Fozzyonthefence Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, WoolfordsHearts said: Hopefully newco's PR team can back these allegations up and it's not the usual victimised p*** that comes from them. I’d be surprised i we don’t hear about alleged bullying from the lower league clubs after the vote. It’s exactly what happened with the Rangers vote 5 or 6 years ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kingantti1874 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, NaturalOrder74 said: Fair play sevco, they are absolutely right, They are using the money as a bribe to take advantage of struggling clubs to vote their way there’s no reason the money can’t be released correct Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AndyNic Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Where is this new Rangers statement? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jodami Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 If this fails, and please God let's hope it does, then we should push for Neil Doncaster's resignation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AndyNic Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Found it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Felix Lighter Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 As has been said by AB there should be no reason a straight forward rule change can't be implemented allowing prize money to be released.If ,as appears to be the case, the SPFL are holding a gun to clubs heads over cash payouts then that says to me that the SPFL are quite happy to sacrifice clubs in order to placate one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hagar the Horrible Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Reading the updated AB clarification statement, she has got to learn half the people in the media and punditry are morons and the other half just jump on any statement with a negative spin that Hearts and herself publish. Everything Hearts do = bad; everybody else = Good. How she is handling this situation in a business capacity clearly shows her acumen compared to the other chairmen who are treating this as how Football is run and should be run but? But they may be right for their clubs, seen as doing the right thing is the right thing if this global happening is short term, we are doing the right thing based on ‘its going to be for the long term’. Running it as a football singularity and relying on football people has put us in the hiatus we occupy granted. But we are in a good position to ride this out if football is suspended until the arse end of the year. We might need to take further difficult decisions like not renewing contracts that expire in June and also we might be the first to invoke article 12 (Oh the seethe from the media, you can smell it) but when we come out of this we won’t have kicked a debt can down the road, and also out of contract players will still want their deferred wages paid in full. Now here is the caveat for the furlough, its only agreed until 31st May? It might be extended but only by a month as by then a lot of business will be allowed to relax and allow to re-open, but Football clubs won’t be, so the furlough will run out long before money comes running in? So here is the wakeup call, In August clubs will have to pay that months’ salary plus the agreed deferred Salary of April, May, June and July. Even if its half then, then the other half in February 2021. It will be April, May and Augusts’ salaries and no football, and worse, if there is an Admin event, All football debt will have to be honoured so some clubs will have to pay potentially 6 months’ salary for an entire squad, by the new owners, or even the same owners. The point is unnecessary legacy debt will hit them hard if they come out of this at the other side. Oh and even if there is no admin event, it will impact on squad replenishment, having to pay staff for work not kicking a ball. What AB needs is a decent press officer/spin doctor, but at the end of the day even the negative press is still going to be good for us, and a massive GIRUY to the Weegia!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, NaturalOrder74 said: Fair play sevco, they are absolutely right, They are using the money as a bribe to take advantage of struggling clubs to vote their way there’s no reason the money can’t be released I’m all for not calling the season now (unless no relegation) but yes for dishing out the prize money as it stands (maybe even with adjustments later if by some miracle the season is played out). There may be a legal reason they can’t do this but if there is can’t the clubs / SPFL Board just change the rules? They’re looking to change the rules anyway by relegating teams now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Forever Hearts Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, luckydug said: I started following Hearts at the start of the 1957/58 season. A lot of my memories are a bit hazy. From my own recollections and those of older family members the board of Hearts would have sold their grannies for a shilling. They sold Dave Mackay when he didn't even want to go. Not only that he went for a fraction of his worth. They then proceeded to sell both Alex Young and George Thomson in a double transfer to Everton thus breaking up the title winning side of 1960. Not content with that there was the treatment of Willie Bauld with the club charging him expenses for his testimonial match even charging for the match ball. Willie Wallace to Celtic for 30k WTF. I could go on on and on but I'm sure folk get the gist. So would the Hearts board of the 50s and 60s have held the team together in modern day football ? 😂😂😂😂 £30k was a decent transfer fee between two Scottish clubs in 1966. His form had also dipped at Hearts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maroonsgotop Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Forever Hearts said: £30k was a decent transfer fee between two Scottish clubs in 1966. His form had also dipped at Hearts. he'd probably been tapped up. I remember him scoring 4 first half goals in a league cup tie against Clyde (think we won 4-3) before he left so he was still scoring plenty. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mikey1874 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: £30k was a decent transfer fee between two Scottish clubs in 1966. His form had also dipped at Hearts. 1 minute ago, maroonsgotop said: he'd probably been tapped up. I remember him scoring 4 first half goals in a league cup tie against Clyde (think we won 4-3) before he left so he was still scoring plenty. Wallace had major issues with the Hearts board. If he had been treated better it seems he could have stayed at Hearts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: £30k was a decent transfer fee between two Scottish clubs in 1966. His form had also dipped at Hearts. We wouldn’t pay much more than £30k nowadays yet we were signing players for around £500k or more as long ago as 30 years ago. That’s how much Scottish foot has changed. No wonder we can’t compete in Europe any more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seymour M Hersh Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 30 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: Doncaster must be walking like John Wayne these days. His arse will look like the Japanese flag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maroonsgotop Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, Mikey1874 said: Wallace had major issues with the Hearts board. If he had been treated better it seems he could have stayed at Hearts. not surprised. I can remember the board being held in considerable disdain back then. Also remember being absolutely gutted when Arthur Mann got sold to Man City. This was all setting the scene for our eventual demise in the 70's Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pasquale for King Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 hour ago, martoon said: The Celtic situation, and the SPFL's need to kowtow to them, is particularly galling. All because of 9 or 10iar. Something that means feck all to anyone other than 2 ludicrous, despicable clubs masquerading as "giants". Playing on sectarian differences in another country, blighting our own, to make money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R08813 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) Aberdeen apparently set to vote against... doesn’t look like vote will pass today Edited April 10, 2020 by R08813 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Enzo Chiefo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 42 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Lockdown will be eased. Shops maybe towards end of month. Yes, I agree Mikey. They seem to be focussrd on that now. I think there will be another 3 weeks or so of lockdown and then early May maybe start opening coffee shops and other outlets . They can still have social distancing measures like takeaway only or reduced seating. There would be no difference in going into all shops as we do now with newsagents and supermarkets, with reduced numbers, 1 in 1 out etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Felix Lighter Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, luckydug said: I started following Hearts at the start of the 1957/58 season. A lot of my memories are a bit hazy. From my own recollections and those of older family members the board of Hearts would have sold their grannies for a shilling. They sold Dave Mackay when he didn't even want to go. Not only that he went for a fraction of his worth. They then proceeded to sell both Alex Young and George Thomson in a double transfer to Everton thus breaking up the title winning side of 1960. Not content with that there was the treatment of Willie Bauld with the club charging him expenses for his testimonial match even charging for the match ball. Willie Wallace to Celtic for 30k WTF. I could go on on and on but I'm sure folk get the gist. So would the Hearts board of the 50s and 60s have held the team together in modern day football ? 😂😂😂😂 It's something I've always wondered, in the post war period Hearts enjoyed their largest average attendances and were paying players a relative pittance. Along with the transfer fees you mention, and the acquisition of cheaper replacements the club must surely have been very wealthy. Begs a rather obvious question, doesn't it? How did the club arrive at the position of destitution in the mid 70's a mere decade later. No idea who were on the board back then, but seriously WTF. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NaturalOrder74 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 20 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said: I’m all for not calling the season now (unless no relegation) but yes for dishing out the prize money as it stands (maybe even with adjustments later if by some miracle the season is played out). There may be a legal reason they can’t do this but if there is can’t the clubs / SPFL Board just change the rules? They’re looking to change the rules anyway by relegating teams now. everyone else on the planet is having to make changes due to these unforeseen circumstances, if they really had any interest in helping struggling clubs out they would make sure the cash was paid out one way or another. then you’ve got clubs like Livingston sucking it al up with a straw absolute morons Quote Link to post Share on other sites
luckydug Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 10 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: Honestly, when you break it down, is it worth it? We exist to allow two clubs to win every league title in what.. 30, 40, 50 years. About 10 clubs will win a trophy in 10. Beyond our small scope, players earn £500k a ****ing week. Really? Players bin Hearts because some English 3td teir te offered £5k a week. Farce tbh. **** it. I'll support Hearts but I binned Scotland football wise, and if we get voted to go down by other clubs I'll chuck it. Corruption isn't worth supporting, even indirectly. Got a family, I'm not relegious. Is it worth it? Presumably you'll stop posting on here if you're giving up Hearts 🤔 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
One five Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Anyone know what time the vote is? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Last Laff Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 So the four biggest clubs outside Celtic in the country are set to vote against this. Doesn’t that say something on its own? The clubs not desperate absolutely desperate for the money don’t think this is legit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Last Laff Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, One five said: Anyone know what time the vote is? They have to be in for five. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HardcoreJambo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, R08813 said: Aberdeen apparently set to vote against... doesn’t look like vote will pass today Aberdeen are after third spot and probably would have finished in that position had the league continued. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Last Laff Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, luckydug said: Presumably you'll stop posting on here if you're giving up Hearts 🤔 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Last Laff Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, HardcoreJambo said: Aberdeen are after third spot and probably would have finished in that position had the league continued. Is there that much of a difference between third and fourth? I wonder what they will reject it on, league reconstruction must be the only way if they think the league can’t be finished. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, R08813 said: Aberdeen apparently set to vote against... doesn’t look like vote will pass today I wonder why their chairman had changed his stance? Especially given they will likely gain a guaranteed Europa League spot that they might miss out on if season played to a finish. I know they could still finish 3rd but still a big gamble on their part. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Last Laff Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, NaturalOrder74 said: everyone else on the planet is having to make changes due to these unforeseen circumstances, if they really had any interest in helping struggling clubs out they would make sure the cash was paid out one way or another. then you’ve got clubs like Livingston sucking it al up with a straw absolute morons Ive no issue at all with teams like Livingston looking out for the best interests of themselves - just like we are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Last Laff said: They have to be in for five. So some will likely be in already. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Last Laff Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, Fozzyonthefence said: I wonder why their chairman had changed his stance? Especially given they will likely gain a guaranteed Europa League spot that they might miss out on if season played to a finish. I know they could still finish 3rd but still a big gamble on their part. Must be league reconstruction. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Last Laff Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, Fozzyonthefence said: So some will likely be in already. Yeah. Some are in, the clubs with the statements I presume. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
One five Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Last Laff said: They have to be in for five. Thanks mate 👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davemclaren Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 44 minutes ago, 25bhr said: I am informed a minimum of Hearts ,Hibs, Aberdeen and Rangers will vote against the proposal today. Let us hope that constructive discussions will now take place. A range of options must be put before clubs. It is scandalous that Rangers proposal did not go on the table. It is a clear conflict of interest on the part of certain board members of SPFL who's club may benefit from a certain course of action, to vote on what resolutions may or may not be considered. They should consider that such conduct could be a key feature of any civil court proceedings that may ensue. I believe there is a stateable case to the Court of Session in the event that Hearts are ejected from the SPL without the league being played to a conclusion. The action ,in my opinion, should allege breach of contract, with the aforementioned conflict of interest being laid before the court. Remedies sought could include financial recompense plus interdict against SPFL proceeding without Hearts in the top league. That’s very interesting. Good to here that there may be some legal options should things not go well for us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TypoonJambo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Stendelsarmy said: Good statement from Rangers. Sounds like Peter Liewell has been doing a lot of scheming and bullying during lockdown! Lewell is so far up Doncasters arse he can see Lennons feet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Forever Hearts Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, TypoonJambo said: Lewell is so far up Doncasters arse he can see Lennons feet. You got that the wrong way round. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mikey1874 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, One five said: Anyone know what time the vote is? 5pm today is deadline to vote Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TypoonJambo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Forever Hearts said: You got that the wrong way round. Im sure they mix it up a bit, just for fun. Either way they all get a blowie and a big threesome post coital hug. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mikey1874 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 20 minutes ago, Felix Lighter said: It's something I've always wondered, in the post war period Hearts enjoyed their largest average attendances and were paying players a relative pittance. Along with the transfer fees you mention, and the acquisition of cheaper replacements the club must surely have been very wealthy. Begs a rather obvious question, doesn't it? How did the club arrive at the position of destitution in the mid 70's a mere decade later. No idea who were on the board back then, but seriously WTF. You could start a new thread on that. Interesting subject. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Smith's right boot Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 16 minutes ago, luckydug said: Presumably you'll stop posting on here if you're giving up Hearts 🤔 Yes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anderson5 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said: I wonder why their chairman had changed his stance? Especially given they will likely gain a guaranteed Europa League spot that they might miss out on if season played to a finish. I know they could still finish 3rd but still a big gamble on their part. Fear of our boycott. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Forever Hearts Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: 5pm today is deadline to vote Can we trust them to count the votes correctly? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigO Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, Forever Hearts said: Can we trust them to count the votes correctly? No Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Smith's right boot Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 hours ago, lost in space said: Is it worth it? Remember Celtic Park when we won the Cup in 1998 against Huns? Remember beating Hibs by 4 in cup semi final? Remember beating Celtic in semi in 2012? Remember 5-1? Remember Robbo / Hartley/ Adam/ Skacel etc YES, worth it. I remember putting rangers out just a few weeks ago--brilliant stuff. 3 trophies in 50 years while Scott brown has about 20 tho. Shite House tbh. If we get voted down, I'm out. Corruption, literally all about 2 clubs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mikey1874 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Forever Hearts said: Can we trust them to count the votes correctly? No And I don't think they will announce it today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davemclaren Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: No And I don't think they will announce it today. How long does it take to count 50, or so, votes? 😃 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jambo-Fox Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Neverforgetfiveone said: Tom English was on about this, could be a very lengthy and expensive process. Not to mention burning all bridges with the governing body - however much a bunch of useless excrement they are - it’s their baw! “..... burning all bridges with the governing body ....” Sounds like an excellent strategic plan!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Real Maroonblood Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 hour ago, jonnothejambo said: Doncaster must be walking like John Wayne these days. 'That'll be the day.' Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bajthejambo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 I would imagine that most clubs will have already submitted their vote? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigO Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, Smith's right boot said: I remember putting rangers out just a few weeks ago--brilliant stuff. 3 trophies in 50 years while Scott brown has about 20 tho. Shite House tbh. If we get voted down, I'm out. Corruption, literally all about 2 clubs. I kind of get where you are. There's nothing to say we or anyone else would win any more more without the corruption/guided incompetence in our game but the fact our two biggest ubs run roughshod over us all with every assistance they want wears me down. The fact they are only bigger than any of the rest of us doe to sectarianism in the first place doesn't help this. And even then, I can just about live with this as "the way it is" and hope we're the ones to bring it crashing down. But when our authorities, media and indeed other clubs shoot down every piece of forward thinking and point blank refuse to take a look at our game and release it from cronyism and self protectionists, then the whole thing does leave you on your knees wondering why you bother. Same goes for Scotland. It's all just so backward and uninspiring. And all designed to maintain a horrible status quo. But give up on Hearts? Don't think I could. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cruyff Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Prize money should be given as the positions stand but there should be no Champions, Promotion or Relegation. You cannot win a league or be relegated from one if you have not concluded fixtures. That would be Celtic don't get their title. Dundee Hibernian don't get promoted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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