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SE16 3LN
36 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

As you demonstrate the presentation of statistics gives everyone, not just bigots, the opportunity to justify their beliefs. 

The issue of the impact of single parent families on the outcomes for children is undeniable. As is its disproportionate impact on black children, in the States at least. 

Literature often tell us more than bare statistics and the theme was common in twentieth century black American fiction and essays. And literature unlike statistics can examine the complexities. Black Americans men were (and are) often emasculated, fortunately now  figuratively rather than physically. Being unable to provide for and to protect your children from racism in a racist society made life intolerable for many black men and contributed to black men "dropping the ball" in Jake's unfortunate choice of phrase. The resulting lack of adult male models for many children contributed to ongoing issues for future generations. 

Now of course the breakdown of "traditional" family models means the very concept of "adult male models" (or adult female models for that matter) within the family unit is threatened... no doubt society will adapt and it may in time mean families and society and relationships are the better for it. 

But the issues are far more complex than "taking the knee" and the now apparently obligatory obeisance to BLM slogans and aims can possibly address.

Very good post FA, and something for us all to reflect on.

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The Real Maroonblood
3 hours ago, Dawnrazor said:

But given the choice of say 3 items, at the same price and quality, why would you not "Buy British"?

Would you buy Polish eggs over British eggs or New Zealand lamb or Argentinan Beef over British produce, if for nothing more than the extra air miles I volved?

Buy British is nothing to do with race!

I know it’s nothing to do with race.

Personally I try and buy local prodice.

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jack D and coke
2 hours ago, TheOak88 said:

 

Spending in black businesses is a way to support the community. Further, black businesses are more likely to hire people from BAME backgrounds so again it’s supporting jobs. 

 

Don't really see what the issue is with it. 

Ok. 
If I dont spend another penny in any business other than a white persons? 
I’ll be a racist?

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Cade

It's difficult trying to know the source of what you buy.

Meat may have a British label on it but that only means it was slaughtered and packaged in the UK, it does not guarantee that the animals were raised here.

Likewise with white goods, it may say "made in Britain" but it will only have been assembled here, from parts made around the world.

Being able to trace your goods back to original source should be much easier than it is.

Organic foods have made themselves easily traceable as part of their Organic certification.

If only everything was as easy.

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Marty Byrde
Posted (edited)

I don't care about the race of who make or sell the goods I buy. I'd say anyone who does to the detriment of another is a massive racist. You can insert the colours that suit your own racism into that.

Edited by Marty Byrde

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JackLadd

Can see a makeshift BLM picket outside Tannadice when Big Malky pulls up.  You know how sensitive these Hibs types are. 

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Enzo Chiefo

And still we have the ridiculous sight of professional footballers, funded by owners from far less tolerant countries than the UK, going down on one knee before the game? We are 3 games into the resumed season now. When is this nonsense going to end?

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JJ93

Are you guys aware that the organization is self-proclaimed Marxist and one that wants to see the end of capitalism and our civilisation?

 

Whilst it is good to protest against racism, this organisation is vile.

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JJ93

I'm watching the Man City Newcastle game and the have BLM on their shirts and literally all take the knee before the whistle. there are now two whistles.

 

The ignorance about this organisation is sickening.

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JJ93

"We are unapologetically Black in our positioning.... We see ourselves as part of the global Black family... We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure..." Source: https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/12/make-no-mistake-blm-radical-neo-marxist-political-movement/

 

Vile movement that creates segregation. No wonder they see themselves as black and not individuals - they self segregate and imagine telling your child that they aren't 'Jane' or 'Alistair' but that they are 'black' or 'white'. Disgusting.

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Nucky Thompson
26 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

And still we have the ridiculous sight of professional footballers, funded by owners from far less tolerant countries than the UK, going down on one knee before the game? We are 3 games into the resumed season now. When is this nonsense going to end?

That's what I was thinking earlier. 

Celtic fans will insist it continues until August seeing as they are the heroes of any political cause 

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Dawnrazor
3 hours ago, JFK-1 said:

 

The guys obviously a racist.

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Justin Z
10 hours ago, GlasgoJambo said:

 

Similarly, free speech advocacy makes for unusual bedfellows. 

 

It does. I referred to this book extensively in my master's dissertation on the topic of free speech in the US and UK. It was written by a Jewish Holocaust survivor who headed up the ACLU in the 1970s when literal Nazis wanted to demonstrate in a Chicago suburb. When they were denied, he and another Jewish lawyer took their case and argued their right to demonstrate under the First Amendment.

 

 

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jake
7 hours ago, SE16 3LN said:

Where are these areas? Perhaps the heads of these households are in poverty, victims of domestic violence and denied access to jobs, decent housing and essential services, perhaps they are further disadvantaged because most of theM are women.

 

Most domestic violence in Scotland is perpetrated by Scottish men.

 

Most racist incidents in Scotland are perpetrated by Scottish men.

 

Most of the children excluded from Schools are Scottish Children.

 

Most people in Scottish prisons are Scottish people.

 

There is a way on interpreting statistics that presents the bigot with the opportunity to falsely justify their prejudiced beliefs. I expected better TBH.

 

Falsely justify my prejudice beliefs.

 

 

I honestly thought the points I made couldnt have been less bigoted or racist.

I think I even qualified it.

Not that I give a shit.

Unfekinreal 

 

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Francis Albert
3 hours ago, jake said:

Falsely justify my prejudice beliefs.

 

 

I honestly thought the points I made couldnt have been less bigoted or racist.

I think I even qualified it.

Not that I give a shit.

Unfekinreal 

 

You should give a shit. The points you made were not remotely bigoted or racist.

 

 

 

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Mac_fae_Gillie
6 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

And still we have the ridiculous sight of professional footballers, funded by owners from far less tolerant countries than the UK, going down on one knee before the game? We are 3 games into the resumed season now. When is this nonsense going to end?

Daft thing is the going down on the knee is done during the playing of the USA anthem as a sign of disrespect for a country not treating blacks equal, unsure why its done in UK as no anthem played only done in support of others but as you say far less tolerant nations exist lot of the African players in the EPL come from them yet they sit silent on this.

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Francis Albert
5 hours ago, JJ93 said:

Are you guys aware that the organization is self-proclaimed Marxist and one that wants to see the end of capitalism and our civilisation?

 

Whilst it is good to protest against racism, this organisation is vile.

It is a coalition of lots of "organisations" and hangers-on. . A lot of what its supporters  says is legitimate. But it is partly Marxist, partly communist, partly anti--capitalist, partly anarchist. A grand coalition of the anti-establishment.

What I find odd is that there has been no Panorama or other investigative reporting into what exactly BLM is. The BBC and most of the mainstream media, even in fact the more right wing media, have mostly let BLM run free as if they were a spontaneous response to a tragic killing in Minneapolis.

While collecting over a million pounds from donations in the UK it avoids becoming a charitable institution because that would mean complying with rules about how charities operate. But then they are opposed to rules.

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SE16 3LN
3 hours ago, jake said:

Falsely justify my prejudice beliefs.

 

 

I honestly thought the points I made couldnt have been less bigoted or racist.

I think I even qualified it.

Not that I give a shit.

Unfekinreal 

 

I see it from a different view point Jake but single parents being a problem is fairly dated territory and if you start relating that to race and inequality people might think you're a racist.

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Justin Z

Just the public, gathered together in a public park, listening to violins being played in memory of a life cruelly taken.

As one commenter said, "The police are in riot gear to stop people from playing and listening to VIOLINS in memory of a departed friend.....America is officially dying."

 

https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1277273696365879296

 

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Cruyff

Anyone see that story of two met cops being suspended for taking selfies with the bodies of two black sisters that had been murdered?

 

Jesus ****ing wept like. 

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The Real Maroonblood
23 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

Anyone see that story of two met cops being suspended for taking selfies with the bodies of two black sisters that had been murdered?

 

Jesus ****ing wept like. 

Yes.

Unbelievable. No.

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jake
Posted (edited)
19 hours ago, SE16 3LN said:

I see it from a different view point Jake but single parents being a problem is fairly dated territory and if you start relating that to race and inequality people might think you're a racist.

I qualified it with comparisons to white communities.

I also noted that races apart from whites faired  better than both whites and blacks.

Far from being outdated and some auld radge bigoted dimwit I am very conscious of things.

I just dont buy the answers that you all seem to despite the evidence

19 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

You should give a shit. The points you made were not remotely bigoted or racist.

 

 

 

I dont FA.

Because I know I'm not.

 

Edited by jake
Hope no one noticed

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SE16 3LN
1 hour ago, jake said:

I qualified it with comparisons to white communities.

I also noted that races apart from whites faired  better than both whites and blacks.

Far from being outdated and some auld radge bigoted dimwit I am very conscious of things.

I just dont buy the answers that you all seem to despite the evidence

I dont FA.

Because I know I'm not.

 

I'm sure you're not a bigoted dimwit but the single parent thing seemed a bit 1990's to me. Probably my interpretation that was lacking. I just think there are many factors involved. Keep challenging Jake.

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jake
2 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

I'm sure you're not a bigoted dimwit but the single parent thing seemed a bit 1990's to me. Probably my interpretation that was lacking. I just think there are many factors involved. Keep challenging Jake.

Ach man I am half daft.

I really am.

We all want the same .

 

 

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Justin Z
On 28/06/2020 at 16:57, SE16 3LN said:

I see it from a different view point Jake but single parents being a problem is fairly dated territory and if you start relating that to race and inequality people might think you're a racist.

 

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Governor Tarkin

I don't get it. :(

 

 

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Francis Albert
5 hours ago, Justin Z said:

 

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A great example of the general level of debate on Twitter. Like.

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Ron Burgundy
1 hour ago, Francis Albert said:

A great example of the general level of debate on Twitter. Like.

Blockbuster Girl knows what she's talking about from her years of oppression.

It's fecking embarrassing now.

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Justin Z
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Blockbuster Girl knows what she's talking about from her years of oppression.

It's fecking embarrassing now.

 

Haha, oh dear. Blockbuster Girl is like Iceland beating England in the Euro, and all the well documented reasons why.

 

This and the post you replied to are the dinosaurs of Scottish football and the associated qualifying results.

 

There's certainly things to be fecking embarrassed about now. In fact, Malky Mackay as the national setup's performance director finishes off the analogy quite well. :thumbsup:

 

Edited by Justin Z

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Ron Burgundy
23 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

Haha, oh dear. Blockbuster Girl is like Iceland beating England in the Euro, and all the well documented reasons why.

 

This and the post you replied to are the dinosaurs of Scottish football and the associated qualifying results.

 

There's certainly things to be fecking embarrassed about now. In fact, Malky Mackay as the national setup's performance director finishes off the analogy quite well. :thumbsup:

 

Every dog has it's day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Justin Z
1 hour ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Every dog has it's day.

 

A character snorts cocaine, and you won't be able to explain why ...

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Dusk_Till_Dawn

I think you have to distinguish between Black Lives Matter (the organisation) and the general Black Lives Matter movement. Most people protesting have legitimate concerns. BLM the organisation are lacking in credibility because some of their mission statement is ludicrous - as Starmer pointed out.

 

To say ‘when we said defund the police, what we meant was invest more in social support’ is so laughable it’s almost unbelievable. Makes them sound like a bunch of students 

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ri Alban
16 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

I think you have to distinguish between Black Lives Matter (the organisation) and the general Black Lives Matter movement. Most people protesting have legitimate concerns. BLM the organisation are lacking in credibility because some of their mission statement is ludicrous - as Starmer pointed out.

 

To say ‘when we said defund the police, what we meant was invest more in social support’ is so laughable it’s almost unbelievable. Makes them sound like a bunch of students 

The politic BLM are as racist AF. The #BLM have a point. 

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Francis Albert
Posted (edited)
5 hours ago, Justin Z said:

 

Haha, oh dear. Blockbuster Girl is like Iceland beating England in the Euro, and all the well documented reasons why.

 

This and the post you replied to are the dinosaurs of Scottish football and the associated qualifying results.

 

There's certainly things to be fecking embarrassed about now. In fact, Malky Mackay as the national setup's performance director finishes off the analogy quite well. :thumbsup:

 

I have like,literally no idea what this post means. Hope I have got the Twitter lingo right there.

 

As the poster Ron Burgundy replied to,  I have no idea why I am, or my  post is, "a dinosaur of Scottish football and he associated qualifying results". Or the relevance of Malky Mackay to the topic. 

 

Or why Blockbuster Girl is "like Iceland beating England" My on-line Urban Slang dictionary is doubtless out of date but "Blockbuster Girl" comes up as an easy lay. Presumably that is not what her Twitter name refers to.

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His name is
On 29/06/2020 at 17:37, Cruyff said:

Anyone see that story of two met cops being suspended for taking selfies with the bodies of two black sisters that had been murdered?

 

Jesus ****ing wept like. 

 Shocking behaviour. But what does the race of the victims have to do with anything?

 

 

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Cruyff
1 minute ago, His name is said:

 Shocking behaviour. But what does the race of the victims have to do with anything?

 

 

Pretty much everything. 

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His name is
10 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

Pretty much everything. 

I'm pretty sure if your sick enough to take a selfie with a dead body it wouldn't really matter what race the body was. Out interest do we know the ethnicities of the police officers? If non white, is it still racism?

 

We're now at the point where any negativity towards minorities is racism. 

 

Is racism an issue in the UK/Scotland, yes.

 

Is calling everything negative towards minorities racism helpful to anyone. No.

 

 

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Cruyff
2 minutes ago, His name is said:

I'm pretty sure if your sick enough to take a selfie with a dead body it wouldn't really matter what race the body was. Out interest do we know the ethnicities of the police officers? If non white, is it still racism?

 

We're now at the point where any negativity towards minorities is racism. 

 

Is racism an issue in the UK/Scotland, yes.

 

Is calling everything negative towards minorities racism helpful to anyone. No.

 

 

Nah. You've definitely got the wrong end of the stick like. It wasn't just about the selfies. If you had listened to it on Jeremy Vine yesterday you'd understand. It was the Met Polices attitude when they were first reported missing all the way to the how their bodies were treated. Not just about the selfies. 

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Justin Z

"If your statue is history, the indigenous people are saying: 'But you wrote your history on top of my history. It is overshadowing our own histories.'"

 

Read more about the man who decapitates colonial statues:

 

The Cameroonian waging war against a French war hero’s statue

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weehammy
4 hours ago, Justin Z said:

"If your statue is history, the indigenous people are saying: 'But you wrote your history on top of my history. It is overshadowing our own histories.'"

 

Read more about the man who decapitates colonial statues:

 

The Cameroonian waging war against a French war hero’s statue

When will Washington State and DC be renamed? Also when will the Washington and Jefferson monuments be torn down. If the statues of confederates who fought for slavery have to go what about the monuments to these ‘founding fathers’ who not only kept slaves but slept with them? Woodrow Wilson seems like a much more convenient target.

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Justin Z
4 minutes ago, weehammy said:

When will Washington State and DC be renamed? Also when will the Washington and Jefferson monuments be torn down. If the statues of confederates who fought for slavery have to go what about the monuments to these ‘founding fathers’ who not only kept slaves but slept with them? Woodrow Wilson seems like a much more convenient target.

 

Jefferson's legacy is especially whitewashed (pun intended), no doubt. I much prefer the character of him in Sherman Edwards' 1776 and in Lin-Manuel Miranda's Hamilton to the real life version. Of course, even those representations are problematic!
 

There is a fetishisation of the Founders in the States that goes beyond even the lionisation of people like Churchill in the UK. Hopefully, someday, all historical figures like this will be represented honestly, with all their flaws laid bare and their positives not overstated, for people to judge accordingly.

 

You are correct that Wilson is low hanging fruit. So would a person like Andrew Jackson be (an irredeemable arsehole) and yet he's on some of our money. 🤷‍♂️

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jake

Problematic.

That's the trouble with dogma.

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Justin Z
On 01/07/2020 at 14:21, weehammy said:

Also when will the Washington and Jefferson monuments be torn down.

 

Topical . . .

 

From Thomas Jefferson's own family, a call to take down his memorial

 

“The memorial is a shrine to a man who during his lifetime owned more than 600 slaves and had at least six children with one of them, Sally Hemings,” Truscott writes. “It’s a shrine to a man who famously wrote that ‘all men are created equal’ in the Declaration of Independence that founded this nation — and yet never did much to make those words come true. Upon his death, he did not free the people he enslaved, other than those in the Hemings family, some of whom were his own children. He sold everyone else to pay off his debts.”

 

Truscott argues that Monticello serves as an “almost perfect memorial” to the nation’s third president. In his opinion, Monticello notes Jefferson’s major contributions to the creation of the United States — including the Declaration of Independence — but also includes his history as a slave owner, or, as Truscott writes, “it reveals him with his moral failings in full, an imperfect man, a flawed founder.”

 

On 01/07/2020 at 14:31, Justin Z said:

Hopefully, someday, all historical figures like this will be represented honestly, with all their flaws laid bare and their positives not overstated, for people to judge accordingly.

 

Quoting myself, but it seems Jefferson's descendant agrees that doing away with statues would do nothing to jeopardise this, and in fact, serve that purpose all the better.

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Cade

Amy Cooper, the white woman who went viral after being recorded calling the cops on a black man who had simply asked her to leash her dog in a park, has been charged with filing a false report, a Class A misdemeanor which can carry a 1-year jail term.

She lost her job a couple of days after the incident.

 

Meanwhile, in the UK, a black man who was driving home at night after having been interviewed about everyday police racism on Channel 4 news was involved in a forceful police action.

The police followed close behind his car for some time, then pulled him over claiming they "could smell weed" (this same claim keeps cropping up time and time again in relation to black people being stopped by police). They tanned the driver's side window, dragged him from the car, restrained him then detained him for several hours only to release him without charge a few hours later.

As he was walking to the pound to collect his car, another police car stopped him and questioned him on why he was on the street at that time of night and what he was doing.

No compensation for his smashed car window was offered.

The incident has been formally referred to the police watchdog and a formal complaint has been made to the police force directly.

 

Back in the United States, several hundred fully armed militia wankers showed up at Gettysburg to stop a flag burning protest that turned out to be a hoax.

 

Also this week, historian and arsehole in chief David Starkey has had all his publishing deals cancelled, was forced to resign his honorary fellowship at Fitzwilliam College and was fired as a visiting professor at Canterbury Christ Church College after saying that "slavery cannot be considered to have been genocide because there are so many damn blacks in Africa and Britain."

 

Never a dull moment in race relations.

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