SPFL and Covid ( Leagues 1 and 2 to restart )

[upgotheheads]

If that is the general state of mind of many other clubs in the leagues then maybe a few of them should be on to Doncaster to tell him to get reconstruction on the table now, if not sooner. 

[Toxteth O'Grady]

I hope QC Boreland charges by the second  

[Rick Sanchez]

Now let's imagine it was big bad Hearts begging other clubs and fans for help in challenging this...

 

We'd be a disgrace I'd imagine 🤷‍♂️

[neilnunb]

Absolutely embarrassing from the three diddy clubs.

 

Too skint to pay legal costs yet were crowing about interviewing an ex England boss just last week.

 

🤣🤣🤣

 

 

 

[Sarah O]

Will be interesting to see if any clubs support these bunch of ******s. 

[Brick Tamland]

1 minute ago, gashauskis9 said:

So Dundee Utd are expecting teams that voted for the status quo to protect their own financial interests to give them money to save their arses.

 

Small time, scumbag, orange twats.

#OLM 

[Heartsmad1874]

1 minute ago, gashauskis9 said:

So Dundee Utd are expecting teams that voted for the status quo to protect their own financial interests to give them money to save their arses.

 

Small time, scumbag, orange twats.

I doubt there will be many clubs coming forward to help support those three  everyones in it for themselves in Scottish football.

[therefsajambo]

On 03/07/2020 at 22:01, Kidd’s Boots said:

 

You reep wot u sow

You reep wot u so ow

We're Heart of Midlothian

And you'll reep wot u sow 

 

Got to be a song for next season 

 

 

[GBJambo]

6 minutes ago, Jambo66 said:

There is a rule preventing Hearts and Hibs playing in Edinburgh on the same day. It is a police requirement. That rule is effectively broken in week 1 with Hibs and DU both at home.

Move one of the games to a Sunday! Not difficult 

[Mikey1874]

1 minute ago, Heartsmad1874 said:

I doubt there will be many clubs coming forward to help support those three  everyones in it for themselves in Scottish football.

 

So Dundee United want clubs to pay Hearts compensation AND their own legal costs. 

[Chris#9]

Paying compensation for a manager and then begging for money from other clubs. Im sure the MSM will call them out for this. 

[Cruyff]

The day when Dundee Utd go under will be a truly glorious day. They are absolute scum of the earth. 

[Guest ToqueJambo]

1 hour ago, Interested Bystander said:

3 questions from an outsider.

 

1. What rule was broken by Dundee changing their vote?

2. What was wrong if Aberdeen were told their vote didn't matter? It didn't as there would still have been the required

     Yes vote in the Premiership section had they voted No. The Dundee vote only affected the Championship section.

3. With proper training only being allowed by the Scottish Government last week, and the earliest BCD games can start is

     August 1st, and with barely enough free dates available for the fixtures, when could the 19/10 season have been played 

     to a finish?

4. Does anybody think Leslie Deans open letter threatening bankruptcy to the other SPFL clubs 2 days before the 14-10-10-10

     vote helped your cause? 

 

 

1. That's why we're going to court. It's not so much that they changed it it's how the whole vote was handled. The judge has said we have a case to answer in that respect. Question for you mr interested bystander, do you see nothing weird at all in how that all went down.

 

2. See answer to 1. The SPFL release interim results and then apparently told Aberdeen didn't even need to vote. Why? That's dodgy and we've asked for documentation etc around it. 

 

3. Ask the many other leagues around the world that have started, not all rich, elite level leagues. The SFPL could have engaged with government starting 3 months ago instead of, it seems, 3 days ago. At minimum they could still play the playoffs for relegation/promotion. In any case play to a finish was just one option. Reconstruction is very obviously the option that is easiest to implement and kinder to all clubs.

 

4. LD isn't a representative of the club or connected to the case. he's just a mouthy fan who works in the legal profession. It's up to the media whether or not they report what he says and it's up to folk like you to believe him or not. Threats have been flying form all over. What did you think of the DR back [age with a bloody knife through the badges of Hearts and PT or the anonymous chairmen saying they wanted payback against Caley or the threats to throw Hearts "oot the gemmed". That last threat was uttered by a lawyer for te SPFL/D Utd and co at the hearing - it's the biggest and worst threat uttered by anyone in this whole thing. (And it was thrown out by the judge)

 

Edited July 6, 2020 by ToqueJambo

[Gordon Ramsay]

4 minutes ago, Sarah O said:

Will be interesting to see if any clubs support these bunch of ******s. 

 

I'm sure Hibs will given how much extra cash they've got floating about 🤣🤣

[milky_26]

thats a belter of a statement from DU, and i was of the impression the festival was cancelled, yet here we are a comedy show for us to laugh at

[Bazzas right boot]

1 hour ago, Interested Bystander said:

3 questions from an outsider.

 

1. What rule was broken by Dundee changing their vote?

2. What was wrong if Aberdeen were told their vote didn't matter? It didn't as there would still have been the required

     Yes vote in the Premiership section had they voted No. The Dundee vote only affected the Championship section.

3. With proper training only being allowed by the Scottish Government last week, and the earliest BCD games can start is

     August 1st, and with barely enough free dates available for the fixtures, when could the 19/10 season have been played 

     to a finish?

4. Does anybody think Leslie Deans open letter threatening bankruptcy to the other SPFL clubs 2 days before the 14-10-10-10

     vote helped your cause? 

 

****ing hell. 

 

[18Jambo_dave74]

If only there had been some alternative...

 

 

[cheetah]

[Radio Ga Ga]

Think it’s pretty clear that no one responded to Dungcasters letter drumming up support for DU, RR & CR, shame!

[Mysterion]

24 minutes ago, Heartsmad1874 said:

https://www.dundeeunitedfc.co.uk/news/6503/CLUB-STATEMENT.html?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=dundeeunitedfc
 

Having won the Championship by a considerable margin, and invested substantial sums of money in preparing for next season in the Premiership, a decision to overturn the SPFL resolution that was supported by 34 of the 42 member clubs would be ruinous for us and our fans.

 

Since the lockdown it’s fair to say that clubs haven’t really been splashing the cash. This would suggest that Dundee Utd have overspent to win the league and consequently are now feeling the lack of a financial safety net for doing so. 
 

Tremendous. 👏 

[Ronaldo9]

'Given the serious financial implications of these escalating legal costs for Raith Rovers, Cove Rangers and ourselves, the three clubs have considered withdrawing from the arbitration process and allowing the expert panel of arbiters to judge the case raised by Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle without any submissions from us in defence of our case. However, we believe (and our external legal advisors have confirmed same) that there is too much at stake to not defend our position against the Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle petition, which is seeking to reverse a decision that was made by 81% of the SPFL member clubs.'

 

This to me confirms that we have a better chance than most think of a positive outcome here. Compensation will ruin clubs if they're struggling to pay a 1/3rd share on £150K.

 

 

[Guest ToqueJambo]

Wow. That D Utd statement. The entitlement. The ignorance. The compete lack of empathy and self-awareness. ****ing hell. 

 

if they're in financial difficulty because of this it's because of their own actions since April and their poor financial management the last few years going into massive debt to win a lower league.

 

Sporting integrity now means voting yourself a title then doing everything you can to pile financial hardship on other teams that suffered as a result of that vote. Absolute *****.

Edited July 6, 2020 by ToqueJambo

[Disco Dave]

Sporting integrity! Heard it all now 😂😂
 

Aside from that, we just gave them an unexpected wedge for Robbie Neilson. Surely they could pay their bill with that?

 

If they choose to go and buy another manager from another club then that is their choice. Otherwise, go fund your legal bill and sign someone out of contract.

Edited July 6, 2020 by Disco Dave

[Shanks]

That Dundee United statement should come with a ‘not suitable for work’ warning 

 

 

stiffy inducing material.

[henryheart]

8 minutes ago, upgotheheads said:

 

Dear Dundee United, 

 

If you had voted for a 14 team league, from which there were no losers and only winners, then we wouldn't have been in this position.

 

Regards etc.

 

Indeed. And we are the big bad devil for have the audacity to continue to defend ourselves using the process that they argued in the CoS we should be using. What planet do these idiots live on? 

[Heartsmad1874]

2 minutes ago, Mysterion said:

Since the lockdown it’s fair to say that clubs haven’t really been splashing the cash. This would suggest that Dundee Utd have overspent to win the league and consequently are now feeling the lack of a financial safety net for doing so. 
 

Tremendous. 👏 

We should offer to pay their costs in return for Shankland  

[neilnunb]

In the words of Taylor Swift...Dundee United, Raith and Cove Rangers.

 

NOW we've got bad blood!

 

 

Edited July 6, 2020 by neilnunb

[Hagar the Horrible]

Calpol 3 - Hoisted by their own petard

 

I like this bit : Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle could also be awarded significant sums in terms of compensation. Their compensation claim is for a total of £10 million. Err only if you fight the case and win promotion, if you lose then this wont happen, so you are asking fans to fund a total disaster to their own clubs.

 

if Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle are successful in their action it could have serious ramifications for the whole of Scottish football.:  Nope Its only you.

 

seriously we took a good few weeks for the FOH to get that money?  they are so far up their own erchie if they think other clubs think they are in the right, have they read twitter after the Donkey SKY interview? they all think its a stich up. Killed by their own hubris

[Bull's-eye]

Its fine, the rest of the clubs in Scotland dont want us to play in PL next season, no problem with it at all now.

 

No point in rushing through the SFA Arbitration now in my opinion.

Lets take our time and get our case nicely built up and destroy these self indulgent idiots and watch them struggle for years to come or come crashing down. **** them all. 

[Rick Sanchez]

Have these clubs even considered the possibility of a second spike btw? 

[Heartsmad1874]

2 minutes ago, Barack said:

Robbie Neilson smug emoji please, JKB...

 

 

 

Using this photo please  

[Shanks]

Goes to court to argue that the case should go to arbitration..... cry about needing to crowd fund when they win their argument and it goes to arbitration 

[Riccarton3]

18 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said:

That statement surely is illegal. WTF , they’re begging other clubs to help them and boot us ?

that bad blood is just about to start boiling. 
If ever their was bullying and veiled threats that statement has it in spades. 

Duty of care and all that....play the game. 

 

Remember Leslie Gray. If it was us, we'd do the same. He's your SPFL Board, Dundee United. Your anger should be at the SPFL, you  dafties.

Edited July 6, 2020 by Riccarton3

[JimmyCant]

3 hours ago, firsttimecaller said:

In order to set a few points correct with regards to things I posted earlier.

 

Obviously, I don’t support Hearts, nor do I have a vested interest in the SPFL. I follow my local club, Bonnyrigg Rose.

 

No, I’m not a journalist or being paid or asked to post.

 

To be frank, I felt compelled to post on the basis I genuinely believe that the bigger picture is being missed here by supporters of Hearts on here in the dash to lay blame at everyone else’s door. 
 

 

 

Look mate. If we had played the remaining 8 games and gone down, not one Hearts fan would have an issue with it. We were bottom deservedly so after 3/4 of an awful season brought about by 2 years of mismanagement, poor recruitment decisions at all levels and massive waste of resources.

 

The BIGGER picture is the season wasn’t finished. There were still 8 games left, most of them were against immediate rivals. There were many options that could have been taken to avoid unfair and premature demotion. We could have restarted (we’d be half way through the split fixtures by now if we had waited) We could have reconstructed. we could have null and voided. All of those options could have been done with ‘no harm’ to any club

 

If your going to come on here discussing the bigger picture, at least realise what the bigger picture actually is. The big picture here is a corrupt game run by people vulnerable to pressure backed up by a draconian voting  system which not only ensures the status quo, it gives Albion Rovers Bowling Club the same say as a multi million pound business. Yet we’re not even fighting against all of that, as bad as it is. We’re fighting to reverse a ******* decision which had no basis in need to be taken, which was forced through by underhand means at every stage and is massively discriminatory and prejudicial to us, Partick and Stranraer.

 

if you can’t see the integrity angle here, you’re part of the bigger problem.

[David Black]

It just shows how little money it takes for these clubs to struggle. With very few exceptions. us being the main one, how can Club1 help Club 2. when Club 1 is also struggling. Doncaster has conned the 3 of them and they are to stupid to see that. A year in the Championship,  x£millions in compensation and seeing x number of clubs suffer, I'll gladly take that.

 

 

[Bazzas right boot]

I honestly want us to win the case  but be in the championship now. 

 

Even £1/£2m skimmed of the top will hurt many teams. 

 

Anything near our figure and we'll directly be responsible for half the teams going bust. 

Giving the way these clubs threw us and the other teams under a bus when their was a fairer solution all along really bothers my piss. 

 

Utd have a ****ing cheek as well, not won a thing, got voted up, then voted against reconstruction and happy to dump all the fallout on 3 clubs. 

Brass neck doesn't cover it tbh.

 

 

Quite clearly the other side where banking on the case getting thrown out completely as well. 

 

The solution is still so simple. 

 

 

[Cruickie's Moustache]

Quote

If successful in their action, in our opinion Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle would compromise the sporting integrity of the SPFL

 

What is it that people (and those at Dundee Utd) don't get. Its quite simple.

 

If the arbitration process finds everything lawful, Hearts and Partick are stuffed, both are hit with relegation, the cost of court, ill will from others  etc.

 

If the arbitration process finds 'dodgy, close to the wire practice' but deems it lawful, the SPFL and its board will still have questions to ask regards the manner in which it operates.

 

If relegation/promotion is cancelled or if a compensation payment is viewed as the alternative solution  (regardless of how small) these decisions will have been arrived at because what the SPFL did was unlawful, unfair and prejudicial to some of its own members.

 

How, in the final scenario above,  can an organisation that has acted unlawfully be regarded as having any integrity, sporting or otherwise?

 

[Section Q]

Here we go again.

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/dundee-united-appeal-clubs-cash-defend-heartspartick-ps10m-legal-action-2905413

[Libertarian]

12 minutes ago, GBJambo said:

Move one of the games to a Sunday! Not difficult 

Or a Friday evening 

[Mikey1874]

2 minutes ago, Shanks said:

Goes to court to argue that the case should go to arbitration..... cry about needing to crowd fund when they win their argument and it goes to arbitration 

 

They asked for case to be dismissed. 

 

Lord Clark rejected that on grounds there is clearly a case to answer. 

 

Waste of money. 

[Shanks]

1 minute ago, JimmyCant said:

Look mate. If we had played the remaining 8 games and gone down, not one Hearts fan would have an issue with it. We were bottom deservedly so after 3/4 of an awful season brought about by 2 years of mismanagement, poor recruitment decisions at all levels and massive waste of resources.

 

The BIGGER picture is the season wasn’t finished. There were still 8 games left, most of them were against immediate rivals. There were many options that could have been taken to avoid unfair and premature demotion. We could have restarted (we’d be half way through the split fixtures by now if we had waited) We could have reconstructed. we could have null and voided. All of those options could have been done with ‘no harm’ to any club

 

If your going to come on here discussing the bigger picture, at least realise what the bigger picture actually is. The big picture here is a corrupt game run by people vulnerable to pressure backed up by a draconian voting  system which not only ensures the status quo, it gives Albion Rovers Bowling Club the same say as a multi million pound business. Yet we’re not even fighting against all of that, as bad as it is. We’re fighting to reverse a ******* decision which had no basis in need to be taken, which was forced through by underhand means at every stage and is massively discriminatory and prejudicial to us, Partick and Stranraer.

 

if you can’t see the integrity angle here, you’re part of the bigger problem.

Can we make this a sticky for idiots that support other clubs?  Maybe make it so they need to read this before they are allowed to post any of their brain dead views?  
 

Might make then have second thoughts before dribbling onto their keyboards.

[NANOJAMBO]

15 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

So because we might win our case we shouldn't be proceeding. Gotcha.

Absolutely this.

At no point have DUFC/RR/Cove said anything about finding a solution because they thought they were going to be on the right side of history but their case bombed at the CoS and Lord C has told the SPFL to pony up the required documents. All of a sudden some parties aren't quite as sure of themselves and it might just go the other way. 

 

I am still mystified why any of these poxy clubs are whining about not getting costs awarded (it's crystal feckin clear why (their case was booted out by Lord C) or why they seem to think any of them are going to arbitration. Why aren't the SPFL fighting for the 3 amigos ? 

 

Not that I give a shit.  

[Cruyff]

I hope we have 2 away games at Starks Park next season. They'd have expected 2,000 Hearts supporters at 20 quid a ticket. We have a very real life possibility to kill off Raith Rovers. 

 

Edited July 6, 2020 by Cruyff

[EIEIO]

40 minutes ago, Interested Bystander said:

 

4. was an afterthought. I was in favour of 14-10-10-10, but knew it had no chance of getting passed after that suspiciously well informed letter. You were asking a lot of clubs to take a serious financial hit, and though I doubt it would have passed anyway, that kyboshed any chances of it. You might say Leslie Deans wasn't representing the club, but it matched exactly what the club ended up doing, and I'm sure the club chairmen took it as such.

Hopefully the Raith guy and other owners are now regretting ignoring Leslie Deans advice. Compensation if awarded will be the icing on the cake.

[HMFC01]

34 minutes ago, Heartsmad1874 said:

https://www.dundeeunitedfc.co.uk/news/6503/CLUB-STATEMENT.html?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=dundeeunitedfc
 

On the day that the SPFL have released the Premiership fixture list for 2020/21, which is scheduled to start on 1st August, instead of looking forward and planning for the forthcoming season, the executive team and Board at the Club are embroiled in preparation work for the SFA arbitration process that starts this week in respect of the action raised by Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle.

As confirmed in our joint statement on Friday, we, along with Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers, were pleased with Lord Clark’s decision to refer the dispute to arbitration, however we remain incensed that we are having to devote considerable time and incur significant legal costs in defending this action. Together we have already incurred costs of over £50,000, and face further legal fees for the arbitration process that could take the total bill to over £150,000. 

Given the serious financial implications of these escalating legal costs for Raith Rovers, Cove Rangers and ourselves, the three clubs have considered withdrawing from the arbitration process and allowing the expert panel of arbiters to judge the case raised by Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle without any submissions from us in defence of our case. However, we believe (and our external legal advisors have confirmed same) that there is too much at stake to not defend our position against the Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle petition, which is seeking to reverse a decision that was made by 81% of the SPFL member clubs.

If successful in their action, in our opinion Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle would compromise the sporting integrity of the SPFL with clubs having been declared champions of their league not being promoted. Having won the Championship by a considerable margin, and invested substantial sums of money in preparing for next season in the Premiership, a decision to overturn the SPFL resolution that was supported by 34 of the 42 member clubs would be ruinous for us and our fans.

Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle could also be awarded significant sums in terms of compensation. Their compensation claim is for a total of £10 million. For the SPFL and its member clubs this would have potentially catastrophic consequences, with any compensation payment made to Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle being paid directly out of SPFL funds that are distributed to all clubs each season as prize money.

It is with these factors in mind, that, along with Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers, we are reaching out to our fellow member clubs for support in defending this action, which has not only potentially grave consequences for us, but every SPFL club. We also intend running a crowdfunding campaign to raise money to help fund the huge legal bills that we face. We hope that as well as our own supporters, fans of clubs across Scotland will see this as a worthy cause to get behind in that if Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle are successful in their action it could have serious ramifications for the whole of Scottish football.

 

Compromise sporting integrity, what a joke.

 

Doing the SPFLs work again.

 

You'd think the general public and majority of football supporters would be backing the relegated clubs.  If either had/has any knowledge of Raith/Falkirk/Particks positions, they will be laughing their asses off at that statement.  I know I am.

 

[GorgieRules22]

It’s a strange statement by United given the circumstances. They had the chance to vote for reconstruction we’re not Club was financially crippled due to a world wide pandemic, they chose not to. All we are doing is trying to protect our own club like any other would but there now trying to turn every other club against two.

 

I would probably say it’s not their brightest idea to release a statement like that this week.

 

It also makes you think that there beginning to think that Hearts and Thistle have a good enough case.

[Biko]

4 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

Anything near our figure and we'll directly be responsible for half the teams going bust. 

No - the SPFL will be.

[AndrewB]

8 minutes ago, Heartsmad1874 said:

We should offer to pay their costs in return for Shankland  

Nah. Personally, I'd rather see them hurting financially.

[Victorian]

SPFL and arsehole clubs.

 

"We're in the right.   We'll win.    When we win it will be fair.

 

but...

 

"If they win it will be totally ruinous and unfair".

 

So... when the subjective construct of fairness took on a whole new twist.    Fairness can only be fairness when it's imposed by a legitimate legal forum.    If it imposes the wrong fairness it becomes unfair.

 

Riiiiiiight....

 

Die.   Now.

[jamboinglasgow]

If only there was a way that would keep Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers and not demote Hearts, Partick Thistle and Stranraer. And it could even bring a lowland and highland league club up to fix the play-off problem.

 

But I guess there isn't a solution and surely if there was one United, Raith and Cove Rangers would have not voted against it....