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32 minutes ago, S Form said:

Anyone who thinks that Douglas Ross has stuck his neb in for any other reason than to have a pop at the Scottish government is seriously deluded.


A football man sticking up for football clubs? Can’t see much wrong with that so give the guy some credit.

 

Unless of course you are just desperate for political point scoring?

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Just now, DMR123 said:


A football man sticking up for football clubs? Can’t see much wrong with that so give the guy some credit.

 

Unless of course you are just desperate for political point scoring?

 

 

That would be Ross. That's basically his entire career in one sentence.

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41 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Absolutely correct, a point missed by many. 
It’s the small clubs together with a few top league clubs that don’t sell many or any season tickets that would benefit from some fans returning. As well as the tv companies in terms of atmosphere at games. 

 

 

Yeah, makes no difference financially to us. Just denies Jambos the chance to see their team in person. I'm happy for no fans to continue to increase the discomfort of other teams. A few 100 will make zero difference to the atmosphere in bigger grounds. I don't see why the small teams with stadiums that only get 100 or so anyhow can't have fans back though.

 

in the Premiership, Hamilton and any others that didn't sell STs (or not very many Sts) will be in deep doodoo the longer this goes on. Celtic and Rangers I assume mainly want crowds for the competitive advantage on the pitch it can give them at home. Shame for them all it's not going to happen.

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2 hours ago, Rods said:

 

You mean like reconstruction which AB ended up leading? 

 

Furthermore what have the rest of the clubs got to do with Hearts? I dont want to even hear about us offering up solutions. AB offered solutions previously through reconstruction she got absolutely ridiculed by those chairmen and the fans of these clubs. I wonder who the other clubs that turned up.

 

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. 

 

 

I think it was all the lower league clubs and Hearts were mentioned by Ross (for his own profile reasons) as the highest profile one which led to the headline making out it was all about Hearts. In reality we were just there to ensure it's not just the Premiership clubs and the SPFL politicians are talking to.

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1 minute ago, neilnunb said:

 

So long as it's means tested from the bottom up, with a focus on clubs being able to fulfil lower league fixtures, that's fine.

 

If leagues and fixtures still don't go ahead and lower league clubs still don't test while Premiership clubs get relief though....

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The SG should ONLY offer loans to clubs and not grants - repayable over say 5 years. That will restrain the money-grabbing tendencies of Leanne et al.

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1 minute ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

The SG should ONLY offer loans to clubs and not grants - repayable over say 5 years. That will restrain the money-grabbing tendencies Of Leanne eat al.

 

 

Grants are fines as typically grantees have appropriate criteria they have to meet to get them, and measurement mechanisms are usually in place to ensure the money is spent where it's meant to be spent. Kind of agree that loans for Premiership clubs only should be the way to go, with grant for everyone else

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14 minutes ago, DMR123 said:


A football man sticking up for football clubs? Can’t see much wrong with that so give the guy some credit.

 

Unless of course you are just desperate for political point scoring?

He could just be taking into consideration that Douglas Ross is a total cock. 

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17 minutes ago, DMR123 said:


A football man sticking up for football clubs? Can’t see much wrong with that so give the guy some credit.

 

Unless of course you are just desperate for political point scoring?

Of course but don't be drawn in by politicians potentially making false promises that can't be fulfilled, but blaming others.  (Across all parties, politicians of course)

 

If Ross can come up with a plan notably to get significant amounts of money from WM to prop up lower league Scottish football, lobbying WM to release restrictions on sports. leisure and arts across UK, getting a set of no doubt restrictive parameters agreed with SG to allow fans to attend and same fans attending buying in to these restrictions 100% and biding by them, well played.  

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5 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

Of course but don't be drawn in by politicians potentially making false promises that can't be fulfilled, but blaming others.  (Across all parties, politicians of course)

 

If Ross can come up with a plan notably to get significant amounts of money from WM to prop up lower league Scottish football, lobbying WM to release restrictions on sports. leisure and arts across UK, getting a set of no doubt restrictive parameters agreed with SG to allow fans to attend and same fans attending buying in to these restrictions 100% and biding by them, well played.  

 

The Tories will try anything to win votes in Scotland. Won't work of course 😆

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12 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

The SG should ONLY offer loans to clubs and not grants - repayable over say 5 years. That will restrain the money-grabbing tendencies of Leanne et al.


No Premiership clubs should be given any money by the Scottish government. Neither should we tbf

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Another interesting point English made tonight on the back of no showering with lower league clubs, on the face of it seems bizarre but how many us disagree with specialist view but won't accept criticism of our own expertise.

 

Anyway, he mentioned e.g QoS and travelling they will need to do and players can't travel.  He also pretty much said any club budgeting for a decent number of fans by now were 'stupid'

 

If only some folk could have suggested that leagues really should have been restructured on the ability to be fully Covid testing compliant, budgeting for no fans for a season then everything regionalised or mothballed......

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6 minutes ago, Rods said:


my money going to save these rats.

 

I am still waiting for this to benefit everyone except Hearts.

 

This is why it's right that we are represented at all relevant meetings that we can attend. Obviously a Douglas Ross meeting is far less beneficial than one with the SG but we need to ensure that our voice is heard where we can.

 

Just because we won't go bust doesn't mean that we are not also struggling.

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5 minutes ago, Hungry hippo said:

 

This is why it's right that we are represented at all relevant meetings that we can attend. Obviously a Douglas Ross meeting is far less beneficial than one with the SG but we need to ensure that our voice is heard where we can.

 

Just because we won't go bust doesn't mean that we are not also struggling.


We are struggling due to the clubs on the call.

 

Its the SFA/SPFL job to get funding not on us to help them do their job(again) 

 

Looks like they have got funding so all this is irrelevant. 

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If my tax goes to any of these rats then I will be raging.  Chucking tax money to clubs who are paying thousands to players and paying 6-7 figure transfer fees. They can GTF.

 

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Glad I no longer pay UK taxes. The idea of Hector sending a cheque to that nice Mr Mulraney and others is gut wrenching.

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30 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said:

Was listening to this on EFL last week. National League gettin bailed out by UK gov.

 

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Old news from a few weeks ago.

 

Meantime if the EPL 'bailout' has gone from £200 million to £50 million there's still time for some more money in loan fees for domestic transfer window till Oct 16th. 

 

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1 hour ago, DMR123 said:


A football man sticking up for football clubs? Can’t see much wrong with that so give the guy some credit.

 

Unless of course you are just desperate for political point scoring?

He’s not a football guy speaking up for football clubs, he’s a Tory politician looking to have a go at the SNP. If you believe different I suggest you are being a little naive.

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11 minutes ago, S Form said:

He’s not a football guy speaking up for football clubs, he’s a Tory politician looking to have a go at the SNP. If you believe different I suggest you are being a little naive.


Not naive - I believe that he is well intentioned. And why shouldn’t the SNP be challenged - every Government should be held to account.

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3 hours ago, Rods said:

 

Time for you to reasses what the SFA/SPFL should be doing.

 

Why did Ross not discuss with the SPFL board and SFA? This is reconstruction all over again AB involved and doing the work others highly paid others should be doing. 

 

Why are we even involved we dont need help and we offered solutions back in April.

 

Let the clubs rot I say.

Ross is employed by the SFA ..... but he's not part of their governance.  Cut him a bit of slack, and consider that perhaps he's actually wanting to hear from the "horses' mouths"  what their fears and worries are - given that he'll likely have detected the increasingly poor chemistry between Doncaster and the SG.  Sure, Ross is a politician looking for some traction & positive publicity as a new leader - but as others have said, it's better to have a politician show a direct interest in this, rather than not show interest at all.

 

Interesting that the EEN story quotes Ross as mentioning Hearts by name - not sure why he would do that though. "I’ll be bringing forward options to keep clubs like Heart of Midlothian afloat in the near future because there’s no doubt that they need our help".

I'd have thought we would be in a better position than most - but maybe I'm wrong.       What are your concerns about Budge being involved ?   Do you actually think she'd try to divert some of our FoH money to this "fighting fund"   ?

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Maybe some people in Government or Opposition looked at the failure to give Hearts, Partick and Stanraer compensation as encouraging letting clubs find their own solutions. 

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3 minutes ago, DMR123 said:


Not naive - I believe that he is well intentioned. And why shouldn’t the SNP be challenged - every Government should be held to account.

Politicians of all stripes are mostly egomaniacs who are interested in only two things - promoting themselves and doing down their opponents. That’s why I agree that every Government should be held to account. And it’s why Douglas Ross is in this for his own agenda, not for the good of Scottish football.

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Tax payers money going to save the likes of Peterhead and Elgin.... painful

 

I know some will take offense to that but my Christ there is a lot of pointless clubs around

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3 minutes ago, S Form said:

Politicians of all stripes are mostly egomaniacs who are interested in only two things - promoting themselves and doing down their opponents. That’s why I agree that every Government should be held to account. And it’s why Douglas Ross is in this for his own agenda, not for the good of Scottish football.

Ok - let’s agree to disagree, but as He is an individual directly involved in Scottish Football as a grade one official, I am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt , that he has a genuine interest in helping Scottish Football.

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6 minutes ago, Gone said:

Tax payers money going to save the likes of Peterhead and Elgin.... painful

 

I know some will take offense to that but my Christ there is a lot of pointless clubs around


They’re not pointless but they’ve no business mixing in the same circles as clubs like ours 

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33 minutes ago, S Form said:

He’s not a football guy speaking up for football clubs, he’s a Tory politician looking to have a go at the SNP. If you believe different I suggest you are being a little naive.

 

 

100%

He sees a way in and is taking advantage. 

Snivelling we rat. 

 

Football should be treated the same as other entertainment, I'm sure both governments have gave it consideration. 

 

A football guy.. FFS. 

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2 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

100%

He sees a way in and is taking advantage. 

Snivelling we rat. 

 

Football should be treated the same as other entertainment, I'm sure both governments have gave it consideration. 

 

A football guy.. FFS. 

 

In fairness, he is an official so i imagine he likes the sport and isn't some sort of hooray henry latching onto football to get voters from the peasants

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3 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

In fairness, he is an official so i imagine he likes the sport and isn't some sort of hooray henry latching onto football to get voters from the peasants

 

Tbh, I'm not sure any official is a football person, maybe they are tho. 

 

Never hear Willie c being called a football person, ffs Doncaster runs the game and if he's a football person I'm a nun. 

 

I think he's the latter and a look at his voting record backs me up on that. 

 

A wee selfish, opportunistic, tory praying on the emotions of folk in the middle of a pandemic to gain points with the voter. Imo Ofc. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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35 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

Ross is employed by the SFA ..... but he's not part of their governance.  Cut him a bit of slack, and consider that perhaps he's actually wanting to hear from the "horses' mouths"  what their fears and worries are - given that he'll likely have detected the increasingly poor chemistry between Doncaster and the SG.  Sure, Ross is a politician looking for some traction & positive publicity as a new leader - but as others have said, it's better to have a politician show a direct interest in this, rather than not show interest at all.

 

Interesting that the EEN story quotes Ross as mentioning Hearts by name - not sure why he would do that though. "I’ll be bringing forward options to keep clubs like Heart of Midlothian afloat in the near future because there’s no doubt that they need our help".

I'd have thought we would be in a better position than most - but maybe I'm wrong.       What are your concerns about Budge being involved ?   Do you actually think she'd try to divert some of our FoH money to this "fighting fund"   ?


My concerns should be your concerns. Budge has been done up before remember? It was reconstruction the SPFL run her around like an idiot. Now Douglas Ross is doing the same except he is using our name for political gain. 
 

Hearts offered solutions previously they got knocked back there was no thanks it was a case of take your medicine. Now we are at the table with these clubs looking to offer opinions. 
 

Some real short memories on this board. 
 

If we are to be represented at these meeting it’s should be to serve a reminder to these rats on what happend previously. 

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Rods said:


My concerns should be your concerns. Budge has been done up before remember? It was reconstruction the SPFL run her around like an idiot. Now Douglas Ross is doing the same except he is using our name for political gain. 
 

Hearts offered solutions previously they got knocked back there was no thanks it was a case of take your medicine. Now we are at the table with these clubs looking to offer opinions. 
 

Some real short memories on this board. 
 

If we are to be represented at these meeting it’s should be to serve a reminder to these rats on what happend previously. 

 

 

Pathetic post once more

 

Just a sad little attempt to tar the owner and by implication the club....No short memory here and we can clearly see the pattern in your posting history

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1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Old news from a few weeks ago.

 

Meantime if the EPL 'bailout' has gone from £200 million to £50 million there's still time for some more money in loan fees for domestic transfer window till Oct 16th. 

 

 

my point in bringing it up was that if English clubs are to get bailed, it's got to happen for Scottish clubs also.

 

As much as I'm pissed at the rest of Scottish Football (outside of the Premiership), if they had voted to keep us in the Premiership,  they would still be in the exact same position now. No money coming in through the gates.

 

The likes of Hamilton, St Mirren, Muppets can all suffer to **** as far as I'm concerned.

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1 minute ago, Tommy Brown said:

 

my point in bringing it up was that if English clubs are to get bailed, it's got to happen for Scottish clubs also.

 

As much as I'm pissed at the rest of Scottish Football (outside of the Premiership), if they had voted to keep us in the Premiership,  they would still be in the exact same position now. No money coming in through the gates.

 

The likes of Hamilton, St Mirren, Muppets can all suffer to **** as far as I'm concerned.

 

It is curious it's taking so long. 

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2 hours ago, Tommy Brown said:

Was listening to this on EFL last week. National League gettin bailed out by UK gov.

 

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Agreed that the figures quoted are obscene. But it's not really the responsibility of bigger clubs to keep smaller clubs that are operating above their means in many cases. It's a bit like asking Weatherspoons to bail out my local pub.

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14 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

Pathetic post once more

 

Just a sad little attempt to tar the owner and by implication the club....No short memory here and we can clearly see the pattern in your posting history


Another Ann Budge ego trip. 
 

We should not been near any of these meetings especially ones that are pointless. 

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1 minute ago, Rods said:


Another Ann Budge ego trip. 
 

We should not been near any of these meetings especially ones that are pointless. 

Correct.

 

Unless we are asking why our opponents aren't testing.

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1 hour ago, Rods said:


Another Ann Budge ego trip. 
 

We should not been near any of these meetings especially ones that are pointless. 

Maybe I'm missing something ....but if  Douglas Ross invited some of or all of the 42 clubs to a zoom call to get them to tell him their financial outlook/struggles and what they want the SG to do,  why is that something which AB should have refused to take part in ?  

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1 hour ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Correct.

 

Unless we are asking why our opponents aren't testing.

That's a question for Doncaster to answer ....not Douglas Ross, though

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4 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

Maybe I'm missing something ....but if  Douglas Ross invited some of or all of the 42 clubs to a zoom call to get them to tell him their financial outlook/struggles and what they want the SG to do,  why is that something which AB should have refused to take part in ?  


Wtf is Ross’ role in this though? What clout does he have? If you’re asking me, he’s fishing for votes further down the line.

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I think with all other businesses going bust and looking for help I don't think this will happen even politicians aren't that stupid ,they will know clubs have been spending money on transfers and high wages there are people losing jobs left right and centre .This is just another ploy to put pressure on Mrs krankie to get fans back ,these arseholes should just get used to the fact there will be stricter lockdown measures coming and there will be zero fans in stadiums this season as Sunack said not every business can be saved and there are far more deserving businesses out there needing help what makes tin pot clubs think they are a special case

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1 hour ago, buzzbomb1958 said:

I think with all other businesses going bust and looking for help I don't think this will happen even politicians aren't that stupid ,they will know clubs have been spending money on transfers and high wages there are people losing jobs left right and centre .This is just another ploy to put pressure on Mrs krankie to get fans back ,these arseholes should just get used to the fact there will be stricter lockdown measures coming and there will be zero fans in stadiums this season as Sunack said not every business can be saved and there are far more deserving businesses out there needing help what makes tin pot clubs think they are a special case

Going back to Saturday I followed Mulraney for a while on Twitter and it was pretty obvious he despises the SG-SNP.

 

Ok, maybe it was just coincidence that Ross met with clubs on Friday, listened to concerns, Doncaster and Mulraney went on Sportsound making political accusations and by Monday the press was reporting Ross making all sorts of solutions that is available to only football of the 'entertainment' industry that the SG should fund, despite the SG working through the potential 'sports survival' additional budget from Westminster prioritisation process.

 

That said it does appear that it has proved successful as Joe Fitzpatrick looks to have promised funding.  Now whether it was because of the Ross meeting, the Doncaster, Mulraney  plea and accusations on Saturday or funding was coming anyway,  is just atypical of the way politics work.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, buzzbomb1958 said:

I think with all other businesses going bust and looking for help I don't think this will happen even politicians aren't that stupid ,they will know clubs have been spending money on transfers and high wages there are people losing jobs left right and centre .This is just another ploy to put pressure on Mrs krankie to get fans back ,these arseholes should just get used to the fact there will be stricter lockdown measures coming and there will be zero fans in stadiums this season as Sunack said not every business can be saved and there are far more deserving businesses out there needing help what makes tin pot clubs think they are a special case

 

I am no fan of Sturgeon but she is the last person who will be buckling under pressure from the likes of Doncaster.

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As the Championship downwards is lumped in with amateur sport I foresee tonight’s game being our last for a while once further restrictions are announed tomorrow.

 

If the Betfred and Championship are canned there’s no way we can play that semi final tie.

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1 minute ago, Boab Mugabe said:

As the Championship downwards is lumped in with amateur sport I foresee tonight’s game being our last for a while once further restrictions are announed tomorrow.

 

If the Betfred and Championship are canned there’s no way we can play that semi final tie.

Might not be a bad thing.

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1 hour ago, Boab Mugabe said:

As the Championship downwards is lumped in with amateur sport I foresee tonight’s game being our last for a while once further restrictions are announed tomorrow.

 

If the Betfred and Championship are canned there’s no way we can play that semi final tie.


Agreed. If the season is burst then absolutely no way should we play in the Scottish Cup.

 

Not convinced they’ll can the Championship though. Might be naive but I reckon the bottom two leagues will go first.

 

 

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As an unashamed Tory,  I had no qualms about Ian Murray using his position as an MP to put on another hat and help Hearts through the crisis’s we have been in.  I have no qualms about Ross who has another hat and cares about the game as a whole.

My qualms are as a taxpayer I don’t want one penny to go to any of the 42 clubs.  Money gets pumped in, money gets spent faster than Usain Bolt being chased by a gang of skinheads.  The responsibility of the 42 clubs is the sole problem of the clubs, their owners, shareholders and fans.  They all have the right to shore up their own business that in the great scheme of things is better off than the leisure, tourism or travel industries.

 

Football is one vote away from distributing TV money and sponsorship equally out to all 42 clubs.  Myself as a shareholder and FoH member it’s my decision to continue to put whatever cash I can afford into keeping Hearts afloat and once we come out of this be stronger than everybody else.

 

Ross is doing what the SPFL and the SFA should be doing to warrant their salaries, getting the football community to support those most in need and worthy of that support based on FFP and to help with the grass roots.

 

If football had rallied around everybody and first and foremost did NO harm, then we could all do our bit to help each other.  Doncaster is on £400k per year yet not one penny of that has came up with a strategy to help the game.  James Anderson  put in enough money to buy clubs this amount of time, and that time has been wasted.  The money James Anderson has put in would not cover the salaries of the top SPFL/SFA decision makers.  Perhaps the top execs could forfeit their salaries and bonuses and use that money to help?

 

This message to fans and chairmen of those clubs to who are on deaths door and will die!  What did you do to solicit your chairmen to push for fairness at the start of all of this?  We all hate the current structure we could have used fan power to push through reconstruction.  Chairmen in the Championship salivating at the thought of thousands of Hearts fans calling, oh dear what a shame the proposed boycott was not a threat and thankfully the Government has ensured that any supporter wavering at that.  Well No Fans at all is just Karma!  You stood back and let Doncaster thrive and Peter won’t save you with a rousing speech that led your clubs over the river Styx in a sieve canoe.

 

I would have helped you at your time of need, but I think I will take up the fiddle while Rome burns.

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