jonesy Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Why not just say the black guy? You could say the ginger one etc.. you generally describe people by what they look like. Or you could say "the one with no soul." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nunya Business Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Cruyff said: Why not just say the black guy? You could say the ginger one etc.. you generally describe people by what they look like. Because it’s needless and is likely to cause offence. Why bother having to explain yourself after saying something so profoundly stupid? The colour of someone’s skin isn’t the only identifiable characteristic of any person. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cruyff Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Just now, Nunya Business said: Because it’s needless and is likely to cause offence. Why bother having to explain yourself after saying something so profoundly stupid? The colour of someone’s skin isn’t the only identifiable characteristic of any person. How could calling a black guy, a black guy cause offence? What a load of woke nonsense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cruyff Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, jonesy said: Or you could say "the one with no soul." Gingerphobic post imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sherbet Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 If only our parents had listened to enoch powell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nunya Business Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Cruyff said: How could calling a black guy, a black guy cause offence? What a load of woke nonsense. It’s funny how only a certain type of character uses the term “woke” as some kind of insult. Says a lot for your character mate. Seems like people who’ve suffered racist abuse in the past think it was offensive. But you obviously know best. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mikey1874 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Cruyff said: How could calling a black guy, a black guy cause offence? What a load of woke nonsense. People could be more resilient, less reactive. Moaning about football results or ill health for example. Losers, weaklings as I see it. Not being able to take anything in your stride is a sign of weakness. Being upset at wokeness for example. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cruyff Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Just now, Nunya Business said: It’s funny how only a certain type of character uses the term “woke” as some kind of insult. Says a lot for your character mate. Seems like people who’ve suffered racist abuse in the past think it was offensive. But you obviously know best. No it doesn't say anything about my character at all actually. Says a lot about yours though if you believe that calling a black guy / person (a genuine and widely accepted term for someone's ethnicity which you would find on a census) a black guy/person even remotely offensive. It is not offensive whatsoever and it is perfectly acceptable to describe someone by their ethnicity, nationality, eye colour, hair colour or gender. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cruyff Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: People could be more resilient, less reactive. Moaning about football results or ill health for example. Losers, weaklings as I see it. Not being able to take anything in your stride is a sign of weakness. Being upset at wokeness for example. Whatever Mikey. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mikey1874 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Cruyff said: Whatever Mikey. So you take everything in your stride. Nothing ever upset you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cruyff Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Just now, Mikey1874 said: So you take everything in your stride. Nothing ever upset you? Pretty much. Very little upsets me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mikey1874 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Pretty much. Very little upsets me. Good lad. In my view that does give you the right to question the reaction from the players here. Anyone upset at say the death of a relative or the fight against racism doesn't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Daddy Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, Cruyff said: How could calling a black guy, a black guy cause offence? What a load of woke nonsense. It is nonsense mate. Calling a black person 'black' or a white person 'white' is a biological statement of fact. And definitely not racist. Those that choose to vent their 'faux outrage'' are nothing more than attention seekers trying to take some moral high ground... and are actually making things more difficult or exacerbating the real problems for which they claim to be fighting. And just for clarity, I'm not talking about anyone in particular on here- it's more a generalisation on todays society. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cruyff Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said: Good lad. In my view that does give you the right to question the reaction from the players here. Anyone upset at say the death of a relative or the fight against racism doesn't. I think people need to calm their shit. There is blatant racism, subliminal racism and then there is going to absurd levels of faux outrage over a 4th official describing someone's ethnic appearance using terms within his own language. It is the simplist and most effective way to describe someone. If there were fans making monkey chants or singing racist songs then I'd fully endorse their decision to leave the pitch. On this occasion however, it should have been highlighted by the clubs to UEFA for them to make a decision and the game should have been completed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cruyff Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said: It is nonsense mate. Calling a black person 'black' or a white person 'white' is a biological statement of fact. And definitely not racist. Those that choose to vent their 'faux outrage'' are nothing more than attention seekers trying to take some moral high ground... and are actually making things more difficult or exacerbating the real problems for which they claim to be fighting. And just for clarity, I'm not talking about anyone in particular on here- it's more a generalisation on todays society. Spot on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mikey1874 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 UEFA investigation will decide. Obviously not everyone might agree. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sherbet Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 In spain you can buy ***** chocolate and it's not deemed racist there. It would be here. Why? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonesy Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 35 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Gingerphobic post imo. A blonde woman gets pulled over by the police... no, wait. A woman gets pulled over... no, wait. An undefined person of no specific gender, race or religion gets pulled over by the police... nah, not funny anymore. It was funny when Song, the Chinese woman next door... no, wait. It was funny when Song, the person next door of no specified gender, race or religion told me it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonesy Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Just now, Sherbet said: In spain you can buy ***** chocolate and it's not deemed racist there. It would be here. Why? Because the Spanish are all mad racists. Must be a Kafflik thing. I remember I used to buy 'Darlie' toothpaste in China. I'm guessing they had a wee moment of clarity at a marketing meeting one day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fabienleclerq Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 53 minutes ago, Nunya Business said: Because it’s needless and is likely to cause offence. Why bother having to explain yourself after saying something so profoundly stupid? The colour of someone’s skin isn’t the only identifiable characteristic of any person. How's it stupid? The guy is black, describing someone as a black man is no more offensive than a white man. I'm all for fighting actual racism but stuff like this does nothing to do it. It wasn't racist the players have called it wrong here. I don't know a single person who would be offended by being described as a white/black/Asian man, even less so if they were the only one of their ethnic background in the room. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
givememychoice Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Just now, Mikey1874 said: UEFA investigation will decide. Obviously not everyone might agree. Everybody never agree. (euch...bad english i think) (note, when i say you from now on, i mean everybody, not you mikey ) One of the things i would say is, even if you believe this to be racist, surely you would accept that there is a scale in offence and this is near the bottom. Yet the hysteria is not at the bottom. So, does the hype reflect the crime. No. But here is the thing, it is very often (and pardon the phrasing) viewed as black or white. If you think identifying a black man as being black isnt racist, then you clearly condone every last form of racism. Ill be honest, i have Aspergers, a form of Autism. I see things very literally. To me, calling somebody who is black, black, on its own is completely acceptable. I know some of you will disagree, and thats ok. But, what if you attempt to stop me, is that impinging on me because of my disability? From a logical perspective, removing emotion as Aspergers tends to do, identifying by skin colour or coat colour is the same thing. It is a measurable difference. Im not saying that people who point out somebody is black arent potentially being racist. And going back to the previous point, if people make too much of an issue about this, then a lot of society then ends up with the view that woke is bad. From my view: Dont be racist Dont take offence if none is intended. As an aside, would it be ok if somebody only had one leg to say the one legged one? What about crutches? or a leg in plaster? Avoiding being racist isnt being colour blind. We can still see peoples many many colours. judging them by colour of their skin is wrong, judging them by the content of their character is right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nunya Business Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 43 minutes ago, Cruyff said: No it doesn't say anything about my character at all actually. Says a lot about yours though if you believe that calling a black guy / person (a genuine and widely accepted term for someone's ethnicity which you would find on a census) a black guy/person even remotely offensive. It is not offensive whatsoever and it is perfectly acceptable to describe someone by their ethnicity, nationality, eye colour, hair colour or gender. You’d have a point if it was just me that thinks his actions were crossing the line. You’ve done a good job of pointing out many different characteristics you can identify someone as. But skin colour is obviously it’s completely beyond the realms of possibility for the 4th Official to say something along the lines of “it was the assistant manager” and that boiling him down to his skin colour is more acceptable. 2 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said: How's it stupid? The guy is black, describing someone as a black man is no more offensive than a white man. I'm all for fighting actual racism but stuff like this does nothing to do it. It wasn't racist the players have called it wrong here. I don't know a single person who would be offended by being described as a white/black/Asian man, even less so if they were the only one of their ethnic background in the room. So the folk who’ve been subjected to racist abuse in the past are wrong and you’re right? Good thing you’re here to tell Pierre Webo and his team mates what is racist and what isn’t. They’ll be glad of your input. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
givememychoice Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Could somebody point out Webo? (but given the stramash, location is likely to be a lot harder than this picture) All male. all wearing the same stuff. To be honest, my desription would be the black one, the one with greying hair, the one with the hat, the one with spikey hair. I mean, fundamentally, below the neck, I couldnt identify between any of them. So it is just the head really to identify. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sherbet Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, givememychoice said: Could somebody point out Webo? (but given the stramash, location is likely to be a lot harder than this picture) All male. all wearing the same stuff. To be honest, my desription would be the black one, the one with greying hair, the one with the hat, the one with spikey hair. I mean, fundamentally, below the neck, I couldnt identify between any of them. So it is just the head really to identify. Snowflakes!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nunya Business Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Just now, givememychoice said: Could somebody point out Webo? (but given the stramash, location is likely to be a lot harder than this picture) All male. all wearing the same stuff. To be honest, my desription would be the black one, the one with greying hair, the one with the hat, the one with spikey hair. I mean, fundamentally, below the neck, I couldnt identify between any of them. So it is just the head really to identify. “The assistant manager”. That wasn’t hard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
givememychoice Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nunya Business said: “The assistant manager”. That wasn’t hard. as I have said previously, you assume the officials know all the officials of all the teams? If you said to the majority of people, pick the assistant manager from that pic, then it would be relatively evenly split. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nunya Business Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Just now, givememychoice said: as I have said previously, you assume the officials know all the officials of all the teams? If you said to the majority of people, pick the assistant manager from that pic, then it would be relatively evenly split. While the average punter on the street might not be able to identify the assistant manager of a relatively unknown team from the other end of the continent, the match officials will have an idea as to who the manager/assistant manager is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
givememychoice Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Nunya Business said: While the average punter on the street might not be able to identify the assistant manager of a relatively unknown team from the other end of the continent, the match officials will have an idea as to who the manager/assistant manager is. Im not convinced, I still dont know what people in the next room along have as their job titles, who is where in terms of power and i have been here for over a year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nunya Business Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, givememychoice said: Im not convinced, I still dont know what people in the next room along have as their job titles, who is where in terms of power and i have been here for over a year. Are you required to work with any of them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
givememychoice Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Nunya Business said: Are you required to work with any of them? in some form, yes. And I would not be surprised if the 4th official was aware the Webo was a member of the coaching staff, without knowing exact position. What difference does that make? They are part of the dug out team, thats the important aspect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nunya Business Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, givememychoice said: in some form, yes. And I would not be surprised if the 4th official was aware the Webo was a member of the coaching staff, without knowing exact position. What difference does that make? They are part of the dug out team, thats the important aspect. I’m going to back out of this thread now, because it’s been decided by the Kickback Mensa branch what is and isn’t racist. Never mind that people who actually experience racist abuse knowing far more about the subject than the folks on here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fabienleclerq Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Nunya Business said: No worries mate, you’ve clearly decided for the world what is and isn’t racist. Obviously Webo should just man up and accept people boiling him down to his skin colour. He wasn't judged on his skin colour he was described as black man. Is Webo a black man? Edit: Stan Collymore 😂 Surprised he's stopped kicking **** out of women long enough to comment. Edited December 9, 2020 by fabienleclerq Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sherbet Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Nunya Business said: Because it’s needless and is likely to cause offence. Why bother having to explain yourself after saying something so profoundly stupid? The colour of someone’s skin isn’t the only identifiable characteristic of any person. Bright teeth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wee Mikey Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, Sherbet said: Bright teeth That's being toothist. 😁 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mikey1874 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Stream for minutes 15 to 90 of PSG game http://www.hesgoal.com/news/69699/PSG_vs_Istanbul_BB.html Speaking in French prematch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Cruyff Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, fabienleclerq said: He wasn't judged on his skin colour he was described as black man. Is Webo a black man? Edit: Stan Collymore 😂 Surprised he's stopped kicking **** out of women long enough to comment. John Barnes is backing the 4th official and he certainly knows what racism is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fabienleclerq Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, Cruyff said: John Barnes is backing the 4th official and he certainly knows what racism is. Says it all really, his comments on twitter are spot on tbh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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benny Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Cruyff said: John Barnes is backing the 4th official and he certainly knows what racism is. Always found him to be fair.Explains his opinions well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Furious Styles Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Strangely disliked by many so called 'football fans' strangely disliked? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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