion other managers constantly ( changing to whoever is the flavour of the month) , it's a complete waste of time. They'll slag our signings and look constantly for faults. On match day threads they'll be rabid if playing poorly and disappear when we play well. In all honesty, Hopefully this lot do as they say and stay clear of Tynecastle. Many add nothing or help support Hearts in any way. They want us to fail so they are right. It's beyond tragic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just now, Last Laff said: Sound! So, what exactly has your effort to make a positive contribution to the thread? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, Last Laff said: One left a championship side. The other was sacked with the team bottom of League 1, to be relegated. Bit of a difference there. Neil also got Norwich promoted. Paul Lambert a better option than Neilson also. None of them are yes men though. Neilson feels he's won a watch as head coach here again. The others will all have more ambition to be nice to AB. Neilson got us promoted twice, finished 3rd and left us in 2nd. As I said, potatoe/ potato- neither guarantees success. You're basically playing manager bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Smith's right boot said: The fact is we have a manager who had us going forward and performing well in the league the last time has achieved promotion easily again. He's had a shocker in the sc, but was also a penalty or two away from winning us the sc cup. He's going to take us forward into next season. Folk can either get behind him and support him, some will be going into that positively others a bit more reserved and will hope to be proven wrong. All fair. Then there are those who will take every opportunity to have a pop and are actively hoping he fails. The second group are noisy, vocal and irritating but thankfully small. They will go on about everything just ri stir up hate and bile and champion other managers constantly ( changing to whoever is the flavour of the month) , it's a complete waste of time. They'll slag our signings and look constantly for faults. On match day threads they'll be rabid if playing poorly and disappear when we play well. In all honesty, Hopefully this lot do as they say and stay clear of Tynecastle. Many add nothing or help support Hearts in any way. They want us to fail so they are right. It's beyond tragic. Did you cut and paste that from your Levein backing when he was costing us a fortune and leading us nowhere (except down the garden path) a failed former manager that done no bad before then walked out, failed everywhere else apart from strangely enough, Dundee Utd and everyone could see it was time for him to be punted for the good of the club going forward. Just la la la forget all the shite we have to watch and hope to prove people wrong when looking at it logically Neilson is a shan head coach that's below the level we should have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just now, Last Laff said: Did you cut and paste that from your Levein backing when he was costing us a fortune and leading us nowhere (except down the garden path) a failed former manager that done no bad before then walked out, failed everywhere else apart from strangely enough, Dundee Utd and everyone could see it was time for him to be punted for the good of the club going forward. Just la la la forget all the shite we have to watch and hope to prove people wrong when looking at it logically Neilson is a shan head coach that's below the level we should have. Did you cut and copy your CL arguments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: The fact is we have a manager who had us going forward and performing well in the league the last time has achieved promotion easily again. He's had a shocker in the sc, but was also a penalty or two away from winning us the sc cup. He's going to take us forward into next season. Folk can either get behind him and support him, some will be going into that positively others a bit more reserved and will hope to be proven wrong. All fair. Then there are those who will take every opportunity to have a pop and are actively hoping he fails. The second group are noisy, vocal and irritating but thankfully small. They will go on about everything just ri stir up hate and bile and champion other managers constantly ( changing to whoever is the flavour of the month) , it's a complete waste of time. They'll slag our signings and look constantly for faults. On match day threads they'll be rabid if playing poorly and disappear when we play well. In all honesty, Hopefully this lot do as they say and stay clear of Tynecastle. Many add nothing or help support Hearts in any way. They want us to fail so they are right. It's beyond tragic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, frankblack said: So, what exactly has your effort to make a positive contribution to the thread? 🤔 I've said lots on this thread regarding Irving. He's stalled on development the past year but I would blame the people coaching and managing on that more than anything. Very little players ever improve when joining us these days and especially under Neilson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch41 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: In the 3 Cup competitions Final Last 16 Shocker v Brora. He finished as high as he could in the league. Also, in his previous spell 1st 3rd Left in 2nd / 3rd. In my lifetime as a Hearts supporter, none of our managers have had lots of top clubs after them, I don't expect that to change. I don't understand why that is importance to you Tbh. What has he done to become manager of Hearts ? Nothing ! The first club that came along when he was here the first time he bailed to the mighty MK Dons, well he really showed them didn’t he. Let’s face it Neilson wouldn’t have a job as a manager of a big club like Hearts if it wasn’t for Ann Budge and she knows a lot about football managers doesn’t she. 🥴 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, Last Laff said: Forget the humiliation in both cups then? Woo hoo we got promoted. Not forgotten. You forget the other sc final? Promotion was important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just now, Smith's right boot said: Did you cut and copy your CL arguments? It's like for like under his golden boy. Most can see it, you can't. When he's sacked you will say you wanted him gone after the Cup humiliation mind you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Crediting Neilson for making the Scottish Cup final and being emptied after extra time to the worst team in the Championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Not forgotten. You forget the other sc final? Promotion was important. The final that was largely down to Stendel then Hibs bottling it? Okay, I'm generous, thanks Rob for winning against the wee team. Edited June 20, 2021 by Last Laff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just now, mitch41 said: What has he done to become manager of Hearts ? Nothing ! The first club that came along when he was here the first time he bailed to the mighty MK Dons, well he really showed them didn’t he. Let’s face it Neilson wouldn’t have a job as a manager of a big club like Hearts if it wasn’t for Ann Budge and she knows a lot about football managers doesn’t she. 🥴 He was the last manager to have us 3rd in the League. He got us promoted last time and got Utd promoted after they struggled. Budge hired a manager who was a cup winner with us, ten year a player with us, had us performing well in his previous time as manager and a manager who had a good record of getting teams promoted. Aye, no logic in appointing him as manager of Hearts who were in the championship. 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just now, Last Laff said: I've said lots on this thread regarding Irving. He's stalled on development the past year but I would blame the people coaching and managing on that more than anything. Very little players ever improve when joining us these days and especially under Neilson. So Neilson is going to magically make the existing youth players into world beaters within his first season? Neilson doesn't do the coaching (and neither do most managers coach FWIW). Your argument dates back further to previous managers and their staff. Our priority was to gain promotion and that means put out the best available players. However, I'm not going over those arguments again as they were done and dusted in the Neilson Out thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Last Laff said: The final that was largely down to Stendel then Hibs bottling it? Okay, I'm generous, thanks Rob for winning against the wee team. I hope Robbie does well as it means Hearts will be doing well. A side bonus will be certain folk spewing as we do it, not all opposition fans either. Stendel certainly played his part in getting to the final, unfortunately he played his part in our demotion as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: He was the last manager to have us 3rd in the League. He got us promoted last time and got Utd promoted after they struggled. Budge hired a manager who was a cup winner with us, ten year a player with us, had us performing well in his previous time as manager and a manager who had a good record of getting teams promoted. Aye, no logic in appointing him as manager of Hearts who were in the championship. 😳 Levein had us top come November in 2018? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said: Apart from Scottish Cup finals . I thought they were insinuating Sandylejambo was Hibs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Louis Valois Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, mitch41 said: What has he done to become manager of Hearts ? Nothing ! The first club that came along when he was here the first time he bailed to the mighty MK Dons, well he really showed them didn’t he. Let’s face it Neilson wouldn’t have a job as a manager of a big club like Hearts if it wasn’t for Ann Budge and she knows a lot about football managers doesn’t she. 🥴 Robbie must stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Last Laff said: Levein had us top come November in 2018? He did. God times. Shame it went tits up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just now, Smith's right boot said: He did. God times. Shame it went tits up. Steady on. I wouldn't quite put Levein up as God status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, frankblack said: So Neilson is going to magically make the existing youth players into world beaters within his first season? Neilson doesn't do the coaching (and neither do most managers coach FWIW). Your argument dates back further to previous managers and their staff. Our priority was to gain promotion and that means put out the best available players. However, I'm not going over those arguments again as they were done and dusted in the Neilson Out thread. Yes, I would expect the head coach to improve young players coming into the team. Irving wasn't a youth player either. I would say it was minimum requirement more than priority, challenging in cups and bringing in young players in a tin pot league should have been given higher priority also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, frankblack said: Steady on. I wouldn't quite put Levein up as God status. 😳 Good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Last Laff said: Yes, I would expect the head coach to improve young players coming into the team. Irving wasn't a youth player either. I would say it was minimum requirement more than priority, challenging in cups and bringing in young players in a tin pot league should have been given higher priority also. You seem to be living in cloud cuckoo land, with expectations that have no basis in reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just now, frankblack said: You seem to be living in cloud cuckoo land, with expectations that have no basis in reality. If you're happy enough with the bear minimum under a boring uninspiring manager and being emptied out cups from Fishermen then fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTBCAL Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Last Laff said: If you're happy enough with the bear minimum under a boring uninspiring manager and being emptied out cups from Fishermen then fair enough. it seems to me that quite a few are sadly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, PTBCAL said: it seems to me that quite a few are sadly It’s like they relish us struggling over the last few years. It’s utterly bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Last Laff said: If you're happy enough with the bear minimum under a boring uninspiring manager and being emptied out cups from Fishermen then fair enough. 3 minutes ago, PTBCAL said: it seems to me that quite a few are sadly No, the argument is actually that most of us have accepted we are not changing manager, and are looking forward to getting back in to see some football again and get behind the team. It is clear that the hard of thinking are clearly in denial as they still seem to think we are about to sack the manager before a ball is kicked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloustonHMFC Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Oh look, another thread turns into a slanging march against the club and manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, CloustonHMFC said: Oh look, another thread turns into a slanging march against the club and manager. Cannae help it if folk think the manager should have been sacked after our clubs worst ever defeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Neilson boring manager or not Irving is pish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Smith's right boot said: I hope Robbie does well as it means Hearts will be doing well. A side bonus will be certain folk spewing as we do it, not all opposition fans either. Stendel certainly played his part in getting to the final, unfortunately he played his part in our demotion as well. Imo that is the intelligent view. If Neilson does well so do we. I am no admirer of our government but I very much want them to do well on the same principle. I don't think Neilson should still be on his job but he is so I have my fingers crossed for him to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 What date do the mods come back in to pre season training ? this thread is miles off topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferenc puskas Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Hes moving to Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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