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Hectormasson
16 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


He’s remembered for saving us from death, two Scottish Cups, second place, Champions League qualifiers, retaining Hartley and Gordon, Skacel, keeping us at Tynecastle, 13 in a row, 1-5 and taking on the football authorities.

 

 

Thats what I meant 👌👍👍best hearts side since mid 80s and won a couple cups,,,, took no shit from the weege,,,, wish our people in charge had the same balls !!!!!!!

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Pasquale for King
1 hour ago, martoon said:

I find it difficult to accept the notion that Sky can take such an unflinching stance under the circumstances. People, cities, countries, governments, other sporting events are all having to adapt and be flexible in these strange times, why not Sky. Yes, a contract has been signed but this was, presumably, before this pandemic, and it's profound effects, were known. Is it even likely football can begin in August anyway? 

 

Many TV companies, BBC included, will have signed contracts to cover Wimbledon, for example. Are they all behaving as if Covid and it's worldwide impact shouldn't have any impact on them? 

 

If there is nothing to be gained by taking this demotion to court what about the football authorities? UEFA don't seem keen on declaring current tables as final. If this vote does go against us (and all that is fair and decent) could we not protest to them. 

 

The notion of Hearts being expelled from the top flight to keep Celtic and Sky sweet is disgusting. 

 

 

Good point, are Sky demanding money back from The Open being cancelled for instance?

I get the feeling they’re hiding behind the Sky deal as an excuse, Sky would face a media backlash if they demanded money back for this. 
Celtic are pushing for the season to be called and to **** with everyone else.

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davemclaren
4 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

As do I. Most successful owner in our history.

 

Romanov >>>>>> Budge

He left us heading for insolvency. I think the butchers, bakers and candlestickmakers in the 50s would rank above him in terms of success. 

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Just now, davemclaren said:

He left us heading for insolvency. I think the butchers, bakers and candlestickmakers in the 50s would rank above him in terms of success. 

Of course you would. Bit different in the days of the maximum wage and no freedom of contract.

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1 minute ago, davemclaren said:

He left us heading for insolvency. I think the butchers, bakers and candlestickmakers in the 50s would rank above him in terms of success. 


In a totally different landscape where money had not yet skewed the environment. 

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davemclaren
Just now, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Of course you would. Bit different in the days of the maximum wage and no freedom of contract.

Didn’t realise it was only most successful since the maximum wage was abolished that counted. Silly me. 

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davemclaren
1 minute ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


In a totally different landscape where money had not yet skewed the environment. 

Or international arrest warrants.  

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7 minutes ago, Hectormasson said:

Thats what I meant 👌👍👍best hearts side since mid 80s and won a couple cups,,,, took no shit from the weege,,,, wish our people in charge had the same balls !!!!!!!


86/98/05 >12

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Just now, davemclaren said:

Or international arrest warrants.  


Did money skew international arrest warrants? 🤷‍♂️

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Hectormasson
1 minute ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


86/98/05 >12

 

Just now, Special Officer Doofy said:


Did money skew international arrest warrants? 🤷‍♂️

1997/98 were great to watch,,,goals galore,,,

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davemclaren
Just now, Special Officer Doofy said:


Did money skew international arrest warrants? 🤷‍♂️

It certainly played a big part in his. However, surely it’s not up for question that the owners in the 50s were the most succesful in Hearts history.?

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Hectormasson
9 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Good point, are Sky demanding money back from The Open being cancelled for instance?

I get the feeling they’re hiding behind the Sky deal as an excuse, Sky would face a media backlash if they demanded money back for this. 
Celtic are pushing for the season to be called and to **** with everyone else.

Horrible c....s " wel never hate these b........s enough  imo!!!      That goes without saying mind ........

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Pasquale for King
4 minutes ago, Hectormasson said:

Horrible c....s " wel never hate these b........s enough  imo!!!      That goes without saying mind ........

A wee reminder every now and then doesn’t go amiss, there’s plenty of different reasons too.

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1 minute ago, davemclaren said:

It certainly played a big part in his. However, surely it’s not up for question that the owners in the 50s were the most succesful in Hearts history.?


Indeed. It’s such a different landscape however, you’d be as well comparing an Ichthyosaur with an Orca.

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7 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

Indeed. It’s such a different landscape however, you’d be as well comparing an Ichthyosaur with an Orca.

 

That can NOT just be a random pair of animals you've chosen... :lol:

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4 minutes ago, Boof said:

 

That can NOT just be a random pair of animals you've chosen... :lol:

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Of course not. Convergent evolution... I don’t exactly hide the fact I’m a natural history geek, Boof. :lol:


 

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6 minutes ago, Boof said:

 

That can NOT just be a random pair of animals you've chosen... :lol:

Neptunes ark.jpg


I’ll be buying that book on Amazon tonight though, cheers. :thumbsup:

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Im willing to bet with anyone.. Hearts will NOT be playing in a different league from Hibs next year. Or Celtic. No way will we be relegated. We can debate and argue but i am 100% sure it won't happen. 

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davemclaren
17 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


Indeed. It’s such a different landscape however, you’d be as well comparing an Ichthyosaur with an Orca.

Not really. Success is success and Hesrts most successful period was the 1950s. Romanov could well have overseen our most successful period but he blew it badly. 
 

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Just now, davemclaren said:

Not really. Success is success and Hesrts most successful period was the 1950s. Romanov could well have overseen our most successful period but he blew it badly. 
 


No, it is really. The landscape is so completely different between the two eras. You simply cannot compare. Do you honestly think the 50s players would have been at Hearts long enough to win what they did? In 2005-12? Don’t be so ridiculous. :lol: 

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Bazzas right boot
1 hour ago, martoon said:

 

If we all do that Tosh, Heart of Midlothian would die. 

 

All a bit cutting of your nose etc. 

 

 

Honestly, when you break it down, is it worth it? 

 

We exist to allow two clubs to win every league title in what.. 30, 40, 50 years. 

 

About 10 clubs will win a trophy in 10.

 

Beyond our small scope, players earn £500k a ****ing week. 

Really? 

Players bin Hearts because some English 3td teir te offered £5k a week. 

Farce tbh. 

 

**** it. I'll support Hearts but I binned Scotland football wise, and if we get voted to go down by other clubs I'll chuck it. 

Corruption isn't worth supporting, even indirectly. 

 

Got a family, I'm not relegious. Is it worth it?

 

 

 

 

 

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davemclaren
9 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


No, it is really. The landscape is so completely different between the two eras. You simply cannot compare. Do you honestly think the 50s players would have been at Hearts long enough to win what they did? In 2005-12? Don’t be so ridiculous. :lol: 

I can and do compare. My dad kept telling me as well. The 50s were Hearts most successful period and no amount of emojis will convince me otherwise. 
 

Good night 😎

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5 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

I can and do compare. My dad kept telling me as well. The 50s were Hearts most successful period and no amount of emojis will convince me otherwise. 
 

Good night 😎


It’s got nothing to do with emojis. You are either being embarrassingly obtuse, or you are just totally ignorant to the changes that have taken place in the last half a century in football. I’m going for the former.

 

Nowadays, the fifties teams would be picked apart before they even had a chance to rack up 250 games between them. 
 

( :lol: )

 

 

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Geoff Kilpatrick
53 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

Didn’t realise it was only most successful since the maximum wage was abolished that counted. Silly me. 

Everything's relative Dave. Next you'll be telling us that Covid-19 isn't a patch on Spanish flu. :rolleyes:

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Those who are saying there will be football in May?  Not in front of fans there won’t, unless you mean May 2021.  Do people not follow the news?  We will not be playing football again in the way we know it until there is a vaccine.  When we exit this initial lockdown we will enter a prolonged period of flipping between social distancing and lockdown determined by the capacity of the nhs.

 

There is no football in front of crowds until there is a vaccine.  Highly likely we will lose next season as well.  I fear today’s vote is almost academic and pointless.  

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manaliveits105

Today’s vote is a little bit about helping some clubs out and a huge bit about trying to get the plastic paddies to 9 in a row 

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Enzo Chiefo
7 minutes ago, Voxpop said:

Those who are saying there will be football in May?  Not in front of fans there won’t, unless you mean May 2021.  Do people not follow the news?  We will not be playing football again in the way we know it until there is a vaccine.  When we exit this initial lockdown we will enter a prolonged period of flipping between social distancing and lockdown determined by the capacity of the nhs.

 

There is no football in front of crowds until there is a vaccine.  Highly likely we will lose next season as well.  I fear today’s vote is almost academic and pointless.  

Pure speculation. Some scientists believe the virus will be curbed by another few weeks of lockdown and may appear again in winter. Others say that it may well disappear altogether and we will never see it again. Policy makers are starting to realise that prolonged lockdown may do as much damage to health and lives as the virus itself so it will never be a long term strategy. Life will probably be more or less back to normal by the scheduled start of next season imo.

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Dusk_Till_Dawn
4 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Pure speculation. Some scientists believe the virus will be curbed by another few weeks of lockdown and may appear again in winter. Others say that it may well disappear altogether and we will never see it again. Policy makers are starting to realise that prolonged lockdown may do as much damage to health and lives as the virus itself so it will never be a long term strategy. Life will probably be more or less back to normal by the scheduled start of next season imo.


That’s how I feel. Although I can see another peak of the virus in the winter.

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8 hours ago, JimmyCant said:

I don’t want to see ANY clubs going to the wall over this. For a start if the likes of St Mirren and Hamilton can’t survive this, just about every club below that level will probably go with them and some above that level. You’d end up with about 6 clubs left, and probably 4 of them in a right state for years to come. Scottish football as we know it would be finished.

 

Apart from which I want to see us get back to a place where clubs like that are coming to Tynecastle and going away with nothing to show for their visit but a right good hiding.

 

You might not think highly of their fan bases but at least they’re not catching a bus to Ibrox or Celtic Park every fortnight and the vast majority of them are common or garden football fans just like us. I dare say they have their share of pishy junky types but you only need to go to a few Hearts away games to see the nick of some of ‘our own’

 

Think carefully about what you wish for and think back a few years to when we were in real bother and some clubs helped us out a bit.

It's a big hun view from a mini him, to be expected from him. Sad to see a few other fans with the same view though.

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Seymour M Hersh

This whole scenario has the fingerprints of that fat ******* Rod McKenzie all over it. Unfortunately the GFA managed to secure the services of one of the UK's top sports lawyers when he left Harper McLeod to join the SFA in 2018. 

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Nookie Bear
19 minutes ago, XB52 said:

It's a big hun view from a mini him, to be expected from him. Sad to see a few other fans with the same view though.


Any Hearts fan who doesn’t want St Mirren to go to the wall is not a Hearts fan. 

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GorgieRules22
21 minutes ago, XB52 said:

It's a big hun view from a mini him, to be expected from him. Sad to see a few other fans with the same view though.

Big hun to mini hun view, nah just someone that’s no love for them 😉

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38 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

This whole scenario has the fingerprints of that fat ******* Rod McKenzie all over it. Unfortunately the GFA managed to secure the services of one of the UK's top sports lawyers when he left Harper McLeod to join the SFA in 2018. 

Mike Mulraney, SFA Vice President is accredited to be a key player in coming up with proposals, according to the DR link beloe, I know.

 

He is Alloa Chairman.

 

I wonder where Alloa are in the Championship table?

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Dusk_Till_Dawn
37 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:


Any Hearts fan who doesn’t want St Mirren to go to the wall is not a Hearts fan. 


Yeah, **** St Mirren.

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Fozzyonthefence
6 hours ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


No, it is really. The landscape is so completely different between the two eras. You simply cannot compare. Do you honestly think the 50s players would have been at Hearts long enough to win what they did? In 2005-12? Don’t be so ridiculous. :lol: 


What a ridiculous argument, you might as well speculate what if your Auntie had baws - it’s the kind of shite a Hibs fans would argue to dismiss our success as “tainted “.  The fact is they were there long enough, they did win all those trophies including league titles, and we won no lesgue titles under Romanov while he put us into administration, almost out of business.  It’s not even a comparison.

 

Between 1954 -62 we won 7 trophies, including 2 league titles.  Between 1950-60 we finished in the top 4 for 11 consecutive seasons.  That was real success but sounds like you wish it didn’t happen - they’d love your twisted thoughts on .Net, maybe you should post them on there.🤣🤣

 

 

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The Mighty Thor
3 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


Yeah, **** St Mirren.

We had the opportunity and shat it. 

 

Its why we're bottom today and being lined up for the shaft. 

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Dusk_Till_Dawn
1 minute ago, The Mighty Thor said:

We had the opportunity and shat it. 

 

Its why we're bottom today and being lined up for the shaft. 


Is true. In all this, no-one should forget the damage done to us by people on the inside 

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6 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said:


What a ridiculous argument, you might as well speculate what if your Auntie had baws - it’s the kind of shite a Hibs fans would argue to dismiss our success as “tainted “.  The fact is they were there long enough, they did win all those trophies including league titles, and we won no lesgue titles under Romanov while he put us into administration, almost out of business.  It’s not even a comparison.

 

Between 1954 -62 we won 7 trophies, including 2 league titles.  Between 1950-60 we finished in the top 4 for 11 consecutive seasons.  That was real success but sounds like you wish it didn’t happen - they’d love your twisted thoughts on .Net, maybe you should post them on there.🤣🤣

 

 


Your total lack of comprehension is amusing. 

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1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Pure speculation. Some scientists believe the virus will be curbed by another few weeks of lockdown and may appear again in winter. Others say that it may well disappear altogether and we will never see it again. Policy makers are starting to realise that prolonged lockdown may do as much damage to health and lives as the virus itself so it will never be a long term strategy. Life will probably be more or less back to normal by the scheduled start of next season imo.

 

You are making it up again despite being proven to be spouting nonsense on this topic exactly a week ago.

 

Next you will be saying Global Warming is a myth and man didn't land on the moon.

 

 

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lost in space
6 hours ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

Honestly, when you break it down, is it worth it? 

 

We exist to allow two clubs to win every league title in what.. 30, 40, 50 years. 

 

About 10 clubs will win a trophy in 10.

 

Beyond our small scope, players earn £500k a ****ing week. 

Really? 

Players bin Hearts because some English 3td teir te offered £5k a week. 

Farce tbh. 

 

**** it. I'll support Hearts but I binned Scotland football wise, and if we get voted to go down by other clubs I'll chuck it. 

Corruption isn't worth supporting, even indirectly. 

 

Got a family, I'm not relegious. Is it worth it?

 

 

 

 

 

Is it worth it?

Remember Celtic Park when we won the Cup in 1998 against Huns?

Remember beating Hibs by 4 in cup semi final?

Remember beating Celtic in semi in 2012?

Remember 5-1?

Remember Robbo / Hartley/ Adam/ Skacel etc

YES, worth it.

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Fozzyonthefence
36 minutes ago, EH22-Jambo said:


Why are the 12 Premiership teams voting on the lower leagues today when the vote on their league isn’t until 23rd April and for that vote is it all 42 again or just 12?

 

I thought the required margins were 9-3 for Premiership, 8-2 for Championship and 15-5 for the 2 combined bottom leagues.  How does that work if all 42 are voting on only 3 leagues today?  This sounds like a farce.

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Fozzyonthefence
4 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


Your total lack of comprehension is amusing. 


Your lack of intelligence is.

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Ann Budge has let all our supporters down badly. Her recent statements smack of  passive acceptance of our fate. No matter her involvement in saving us from liquidation her inability to make rational and speedy decisions have cost us expensively the last 2 years. Toom Tabard comes to mind as she is now just an empty coat in charge at Hearts. No fight on the park anymore and no fight in the boardroom. We deserve better.
 

H H G H

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On 04/04/2020 at 10:21, jambovambo said:

No chance a) it will restart in June, as the lockdown will still be in place and b) clubs would clamour for a "pre-season" ...

They may as well get ready for a prolonged break. I don’t think that there is any chance of major sporting events being able to resume until next year. Our football authorities as usual burying their heads in the sand over this situation. You hope for leadership and pragmatism from the people running the game here and we are let down time and again. This is a great opportunity to restructure the game here properly so that it works for everyone and not just the Old Firm and the TV companies.  It won’t happen though only because  the game here is run by intellectual pygmies and abject cowards.  A complete lack of initiative and a willingness to embrace new ideas at the top. It’s why Scotland will continue to be a fourth rate footballing nation.  I just wish we could escape this league and join the English set up.

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Saint Jambo
22 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said:


Why are the 12 Premiership teams voting on the lower leagues today when the vote on their league isn’t until 23rd April and for that vote is it all 42 again or just 12?

 

I thought the required margins were 9-3 for Premiership, 8-2 for Championship and 15-5 for the 2 combined bottom leagues.  How does that work if all 42 are voting on only 3 leagues today?  This sounds like a farce.

 

They are voting on all 4 leagues today. The difference is that the vote on the Premier is only to end it as is, if the league can't be concluded. But it is the SPFL Board that will determine that the league can't be concluded, it won't require another vote of the members.

 

The SPFL statement on their website is a better source than the media which are often doing a port job of explaining the detail.

 

The kicker is that the SPFL statement is clear that the SPFL Board have already concluded the league can't be concluded. But they need to wait for UEFA to say that ending leagues is OK to ensure a few Scottish clubs get to compete in Europe next season. That UEFA decision may come following their Exec meeting on 23 April. If they give the SPFL permission, expect a SPFL Board announcement that the league is over and Hearts are relegated within days.

 

So the SPFL claim that they need to make a decision now so they can release money. Even though that will burn a group of clubs who will be unfairly relegated or miss out on the chance for promotion through playoffs. Except that it won't actually be a decision for the Premier, but that won't stop them releasing money. Also while they could make a decision for the Premier now, they aren't willing to because it would potentially unfairly disadvantage teams that would qualify for Europe. The good of the game overall is the most important thing even if a small number of clubs are totally screwed over, unless the clubs that would be screwed over are Celtic and Rangers in which case their needs trump the overall needs. Nothing changes.

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1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Pure speculation. Some scientists believe the virus will be curbed by another few weeks of lockdown and may appear again in winter. Others say that it may well disappear altogether and we will never see it again. Policy makers are starting to realise that prolonged lockdown may do as much damage to health and lives as the virus itself so it will never be a long term strategy. Life will probably be more or less back to normal by the scheduled start of next season imo.


I agree with you but with a caveat that high risk people will not be out and about until June/July. 
 

The 10th of June date suits the boards of SFA/SPL that gives 6 weeks to the start of the league cup campaign. This is a carve up no doubt about it I am hoping we make enough noise along with Rangers to get these games played.

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1 minute ago, Rods said:


I agree with you but with a caveat that high risk people will not be out and about until June/July. 
 

The 10th of June date suits the boards of SFA/SPL that gives 6 weeks to the start of the league cup campaign. This is a carve up no doubt about it I am hoping we make enough noise along with Rangers to get these games played.

I hope that lower league clubs like Inverness realise that they are being screwed over and make League reform a precondition of any agreement.

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Thanks Saint Jambo.  It looks like the vote is going to be very close, possibly not quite enough votes to get this over the line at the first attempt (although I’m not clear what happens if one league votes differently to the others).  What is clear is if they added no relegation (like Belgium has already decided) this would get voted through, however, as that would constitute reconstruction it would need 11-1 from Premiership clubs then I believe two further votes.  This all goes back to Aberdeen not voting with the other clubs to bin the 11-1 requirement when Rangers weren’t in the league.

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