Black Lives Matter Protest.

[Justin Z]

6 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

This is hands down the worst thread on JKB. Burn the ****ing thing down. Honestly, horrendous reading and I only started at page 38 or so. 

 

Hard to find anything to poke holes in here

[Dawnrazor]

4 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

That's all well and good, but deep distrust of authority for authority's sake, and the desire to see authority held accountable when it murders and violates the rights of people, is not hatred. So again, dispense with the imaginary version in your head and address what's in black and white here.

 

To varying degrees, seeing the power of the state used unjustly against people ought to tug at all our heartstrings; surely even the most deeply authoritarian among us have a sense of fairness within them? I don't think that's an unreasonable tack.

Now, I get that, but you have just regurgitated a personal hatred for the police time and again without the slightest hint or acknowledgement of the difficulty of thier position. I totally get the distrust, I do, but you absolutely cast EVERY Police officer in the US as the Devil, and you know this isn't the case!!

I have as every bit the same sense of fairness as you, and others, but casting every police officer and force as "evil"is wrong and a big part of the problem, imo of course.

[Dawnrazor]

5 minutes ago, jake said:

It's cool so do I.

 

And me.

[jake]

1 minute ago, Beast Boy said:

Oh, far from it. I can be an utter utter *****. I try not to be, and I prefer not to be. I just dislike reading jaked up rightwing arseholes slavering horseshit, as though they are somehow more important than everyone else. You get a lot of that in the Shed these days. 
 

Like I said, I remember now why I generally try and avoid reading it. There’s good folks who post here too, right enough. Wouldn’t want to tar everyone with the same brush, eh?

 

Anyway. I’ll leave you to your angry drink fuelled rants, and inevitable apologetic soul-searching hangover 

Dont suffer hang overs.

And I always search my soul.

Only way to be .

 

I'm sober tonight .

But you do have a point.

😂

[Beast Boy]

1 minute ago, jake said:

Dont suffer hang overs.

And I always search my soul.

Only way to be .

 

I'm sober tonight .

But you do have a point.

😂

Nanight Jake. 

[jake]

Just now, Beast Boy said:

Nanight Jake. 

Coolio mate

[Dawnrazor]

2 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

See, in a perfect microcosm of what I was just saying, you didn't read what I said, and again immediately played the man. What I asked you was, if you knew the percentage of crimes police prevented or stopped. Not arrested the perpetrators after the fact, not prosecuted, but how much prevention and stopping of crime the police are actually responsible for.

 

I don't have any numbers in front of me. I'd venture to guess it's a fraction of a percent, but that's admittedly completely off the cuff.

 

The broader point of that question was to challenge the entire idea in your mind that you've never deconstructed—that police are even necessary in the first place. I'm not saying they aren't, but you make clear, every time, you've never thought about it. Even the very concept of police has only existed for a little more than a century and a half or so.

 

There are other alternatives. But your instant reaction is to pigeonhole and paint the entire premises of arguments sometimes, as black and white issues. That's not anyone else's fault but yours.

See, you just presume you're the only one who thinks about anything!!! This self righteous  sanctimonious attitide of yours shines through!!

I'd love for a police force "not to be necessary" but that is completey "Pollyanna" 

You say that I "instantly pigeon hole and plant"!!!!

You honestly can't see you do the exact same?

 

[jake]

3 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

And me.

Fek it mate.

Your views are as valid as anyones.

Theres certain posters who know how far to go.

Always speak your mind.

 

[Morgan]

1 hour ago, Dawnrazor said:

Don't flatter yourself😅

You couldn't fill on the forms ya welt so "getting into Scotland" or not, is your own sorry fault!!!

Your not i  my head, I have nothing but contempt and some sympathy for you, you can't even re read your posts and see the the double standards and hypocrisy in them. I've had a couple of beers after a hard day, and that's why I broke my promose not to respond to your self righteous woke sanctimonious drivel. I hope you need the help of the Police soon, I really do .

[Justin Z]

Just now, Dawnrazor said:

Now, I get that, but you have just regurgitated a personal hatred for the police time and again without the slightest hint or acknowledgement of the difficulty of thier position. I totally get the distrust, I do, but you absolutely cast EVERY Police officer in the US as the Devil, and you know this isn't the case!!

I have as every bit the same sense of fairness as you, and others, but casting every police officer and force as "evil"is wrong and a big part of the problem, imo of course.

 

Again: Have I? Or have I been talking about systemic issues as a whole, speaking of police behaviour broadly, and you have created an entire other idea out of whole cloth, based on that?

 

I worked as a lawyer. This included criminal defence. I've met many police officers, and I've met many prosecutors. By and large, I am not a fan of either, because I watch them work in concert not to find the truth—but to get convictions and plea deals, whether the person they've arrested is actually guilty of anything or not. I watch their supervisors defend egregious behaviour on their parts and protect those who engage in it. I watch judges give them every benefit of every doubt, even when they violate procedural and substantive constitutional rights of accused people. And I watch juries believe police officers like automatic clockwork even though they lie, routinely, on the witness stand, a practice police themselves coined a term for: "testilying".

 

And then, there are the cops and prosecutors I do like. They're genuinely interested in seeing justice served, and they're lovely people. However, even they don't do much to change the bent systems they work within, either because they can't, they won't, or if they try, they'll be disciplined or fired.

  

Just now, Dawnrazor said:

See, you just presume you're the only one who thinks about anything!!! This self righteous  sanctimonious attitide of yours shines through!!

 

No. I am pointing out a fault I perceive in you, and you alone, and which by replying like this you demonstrate is true about you, time and again: That you are a reactionary. It has nothing to do with me presuming anything. It's concluding based on the evidence you keep providing.

 

3 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

I'd love for a police force "not to be necessary" but that is completey "Pollyanna"

 

Why?

 

4 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

You say that I "instantly pigeon hole and plant"!!!!

You honestly can't see you do the exact same?

 

I might and I'm open to the idea that I might. Have you ever taken literal hours, as I patiently have for you—and am doing again—to try to explain in what way you think I've done that? Or have you always instantly posted like this, without saying how or why, every single time?

[Dawnrazor]

7 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

Again: Have I? Or have I been talking about systemic issues as a whole, speaking of police behaviour broadly, and you have created an entire other idea out of whole cloth, based on that?

 

I worked as a lawyer. This included criminal defence. I've met many police officers, and I've met many prosecutors. By and large, I am not a fan of either, because I watch them work in concert not to find the truth—but to get convictions and plea deals, whether the person they've arrested is actually guilty of anything or not. I watch their supervisors defend egregious behaviour on their parts and protect those who engage in it. I watch judges give them every benefit of every doubt, even when they violate procedural and substantive constitutional rights of accused people. And I watch juries believe police officers like automatic clockwork even though they lie, routinely, on the witness stand, a practice police themselves coined a term for: "testilying".

 

And then, there are the cops and prosecutors I do like. They're genuinely interested in seeing justice served, and they're lovely people. However, even they don't do much to change the bent systems they work within, either because they can't, they won't, or if they try, they'll be disciplined or fired.

  

 

No. I am pointing out a fault I perceive in you, and you alone, and which by replying like this you demonstrate is true about you, time and again: That you are a reactionary. It has nothing to do with me presuming anything. It's concluding based on the evidence you keep providing.

 

 

Why?

 

 

I might and I'm open to the idea that I might. Have you ever taken literal hours, as I patiently have for you—and am doing again—to try to explain in what way you think I've done that? Or have you always instantly posted like this, without saying how or why, every single time?

You've worked as a Lawyer? Really? You've never mentioned it before!!!

You can strip all the waffle in that post to ;

I'm right and you're wrong.

You've taken no time in reading any post.

 

[jake]

1 minute ago, Dawnrazor said:

You've worked as a Lawyer? Really? You've never mentioned it before!!!

You can strip all the waffle in that post to ;

I'm right and you're wrong.

You've taken no time in reading any post.

 

Mate dont bother.

Best leave him to the echo of his own arse

[Dawnrazor]

4 minutes ago, jake said:

Mate dont bother.

Best leave him to the echo of his own arse

I know mate, but its the shite he posts that needs challenging......see you in a month😅😅👍

[Justin Z]

1 minute ago, Dawnrazor said:

You've worked as a Lawyer? Really? You've never mentioned it before!!!

 

Not everyone has your memory of an elephant, mate.

 

3 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

You can strip all the waffle in that post to ;

I'm right and you're wrong.

You've taken no time in reading any post.

 

I really couldn't understand what you were saying here, since it had nothing to do with any of my questions to you just now. Thought maybe I was missing something, so I tried running it through Google Translate...

 

  

🤷‍♂️ May want to contact Google tech support? This was all I kept getting.

 

Either way, goodnight. Glad you enjoyed the beers.

[Dawnrazor]

40 minutes ago, Beast Boy said:

Oh, far from it. I can be an utter utter *****. I try not to be, and I prefer not to be. I just dislike reading jaked up rightwing arseholes slavering horseshit, as though they are somehow more important than everyone else. You get a lot of that in the Shed these days. 
 

Like I said, I remember now why I generally try and avoid reading it. There’s good folks who post here too, right enough. Wouldn’t want to tar everyone with the same brush, eh?

 

Anyway. I’ll leave you to your angry drink fuelled rants, and inevitable apologetic soul-searching hangover posts.

I've sent you an apology.

[Dawnrazor]

2 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

Not everyone has your memory of an elephant, mate.

 

 

I really couldn't understand what you were saying here, since it had nothing to do with any of my questions to you just now. Thought maybe I was missing something, so I tried running it through Google Translate...

 

  

🤷‍♂️ May want to contact Google tech support? This was all I kept getting.

 

Either way, goodnight. Glad you enjoyed the beers.

You couldn't understand what I was saying because it doesn't fit with your view, that is your problem.

The beers were great thanks, here's something I hope will help you in your future 👍

https://www.communicare.org.uk/form-filling/

[jake]

2 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

I've sent you an apology.

What for?

Hes the one being abusive

[jake]

1 minute ago, Dawnrazor said:

You couldn't understand what I was saying because it doesn't fit with your view, that is your problem.

The beers were great thanks, here's something I hope will help you in your future 👍

https://www.communicare.org.uk/form-filling/

Controversial

[Justin Z]

Just now, Dawnrazor said:

You couldn't understand what I was saying because it doesn't fit with your view, that is your problem.

The beers were great thanks, here's something I hope will help you in your future 👍

https://www.communicare.org.uk/form-filling/

 

The literal first thing on this page under the header

 

 

Oh man, you really nailed it with this one Thank you—truly.

[Dawnrazor]

2 minutes ago, jake said:

What for?

Hes the one being abusive

Aye, but I dropped to Justin's level and Beast Boy didn't deserve my crass and childish retort.

[Dawnrazor]

Just now, Justin Z said:

 

The literal first thing on this page under the header

 

 

Oh man, you really nailed it with this one Thank you—truly.

You missed the sarcasm as always.....thank you truly😅😅😅 

[jake]

3 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

Aye, but I dropped to Justin's level and Beast Boy didn't deserve my crass and childish retort.

So what.

 

[Dawnrazor]

Just now, jake said:

So what.

 

You've got me there😅👍

[Justin Z]

10 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

You missed the sarcasm as always.....thank you truly😅😅😅 

 

Ah yes, it was definitely not that you googled "immigration form filling help" and didn't actually read the link that came up in your results . . . rather it was your world-class sarcasm, unapprehended by Americans the world over. Or well even, just me. My mistake.

ᴵ ᵗʰᶦⁿᵏ ʸᵒᵘ ᵐᵃʸ ʰᵃᵛᵉ ᶠᵒᵒˡᵉᵈ ᵗʰᵉᵐ

 

Edited August 24, 2020 by Justin Z

[jake]

Dinnae bite razor.

Hes choking on it.

Hes a lawyer dontcha know.

[ri Alban]

19 minutes ago, jake said:

Dinnae bite razor.

Hes choking on it.

Hes a lawyer dontcha know.

Why are you getting involved? Is your own biased view  too hard to resist? 

Let them sort it out. 

Edited August 24, 2020 by ri Alban

[The Real Maroonblood]

17 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Why are you getting involved? Is your own biased view  too hard to resist? 

Let them sort it out. 

[Justin Z]

11 minutes ago, weehammy said:

Can’t believe all the hot air in here. Thought BLM was completely fixed now that UK footballers are ‘taking the knee’.

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

 

The pure performativeness of stuff like this has been roundly criticised from the start.

 

Great for winding up and outing racists, and little else. Certainly does nothing to provide tangible benefits or spur progress on these issues.

 

Edited August 25, 2020 by Justin Z

[Dawnrazor]

39 minutes ago, weehammy said:

Can’t believe all the hot air in here. Thought BLM was completely fixed now that UK footballers are ‘taking the knee’.

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

A few Sale Shark's players never "took the knee" at the last game and have recieved death threats!!

[Justin Z]

1 hour ago, Dawnrazor said:

A few Sale Shark's players never "took the knee" at the last game and have recieved death threats!!

Shocking response

[Cade]

Why would the not take a knee?

It doesn't cost them anything and only takes a moment.

Useless virtue signalling it may be, but it's no skin off their nose to do it.

Refusing to do it leads to suspicion that they are against equality.

Silly boys.

[Dawnrazor]

1 minute ago, Cade said:

 

Refusing to do it leads to suspicion that they are against equality.

Silly boys.

While wearing Rugby Against Racism T-Shirts and they weren't all White, it's a freedom of choice issue.

[Morgan]

Looks like this thread is kicking off again.   

[Sidelight]

3 hours ago, Dawnrazor said:

A few Sale Shark's players never "took the knee" at the last game and have recieved death threats!!

Chicago, Detroit, Minneapolis and the rest of the downtrodden ripped out cities of execution are controlled by who?

Injustice to Black’s look no further.

BLM, peaceful protest equates to violent delinquency.

[jack D and coke]

1 hour ago, Cade said:

Why would the not take a knee?

It doesn't cost them anything and only takes a moment.

Useless virtue signalling it may be, but it's no skin off their nose to do it.

Refusing to do it leads to suspicion that they are against equality.

Silly boys.

Receiving death threats for not doing it? In what universe is this acceptable? 

[JyTees]

22 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Receiving death threats for not doing it? In what universe is this acceptable? 

 

Just fall into line and "dae as yer telt".

 

The reasoning of the indoctrinated.

[Justin Z]

BDE.

 

[Justin Z]

4 hours ago, Cade said:

Why would the not take a knee?

It doesn't cost them anything and only takes a moment.

Useless virtue signalling it may be, but it's no skin off their nose to do it.

Refusing to do it leads to suspicion that they are against equality.

Silly boys.

 

Either way, the few folk responding to that with death threats is tragic. Yes, even more tragic than the attempt in this thread to point to that fringe, mental behaviour as if it's typical of the whole group.

 

Meanwhile, this kneeling business did nothing to prevent police officers from needlessly making Jacob Blake into a paraplegic.

 

Edited August 26, 2020 by Justin Z

[Justin Z]

"It's just a few bad apples, like you find in any occupation."

 

"The police only use force against rioters."

 

[ri Alban]

8 hours ago, Cade said:

Why would the not take a knee?

It doesn't cost them anything and only takes a moment.

Useless virtue signalling it may be, but it's no skin off their nose to do it.

Refusing to do it leads to suspicion that they are against equality.

Silly boys.

Arthritis? 

[ri Alban]

7 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Receiving death threats for not doing it? In what universe is this acceptable? 

It's pathetic! If I seen racist abuse in my life, taking a knee would be the last thing on my mind. Giving a knee to the ***** baws. 

I'm just sick of this mob calling everyone a racist. The fascists who masquerade as anti fascists.

 

 

I'm a socialist!

 

I'm sure you are, Aldolf!? 

Edited August 26, 2020 by ri Alban

[doctor jambo]

9 hours ago, Cade said:

Why would the not take a knee?

It doesn't cost them anything and only takes a moment.

Useless virtue signalling it may be, but it's no skin off their nose to do it.

Refusing to do it leads to suspicion that they are against equality.

Silly boys.

Oh great , another poppy debate

[jack D and coke]

7 hours ago, JyTees said:

 

Just fall into line and "dae as yer telt".

 

The reasoning of the indoctrinated.

 

12 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

It's pathetic! If I seen racist abuse in my life, taking a knee would be the last thing on my mind. Giving a knee to the ***** baws. 

I'm just sick of this mob calling everyone a racist. The fascists who masquerade as anti fascists.

 

 

I'm a socialist!

 

I'm sure you are, Aldolf!? 

I’ll say it again. BLM is doing a lot more damage to race relations than good. 
It has been hijacked by people who want something for free and are smashing you over the head with it if you don’t do as they demand. 
It’s about the most blatant and outrageous racist movement I’ve ever seen backed by violence and a scared and compliant media. 
Don’t take a knee and receive death threats now? FML get this shit in the bin now. Enough. 

[ri Alban]

3 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

 

I’ll say it again. BLM is doing a lot more damage to race relations than good. 
It has been hijacked by people who want something for free and are smashing you over the head with it if you don’t do as they demand. 
It’s about the most blatant and outrageous racist movement I’ve ever seen backed by violence and a scared and compliant media. 
Don’t take a knee and receive death threats now? FML get this shit in the bin now. Enough. 

It’s blatant. They're a bunch of anarchists who want the destruction of authority. And most want to have money for nothing. 

Twitter and Facebook could do with being subscription, anaw. 

Edited August 26, 2020 by ri Alban

[ri Alban]

Yes, there's a lot of dangerous out of control fecmers wearing a badge. But are you telling me that these black gangs all hold hands while singing Kumbaya. 

 

The way things are going these drug dealing murderers will be free to do as they please. Hopefully it's the enabler's hooses that they visit. 

Edited August 26, 2020 by ri Alban

[Weakened Offender]

18 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

These drug dealing murderers

 

What drug dealing murderers? 

[SE16 3LN]

Aaah, the black lives matter thread, where British and Scottish fanatics come together in their hatred of all things brown.

[jack D and coke]

14 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

Aaah, the black lives matter thread, where British and Scottish fanatics come together in their hatred of all things brown.

Ah the old race card again  
Youll find your home on anything hating Scotland bud👍🏼

[SE16 3LN]

17 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Ah the old race card again  
Youll find your home on anything hating Scotland bud👍🏼

Nationalism is the hotbed of racism bud. Defending the shooting of unarmed black people is racist whatever flag you're shagging.

[jack D and coke]

21 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

Nationalism is the hotbed of racism bud. Defending the shooting of unarmed black people is racist whatever flag you're shagging.

I haven’t seen anyone defending that. Nobody could fail to be appalled by the shootings and George Floyds murder unless you’re really ill in the head.