Fozzyonthefence Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Cruyff said: It doesn't matter if they didnt say the words. It's a statement which clarifies that they disagree with the proposal and if they didn't vote, they abstained. They're ****ed. Not really, if they haven’t voted they still have another 26 days to vote yes or no. That statement means absolutely nothing. Just like the one in the Aberdeen paper saying they were voting no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, Homme said: For someone that releases a lot of statements Ann is surprisingky quiet tonight. I'd have liked to have heard from her. To be fair is quite a shit show to get your head around - with our next statement likely to have legal connotations it needs drafted carefully not quickly In any event I hope she is on the phone to allies and Dundee re the Vote. If the SPFL can then we can too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambos1983 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: Double edged sword that unfortunately - last time in the Championship our big away support was a huge advantage to the team - as confirmed by the players. I get that. I won't be giving a penny to any club voting for this though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightrope Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Given what this could cost us, should a percentage of FOH subs be put towards a legal fighting fund? I would gladly pay more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumelzier Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Squirt said: What? I added to my post... Surely DFC can't change their minds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonsgotop Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: Double edged sword that unfortunately - last time in the Championship our big away support was a huge advantage to the team - as confirmed by the players. I was there for nearly all those games. I will only be at ICT next season if we go down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, tightrope said: Given what this could cost us, should a percentage of FOH subs be put towards a legal fighting fund? I would gladly pay more. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightrope Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 A few clubs must have lied to Mrs B given her previous statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 27 minutes ago, Jammy T said: fans banking on us being in the Championship for only one season shouldn’t be quite so confident IMO - neither should Budge I think the standard is poorer than the last time and i believe we would come out first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bazza Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 I dont think it really matters if Dundee vote yes or no. How can you release the results of a poll when the deciding vote has yet to be cast? It surely compromises the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zico Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said: You don't think those clubs already have lawyers? Yes I was aware of that. Wasn’t to be taken entirely seriously, given the Lionel Hutz and Saul Goodman posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonsgotop Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, tightrope said: A few clubs must have lied to Mrs B given her previous statements. including Dumpster no doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Jambos1983 said: I get that. I won't be giving a penny to any club voting for this though. The best retribution for these teams is to give them a pounding on the park with a big Hearts support there to taunt the feckers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: I am the opposite. Our next move needs to be spot on and we currently don't have a ****ing clue where anyone stands. Correct i would hope our lawyers are busy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirt Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Drumelzier said: I added to my post... Surely DFC can't change their minds The argument would be that they didn't change their mind, a vote was never cast. "A vote was cast, look at your statement, you implied you were going to vote no and then we got stories from the press saying you had sent a No vote in" "Aye? Prove it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: Double edged sword that unfortunately - last time in the Championship our big away support was a huge advantage to the team - as confirmed by the players. Maybe so, different circumstances. Our team will just have to grow a pair and get on with it. Should be no different to having only a few fans in Glasgow. We’re not going to be playing the likes of Real Madrid away next season. A bigger issue for me is if there is any chance of giving Hearts a donation on these away days, instead of going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambos1983 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, tightrope said: A few clubs must have lied to Mrs B given her previous statements. Hope she names them in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stevie1874 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 26 minutes ago, GorgieRules22 said: Strong statement tommorow needed, this will end up in court I hope so it’s about time weve nothing to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambos1983 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: The best retribution for these teams is to give them a pounding on the park with a big Hearts support there to taunt the feckers! not for me. Give them a pounding definitely. Get promoted and don't give them the big pay days they're wanting from us though. I realise others will disagree though Edited April 10, 2020 by Jambos1983 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Jamboelite said: I think the standard is poorer than the last time and i believe we would come out first time. I agree with Jammy - we’ll be in a worse situation as we are unlikely have the ability to clear out all the shite nor the money to start again from scratch Would you put any money on this lot to win any league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumelzier Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, Squirt said: The argument would be that they didn't change their mind, a vote was never cast. "A vote was cast, look at your statement, you implied you were going to vote no and then we got stories from the press saying you had sent a No vote in" "Aye? Prove it." Yeah I get that now but if DFC do vote Yes their city rivals get promoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Fozzyonthefence said: Not really, if they haven’t voted they still have another 26 days to vote yes or no. That statement means absolutely nothing. Just like the one in the Aberdeen paper saying they were voting no. If they didn't vote. It might prove they have been Coerced though if they do change their tune. Especially if there is evidence of that, but given their statement, I don't understand why they would then vote yes. They obviously want something, maybe they want to push through their proposal instead. They might have something better in mind. We'll soon find out. Either way, the vote is surely invalid as the SPFL broke their own rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, tightrope said: A few clubs must have lied to Mrs B given her previous statements. That’s the bit I don’t get. She sounded pretty smug that she had spoken to Clubs and was confident there would not be enough support for the proposals! She needs to wake up to the cess pit that is Scottish football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonsgotop Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: The best retribution for these teams is to give them a pounding on the park with a big Hearts support there to taunt the feckers! maybe, but I wont be there to hand over my cash to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Big Bazza said: I dont think it really matters if Dundee vote yes or no. How can you release the results of a poll when the deciding vote has yet to be cast? It surely compromises the outcome. That's it. The vote is null and void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Cruyff said: We'll see. Dundee obviously want something. They may want to push through their proposal, which may be a good thing for us. Don’t know if I’m being over cynical here but Dundee may have just played an absolute blinder for themselves. They’ve waited until after 5pm (if they didn’t really email that vote), now they know the whole of Scottish football and the SPFL are at their mercy. Now they couldn’t possibly gain out of this could they?🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 100% corrupt if Dundee change their vote from no to yes. Screams of Lawell interfering and offering them a few players on loan for the next season. Also doesn’t help when Gordon Strachan is involved high up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirt Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Drumelzier said: Yeah I get that now but if DFC do vote Yes their city rivals get promoted. Would have to be a pretty penny they are offered to accept it then I'd imagine..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonsgotop Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: That’s the bit I don’t get. She sounded pretty smug that she had spoken to Clubs and was confident there would not be enough support for the proposals! She needs to wake up to the cess pit that is Scottish football. stitched up like a kipper. Her legacy is now firmly on the line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: That’s the bit I don’t get. She sounded pretty smug that she had spoken to Clubs and was confident there would not be enough support for the proposals! She needs to wake up to the cess pit that is Scottish football. There wasn't at the time to be fair. There were 5 League 1 and one League 2 club that were seemingly set against it. Then all of a sudden, 3 of them have had their arm twisted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumelzier Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, Squirt said: Would have to be a pretty penny they are offered to accept it then I'd imagine..... Yup and good luck trying to placate their fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Famous 1874 said: 100% corrupt if Dundee change their vote from no to yes. Screams of Lawell interfering and offering them a few players on loan for the next season. Also doesn’t help when Gordon Strachan is involved high up there. Well Strachan's position there becomes a wee bit awkward if it happens given he was adamant the season must finish just yesterday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said: Don’t know if I’m being over cynical here but Dundee may have just played an absolute blinder for themselves. They’ve waited until after 5pm (if they didn’t really email that vote), now they know the whole of Scottish football and the SPFL are at their mercy. Now they couldn’t possibly gain out of this could they?🤔 I think they may have and the fact they came up with an earlier proposal makes me think, they want to see no promotion or Relegation or, the season concluded at a later date. Which for us, is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, Famous 1874 said: 100% corrupt if Dundee change their vote from no to yes. Screams of Lawell interfering and offering them a few players on loan for the next season. Also doesn’t help when Gordon Strachan is involved high up there. Strachan would have voted no i think going by his interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmcjambo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Cruyff said: If they didn't vote. It might prove they have been Coerced though if they do change their tune. Especially if there is evidence of that, but given their statement, I don't understand why they would then vote yes. They obviously want something, maybe they want to push through their proposal instead. They might have something better in mind. We'll soon find out. Either way, the vote is surely invalid as the SPFL broke their own rules. But what rules did they break? Dundee would just say they changed their minds after the statement and prior to voting. That's simply their right, and the statement is weak anyway. If a rule has been broken it could be that the results of the voting was published before Dundee voted (assuming they do vote), as no club should be aware they hold THE casting vote....that does compromise the process. But this depends if the rules lay out the process and stipulate this.....they bloody well should mind you. If so its a sound legal argument that the process should be void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, tightrope said: A few clubs must have lied to Mrs B given her previous statements. A few appear to have lied to the press too, or changed their minds (the suspension to 10th June could have been a game changer for some of the lower league teams). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirt Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Gmcjambo said: But what rules did they break? Dundee would just say they changed their minds after the statement and prior to voting. That's simply their right, and the statement is weak anyway. If a rule has been broken it could be that the results of the voting was published before Dundee voted (assuming they do vote), as no club should be aware they hold THE casting vote....that does compromise the process. But this depends if the rules lay out the process and stipulate this.....they bloody well should mind you. If so its a sound legal argument that the process should be void. Not to mention the only people who would have proof that they originally sent in a No vote would be Dundee and the SPFL themselves. And on the second point lets be honest, nothing is stipulated when it comes to Scottish Football. Edited April 10, 2020 by Squirt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said: A few appear to have lied to the press too, or changed their minds (the suspension to 10th June could have been a game changer for some of the lower league teams). Why was this date released just before the vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 hour ago, King Of The Cat Cafe said: The sensible thing would have been for the SPFL to have made interim lower payments now to all clubs, with the intention of paying the full amount on league position when/if the season finishes. Not often you see "sensible" and "the SPFL" in the same sentence, and today proved it. Ive said that earlier. Total prize money is £20M. Deduct say 20% clawback from TV companies. Leaves £16M. Could pay every club £900K now and still have wiggle room to sort it out finally at a later date Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 There's less duplicity, lying, cheating, backstabbing and general bawbagginess in a JKB Mafia game. Getting close to time to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: The best retribution for these teams is to give them a pounding on the park with a big Hearts support there to taunt the feckers! In an ideal world yes. We are going to need every penny we can raise to get through this so helping to fill the coffers of those that have sent us down is crazy. I'm sure our great support can come up with some organised proposal as to the way forward. It would be good if fans based their decision on away games on what is best financially for Hearts and not what a great day out East End Park or Dumfries is. Hearts need the money **** the rest of them.😠 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gmcjambo said: But what rules did they break? Dundee would just say they changed their minds after the statement and prior to voting. That's simply their right, and the statement is weak anyway. If a rule has been broken it could be that the results of the voting was published before Dundee voted (assuming they do vote), as no club should be aware they hold THE casting vote....that does compromise the process. But this depends if the rules lay out the process and stipulate this.....they bloody well should mind you. If so its a sound legal argument that the process should be void. You've answered it.👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Boof said: There's less duplicity, lying, cheating, backstabbing and general bawbagginess in a JKB Mafia game. Getting close to time to... might as well add in the shed there is a sign up thread for the next mafia game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Cruyff said: I think they may have and the fact they came up with an earlier proposal makes me think, they want to see no promotion or Relegation or, the season concluded at a later date. Which for us, is good. If the season isn’t played out then that is null and void. That’s been completely dismissed. I can only imagine, in their position, they want the season played out so they are involved in the play offs. This vote is all about self interest after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmcjambo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Squirt said: Not to mention the only people who would have proof that they originally sent in a No vote would be Dundee and the SPFL themselves. And on the second point lets be honest, nothing is stipulated when it comes to Scottish Football. If it's not stipulated then no one has broken any rules. No legal case. End off. I think there there will be a level of detail in the rules re this though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Am I the only one who is just a bit happy that we are finally looking like we might be about to grow a backbone, and fight these corrupt scumbags, like we should be doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five to One Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Looking forward to the Dundee statement as to why they backtracked. I’m sure it will be wholly transparent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RENE Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 As soon as the result of the vote, with three votes still to come. was released, you just knew this was going to court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 27 minutes ago, Homme said: For someone that releases a lot of statements Ann is surprisingky quiet tonight. I'd have liked to have heard from her. Nah better she stays quiet for now. We don't know yet what is going to happen with Dundee but it's obvious for everyone to see that the entire process has been corrupt as ****. We are best leaving them to hang themselves just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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