GinRummy Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Just now, kingantti1874 said: You think being at war with everyone is sustainable? You think it will do us any favours off the pitch or on it? It won’t.. so spell it out to me. Why do we benefit having good ongoing relationships with the clubs who voted to demote us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 23 minutes ago, iainmac said: Maybe but things don't move on from "Only Hearts" to "right you are St Mirren" within weeks! The club's credibility amongst it's own fans has been jeopardised with this. By the same token, I was a little surprised we played them in a closed door friendly. Why them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 I agree with those who opine that it shows magnanimity and - who knows - might prove useful in the long run (not entirely sure just how) but us getting the SPFL out of a hole really does stick in the craw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 28 minutes ago, iainmac said: My point was, if we had said "no", our hand couldn't have been forced by the SPFL. How? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: How? If we had said "no", what were the SPFL going to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_the_legend Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, iainmac said: If we had said "no", what were the SPFL going to do? we could easily have used worries about the players health and the broader risk to the team from Covid as a very valid reason to tell them to bolt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, iainmac said: If we had said "no", what were the SPFL going to do? Not our problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 41 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: By refusing to postpone the game the SPFL forced the issue on hearts and st.mirren. If we hadn’t been asked by both we wouldn’t have offered is what I’m saying. You're pitching this as if we didn't have any say in whether we loan our players, or not. Not the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Adam_the_legend said: we could easily have used worries about the players health and the broader risk to the team from Covid as a very valid reason to tell them to bolt. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Nookie Bear said: Not our problem. Erm.... exactly what I'm saying. Have you misread one of my posts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 24 minutes ago, GinRummy said: so spell it out to me. Why do we benefit having good ongoing relationships with the clubs who voted to demote us? I suspect this is less about building a relationship with St Mirren and more about trying to not be a pariah. We want a voice at the league table, and we don’t want to give refs any excuses more than they already have to shaft us it’s too soon for me .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, iainmac said: Erm.... exactly what I'm saying. Have you misread one of my posts? More than likely 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDevriesScores4 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Looking forward to the return of favours from clubs we provide charity/free players to. Ill not hold my breath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: I suspect this is less about building a relationship with St Mirren and more about trying to not be a pariah. We want a voice at the league table, and we don’t want to give refs any excuses more than they already have to shaft us it’s too soon for me .. Aye maybe. The sceptic in me thinks that having a voice, if your club isn’t rangers or Celtic is a complete waste of time. Refs will **** us over regardless and trying to make friends with these wanks is a waste of time. They’ll **** us over the next time they get a chance as well. Should we just continuously try to build bridges regardless of how many times they shaft us? Or when is enough actually enough and we only do things that directly benefit us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 2 hours ago, soonbe110 said: I believe they probably did and we agreed. Reached out for our help? You do realise the difference between reaching out to try and make amends, and reaching out for a handout, aye? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryheart Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 57 minutes ago, GinRummy said: so spell it out to me. Why do we benefit having good ongoing relationships with the clubs who voted to demote us? Revenge is a dish best served cold. It's about picking your time and we had nothing to gain or lose from this. Be patient - as with all enemy clubs our position will become clear when it really matters, unlike today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 minute ago, henryheart said: Revenge is a dish best served cold. It's about picking your time and we had nothing to gain or lose from this. Be patient - as with all enemy clubs our position will become clear when it really matters, unlike today. I’ve no way of proving or disproving what you say. I admire your optimism though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, kingantti1874 said: You think being at war with everyone is sustainable? You think it will do us any favours off the pitch or on it? It won’t.. You think St Mirren as a club will give a flying **** that we leant them a player in their time of need in a fortnighs time ? They won't ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Simple fact is that the club has shit in its own nest in doing this. Unnecessary and really silly. Why we are doing the SPFL s bidding is utterly unbelievable. St Mirren should have been left without a keeper and the SPFL would have been forced to call off the games. No matter what Celtic wanted. Two aspects to this helping St Cheeting and helping the SPFL out of a hole if their own making. Two organisations that thought nothing of shitting on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Deevers said: Simple fact is that the club has shit in its own nest in doing this. Unnecessary and really silly. Why we are doing the SPFL s bidding is utterly unbelievable. St Mirren should have been left without a keeper and the SPFL would have been forced to call off the games. No matter what Celtic wanted. Two aspects to this helping St Cheeting and helping the SPFL out of a hole if their own making. Two organisations that thought nothing of shitting on us. St Mirren would have had to play an outfield player in goal. It wouldn't have been postponed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 I, like many others, wasn’t happy about this when it happened. But maybe it will change the narrative against us for little cost. We are never going to win by not picking our fights. We can’t go on for years with no positive thought towards Hearts, or we are going to lose out a lot more in the future. It would have been better, though, had St Mirren, and their fans, not been having constant digs at us over the summer, the latest being only this week. Time will tell if we continue to be the whipping boys for the likes of St Mirren and the Scottish media. If we do, then it would certainly be wise that Hearts pointed out the hostility towards us when the next favour is asked of us. Incidentaly, will we get rental money from the SFA for the Under 21international match at Tynecastle? No reason why not, so maybe a wee bit protection of future income there? I know. I’m clutching at straws and trying to be positive about an annoyingly bad situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, henryheart said: Revenge is a dish best served cold. It's about picking your time and we had nothing to gain or lose from this. Be patient - as with all enemy clubs our position will become clear when it really matters, unlike today. We had the perfect opportunity to potentially screw 3 Premiership matches by a simple 'No'. That seems like a decent bit of revenge in my book. As well as telling the SFA to ram their request to use Tynecastle for U21 games. Of course, our soft as shite board would never do anything like that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gedster Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Just now, davemclaren said: St Mirren would have had to play an outfield player in goal. It wouldn't have been postponed. And in a way it would have suitably summed up the tin pot leadership Scottish football has.............reap what you sew and all that........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDevriesScores4 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Expect Raith and Dundee to be on the blower to hearts shortly asking if they can borrow players for free too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, davemclaren said: St Mirren would have had to play an outfield player in goal. It wouldn't have been postponed. Well actually tough. It would ha e shown up the SPFL for the inept corrupt organisation that it actually is. No way would they have allowed that to happen if either of the Old Filth were in that position. High time we all stopped making it easy for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeDiouf Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, kingantti1874 said: You think being at war with everyone is sustainable? You think it will do us any favours off the pitch or on it? It won’t.. You thinkg being 'friends' makes any difference 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDevriesScores4 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 The one thing that has come to light however is if Celtic or Rangers now have Covid cases this season, the games must go ahead regardless. Otherwise the SPFL will have shown favouritism again. Celtic and Aberdeen have already been given a get out of jail card each this season. That can’t happen again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MarkDevriesScores4 said: The one thing that has come to light however is if Celtic or Rangers now have Covid cases this season, the games must go ahead regardless. Otherwise the SPFL will have shown favouritism again. Celtic and Aberdeen have already been given a get out of jail card each this season. That can’t happen again. It’s happened once and the tone has been set for them. If you think they would not be treated differently from everyone else then you are daft. The organisation and its make up is now totally there for their benefit. High time the dullards that infest the boards of all the other clubs realised this. Edited September 12, 2020 by Deevers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGorgie Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, MarkDevriesScores4 said: The one thing that has come to light however is if Celtic or Rangers now have Covid cases this season, the games must go ahead regardless. Otherwise the SPFL will have shown favouritism again. Celtic and Aberdeen have already been given a get out of jail card each this season. That can’t happen again. Almost certain if it had been Celtic, the game would have been called off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, OmiyaHearts said: We had the perfect opportunity to potentially screw 3 Premiership matches by a simple 'No'. That seems like a decent bit of revenge in my book. As well as telling the SFA to ram their request to use Tynecastle for U21 games. Of course, our soft as shite board would never do anything like that though. Why wouldn’t we want U21 games at our ground, we moaned for years that we didn’t get enough of these matches. People going OTT about this loan deal. I hate st midden as anyone else but we can’t just continually fight the whole of scottish fitba, there is only one winner. What we can do is get our act together on the pitch and get back to where we should be and give all these shitey wee clubs what they deserve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 minute ago, OldGorgie said: Almost certain if it had been Celtic, the game would have been called off. Of course it would. Only the really stupid think that they would have been treated like everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 14 minutes ago, Deevers said: Well actually tough. It would ha e shown up the SPFL for the inept corrupt organisation that it actually is. No way would they have allowed that to happen if either of the Old Filth were in that position. High time we all stopped making it easy for them. I’m not concerned at that just pointing out it wouldn’t have been postponed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Dance Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 A ****ing joke, IMO. Shouldn’t even have answered the phone. Club have taken the piss out of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 18 minutes ago, gedster said: And in a way it would have suitably summed up the tin pot leadership Scottish football has.............reap what you sew and all that........ They want all games to go ahead if at all possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Just now, OldGorgie said: Almost certain if it had been Celtic, the game would have been called off. It’s funny when it’s not happening to us!... wonder if it will ever sink in to those teams. There is the uglies - and then there is everyone else. Genuinely glad not to be a part of the shit show that is the Premier (OF) League for a season. Let’s just sit back and laugh at all the other pathetic tinpot clubs that thought it was clever to side with shellick/spfl over the last few months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, davemclaren said: I’m not concerned at that just pointing out it wouldn’t have been postponed. Exactly Dave. I’m just fed up of folk trying to make out that on some way the SPFL operate in a fair and equitable manner. Had it been Celtic that position it would have been. Edited September 12, 2020 by Deevers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Just now, Rogue Daddy said: It’s funny when it’s not happening to us!... wonder if it will ever sink in to those teams. There is the uglies - and then there is everyone else. Genuinely glad not to be a part of the shit show that is the Premier (OF) League for a season. Let’s just sit back and laugh at all the other pathetic tinpot clubs that thought it was clever to side with shellick/spfl over the last few months. Will it even have the opportunity to happen to us? There's no testing in the Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gedster Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Just now, davemclaren said: They want all games to go ahead if at all possible. Indeed, but overseeing a farce.........an outfield player in goals whilst other games have been postponed....... even the knuckleheads at SPFL couldn't recover from that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, OmiyaHearts said: Will it even have the opportunity to happen to us? There's no testing in the Championship. None in the Betfred either? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Mikey Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, davemclaren said: They want all games to go ahead if at all possible. Of course they do ... when it suits them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, JackLadd said: None in the Betfred either? As far as I'm aware, no team in the lower divisions need to test this season, whatever the tournament. It'd be pointless testing part timers on a Tuesday, when they have to work for days then a game on the Saturday. As pointless as testing the refs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Wee Mikey said: Of course they do ... when it suits them! And that’s the major problem with the game here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 23 minutes ago, OmiyaHearts said: Will it even have the opportunity to happen to us? There's no testing in the Championship. I was more referring to the treatment the OF get compared to everyone else, double-standards etc. but you’re right, we may not get the opportunity. If fans aren’t getting into grounds this year, I’ll doubt we even kick off. The tinpots in the lower leagues can’t afford to play BCD... so yet again, we’ll be punished (and the other handful of ‘professional’ clubs. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Maybe just me, but I get really fed up of folk thinking that there is nothing that can be done about the abject corruption at the heart of the game here. It takes clubs to rise up and take these people on. Sitting.back and accepting the shit should just not be an option. The clubs that make up the SPFL really need to waken up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGorgie Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Deevers said: Maybe just me, but I get really fed up of folk thinking that there is nothing that can be done about the abject corruption at the heart of the game here. It takes clubs to rise up and take these people on. Sitting.back and accepting the shit should just not be an option. The clubs that make up the SPFL really need to waken up. It’ll never happen because the tinpot clubs of the SPFL rely on the uglies for income. We don’t and that’s the difference. Aberdeen maybe as well but Hibs are basically a Celtic tribute act and go along with anything Smeltic say. Edited September 12, 2020 by OldGorgie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Ewan Murray @mrewanmurray It’s been hilarious to see and hear so many people as now suddenly concerned with the sporting validity of the SPFL Quote Tweet Jamie Langfield @jamlang22 · 2h Thank you to Bobby for stepping up to the plate and bailing us out. If he hadn’t it would have been me or an outfielder in goals today and that totally dilutes the top league in our country in my eyes. Show this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryheart Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 54 minutes ago, gedster said: Indeed, but overseeing a farce.........an outfield player in goals whilst other games have been postponed....... even the knuckleheads at SPFL couldn't recover from that I'm not quite sure what there is to recover from? Games have gone ahead in the past when there was no other goalkeeper available and an outfield player has had to stand in. We had to play at Aberdeen with Ian Baird in goal for the whole 90 minutes. We were a victim of circumstances, we certainly didn't make a fuss and it was not ideal, but the game wasn't a farce, we lost 3-2 and it was hardly the end of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gedster Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Just now, henryheart said: I'm not quite sure what there is to recover from? Games have gone ahead in the past when there was no other goalkeeper available and an outfield player has had to stand in. We had to play at Aberdeen with Ian Baird in goal for the whole 90 minutes. We were a victim of circumstances, we certainly didn't make a fuss and it was not ideal, but the game wasn't a farce, we lost 3-2 and it was hardly the end of the world. As you well know unless you're too young........Baird circumstances were on match day, not day before........apples/pears etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Wee Mikey said: Of course they do ... when it suits them! I don't think Dave gets the irony of his post. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourcandles Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Diabolical decision, no excuses, helping out that pointless nonentity of a club is unforgivable. shame on you Budge you’re so out of touch with the fans who plough their hard earned into the club it’s pathetic. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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