Phil D. Corners Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 11 hours ago, kingantti1874 said: he needs sporadic minutes, in a non entity league, for a side getting pumped more often than not. I get wanting to leave hearts for games but to that league and club? he will look back on it as the dumbest move he’s ever made imo We will have to agree to disagree on that. Calling the 3 Liga a non entity reeks of people down south calling the Scottish league joke. He’s playing regular football, getting good money, at a club where he’s wanted, and living in a nice city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 38 minutes ago, Phil D. Corners said: We will have to agree to disagree on that. Calling the 3 Liga a non entity reeks of people down south calling the Scottish league joke. He’s playing regular football, getting good money, at a club where he’s wanted, and living in a nice city. How much money is he actually getting to sit on the bench in front of an average 768 fans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 55 minutes ago, Phil D. Corners said: We will have to agree to disagree on that. Calling the 3 Liga a non entity reeks of people down south calling the Scottish league joke. He’s playing regular football, getting good money, at a club where he’s wanted, and living in a nice city. He was wanted by us, he had a new contract in front of him for a full season. He was living in the best city in the world. As for the money, that’s where you have to balance ambition. If you want more money and you’re happy to never be heard of again, fair play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: How much money is he actually getting to sit on the bench in front of an average 768 fans? I suspect he probably saw how much we paid to some of the rubbish we've had over the last 4 seasons and thought he should get similar...Having made the decision to not take the contract, he's gone off to what could be a more technical league which might be good training for him, so it was not actually all about money. The lad has been braver than most young Scottish players - whether it will work out for him, I don't know and it is not looking great at the moment. However, if I was playing in front of guys paid 10 times more than me and then they offered me a new contract that only doubled my pay (invented numbers) I'd be a bit miffed too... Edited September 20, 2021 by Spellczech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Kaiser Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Plays at the Olympiastadion and gets to live on a diet of Bavarian beer and bratwurst. Maybe he's smarter than all of us...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leisham38 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 For those saying he is getting regular football, that doesn’t seem to be the case at all. You can wish him well while also questioning the move as being strange. Incidentally for those that remember Marcus Godinho, he also moved to the third tier of Germany with a team called FC Zwackau. He was there three years, think he was hampered with injuries playing just 30 games over this time. He has now moved back to Canada and signed with Vancouver Whitecaps, the team Ryan Gauld is with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfhearts Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Phil D. Corners said: We will have to agree to disagree on that. Calling the 3 Liga a non entity reeks of people down south calling the Scottish league joke. He’s playing regular football, getting good money, at a club where he’s wanted, and living in a nice city. Exactly should be applauded for at least trying something different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 38 minutes ago, Der Kaiser said: Plays at the Olympiastadion and gets to live on a diet of Bavarian beer and bratwurst. Maybe he's smarter than all of us...... What’s not to like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Good luck to him back at Falkirk when his contract expires and that club releases him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavK1012 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 I got stick for highlighting McHattie was always going to have an average at best career, yet its fine for folk to slaughter Andy on this thread 🤪 He is earning more than most of us likely, in an amazing country and city to boot trying a diff culture, where there would be scope to develop and be seen by others possibly, yet folk have written his career off already 🤯 At least he has a career time wise ahead of him, folk waaay too quick to pass comment and write others off... Time will tell....Good luck Andy if you or any family are looking in, spiteful folk taking pleasure in being negative is all... #Jealousy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 'Playing regular football'. He has played an average of 43 minutes per match, across 8 matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.T.K Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 28 minutes ago, Leisham38 said: For those saying he is getting regular football, that doesn’t seem to be the case at all. You can wish him well while also questioning the move as being strange. Incidentally for those that remember Marcus Godinho, he also moved to the third tier of Germany with a team called FC Zwackau. He was there three years, think he was hampered with injuries playing just 30 games over this time. He has now moved back to Canada and signed with Vancouver Whitecaps, the team Ryan Gauld is with. Andy has featured in 8 out of 9 Liga games so far. Godinho was there for 2 years and sadly hampered with injures. However he did get to play for the Canadian national team at the gold cup during his time in Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Türkgücü have just sacked their head coach, and appointed a new chap. Wonder what that will do for Irving's game time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 6 hours ago, GavK1012 said: I got stick for highlighting McHattie was always going to have an average at best career, yet its fine for folk to slaughter Andy on this thread 🤪 He is earning more than most of us likely, in an amazing country and city to boot trying a diff culture, where there would be scope to develop and be seen by others possibly, yet folk have written his career off already 🤯 At least he has a career time wise ahead of him, folk waaay too quick to pass comment and write others off... Time will tell....Good luck Andy if you or any family are looking in, spiteful folk taking pleasure in being negative is all... #Jealousy Funny you should mention Kevin McHattie. I had the good fortune to speak with Kevin at Waverley Station in June. Very sadly it looks like in his late 20s Kevin will have to give up the game due to injury, he was returning back from Bradford where he had been to see a specialist about getting his right hip replaced as he had already had his left hip replaced at such a young age. At best he was hoping to go part time. I felt so sorry for Kevin as he had given my son his shirt after the final whistle of the relegation Derby on the 30th of March 2014. I showed Kevin a photo of said shirt framed and hanging from the wall in my son's bedroom in my flat. I was so glad this cheered Kevin up. All I could do was sympathise with him and wish him all the best for whatever he does in the future. It was a reminder at how cruel football and life in general can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavK1012 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, John Findlay said: Funny you should mention Kevin McHattie. I had the good fortune to speak with Kevin at Waverley Station in June. Very sadly it looks like in his late 20s Kevin will have to give up the game due to injury, he was returning back from Bradford where he had been to see a specialist about getting his right hip replaced as he had already had his left hip replaced at such a young age. At best he was hoping to go part time. I felt so sorry for Kevin as he had given my son his shirt after the final whistle of the relegation Derby on the 30th of March 2014. I showed Kevin a photo of said shirt framed and hanging from the wall in my son's bedroom in my flat. I was so glad this cheered Kevin up. All I could do was sympathise with him and wish him all the best for whatever he does in the future. It was a reminder at how cruel football and life in general can be. Part time he is at Brechin now I appears... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Prentice Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) New Head Coach at Türkgücü is Peter Hyballa who recently resigned from Esbjerg after allegations of physical and mental abuse of players! Wikipedia report below. Can't see Andy and his team mates being delighted with the news. Hope it works out as I liked him as a player and want him to do well, some of the bitching on this thread is mean spirited in the extreme. "Hyballa signed a two-year contract with Danish club Esbjerg fB on 24 May 2021.[27] Less than two months into his tenure, Danish newspaper B.T. reported that first-team players demanded his dismissal after "mental and physical punishments".[28][29] The following day, Spillerforeningen, the Danish Player's Association, reprimanded the Esbjerg board after the American chairman Michael Kalt had toned down the conflict and informed JydskeVestkysten that only a few players were involved in the demand.[30][31] One day later, Hyballa demoted four key players to the U19 team: Yuriy Yakovenko, Jakob Ankersen, Kevin Conboy and Zean Dalügge.[32] On 15 July, Esbjerg fB were reported to the Danish Labour Inspection Authority ("Arbejdstilsynet") by Spillerforeningen after reports came out that Hyballa had allegedly hit and "mentally terrorised" players.[33][34] The following week, Hyballa stated that he had never hit anyone, and that he had only tried to motivate his players.[35] On 24 July, Hyballa appointed the 19-year-old Mads Larsen as the new team captain.[36] Three days later, on 27 July, new accusations arose against Hyballa – this time from Kasper Pedersen – who had terminated his contract by mutual consent the day before. He stated that Hyballa had created a "horrible mood" and that he had left the club due to the manager.[37] On 28 July, 21 of Esbjerg's first-team players sent an open letter to club management, expressing "strong distrust" to Hyballa. The letter, which was also published in several media outlets, mentions several episodes where Hyballa had physically or mentally abused players.[38][39] Responding to the letter, investor and spokesperson for the Esbjerg board, Paul Conway, stated to JydskeVestkysten that "[i]t's so unprofessional, I've never experienced anything like it. It can never be the players who get to decide who get to play and who is the coach."[40] On 11 August after weeks of stories in the press and a bad start to the season, Hyballa resigned as manager of Esbjerg fB and was replaced by Roland Vrabec." Edited September 20, 2021 by Ford Prentice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgie rd eh11 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 I hope it works out for him,as long as he’s not at any of our rivals. But it was a strange decision to make if he had an offer from Hearts. He’ll have to absolutely rip it up out there to get a bigger club than Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 25 minutes ago, gorgie rd eh11 said: I hope it works out for him,as long as he’s not at any of our rivals. But it was a strange decision to make if he had an offer from Hearts. He’ll have to absolutely rip it up out there to get a bigger club than Hearts. There is no chance he will ever get to that level, he occasionally looked good in the lower division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naisys Tackle Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, H2 said: There is no chance he will ever get to that level, he occasionally looked good in the lower division. Harsh. There's a good career out there for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 43 minutes ago, Robbies Tackle said: Harsh. There's a good career out there for him. Hard to see how ? 🤔 If he's only making bit part appearances and his ream are not getting promoted it looks like he's in a rut. A well paid rut I suppose but it's hardly job security. Best of luck to him I think he'll need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Robbies Tackle said: Harsh. There's a good career out there for him. Tbh if he stays at his current level or moves up at any point, he'll have a decent lifestyle and will make decent money (compared to not being a footballer). He's clearly just fancied living and working abroad for a wee while - something no doubt we've all done or at least fantasised about. Good on him. Unbelievable that some people are so salty about a young laddie wanting to go and live his life and experience another part of the world rather than stay in his home town sitting on the bench for Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naisys Tackle Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 hour ago, luckydug said: Hard to see how ? 🤔 If he's only making bit part appearances and his ream are not getting promoted it looks like he's in a rut. A well paid rut I suppose but it's hardly job security. Best of luck to him I think he'll need it. We, as a support, apart from Hickey aside and formally CP, seem to want every player to leave us to fail and not make it. I wonder if back in the day posters would be kicking about ripping Robbo and JC for not making it and never wanting them back. Even Rudi, I wonder if people said he was shit for Southampton for instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naisys Tackle Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 48 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said: Tbh if he stays at his current level or moves up at any point, he'll have a decent lifestyle and will make decent money (compared to not being a footballer). He's clearly just fancied living and working abroad for a wee while - something no doubt we've all done or at least fantasised about. Good on him. Unbelievable that some people are so salty about a young laddie wanting to go and live his life and experience another part of the world rather than stay in his home town sitting on the bench for Hearts. 100%. Jambos wanting a young player who supports us to fail and taking great delight is weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Mikey Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, Robbies Tackle said: We, as a support, apart from Hickey aside and formally CP, seem to want every player to leave us to fail and not make it. I wonder if back in the day posters would be kicking about ripping Robbo and JC for not making it and never wanting them back. Even Rudi, I wonder if people said he was shit for Southampton for instance. You've just reminded me of this (which maybe one day might be apropos for our Beni):- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naisys Tackle Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 27 minutes ago, Wee Mikey said: You've just reminded me of this (which maybe one day might be apropos for our Beni):- Reminds me of a sadly departed ex playing that to me. Sons called Rudi too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Robbies Tackle said: We, as a support, apart from Hickey aside and formally CP, seem to want every player to leave us to fail and not make it. I wonder if back in the day posters would be kicking about ripping Robbo and JC for not making it and never wanting them back. Even Rudi, I wonder if people said he was shit for Southampton for instance. Can confirm they wouldn't thanks, given they are, you know. all time legends. As for Rudi, didn't we even applaud him when he played against us? You read some nonsense on here.... maybe try again with some similar players to Irving at similar stages of their careers. Edited September 20, 2021 by ToqueJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Batistuta87 said: Tbh if he stays at his current level or moves up at any point, he'll have a decent lifestyle and will make decent money (compared to not being a footballer). He's clearly just fancied living and working abroad for a wee while - something no doubt we've all done or at least fantasised about. Good on him. Unbelievable that some people are so salty about a young laddie wanting to go and live his life and experience another part of the world rather than stay in his home town sitting on the bench for Hearts. I agree about opportunities to live abroad although none of us are professional footballers with our whole careers ahead of us so who knows if we would also consider our careers. My instinct is he was pretty badly advised or there is something odd and agent-y going on, like how Webster signed for Rangers via Wigan for some reason I can't remember. By the way you make "sitting on the bench for Hearts" sounds like a trip to the dentist in a car driven by Tam McManus. At worst an injury or bad performance away from playing for Hearts - that's been all of our dreams at some point surely, especially around Irvings age and double so if you're any good at football. Edited September 20, 2021 by ToqueJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leisham38 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Irving’s team now in the relegation zone in Liga3. Anyone any knowledge of German football know what happens if they are relegated? Is it Regional like Scotland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 On 20/09/2021 at 08:41, Der Kaiser said: Plays at the Olympiastadion and gets to live on a diet of Bavarian beer and bratwurst. Maybe he's smarter than all of us...... And the frauleins, don't forget the frauleins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, Leisham38 said: Irving’s team now in the relegation zone in Liga3. Anyone any knowledge of German football know what happens if they are relegated? Is it Regional like Scotland? Yup, Regionaliga is tier 4 in Germany. Turkgucu will obviously play in the Bavarian league. Quite a mad set up for teams coming back up though. Some leagues get instant promotion back up while others have to play-off for a chance at promotion. Think they just pick them at random each year to decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leisham38 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 15 minutes ago, Locky said: Yup, Regionaliga is tier 4 in Germany. Turkgucu will obviously play in the Bavarian league. Quite a mad set up for teams coming back up though. Some leagues get instant promotion back up while others have to play-off for a chance at promotion. Think they just pick them at random each year to decide. Cheers for that. He’d surely look to leave if that was the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 20 minutes ago, Locky said: Yup, Regionaliga is tier 4 in Germany. Turkgucu will obviously play in the Bavarian league. Quite a mad set up for teams coming back up though. Some leagues get instant promotion back up while others have to play-off for a chance at promotion. Think they just pick them at random each year to decide. That will be Regional Lige Sud. My lad had a spell playing in Regional Lige Sudvest with an Eintracht Frankfurt feeder club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo-in-furness Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Auf Wiedersehen to kraut fitbaw son. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 clearly his team have bombed - any reports on how well he has fared? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Any chance of Bayern making an offer?🤭 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Leisham38 said: Cheers for that. He’d surely look to leave if that was the case. I'd imagine so. Hard to really compare the levels to one we're more familiar with, but I'd imagine Regionaliga is probably not too dissimilar to League Two in England. He'll probably be released and be playing for Caley Thistle or someone within the year. Edited January 16, 2022 by Locky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 54 minutes ago, Tasavallan said: That will be Regional Lige Sud. My lad had a spell playing in Regional Lige Sudvest with an Eintracht Frankfurt feeder club. You're right. Bavaria is the Oberliga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Still the most bizarre Hearts transfer I can think of, in terms of trying to understand the player's decision-making at such a crucial stage in his development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Lambretta Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 11 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Still the most bizarre Hearts transfer I can think of, in terms of trying to understand the player's decision-making at such a crucial stage in his development. Maybe just wanted to play in Germany it's got a lot going for it. I go there twice a year myself to sample the bundesliga, beer, bratwurst and apple strudel. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, Italian Lambretta said: Maybe just wanted to play in Germany it's got a lot going for it. I go there twice a year myself to sample the bundesliga, beer, bratwurst and apple strudel. 🙂 Yeah, always suspected it's for lifestyle reasons which I totally get. Just at the time there was talk of it being for football reasons, which I just don't see. Could just be one of these guys who wants to use football as a way to see a bit of the world while he can - fair play. A number of Scottish player have done that and played in lots of countries as a professional but at a pretty low level. Thing is, he was an established first team player at a top club in his own country and had just broken into the Scotland U21s. I've never seen such a deliberate backwards step, even taking into account possible lifestyle reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Japan Jambo said: clearly his team have bombed - any reports on how well he has fared? He's just a squad player: A squad player, only played 90 minutes 3 times this season. No surprise really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, H2 said: He's just a squad player: A squad player, only played 90 minutes 3 times this season. No surprise really. thanks for that, what a disaster of a move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, H2 said: He's just a squad player: A squad player, only played 90 minutes 3 times this season. No surprise really. Someone will no doubt take a chance on him back here - ironically because of how well he did at Hearts, not anything since. Can't imagine it will be at a higher level than the Scottish Championship at first though. What a waste but Neilson and co clearly saw that he would struggle to fit in to the 3-4-3 we planned to play and so couldn't guarantee him first team football. As a deep-lying playmaker with a decent long pass and shot on him he showed a bit of promise though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Japan Jambo said: thanks for that, what a disaster of a move. IMO not really much of a surprise, I think Hearts in the Premier was as high a level as he'll ever play at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CostaJambo Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Anyone know who his agent is or was at the time of the transfer out of interest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Japan Jambo said: thanks for that, what a disaster of a move. Bit of a shame for the lad. Seems like a lot of agents in Scotland are god awful at their jobs. Should never have made that move. Smart thing would be to get a move back to Scotland at a club like Partick and get his career back on track. I do wonder if the club needs to evaluate which agents it works with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC_Hearts Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 11 minutes ago, CostaJambo said: Anyone know who his agent is or was at the time of the transfer out of interest? His agent was German or the agency company was German. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 23 minutes ago, EC_Hearts said: His agent was German or the agency company was German. DC INTERNATIONAL SPORTS MANAGEMENT GMBH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 2 hours ago, H2 said: IMO not really much of a surprise, I think Hearts in the Premier was as high a level as he'll ever play at. Some of us said that at the time of his departure! Badly advised I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 As long as he was getting paid about the same as what he was getting here, and he enjoyed his time (and enjoys his time) there, it's not really a bad move for him. Maybe he's happy being out there and trying new things. He'll get a club in Scotland no bother, so the risk is minimal, and it was a chance to piss off and experience living in Germany for a while. I'd probably have done the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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