Sooperstar Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Man U suddenly back in it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HMFC01 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 dodgy goals for man u. Wasn't a penalty for me. Not sure if that was a hand ball by maguire there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mikey1874 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 In other news 3-2. Surely not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sooperstar Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, HMFC01 said: 2 dodgy goals for man u. Wasn't a penalty for me. Not sure if that was a hand ball by maguire there. Thought it hit his head. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HMFC01 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sooperstar said: Thought it hit his head. Yeah it comes off Maguires head. Hard to to tell if he flicks it after with his fingers. Not enough possibly to rule it out. The penalty though was harsh ☺ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pharmaceutical01 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 15 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Watching this performance and the team selection, I would make the change now. Pochettino in. Is Poch not going to Celtic 😂😂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sooperstar Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, HMFC01 said: Yeah it comes off Maguires head. Hard to to tell if he flicks it after with his fingers. Not enough possibly to rule it out. The penalty though was harsh ☺ Pundits in The Goals Show still reckon it came off his hand. I dunno. Either way I hope they don't get an equaliser. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sooperstar Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, pharmaceutical01 said: Is Poch not going to Celtic 😂😂 Apparentky not good enough to oust Lennon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pharmaceutical01 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Sooperstar said: Apparentky not good enough to oust Lennon. Hopefully not before the final, Soop!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sooperstar Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, pharmaceutical01 said: Hopefully not before the final, Soop!! Think we are safe on that front now. The chance to end his managerial career should be great motivation for our players. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lovecraft Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, Sooperstar said: And the 4th official explaining himself Can't make out what he said. Just something about a black player? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nunya Business Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, Lovecraft said: Can't make out what he said. Just something about a black player? Something along the lines of the referee asking him to identify someone on the bench and him pointing at Webo and saying "Him, the black one". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lovecraft Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Nunya Business said: Something along the lines of the referee asking him to identify someone on the bench and him pointing at Webo and saying "Him, the black one". Ah. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sooperstar Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Lovecraft said: Can't make out what he said. Just something about a black player? He basically said 'the black guy' whilst pointing out who the ref was to send off. All seems a bit of an overreaction/misunderstanding. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lovecraft Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sooperstar said: He basically said 'the black guy' whilst pointing out who the ref was to send off. All seems a bit of an overreaction/misunderstanding. Calling someone a black guy if he is a black guy is not racist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HMFC01 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 That could have been 3-3 there. Nearly an own goal or maguire at back post for a tap in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mikey1874 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Anyway, PSG are through whatever happens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nunya Business Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Lovecraft said: Calling someone a black guy if he is a black guy is not racist. If he was pointing at a caucasian man, would you expect him to say "it was the white guy"? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sooperstar Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, Nunya Business said: If he was pointing at a caucasian man, would you expect him to say "it was the white guy"? Depends if he was surrounded by black guys and it was the easiest way to identify him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lovecraft Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, Nunya Business said: If he was pointing at a caucasian man, would you expect him to say "it was the white guy"? If he was standing amongst black guys, yeah. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lovecraft Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, Sooperstar said: Depends if he was surrounded by black guys and it was the easiest way to identify him. This Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nunya Business Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, Sooperstar said: Depends if he was surrounded by black guys and it was the easiest way to identify him. So instead of pointing out the guy and saying "this fella", you'd just go with the colour of his skin? I do enjoy when white people tell others what is and isn't racist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Newton51 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 You can’t say it was the black guy. That’s outrageous. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Morgan Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 ‘Racism’ seems a tad one-sided, no? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Frenchman Returns Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Istanbul Basaksehir ENG @ibfk2014En Our players has taken a decision NOT TO go back on the pitch after our Assistant Coach, Pierre Webo has been exposed to racist behaviour by the 4th Official. For the kind consideration. #NoToRacism Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sooperstar Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Nunya Business said: So instead of pointing out the guy and saying "this fella", you'd just go with the colour of his skin? I do enjoy when white people tell others what is and isn't racist. The guy was black. Referring to someone as black is not in itself racist. It is a descriptive term. Edited December 8, 2020 by Sooperstar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Morgan Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 If he’s black, he’s black. Nothing wrong with that description, imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lovecraft Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, Sooperstar said: The guy was black. Calling someone black is not in itself racist. It is a descriptive term. I think you may have just been racially profiled. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nunya Business Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sooperstar said: The guy was black. Referring to someone as black is not in itself racist. It is a descriptive term. Like I said, white people trying to decide what is and what isn't racist is always a good laugh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sooperstar Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Nunya Business said: Like I said, white people trying to decide what is and what isn't racist is always a good laugh. Thank God you are here to put us right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Newton51 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 This place is mad sometimes. Try imagining being of a different skin colour and hearing them say it was the black guy. Try using the persons actual name Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nunya Business Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, Newton51 said: This place is mad sometimes. Try imagining being of a different skin colour and hearing them say it was the black guy. Try using the persons actual name Nah mate, instead of just identifying someone by bringing the referee to them, you're better just boiling it down to the colour of his skin. Because that's the only thing identifiable about him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tazio Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Sooperstar said: The guy was black. Referring to someone as black is not in itself racist. It is a descriptive term. It’s a tricky one I’d say. How many times have you watched boxing and the commentators say “the challenger is in red shorts and the champion is wearing blue shorts” when there is a way more obvious difference between the two boxers. There is obvious a convention in place for how to describe people in sports. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trajan Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Sooperstar said: The guy was black. Referring to someone as black is not in itself racist. It is a descriptive term. Okay, so say it wasn't Pierre Webo who was being sent to the dressing room, but another member of the coaching team. How would you identify that person? And why wouldn't you be able to identify Webo in the same manner? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pasquale for King Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Nunya Business said: Nah mate, instead of just identifying someone by bringing the referee to them, you're better just boiling it down to the colour of his skin. Because that's the only thing identifiable about him. Spot on guys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lovecraft Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 I'll just leave this here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IC_codes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Think the fact he said it in his language and used the n word hasn't helped things. Surely regardless of where you're from you know that you can't be saying that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nunya Business Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, Sooperstar said: I'm a knuckledragger am I? What a strange time to throw someone's real name in. Why? Are you worried your daft views become public knowledge? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nunya Business Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, Lovecraft said: I'll just leave this here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IC_codes So the Romanian referee is a British police officer? Huge if true. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lovecraft Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, Gone said: Think the fact he said it in his language and used the n word hasn't helped things. Surely regardless of where you're from you know that you can't be saying that? If that's true, then that is obviously a completely different thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sooperstar Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, Trajan said: Okay, so say it wasn't Pierre Webo who was being sent to the dressing room, but another member of the coaching team. How would you identify that person? And why wouldn't you be able to identify Webo in the same manner? I'm not sure how I personally would identify Webo or anyone else. I probably wouldn't have done it in the same way as the 4th official though. That however doesn't make him or his actions racist, in my opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lovecraft Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Nunya Business said: So the Romanian referee is a British police officer? Huge if true. Na. He was sacked for racism. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sooperstar Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Nunya Business said: Why? Are you worried your daft views become public knowledge? No, I've always been very open about my identity on here. You were clearly using it as an 'i know who you are' though, which as I said is a bit weird. Crack on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Morgan Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gone said: Think the fact he said it in his language and used the n word hasn't helped things. Surely regardless of where you're from you know that you can't be saying that? Well, I didn’t know that the ‘n’ word had been used. That, undoubtedly changes things. No need for that sort of crap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Newton51 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, Nunya Business said: Nah mate, instead of just identifying someone by bringing the referee to them, you're better just boiling it down to the colour of his skin. Because that's the only thing identifiable about him. UEFA is aware of an incident during tonight’s Champions League match between Paris Saint-Germain and Istanbul Basaksehir and will be conducting a thorough investigation. Racism, and discrimination in all its forms, has no place within football. #NoToRacism Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nunya Business Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, Sooperstar said: No, I've always been very open about my identity on here. You were clearly using it as an 'i know who you are' though, which as I said is a bit weird. Crack on. Whereas trying to tell other people what is and isn't racist is fairly reasoned behaviour. Dear oh dear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pasquale for King Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gone said: Think the fact he said it in his language and used the n word hasn't helped things. Surely regardless of where you're from you know that you can't be saying that? He actually looked shocked that there was such a fuss being made, some folk don’t actually realise they’re in the wrong or what they’re saying can be construed as racist. UEFA should’ve got him away from the stadium, shows how little they actually care about this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Sooperstar Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nunya Business said: Whereas trying to tell other people what is and isn't racist is fairly reasoned behaviour. Dear oh dear. Isn't that exactly what you are doing? I'm uneasy about the 4th official being deemed a racist for using a descriptive term to identity someone. I don't think it does the wider debate any good when there are more blatant and undeniable examples of racism on a regular basis.Simple as that. I'll leave you to construct whatever narrative you like around that. As a general point it is good to see players willing to take such a stand so well done to them for that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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