Jump to content

SPFL and Covid ( Leagues 1 and 2 to restart )


Heres Rixxy
 Share

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 94.1k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

  • Mikey1874

    2099

  • Pasquale for King

    1723

  • Beast Boy

    1415

  • Ethan Hunt

    1598

Fozzyonthefence
16 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

The latest statement from TRFC

 


Two good statements from Rangers in a row to be fair - the dodgy new guy seems to be a lot better at statements than Traynor was.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Dusk_Till_Dawn
2 hours ago, Staneman said:

Ann Budge has let all our supporters down badly. Her recent statements smack of  passive acceptance of our fate. No matter her involvement in saving us from liquidation her inability to make rational and speedy decisions have cost us expensively the last 2 years. Toom Tabard comes to mind as she is now just an empty coat in charge at Hearts. No fight on the park anymore and no fight in the boardroom. We deserve better.
 

H H G H


Passive acceptance is Budge’s motto

Link to comment
Share on other sites

maroonsgotop
4 minutes ago, busby1985 said:

Rangers acting exactly how I wanted Budge to act. Expose every single under hand tactic the SPFL are using and show us (the fans) that we aren’t taking this lying down. Calling the league as it stands has been the SPFL’s and Celtics plan from day dot of the shut down. 

Felt for a long time that Scottish Football is being run by those of a green persuasion. No doubt they spent years wrestling control from the blue side who used to run matters. We are worse than South America and Italy for corruptness. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said:


That’s a lot of better chosen words to justify your previous poorly chosen few words.  I don’t think think you’re Hibs, just that your comments which sounded like they were belittling the most successful era in our history wouldn’t have been out of place there.

 

Fwiw I enjoyed some of the Romanov years, although most of them were dire if we’re being honest, but ultimately his irresponsible ownership almost cost us our club.  It’s a very fine line between the escape we had and being able to look back fondly on 2006 and 2012 to not having a club at all.


The thing is, I never said what you were accusing me of in the first place. I was forced to go in to that level of detail above, because you were twisting my words, whether intentionally or not.

 

My previously chosen words were accurate and not poorly chosen at all. You just jumped right in at the deep end without digesting them properly.

 

Edited by Special Officer Doofy
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Fozzyonthefence
2 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said:

 

That's an absolute disgrace.


Hardly surprising when you consider how they went about their business with the Rangers liquidation fiasco.  Doncaster should never have survived that.  He can’t be allowed to survive this, he has to go.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


Passive acceptance is Budge’s motto

Motto: Stricta parata neci
Motto Translation: I am prepared to destroy evil.

 

It's actually that. (I'm bored on lockdown.)🤷‍♂️

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Fozzyonthefence said:


Hardly surprising when you consider how they went about their business with the Rangers liquidation fiasco.  Doncaster should never have survived that.  He can’t be allowed to survive this, he has to go.


Doncaster is a six figure salaried puppet who needs Peter Lawell to hold his hand when negotiating TV deals. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

With null and void ruled out, Cellick don't half appear to be shiting it to play out the rest of the season.

 

Interesting.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Enzo Chiefo
4 minutes ago, jr ewing said:

Unfortunately the doctors agree with her. 

Not the ones that I have heard.  Social distancing is working and community transmission is reducing. She should focus on ensuring that NHS staff have enough PPE to protect them and stop transmissions  within hospitals. Perhaps she should also start explaining why she thinks it will take 4 or 5 months to reach a peak when the experts says we are close to it now.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, Hungry hippo said:

Superb statement by Rangers and I never thought I'd say that.

 

I really think Ann Budge is playing the good cop role as she knows we need to get the other teams on board or we have no chance.

 

Certainly not a formality that we'll be relegated.

Spot on re Budge. We have to keep our powder dry at the moment 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Not the ones that I have heard.  Social distancing is working and community transmission is reducing. She should focus on ensuring that NHS staff have enough PPE to protect them and stop transmissions  within hospitals. Perhaps she should also start explaining why she thinks it will take 4 or 5 months to reach a peak when the experts says we are close to it now.

 

Lockdown will be eased.

 

Shops maybe towards end of month. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Lockdown will be eased.

 

Shops maybe towards end of month. 

I work in retail and we have no intention of opening our stores again until June. We had a big meeting Monday (virtual meeting) and with Government advice have been told to hope for June as a reopen date. A small selection of stores in certain cities if approved by the government. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Lockdown will be eased.

 

Shops maybe towards end of month. 

 

So do you believe by the beginning of May we will all be back to how it was at the start of the year?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

kingantti1874
8 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Lockdown will be eased.

 

Shops maybe towards end of month. 


not a chance Mikey.. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hectormasson
27 minutes ago, TypoonJambo said:

As much as it pains me to say so, "well done TRFC, the bullying, backhandidness, corruption rland ineptitude needs bringing to the fore. Nobody listens to us but when they make noises people listen. 

" celtic orientated" gcsfa b.....s!!!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, jamb0_1874 said:

 

So do you believe by the beginning of May we will all be back to how it was at the start of the year?

 

No

 

But they are previewing easing things. How that is done remains to be seen. 

 

You can look at what Austria and the Czech Republic are doing for a preview. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Fozzyonthefence
16 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


Doncaster is a six figure salaried puppet who needs Peter Lawell to hold his hand when negotiating TV deals. 


Lawell would need to multi task for that.  He’s already busy with his other hand up Lennon’s arse, telling him what to say.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I am informed a minimum of Hearts ,Hibs, Aberdeen and Rangers will vote against the proposal today.  Let us hope that constructive discussions will now take place. A range of options must be put before clubs.  It is scandalous that Rangers proposal did not go on the table.    It is a clear conflict of interest on the part of certain board members of SPFL who's club may benefit from a certain course of action, to vote on what resolutions may or may not be considered.  They should consider that such conduct could be a key feature of any civil court proceedings that may ensue. 

I believe there is a stateable case to the Court of Session in the event that Hearts are ejected from the SPL without  the league being played to a conclusion. The action ,in my opinion, should allege breach of contract, with the aforementioned conflict of interest being laid before the court.  Remedies sought could include financial recompense plus interdict against SPFL proceeding without Hearts in the top league. 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

WoolfordsHearts

Hopefully newco's PR team can back these allegations up and it's not the usual victimised  p*** that comes from them.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, 25bhr said:

I am informed a minimum of Hearts ,Hibs, Aberdeen and Rangers will vote against the proposal today.  Let us hope that constructive discussions will now take place. A range of options must be put before clubs.  It is scandalous that Rangers proposal did not go on the table.    It is a clear conflict of interest on the part of certain board members of SPFL who's club may benefit from a certain course of action, to vote on what resolutions may or may not be considered.  They should consider that such conduct could be a key feature of any civil court proceedings that may ensue. 

I believe there is a stateable case to the Court of Session in the event that Hearts are ejected from the SPL without  the league being played to a conclusion. The action ,in my opinion, should allege breach of contract, with the aforementioned conflict of interest being laid before the court.  Remedies sought could include financial recompense plus interdict against SPFL proceeding without Hearts in the top league. 

 

 

The Aberdeen chairman on sportsound on Saturday basically indicated that the league had to called as it stands, don’t think they’ll be voting against it. The SPFL know that clubs in the top flight need the prize money paid out ASAP so know that pretty everyone except us and Rangers will vote for the proposal. Our best hope comes in the lower leagues. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

29 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


Yeah, I know. It was actually a very interesting point and I gave it a bit of thought, but I’m too young to be able to debate it, as all I have to go on are second hand anecdotes from people who were there, and the books that I’ve read. I just thought I had better make it clear that I wasn’t denigrating the achievements of the fifties team, before some absolute weapon jumped in and accused me. :thumbsup:

 

I started following Hearts at the start of the 1957/58 season. A lot of my memories are a bit hazy. 

From my own recollections and those of older family members the board of Hearts would have sold their grannies for a shilling. They sold Dave Mackay when he didn't even want to go. Not only that he went for a fraction of his worth. 

They then proceeded to sell both Alex Young and George Thomson in a double transfer to Everton thus breaking up the title winning side of 1960.

Not content with that there was the treatment of Willie Bauld with the club charging him expenses for his testimonial match even charging for the match ball. Willie Wallace to Celtic for 30k WTF. 

I could go on on and on but I'm sure folk get the gist. 

So would the Hearts board of the 50s and 60s have held the team together in modern day football ? 😂😂😂😂

Link to comment
Share on other sites

NaturalOrder74

Fair play sevco, they are absolutely right, They are using the money as a bribe to take advantage of struggling clubs to vote their way there’s no reason the money can’t be released 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Fozzyonthefence
2 minutes ago, WoolfordsHearts said:

Hopefully newco's PR team can back these allegations up and it's not the usual victimised  p*** that comes from them.


I’d be surprised i we don’t hear about alleged bullying from the lower league clubs after the vote. It’s exactly what happened with the Rangers vote 5 or 6 years ago.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

kingantti1874
Just now, NaturalOrder74 said:

Fair play sevco, they are absolutely right, They are using the money as a bribe to take advantage of struggling clubs to vote their way there’s no reason the money can’t be released 


correct

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Felix Lighter

As has been said by AB there should be no reason a straight forward rule change can't be implemented allowing prize money to be released.If ,as appears to be the case, the SPFL are holding a gun to clubs heads over cash payouts then that says to me that the SPFL are quite happy to sacrifice clubs in order to placate one.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hagar the Horrible

Reading the updated AB clarification statement, she has got to learn half the people in the media and punditry are morons and the other half just jump on any statement with a negative spin that Hearts and herself publish.  Everything Hearts do = bad; everybody else = Good.  How she is handling this situation in a business capacity clearly shows her acumen compared to the other chairmen who are treating this as how Football is run and should be run but?  But they may be right for their clubs, seen as doing the right thing is the right thing if this global happening is short term, we are doing the right thing based on ‘its going to be for the long term’. Running it as a football singularity and relying on football people has put us in the hiatus we occupy granted.  But we are in a good position to ride this out if football is suspended until the arse end of the year.  We might need to take further difficult decisions like not renewing contracts that expire in June and also we might be the first to invoke article 12 (Oh the seethe from the media, you can smell it) but when we come out of this we won’t have kicked a debt can down the road, and also out of contract players will still want their deferred wages paid in full.

Now here is the caveat for the furlough, its only agreed until 31st May?  It might be extended but only by a month as by then a lot of business will be allowed to relax and allow to re-open, but Football clubs won’t be, so the furlough will run out long before money comes running in?

So here is the wakeup call, In August clubs will have to pay that months’ salary plus the agreed deferred Salary of April, May, June and July.  Even if its half then, then the other half in February 2021.  It will be April, May and Augusts’ salaries and no football, and worse, if there is an Admin event, All football debt will have to be honoured so some clubs will have to pay potentially 6 months’ salary for an entire squad, by the new owners, or even the same owners.  The point is unnecessary legacy debt will hit them hard if they come out of this at the other side.  Oh and even if there is no admin event, it will impact on squad replenishment, having to pay staff for work not kicking a ball.

What AB needs is a decent press officer/spin doctor,  but at the end of the day even the negative press is still going to be good for us, and a massive GIRUY to the Weegia!!!!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Fozzyonthefence
2 minutes ago, NaturalOrder74 said:

Fair play sevco, they are absolutely right, They are using the money as a bribe to take advantage of struggling clubs to vote their way there’s no reason the money can’t be released 


I’m all for not calling the season now (unless no relegation) but yes for dishing out the prize money as it stands (maybe even with adjustments later if by some miracle the season is played out).  There may be a legal reason they can’t do this but if there is can’t the clubs / SPFL Board just change the rules?  They’re looking to change the rules anyway by relegating teams now.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Forever Hearts
6 minutes ago, luckydug said:

I started following Hearts at the start of the 1957/58 season. A lot of my memories are a bit hazy. 

From my own recollections and those of older family members the board of Hearts would have sold their grannies for a shilling. They sold Dave Mackay when he didn't even want to go. Not only that he went for a fraction of his worth. 

They then proceeded to sell both Alex Young and George Thomson in a double transfer to Everton thus breaking up the title winning side of 1960.

Not content with that there was the treatment of Willie Bauld with the club charging him expenses for his testimonial match even charging for the match ball. Willie Wallace to Celtic for 30k WTF. 

I could go on on and on but I'm sure folk get the gist. 

So would the Hearts board of the 50s and 60s have held the team together in modern day football ? 😂😂😂😂

£30k was a decent transfer fee between two Scottish clubs in 1966. His form had also dipped at Hearts. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

maroonsgotop
1 minute ago, Forever Hearts said:

£30k was a decent transfer fee between two Scottish clubs in 1966. His form had also dipped at Hearts. 

he'd probably been tapped up. I remember him scoring 4 first half goals in a league cup tie against Clyde (think we won 4-3) before he left so he was still scoring plenty.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said:

£30k was a decent transfer fee between two Scottish clubs in 1966. His form had also dipped at Hearts. 

 

1 minute ago, maroonsgotop said:

he'd probably been tapped up. I remember him scoring 4 first half goals in a league cup tie against Clyde (think we won 4-3) before he left so he was still scoring plenty.

 

Wallace had major issues with the Hearts board.

 

If he had been treated better it seems he could have stayed at Hearts. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Fozzyonthefence
3 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said:

£30k was a decent transfer fee between two Scottish clubs in 1966. His form had also dipped at Hearts. 

 
We wouldn’t pay much more than £30k nowadays yet we were signing players for around £500k or more as long ago as 30 years ago.  That’s how much Scottish foot has changed.  No wonder we can’t compete in Europe any more.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Seymour M Hersh
30 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

 

Doncaster must be walking like John Wayne these days.

 

His arse will look like the Japanese flag. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

maroonsgotop
Just now, Mikey1874 said:

 

 

Wallace had major issues with the Hearts board.

 

If he had been treated better it seems he could have stayed at Hearts. 

not surprised. I can remember the board being held in considerable disdain back then. Also remember being absolutely gutted when Arthur Mann got sold to Man City. This was all setting the scene for our eventual demise in the 70's

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Pasquale for King
1 hour ago, martoon said:

 

The Celtic situation, and the SPFL's need to kowtow to them, is particularly galling. All because of 9 or 10iar. Something that means feck all to anyone other than 2 ludicrous, despicable clubs masquerading as "giants". 

Playing on sectarian differences in another country, blighting our own, to make money. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Aberdeen apparently set to vote against... doesn’t look like vote will pass today 

Edited by R08813
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Enzo Chiefo
42 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Lockdown will be eased.

 

Shops maybe towards end of month. 

Yes, I agree Mikey.  They seem to be focussrd on that now. I think there will be another 3 weeks or so of lockdown and then early May maybe start opening coffee shops and other outlets . They can still have social distancing measures like takeaway only or reduced seating. There would be  no difference in going into all shops as we do now with newsagents and supermarkets,  with reduced numbers, 1 in 1 out etc. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Felix Lighter
13 minutes ago, luckydug said:

I started following Hearts at the start of the 1957/58 season. A lot of my memories are a bit hazy. 

From my own recollections and those of older family members the board of Hearts would have sold their grannies for a shilling. They sold Dave Mackay when he didn't even want to go. Not only that he went for a fraction of his worth. 

They then proceeded to sell both Alex Young and George Thomson in a double transfer to Everton thus breaking up the title winning side of 1960.

Not content with that there was the treatment of Willie Bauld with the club charging him expenses for his testimonial match even charging for the match ball. Willie Wallace to Celtic for 30k WTF. 

I could go on on and on but I'm sure folk get the gist. 

So would the Hearts board of the 50s and 60s have held the team together in modern day football ? 😂😂😂😂

 

It's something I've always wondered, in the post war period Hearts enjoyed their largest average attendances and were paying players a relative pittance. Along with the transfer fees you mention, and the acquisition of cheaper replacements the club must surely have been very wealthy.

Begs a rather obvious question, doesn't it? 

How did the club arrive at the position of destitution in the mid 70's a mere decade later.

No idea who were on the board back then, but seriously WTF. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

NaturalOrder74
20 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said:


I’m all for not calling the season now (unless no relegation) but yes for dishing out the prize money as it stands (maybe even with adjustments later if by some miracle the season is played out).  There may be a legal reason they can’t do this but if there is can’t the clubs / SPFL Board just change the rules?  They’re looking to change the rules anyway by relegating teams now.


everyone else on the planet is having to make changes due to these unforeseen circumstances, if they really had any interest in helping struggling clubs out they would make sure the cash was paid out one way or another. 
 

then you’ve got clubs like Livingston sucking it al up with a straw absolute morons 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 hours ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

Honestly, when you break it down, is it worth it? 

 

We exist to allow two clubs to win every league title in what.. 30, 40, 50 years. 

 

About 10 clubs will win a trophy in 10.

 

Beyond our small scope, players earn £500k a ****ing week. 

Really? 

Players bin Hearts because some English 3td teir te offered £5k a week. 

Farce tbh. 

 

**** it. I'll support Hearts but I binned Scotland football wise, and if we get voted to go down by other clubs I'll chuck it. 

Corruption isn't worth supporting, even indirectly. 

 

Got a family, I'm not relegious. Is it worth it?

 

 

 

 

 

Presumably you'll stop posting on here if you're giving up Hearts 🤔

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So the four biggest clubs outside Celtic in the country are set to vote against this.  Doesn’t that say something on its own?  The clubs not desperate absolutely desperate for the money don’t think this is legit.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

HardcoreJambo
11 minutes ago, R08813 said:

Aberdeen apparently set to vote against... doesn’t look like vote will pass today 

 

Aberdeen are after third spot and probably would have finished in that position had the league continued.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, HardcoreJambo said:

 

Aberdeen are after third spot and probably would have finished in that position had the league continued.


Is there that much of a difference between third and fourth?  I wonder what they will reject it on, league reconstruction must be the only way if they think the league can’t be finished. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Fozzyonthefence
10 minutes ago, R08813 said:

Aberdeen apparently set to vote against... doesn’t look like vote will pass today 


I wonder why their chairman had changed his stance? Especially given they will likely gain a guaranteed Europa League spot that they might miss out on if season played to a finish.  I know they could still finish 3rd but still a big gamble on their part.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • jkbmod 9 changed the title to SPFL declare league (2019/20) due to Covid (Arbitration panel upholds SPFL decision )
  • davemclaren changed the title to SPFL and Covid ( Leagues 1 and 2 to restart )

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share




×
×
  • Create New...