Next manager.

[Pasquale for King]

Just now, ford donald said:

 Lots happens,does not always make sense or seem fair,I would always look at the positives myself.

Top of the league for 11 games, great wins v Hibs, ending Celtic’s run, semi finals and a final, bring back Levein?

[Howdy Doody Jambo]

1 hour ago, A_A wehatethehibs said:

 

There is an element of myth to this in my opinion, i don't think it's the whole truth to brand the way St Johnstone played as "his" football, it was pragmatic football to maximise results with very limited resources. It shows a manager who is able to consistently get results with very average footballers and punch above their weight class. Not only that but over years got results against what he saw as "so called bigger clubs" including ourselves Hearts who've not won at St Johnstone in about 7 or 8 years or something, plus in the Scottish cup final where they beat hotshots Dundee United as major underdogs. That's what "Wright football" is IMO, it's underdog football, not respecting or laying down to bigger clubs. Fighting tooth and nail. He would have 5x the Budget to try to implement that underdog mentality at Hearts, we ARE the underdog club now, all of our rivals are streets ahead. 

 

Hearts fans just hate him because he always gets results against us and nullified our team. He never respected us as any bigger or more important a club than the club he managed. That IMO is exactly the attitude you need to be the Hearts manager. 

 

Wright is not as bad a shout as a lot of people on here claim. But he would have to do some job to actually win over the detractors, as many seem to have a special dislike for him over and above other managers who basically play the same football as him eg. Derek McInnes, Stephen Robinson - very little difference between their football and Wright, they just both benefit from bigger budgets + better youth systems, which enable better overall quality of player.

100% Great Post, as with good opposition player's that fans hate Wright would do for us 

A safer pair of hands 

[Ex member of the SaS]

47 minutes ago, busby1985 said:

Which is why I can’t see us just walking away from Stendel. 

Was that not Daniel's point when taking the job. He like Ann due to her loyalty and backing ( even though Levein was proving a disaster ). I doubt he would have taken the job had he thought we would dump him if he didn't keep us up.

[Ex member of the SaS]

44 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

I would promote a well thought of coach at the club or out with to become head coach and bring in an experienced director of football. 

 

Why do we need an experienced manager? The only successful manager we have had since Ann took over was in his first managerial role.

So you would go back to Levein's five year plan and promote from within. Exactly the situation the fans hated when the possibility of Jon Daly being promoted from within.

[ford donald]

34 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Top of the league for 11 games, great wins v Hibs, ending Celtic’s run, semi finals and a final, bring back Levein?

 

Signed enough duds to field several league teams in the juniors. Final, who did we beat to even get there! The man should have been emptied a long long time ago,wage thief.Levein,dont make me laugh.

[Ainsley Harriott]

14 minutes ago, Ex member of the SaS said:

So you would go back to Levein's five year plan and promote from within. Exactly the situation the fans hated when the possibility of Jon Daly being promoted from within.

Difference is it wont be craig levein steering things this time. Who would you appoint?

[Ex member of the SaS]

Just now, Ainsley Harriott said:

Difference is it wont be craig levein steering things this time. Who would you appoint?

Stated many times on various threads I don't follow other teams and managers, I leave that to people in the game with far more knowledge then myself. I have also stated we need someone who doesn't hold the fear of the OF, someone like Daniel who can go there and fight for a result and not wait until we are two down before making a fist of it.

[Pasquale for King]

2 hours ago, A_A wehatethehibs said:

 

There is an element of myth to this in my opinion, i don't think it's the whole truth to brand the way St Johnstone played as "his" football, it was pragmatic football to maximise results with very limited resources. It shows a manager who is able to consistently get results with very average footballers and punch above their weight class. Not only that but over years got results against what he saw as "so called bigger clubs" including ourselves Hearts who've not won at St Johnstone in about 7 or 8 years or something, plus in the Scottish cup final where they beat hotshots Dundee United as major underdogs. That's what "Wright football" is IMO, it's underdog football, not respecting or laying down to bigger clubs. Fighting tooth and nail. He would have 5x the Budget to try to implement that underdog mentality at Hearts, we ARE the underdog club now, all of our rivals are streets ahead. 

 

Hearts fans just hate him because he always gets results against us and nullified our team. He never respected us as any bigger or more important a club than the club he managed. That IMO is exactly the attitude you need to be the Hearts manager. 

 

Wright is not as bad a shout as a lot of people on here claim. But he would have to do some job to actually win over the detractors, as many seem to have a special dislike for him over and above other managers who basically play the same football as him eg. Derek McInnes, Stephen Robinson - very little difference between their football and Wright, they just both benefit from bigger budgets + better youth systems, which enable better overall quality of player.

I have a few problems with this. Rarely does he come out with his shite when they get beat off the OF, I only see him smile when he warmly cuddles Lennon.

Motherwell are about the same size but are more interested in youth than he is, from someone who worked under him, so they can’t be criticised for that. Folk hate him because he’s an arsehole, in the same way Levein is by other clubs. His style of football is unlikely to become attractive with the players we have, same goes for Robinson or McInnes. 

[ford donald]

45 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Top of the league for 11 games, great wins v Hibs, ending Celtic’s run, semi finals and a final, bring back Levein?

 

The only positive thing about  that is his a*** is out the door!

[Bazzas right boot]

1 hour ago, Cruyff said:

I'll say it again...... We're skint and if we lose the court case, we'll be even more skint. 

 

It'll be the cheapest manager going. 

 

Probably Derek Adams or someone as equally humiliating. Need to wind your expectations in chaps or you will be disappointed. 

 

The court case will Likley be paid by someone, Budge, JA. 

I can't see it affecting our playing budget. Ofc I could be wrong. 

 

We will still have the at least the 5th biggest budget in Scotland no matter what-whatever that's worth? 

 

And if we win and we can't be reinsted, we'll be rolling about in a gold pile, like in that cartoon with the rich uncle duck. 

I forget his name. 

 

I don't want Robbo, he's not that great and I'd hate for him to fail and then get ripped. 

 

Wright, no issue with him but tbh I don't think he likes us. 

 

Elvis, Hartley, Mcann - simply not good enough. 

 

D Weir was a shout if going for someone a bit fresh and new. Ultimate professional and a very under rated player with good experience at a high level. 

 

B Ferguson would probably be better playing for us tbh, would probably stroll the championship... 

 

 

 

Edited June 17, 2020 by Smith's right boot

[Bazzas right boot]

2 hours ago, A_A wehatethehibs said:

 

There is an element of myth to this in my opinion, i don't think it's the whole truth to brand the way St Johnstone played as "his" football, it was pragmatic football to maximise results with very limited resources. It shows a manager who is able to consistently get results with very average footballers and punch above their weight class. Not only that but over years got results against what he saw as "so called bigger clubs" including ourselves Hearts who've not won at St Johnstone in about 7 or 8 years or something, plus in the Scottish cup final where they beat hotshots Dundee United as major underdogs. That's what "Wright football" is IMO, it's underdog football, not respecting or laying down to bigger clubs. Fighting tooth and nail. He would have 5x the Budget to try to implement that underdog mentality at Hearts, we ARE the underdog club now, all of our rivals are streets ahead. 

 

Hearts fans just hate him because he always gets results against us and nullified our team. He never respected us as any bigger or more important a club than the club he managed. That IMO is exactly the attitude you need to be the Hearts manager. 

 

Wright is not as bad a shout as a lot of people on here claim. But he would have to do some job to actually win over the detractors, as many seem to have a special dislike for him over and above other managers who basically play the same football as him eg. Derek McInnes, Stephen Robinson - very little difference between their football and Wright, they just both benefit from bigger budgets + better youth systems, which enable better overall quality of player.

 

 

I agree with that, not sure about our rivals being streets ahead tho. 

 

 

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

27 minutes ago, Ex member of the SaS said:

Stated many times on various threads I don't follow other teams and managers, I leave that to people in the game with far more knowledge then myself. I have also stated we need someone who doesn't hold the fear of the OF, someone like Daniel who can go there and fight for a result and not wait until we are two down before making a fist of it.

Agree with that. Interestingly some of the best results we've had in glasgow have come with non scottish managers. 

[Cruyff]

21 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

The court case will Likley be paid by someone, Budge, JA. 

I can't see it affecting our playing budget. Ofc I could be wrong. 

 

We will still have the at least the 5th biggest budget in Scotland no matter what-whatever that's worth? 

 

And if we win and we can't be reinsted, we'll be rolling about in a gold pile, like in that cartoon with the rich uncle duck. 

I forget his name. 

 

I don't want Robbo, he's not that great and I'd hate for him to fail and then get ripped. 

 

Wright, no issue with him but tbh I don't think he likes us. 

 

Elvis, Hartley, Mcann - simply not good enough. 

 

D Weir was a shout if going for someone a bit fresh and new. Ultimate professional and a very under rated player with good experience at a high level. 

 

B Ferguson would probably be better playing for us tbh, would probably stroll the championship... 

 

 

 

We'll lose 5-6million in revenue and likely be fined by the SPFL if we lose the court case. So yes, we will be absolutely skint. 

[Agentjambo]

1 hour ago, Cruyff said:

I'll say it again...... We're skint and if we lose the court case, we'll be even more skint. 

 

It'll be the cheapest manager going. 

 

Probably Derek Adams or someone as equally humiliating. Need to wind your expectations in chaps or you will be disappointed. 

How are we skint?

[Leveins Battalion]

1 hour ago, Cruyff said:

I'll say it again...... We're skint and if we lose the court case, we'll be even more skint. 

 

It'll be the cheapest manager going. 

 

Probably Derek Adams or someone as equally humiliating. Need to wind your expectations in chaps or you will be disappointed. 

You can say it as many times as you like but it doesn't mean it's true.

 

Where is the evidence that we are skint?

 

Ann Budge has just literally spoke to the press to say she wants to hire a Sporting Director pronto.If we were that hard up.i'm sure this role would have been mothballed.🤷‍♂️

 

A strange summary to state we will appoint the  cheapest manager going,bizarre in fact.

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, ford donald said:

 

Signed enough duds to field several league teams in the juniors. Final, who did we beat to even get there! The man should have been emptied a long long time ago,wage thief.Levein,dont make me laugh.

You missed my point, every manager has positives. St Johnstone didn’t beat either of the OF to win the cup.

[Pasquale for King]

55 minutes ago, ford donald said:

 

The only positive thing about  that is his a*** is out the door!

Yes I’m glad he’s gone too.

[Pasquale for King]

Stendel happy to stay, it’s up to Budge.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/daniel-stendel-i-want-finish-job-hearts-it-will-be-ann-budges-decision-2886808

[Bazzas right boot]

31 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

We'll lose 5-6million in revenue and likely be fined by the SPFL if we lose the court case. So yes, we will be absolutely skint. 

 

Skint, compared to who? 

 

We'll still have the at least the 5th biggest budget in Scotland. 

[Marty Byrde]

34 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Stendel happy to stay, it’s up to Budge.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/daniel-stendel-i-want-finish-job-hearts-it-will-be-ann-budges-decision-2886808

 

Good as this is the most preferable solution IMO. DS should stay on as head coach.

 

We eventually brought in his backroom team so that was in place. Levein and MacPhee are gone. He obviously understands the financial hit he'll have to take.

 

If we can come to terms it's the most straightforward thing to do rather than rip it up again, causing more upheaval.

[Pasquale for King]

1 minute ago, Marty Byrde said:

 

Good as this is the most preferable solution IMO. DS should stay on as head coach.

 

We eventually brought in his backroom team so that was in place. Levein and MacPhee are gone. He obviously understands the financial hit he'll have to take.

 

If we can come to terms it's the most straightforward thing to do rather than rip it up again, causing more upheaval.

Absolutely.

[Cruyff]

24 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

Skint, compared to who? 

 

We'll still have the at least the 5th biggest budget in Scotland. 

How will we? 

 

We currently have the 4th or 5th biggest budget in Scotland. Aberdeens budget is certainly bigger, Hibs are thereabouts with ourselves. 

 

If we lost 5-6million in revenue, our trade restricted to 27 games instead of 38, we may have to pay SPFL legal fees and potentially damages then we may potentially be up to 6million plus worse off. 

 

And you're saying we'd still have the 5th biggest budget in Scotland?

 

So what you're suggesting is that we are currently spending 5-6million more than the team with the 6th biggest budget?

 

[Cruyff]

1 hour ago, Leveins Battalion said:

You can say it as many times as you like but it doesn't mean it's true.

 

Where is the evidence that we are skint?

 

Ann Budge has just literally spoke to the press to say she wants to hire a Sporting Director pronto.If we were that hard up.i'm sure this role would have been mothballed.🤷‍♂️

 

A strange summary to state we will appoint the  cheapest manager going,bizarre in fact.

 

Aye ok, we're absolutely rolling in it mate. That's why we had to cut our players wages. 

 

Sometimes i look on this board and think my fellow Jambos are beyond ****ing delusional. Folk thinking we'll have the 5th biggest budget in Scotland and that we can pay hundreds of thousands for a new manager in compensation and sign new players. 

 

Massive reality check needed. 

[Castle rock]

3 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

How will we? 

 

We currently have the 4th or 5th biggest budget in Scotland. Aberdeens budget is certainly bigger, Hibs are thereabouts with ourselves. 

 

If we lost 5-6million in revenue, our trade restricted to 27 games instead of 38, we may have to pay SPFL legal fees and potentially damages then we may potentially be up to 6million plus worse off. 

 

And you're saying we'd still have the 5th biggest budget in Scotland?

 

So what you're suggesting is that we are currently spending 5-6million more than the team with the 6th biggest budget?

 

Probably yes it would be  motherwell and/or Kilmarnock 6th and I would imagine our budget double theirs could be wrong just my thinking our budgets what 9m can't see either of those being more than 4 5mil max

[Cruyff]

3 minutes ago, Castle rock said:

Probably yes it would be  motherwell and/or Kilmarnock 6th and I would imagine our budget double theirs could be wrong just my thinking our budgets what 9m can't see either of those being more than 4 5mil max

Our playing budgets not 9million quid jesus h christ. 

[ford donald]

1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said:

Stendel happy to stay, it’s up to Budge.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/daniel-stendel-i-want-finish-job-hearts-it-will-be-ann-budges-decision-2886808

 

[DC_92]

9 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

How will we? 

 

We currently have the 4th or 5th biggest budget in Scotland. Aberdeens budget is certainly bigger, Hibs are thereabouts with ourselves. 

 

If we lost 5-6million in revenue, our trade restricted to 27 games instead of 38, we may have to pay SPFL legal fees and potentially damages then we may potentially be up to 6million plus worse off. 

 

And you're saying we'd still have the 5th biggest budget in Scotland?

 

So what you're suggesting is that we are currently spending 5-6million more than the team with the 6th biggest budget?

 

 

Losing £5m of revenue does not mean we will be cutting our budget by £5m.

 

I don't know exactly how accurate the figures below are but they won't be miles off. At this point we were marginally behind Aberdeen and a bit ahead of Hibs.

 

Back of a day packet stuff, but a £5m loss of revenue would be something like a 33% drop. If we were to reduce our wage bill accordingly by 33% then we would move from £138k to £92k, still well ahead of Kilmarnock in 6th place (even allowing for the fact the numbers may not be 100% accurate).

• Celtic - £895,564.
• Rangers - £649,771.
• Aberdeen - £140,461.
• Hearts - £137,942.
• Hibernian - £119,700.
• Kilmarnock - £68,412.
• St Johnstone - £62,691.
• Motherwell - £59,304.

I agree we won't be splashing any cash, especially as a lot of our wages are already tied up, but us still having the 5th biggest budget isn't a wild claim (although Dundee United might overtake us).

[DB-14]

3 hours ago, Debut 4 said:

Lower league specialist, Dick Campbell, surely due a shot at a bigger gig?

 

Absolutely not.

[ford donald]

New sport/football director will have a big say on who becomes manager,maybe things in place already.

[Cruyff]

3 minutes ago, DC_92 said:

 

Losing £5m of revenue does not mean we will be cutting our budget by £5m.

 

I don't know exactly how accurate the figures below are but they won't be miles off. At this point we were marginally behind Aberdeen and a bit ahead of Hibs.

 

Back of a day packet stuff, but a £5m loss of revenue would be something like a 33% drop. If we were to reduce our wage bill accordingly by 33% then we would move from £138k to £92k, still well ahead of Kilmarnock in 6th place (even allowing for the fact the numbers may not be 100% accurate).

• Celtic - £895,564.
• Rangers - £649,771.
• Aberdeen - £140,461.
• Hearts - £137,942.
• Hibernian - £119,700.
• Kilmarnock - £68,412.
• St Johnstone - £62,691.
• Motherwell - £59,304.

I agree we won't be splashing any cash, especially as a lot of our wages are already tied up, but us still having the 5th biggest budget isn't a wild claim (although Dundee United might overtake us).

It'll be a bit more than 33% id imagine if we lose this court case. 

[DC_92]

3 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

It'll be a bit more than 33% id imagine if we lose this court case. 

 

Maybe, but it'd need to be 50% to drop below Killie on those figures.

Edited June 17, 2020 by DC_92

[Pasquale for King]

24 minutes ago, ford donald said:

 

Absolutely 🤷🏾‍♂️

[Pasquale for King]

24 minutes ago, DC_92 said:

 

Losing £5m of revenue does not mean we will be cutting our budget by £5m.

 

I don't know exactly how accurate the figures below are but they won't be miles off. At this point we were marginally behind Aberdeen and a bit ahead of Hibs.

 

Back of a day packet stuff, but a £5m loss of revenue would be something like a 33% drop. If we were to reduce our wage bill accordingly by 33% then we would move from £138k to £92k, still well ahead of Kilmarnock in 6th place (even allowing for the fact the numbers may not be 100% accurate).

• Celtic - £895,564.
• Rangers - £649,771.
• Aberdeen - £140,461.
• Hearts - £137,942.
• Hibernian - £119,700.
• Kilmarnock - £68,412.
• St Johnstone - £62,691.
• Motherwell - £59,304.

I agree we won't be splashing any cash, especially as a lot of our wages are already tied up, but us still having the 5th biggest budget isn't a wild claim (although Dundee United might overtake us).

I agree but cutting our wage bill by 33% can be achieved by getting rid of players, 9 have left from last seasons squad and two or three big earners plus reduction for being the championship should cover that.

[Leveins Battalion]

36 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

 

Aye ok, we're absolutely rolling in it mate. That's why we had to cut our players wages. 

 

Sometimes i look on this board and think my fellow Jambos are beyond ****ing delusional. Folk thinking we'll have the 5th biggest budget in Scotland and that we can pay hundreds of thousands for a new manager in compensation and sign new players. 

 

Massive reality check needed. 

Whoa tiger.

 

Nobody has said we are rolling in it,approx 7000 season tickets sold already would give us more income than most no?

 

You have stated we are skint (again) yet offer nothing to back up your constant view on numerous threads that we are rooked.

 

 

Again Ann Budge has just announced she is looking to appoint a SD imminently to prepare with signings.🤷‍♂️

 

Played wages were cut by being proactive not reactive.👍 There is a massive difference. 

[Cruyff]

4 minutes ago, Leveins Battalion said:

Whoa tiger.

 

Nobody has said we are rolling in it,approx 7000 season tickets sold already would give us more income than most no?

 

You have stated we are skint (again) yet offer nothing to back up your constant view on numerous threads that we are rooked.

 

 

Again Ann Budge has just announced she is looking to appoint a SD imminently to prepare with signings.🤷‍♂️

 

Played wages were cut by being proactive not reactive.👍 There is a massive difference. 

We are skint. Skint means we have no money to spend. We do not. 

[Leveins Battalion]

12 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

We are skint. Skint means we have no money to spend. We do not. 

Why do we need money to spend?Historically we never have.

 

Thousands of players are going to be looking for employment after this ,in the market we operate we will still be able to compete for salaries and remain a draw .

 

If anything I hope it makes us more prudent rather than dishing out 4 year deals on £5k a week.

[jbee647]

5 hours ago, Jamhammer said:

 

And when we get out of the Championship? Sack em or status quo? The attitude above, prevalent in Scotland is why we get our arses handed to us more often than not in Glasgow. I appreciate the vast difference in finances/support make it very difficult but I honestly believe, psychologically we're beaten before we step onto the pitch a lot of the time because we persist with the same type of manager. The 5 year plan, ultimately failed but the theory behind it, IMO is sound. 

Get a DOF in who will be here long term.

Get a manager in who buys into the idea (NB This cannot be the same person as the DOF)

Coaches throughout share ideas and the teams, from kids up to first team work to a common theme

Recruitment is smarter/more targeted. The scattergun/project approach must stop

Essentially everyone has to be on the same page and pulling in the same direction.

 

My fear is that now, because of where we are the attitude will be "Well we tried something different. It didn't work so lets go back to doing what everyone else does and accept third best with an occasional cup run is our place"

 

 

 

I’ve been following Hearts for 50 years, but I’m afraid that’s where we are, when I was younger I believed one day we might realistically challenge the old firm, but I’ve realised for a number of years the best we can be is best of the rest, let’s be honest if we ever developed a decent side they would be gone by the time we had the chance to make a challenge for the title.

Im an optimistic person by nature, but when it comes to Hearts and our place in Scottish Football I’m a realist 

[Agentjambo]

2 minutes ago, jbee647 said:

I’ve been following Hearts for 50 years, but I’m afraid that’s where we are, when I was younger I believed one day we might realistically challenge the old firm, but I’ve realised for a number of years the best we can be is best of the rest, let’s be honest if we ever developed a decent side they would be gone by the time we had the chance to make a challenge for the title.

Im an optimistic person by nature, but when it comes to Hearts and our place in Scottish Football I’m a realist 

We challenged when Burley was here,who knows what would have happened if he had stayed.

[jbee647]

1 minute ago, Agentjambo said:

We challenged when Burley was here,who knows what would have happened if he had stayed.

That was 15 years ago, things have moved on dramatically since then, Celtic financially moved over the horizon, and without the help of an Arab sheik we can’t compete, obviously the occasional game or cup tie it’s possible, but challenging for league titles consistently.... no chance

[Jamhammer]

7 minutes ago, jbee647 said:

I’ve been following Hearts for 50 years, but I’m afraid that’s where we are, when I was younger I believed one day we might realistically challenge the old firm, but I’ve realised for a number of years the best we can be is best of the rest, let’s be honest if we ever developed a decent side they would be gone by the time we had the chance to make a challenge for the title.

Im an optimistic person by nature, but when it comes to Hearts and our place in Scottish Football I’m a realist 

I’m a dreamer. You gotta dream when you’re Hearts & West Ham 

[Jamhammer]

8 minutes ago, Agentjambo said:

We challenged when Burley was here,who knows what would have happened if he had stayed.

And under Alex & Sandy. I know things have moved on since then but the fact that we’ve also split the OF a couple of times gives me hope

[Bazzas right boot]

30 minutes ago, jbee647 said:

I’ve been following Hearts for 50 years, but I’m afraid that’s where we are, when I was younger I believed one day we might realistically challenge the old firm, but I’ve realised for a number of years the best we can be is best of the rest, let’s be honest if we ever developed a decent side they would be gone by the time we had the chance to make a challenge for the title.

Im an optimistic person by nature, but when it comes to Hearts and our place in Scottish Football I’m a realist 

 

True to an extent. 

 

Leicester, A Madrid will always give hope over 1 season. 

 

Getting to be regularly 3rd/4th has to be our medium term goal tho, anything else a bonus, anything worse meh. 

 

Celtic are financially over the horizon, rangers tho are wobbly. 

 

We will also be in our best place financiall ever,  probably are even now despite the shit show on the park. 

 

We have more immediate concerns atm. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 17, 2020 by Smith's right boot

[jbee647]

14 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

True to an extent. 

 

Leicester, A Madrid will always give hope over 1 season. 

 

Getting to be regularly 3rd/4th has to be our medium term goal tho, anything else a bonus, anything worse meh. 

 

Celtic are financially over the horizon, rangers tho are wobbly. 

 

We will also be in our best place financiall ever,  probably are even now despite the shit show on the park. 

 

We have more immediate concerns atm. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Correct, no need to worry about anyone else but ourself, we must get out of the championship at the first time of asking with the minimum of fuss

thinking further ahead than next season is pointless at this point in time 

[A_A wehatethehibs]

4 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

I have a few problems with this. Rarely does he come out with his shite when they get beat off the OF, I only see him smile when he warmly cuddles Lennon.

Motherwell are about the same size but are more interested in youth than he is, from someone who worked under him, so they can’t be criticised for that. Folk hate him because he’s an arsehole, in the same way Levein is by other clubs. His style of football is unlikely to become attractive with the players we have, same goes for Robinson or McInnes. 

 

Motherwell are not the same size, they're about twice the club St Johnstone is IMO. A lot of old firm glory hunters in Motherwell but they tend to get a groundswell of those OF fans turning up for certain games, for a big game, they can get a good atmosphere going, it's a football town 100%. Perth on the other hand is not a football town, you could hear a penny drop at their stadium even during entertaining games like the recent 3-3 draw we had up there.

 

The point I was making was that you've said it's "his" style of football, I think that is a bit of a myth, I don't see any difference between that football and what Aberdeen and Motherwell serve up in 3rd and 4th place - or Hearts and Hibs for that matter in recent seasons, physical battling, fouls, dives, time wasting when you're drawing 0-0 away in a hard game. All the teams do that stuff, yet Wright it gets called "his" style of football, because he has not had access to the quality match winner type players like Naismith or Rooney or Lafferty or those who get produced by good youth setups like Turnbull or Ferguson or Hickey, these players have the quality to produce class moments which distract fans from dark arts tactics. In the one year St Johnstone did produce a very good player Stevie May in 2016, Wright maximised that and bagged silverware. All other years, he has got the results and got them into the top 6 consistently through team performances that get points. I'd like to see some team performances that get points from Hearts, I can think of PLENTY of occasions where I've seen us look like we are playing with 8 or 9 players due to passenger individuals, the Sean Clares, Jamie Walkers etc who go missing in games. 

 

I'm not 100% keen for Wright or anything, just think it's important to consider the positive side of any candidate, he is not as bad a shout as some negative minded Hearts fans make out. In fact actually his never say die underdog attitude, might be a very good fit for the tight Tynecastle pitch and noisy crowd. 

 

But in any case it looks like Stendell is very keen to stay on so I have a feeling that is the route we'll take. For some reason I just get a feeling and I wouldn't throw toys out the pram, more than anyone he deserved those 8 games to show what he was made of but he was denied. So I think he will get his chance to start a revolution. 

 

 

Edited June 17, 2020 by A_A wehatethehibs

[Debut 4]

2 hours ago, SteauaNeedarest said:

 

Absolutely not.

You sure?

[Bazzas right boot]

3 hours ago, Cruyff said:

How will we? 

 

We currently have the 4th or 5th biggest budget in Scotland. Aberdeens budget is certainly bigger, Hibs are thereabouts with ourselves. 

 

If we lost 5-6million in revenue, our trade restricted to 27 games instead of 38, we may have to pay SPFL legal fees and potentially damages then we may potentially be up to 6million plus worse off. 

 

And you're saying we'd still have the 5th biggest budget in Scotland?

 

So what you're suggesting is that we are currently spending 5-6million more than the team with the 6th biggest budget?

 

 

 

If we lost £5-£6m, well be on about £9-10m turnover. 

 

Everybody will have lost a % of revenue, so who in Scotland outwith 

Aberdeen, hibs, Of will have a turnover of around or over  £10m and have a foundation and benefactors. 

 

 

The covid effects will hit every club, not just ours, the effects on crowds will Likley effect the top clubs more, but who knows. 

 

For comparison outside the bigger 5 clubs, Motherwell were just shy of £5m turnover for May 19 accounts made public in Dec 19 and made almost a £500k loss. 

 

We aren't skint. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 17, 2020 by Smith's right boot

[Bazzas right boot]

4 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Stendel happy to stay, it’s up to Budge.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/daniel-stendel-i-want-finish-job-hearts-it-will-be-ann-budges-decision-2886808

 

 

I'm happy with that. 

 

We can build and then hit the top flight like we did under Robbie. 

 

Football is ****ed anyway, every club will take hit in some way. 

 

Hopefully have a wee £5m or so boost as well to stick in the bank in prep for top flight football. 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, A_A wehatethehibs said:

 

Motherwell are not the same size, they're about twice the club St Johnstone is IMO. A lot of old firm glory hunters in Motherwell but they tend to get a groundswell of those OF fans turning up for certain games, for a big game, they can get a good atmosphere going, it's a football town 100%. Perth on the other hand is not a football town, you could hear a penny drop at their stadium even during entertaining games like the recent 3-3 draw we had up there.

 

The point I was making was that you've said it's "his" style of football, I think that is a bit of a myth, I don't see any difference between that football and what Aberdeen and Motherwell serve up in 3rd and 4th place - or Hearts and Hibs for that matter in recent seasons, physical battling, fouls, dives, time wasting when you're drawing 0-0 away in a hard game. All the teams do that stuff, yet Wright it gets called "his" style of football, because he has not had access to the quality match winner type players like Naismith or Rooney or Lafferty or those who get produced by good youth setups like Turnbull or Ferguson or Hickey, these players have the quality to produce class moments which distract fans from dark arts tactics. In the one year St Johnstone did produce a very good player Stevie May in 2016, Wright maximised that and bagged silverware. All other years, he has got the results and got them into the top 6 consistently through team performances that get points. I'd like to see some team performances that get points from Hearts, I can think of PLENTY of occasions where I've seen us look like we are playing with 8 or 9 players due to passenger individuals, the Sean Clares, Jamie Walkers etc who go missing in games. 

 

I'm not 100% keen for Wright or anything, just think it's important to consider the positive side of any candidate, he is not as bad a shout as some negative minded Hearts fans make out. In fact actually his never say die underdog attitude, might be a very good fit for the tight Tynecastle pitch and noisy crowd. 

 

But in any case it looks like Stendell is very keen to stay on so I have a feeling that is the route we'll take. For some reason I just get a feeling and I wouldn't throw toys out the pram, more than anyone he deserved those 8 games to show what he was made of but he was denied. So I think he will get his chance to start a revolution. 

 

 

I would prefer eww played better football than all those clubs you’ve mentioned and those managers. For the last time Tommy Wright has no interest in youth teams or bringing through youngsters, whether they have them or not. 
Thank **** Stendel wants to stay because the alternatives mentioned are dire.

[Bazzas right boot]

4 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

I would prefer eww played better football than all those clubs you’ve mentioned and those managers. For the last time Tommy Wright has no interest in youth teams or bringing through youngsters, whether they have them or not. 
Thank **** Stendel wants to stay because the alternatives mentioned are dire.

 

Agreed. 

[Arthur Morgan]

Let's keep him please.