The rise and fall of The SNP.

[Cade]

Scotland can't borrow money.

It HAS TO balance the books each year based on the grant given by London.

The Scottish Parliament has been given limited powers to raise extra revenue by changing tax brackets but it's obvious that this won't ever be used in a way that affects any large amount of the population as it will be used as a political football and for that reason the tax brackets have only changed by a few pennies each way.

 

Westminster, on the other hand, choses to borrow eye watering amounts and shovel it into the pockets of their pals and then make the general population pay for the interest.

[AlimOzturk]

Wtf has Salmond and this Russian TV programme got to do with Scottish elections? He wasn’t in politics at the time and it was a totally independent broadcast.  Why was he being asked his opinion about Salisbury poisoning? What the **** has that got to do with him or anything remotely to do with the Scottish elections? How can anyone come to the conclusion that Alex Salmond is some sort of undercover agent working for Russia?

🤦‍♀️
 

I have just listened to the bbc radio broadcast and Salmond absolutely roasted the interviewer. 

[Pans Jambo]

21 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

It is a burden when there are not enough taxpayers to fund all the demands on the system. The problem in this country is too many people expect the state to do everything for them.  There are constant demands for more and more money to be thrown at everything from the NHS, benefits, pensions etc. Why not compare unemployment benefit, or benefits in general? Why do you think migrants hot foot it through France to get to the UK? Because they wouldn't get access to anything like the level of benefits that they do in the UK. In Spain, you get only 1 year of unemployment benefit, albeit at the same rate of pay as your previous job, and then you're on your own. 

But the lazy default in this country is always...boooo! Britain bad!

Unyet we can find the money to pay £BILLIONS in nuclear subs and additional warheads that nobody needs or even wants...BILLIONS that don't benefit anyone!

 

Government is there to support its citizens. Not the other way around.

 

People have lost sight of that.

[Smithee]

3 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Unyet we can find the money to pay £BILLIONS in nuclear subs and additional warheads that nobody needs or even wants...BILLIONS that don't benefit anyone!

 

Government is there to support its citizens. Not the other way around.

 

People have lost sight of that.

[gjcc]

2 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

Wtf has Salmond and this Russian TV programme got to do with Scottish elections? He wasn’t in politics at the time and it was a totally independent broadcast.  Why was he being asked his opinion about Salisbury poisoning? What the **** has that got to do with him or anything remotely to do with the Scottish elections? How can anyone come to the conclusion that Alex Salmond is some sort of undercover agent working for Russia?

🤦‍♀️
 

I have just listened to the bbc radio broadcast and Salmond absolutely roasted the interviewer. 

Because people like to bring irrelevant stuff to the table to attempt to discredit rather than answer the questions posed to them. 
 

It’s pretty easy to do. 
Like When BJ was trying to make pals with Putin whilst BJ was foreign Secretary. He probably regrets it now. 

[Roxy Hearts]

53 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

Wtf has Salmond and this Russian TV programme got to do with Scottish elections? He wasn’t in politics at the time and it was a totally independent broadcast.  Why was he being asked his opinion about Salisbury poisoning? What the **** has that got to do with him or anything remotely to do with the Scottish elections? How can anyone come to the conclusion that Alex Salmond is some sort of undercover agent working for Russia?

🤦‍♀️
 

I have just listened to the bbc radio broadcast and Salmond absolutely roasted the interviewer. 

British propaganda as usual. They'll just jump on any negative story and either embellish or contort it. Alex normally roasts interviewers. Good on him and need more of it especially from the SNP!

[David McCaig]

On 22/02/2020 at 00:03, Zlatanable said:

Back in 2007, it was a very different picture. 

The Holyrood result in 2011 broke the system and allowed a minority view to overshadow the people of Scotland ever since.

 

Since then,  Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon have both failed in their only objective. 

The cost of pursuing an 'the end justifies the means' campaign is returning home to roost. 

And that is before any mention of sexual/financial indiscretions, that have been reported so far.

 

Now, in 2020, it seems like The SNP are finished. 

 

Always worth remembering how this thread started... Lol 

[jack D and coke]

1 hour ago, David McCaig said:

Always worth remembering how this thread started... Lol 

 

[Seymour M Hersh]

My word the extras from Braveheart are awfully noisy today. 

[Smithee]

34 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

My word the extras from Braveheart are awfully noisy today. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

Just now, Smithee said:

 

That'll be you front and centre no doubt. 

[Hunky Dory]

Could the mods please change the title to “The Rise and Rise of the SNP” please?

 

Over a decade in power and in line for another stonking majority.

 

Get it roond ye.

[Boy Daniel]

12 minutes ago, Hunky Dory said:

Could the mods please change the title to “The Rise and Rise of the SNP” please?

 

Over a decade in power and in line for another stonking majority.

 

Get it roond ye.

Was their last election win not a minority and had to be propped up by the Greens? 

[jambos are go!]

I see from a full page advert in the Daily Record that N.H.S. Scotland have dumped FACTS in favour of Hands Space Face.

Edited April 7 by jambos are go!
Incomplete

[pablo]

1 hour ago, Boy Daniel said:

Was their last election win not a minority and had to be propped up by the Greens? 

 

You mean there's already been a "supermajority" for Independence and they're still no nearer a second referendum? 

[manaliveits105]

Yep

[Cade]

1 hour ago, Boy Daniel said:

Was their last election win not a minority and had to be propped up by the Greens? 

 

You seem confused as how how the Scottish system works.

It's not supposed to be possible to get a majority.

Consensus politics and coalition is by design.

 

[JamesM48]

4 hours ago, David McCaig said:

Always worth remembering how this thread started... Lol 

The SNP will be finished once they lose the next Indy Ref and believe me they will. Sturgeon knows this and will not want an early Indy as its curtains for her.  I bet itll be a couple years before she even considers it despite the crap spouting from her at the election hustings just now. She will blame Westminster yet again as Boris will say no to a Ref but if hes shrewd which I doubt he should call her bluff.  She will shit it

[Boy Daniel]

21 minutes ago, Cade said:

 

You seem confused as how how the Scottish system works.

It's not supposed to be possible to get a majority.

Consensus politics and coalition is by design.

 

Im not confused I’m just pointing out a fact. 

[AlimOzturk]

8 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

The SNP will be finished once they lose the next Indy Ref and believe me they will. Sturgeon knows this and will not want an early Indy as its curtains for her.  I bet itll be a couple years before she even considers it despite the crap spouting from her at the election hustings just now. She will blame Westminster yet again as Boris will say no to a Ref but if hes shrewd which I doubt he should call her bluff.  She will shit it

If he calls her bluff and she shits it she is also done. SNP simply have to live up the independence manifesto otherwise their hard core will flock to Alba. Alba are not standing against them in the regionals this time but if they bottle it from the chance of a referendum then they will stand against them next time. 

Edited April 7 by AlimOzturk

[JamesM48]

1 minute ago, AlimOzturk said:

If he calls her bluff and she shits it she is also done. SNP simply have to live up the independence manifesto otherwise their hard core will flock to Alba. 

👍  I voted Yes in 2014 and will probably be yes again. But I think theres been a real change due to covid and the media will ramp it up big style about this . how the UK saved us etc. Itlll be relentless again. Plus the economic argument is lost now due to the state of the economy now due to covid. People maninly vote SNP due to their independence stance.

[AlimOzturk]

1 hour ago, JamesM48 said:

👍  I voted Yes in 2014 and will probably be yes again. But I think theres been a real change due to covid and the media will ramp it up big style about this . how the UK saved us etc. Itlll be relentless again. Plus the economic argument is lost now due to the state of the economy now due to covid. People maninly vote SNP due to their independence stance.

They have 5 years to get another referendum otherwise their purpose will be called into question. The SNP have 1 purpose and that is independence. I don’t mind them governing in mean time as long as that purpose is never forgotten. That’s why I think Alba are important as they will put a rocket up their arse. 

[Governor Tarkin]

3 hours ago, Hunky Dory said:

Get it roond ye.

 

^^^^ This post sums it up pretty well.

 

Your more vocal separatists couldn't give a shiny shite about the implications or details, as long as they can get it up the Tories (and everyone else who may have genuine concerns be damned).

 

I remember in less enlightened times we could be openly racist and freely name the English as the bogey men, the source of of all our ills, and the general target of our patriotic, nationalist ire. Now we've rounded it down to Tories we sound much more respectable.

Kind of like how Brexit was framed as taking control of our borders, when for many it was about keeping the assorted brown folk, muslims, and slavs out.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 7 by Governor Tarkin

[Hunky Dory]

7 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

^^^^ This post sums it up pretty well.

 

You're more vocal separatists couldn't give a shiny shite about the implications or details, as long as they can get it up the Tories (and everyone else who may have genuine concerns be damned).

 

I remember in less enlightened times we could be openly racist and freely name the English as the bogey men, the source of of all our ills, and the general target of our patriotic, nationalist ire. Now we've rounded it down to Tories we sound much more respectable.

Kind of like how Brexit was framed as taking control of our borders, when for many it was about keeping the assorted brown folk, muslims, and slavs out.

 

 

Very profound and deeply insightful, but way wide of the mark.

[Governor Tarkin]

Just now, Hunky Dory said:

Very profound and deeply insightful, but way wide of the mark.

 

You've misspelled 'bang on the cash'.

[Mikey1874]

8 hours ago, AlimOzturk said:

Wtf has Salmond and this Russian TV programme got to do with Scottish elections? He wasn’t in politics at the time and it was a totally independent broadcast.  Why was he being asked his opinion about Salisbury poisoning? What the **** has that got to do with him or anything remotely to do with the Scottish elections? How can anyone come to the conclusion that Alex Salmond is some sort of undercover agent working for Russia?

🤦‍♀️
 

I have just listened to the bbc radio broadcast and Salmond absolutely roasted the interviewer. 

 

7 hours ago, Roxy Hearts said:

British propaganda as usual. They'll just jump on any negative story and either embellish or contort it. Alex normally roasts interviewers. Good on him and need more of it especially from the SNP!

 

A fair question. 

 

Another question is if Alex Salmond's life is dedicated only to Scottish independence why does he appear on Russian state funded TV, therefore giving it credibility. 

 

On the matter of Salisbury, similar say to encouraging people to take the Covid vaccine, Alex Salmond is a man of credibility, power and authority (sorry Nicola, but he is). He has cast doubt on the credible evidence this was a state attack and so casting doubt on that is just succour to Russia and the conspiracy theorists. 

 

One day an independent Scotland will have its own foreign policy and will have to decide who it wishes to be friends with. 

[Janbo1874]

1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

^^^^ This post sums it up pretty well.

 

Your more vocal separatists couldn't give a shiny shite about the implications or details, as long as they can get it up the Tories (and everyone else who may have genuine concerns be damned).

 

I remember in less enlightened times we could be openly racist and freely name the English as the bogey men, the source of of all our ills, and the general target of our patriotic, nationalist ire. Now we've rounded it down to Tories we sound much more respectable.

Kind of like how Brexit was framed as taking control of our borders, when for many it was about keeping the assorted brown folk, muslims, and slavs out.

 

 

 

 

^^^^ This post nails it.

Well done Guv.

[Hunky Dory]

8 minutes ago, Janbo1874 said:

^^^^ This post nails it.

Well done Guv.

Which version? He edited it about six times.

 

He’s also went off on an unfounded rant about something that was not implied or mentioned. He should be on a street corner attempting to sell pencils from a cup.

[Governor Tarkin]

44 minutes ago, Hunky Dory said:

Which version? He edited it about six times.

 

He’s also went off on an unfounded rant about something that was not implied or mentioned. He should be on a street corner attempting to sell pencils from a cup.

 

 

 

And you shouldn't get all insultingly defensive about something that wasn't specifically aimed at you.

 

 

[Cairneyhill Jambo]

2 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

^^^^ This post sums it up pretty well.

 

Your more vocal separatists couldn't give a shiny shite about the implications or details, as long as they can get it up the Tories (and everyone else who may have genuine concerns be damned).

 

I remember in less enlightened times we could be openly racist and freely name the English as the bogey men, the source of of all our ills, and the general target of our patriotic, nationalist ire. Now we've rounded it down to Tories we sound much more respectable.

Kind of like how Brexit was framed as taking control of our borders, when for many it was about keeping the assorted brown folk, muslims, and slavs out.

 

 

 

 

Or maybe because the tories have been shafting Scotland since the Thatcher years when they've been in power?

 

Interesting you call SNP voters separatists. Aren't tory supporters separatists since they voted out us out of the European Union? 

 

[Governor Tarkin]

8 minutes ago, Cairneyhill Jambo said:

Or maybe because the tories have been shafting Scotland since the Thatcher years when they've been in power?

 

 

The tories (read the political and monied class) have been shafting everyone since the Thatcher years.

 

8 minutes ago, Cairneyhill Jambo said:

 

Interesting you call SNP voters separatists. Aren't tory supporters separatists since they voted out us out of the European Union? 

 

 

It's only interesting if whataboutery is your thing.

 

The Tory supporters who voted out of the European Union are seperatists in that sense, but not all Tory supporters voted out of the European Union.

 

The caricature of the elitist Rees Mog or teeth gnashing Tommy Robinson EDL types are appealing if you're seeking to justify an assumption based on sweeping generalisations, but under rudimentary scrutiny they're as absurd as the painted faced bravehart Jock schtick that often gets chucked in the opposite direction.

 

[Seymour M Hersh]

9 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

You've misspelled 'bang on the cash'.

 

[Seymour M Hersh]

7 hours ago, Cairneyhill Jambo said:

Or maybe because the tories have been shafting Scotland since the Thatcher years when they've been in power?

 

Interesting you call SNP voters separatists. Aren't tory supporters separatists since they voted out us out of the European Union? 

 

 

Out of interest what did the Blair/Brown governments (13 years) and decades of labour dominating Scottish politics at all levels do for the country? 

 

A lot of labour supporters voted to leave the EU. More than a few SNP supporters did so as well. 

Edited April 8 by Seymour M Hersh

[Smithee]

1 minute ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Out of interest what did the Blair/Brown governments (13 years) and decades of labour dominating Scottish politics at all levels do for the country? 

You're absolutely right, no matter who's in power at Westminster Scotland is insignificant to them.

 

The only way to make Scotland's needs a priority is with an independent Scotland and a government which has to answer to our electorate, no one else's.

[Governor Tarkin]

26 minutes ago, Smithee said:

You're absolutely right, no matter who's in power at Westminster Scotland is insignificant to them.

 

 

You'd think they'd be happy to be rid of us.

 

 

[3fingersreid]

Would love someone from the Scottish govt to explain what’s happened to the £20m thats disappeared from the £57m taxi/phc support fund allocated from Westminster ? 
 

 

[manaliveits105]

Seems to be a lot of unaccounted for wheeesht monies floating about 

[Smithee]

53 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

You'd think they'd be happy to be rid of us.

 

There are plenty who would be I'm sure. If nothing else the Tories especially would welcome a large amount of guaranteed opposition MPs disappearing from Westminster.

[jack D and coke]

10 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said:

Would love someone from the Scottish govt to explain what’s happened to the £20m thats disappeared from the £57m taxi/phc support fund allocated from Westminster ? 
 

 

Whilst I agree do some of you just close your eyes to the rest?? I’d like someone to explain the £37billion (yes billion!!! More than the whole of Scotland gets for the block grant!! To run an entire country of the tartan clad scroungers!) (Doctor “Rees Mogg” Jambo and family excluded of course) that went on an test and trace system myself. The other hundreds of millions that seems to have went to their pals. What about Priti Patels eyebrows? Seen the money that’s went missing there?

 

 

[jack D and coke]

11 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said:

I remember in less enlightened times we could be openly racist and freely name the English as the bogey men, the source of of all our ills, and the general target of our patriotic, nationalist ire. Now we've rounded it down to Tories we sound much more respectable.

And by the same token the people here who wish the Union to remain seem to have turned their ire on their own place. 
Check this thread or any thread or indeed any social media about the constitution for derogatory comments about brigadoon, tartan, shortbread, scroungers, jakeys, heroin, haggis, braveheart etc etc. 
They can’t just say they want the Union to remain they have to trash their own country relentlessly into the bargain. 
A pretty bizarre mindset for me. 

[Governor Tarkin]

2 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

And by the same token the people here who wish the Union to remain seem to have turned their ire on their own place. 
Check this thread or any thread or indeed any social media about the constitution for derogatory comments about brigadoon, tartan, shortbread, scroungers, jakeys, heroin, haggis, braveheart etc etc. 
They can’t just say they want the Union to remain they have to trash their own country relentlessly into the bargain. 
A pretty bizarre mindset for me. 

 

Agreed. I find that equally as bizarre as the indy at any cost mindset.

 

And whilst we bicker amongst ourselves the thieves make off with the family silver

 

19 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

I’d like someone to explain the £37billion (yes billion!!! More than the whole of Scotland gets for the block grant!! To run an entire country of the tartan clad scroungers!) (Doctor “Rees Mogg” Jambo and family excluded of course) that went on an test and trace system myself. The other hundreds of millions that seems to have went to their pals. What about Priti Patels eyebrows? Seen the money that’s went missing there?

 

 

 

I've said it before. Heads on a pike.

[3fingersreid]

30 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Whilst I agree do some of you just close your eyes to the rest?? I’d like someone to explain the £37billion (yes billion!!! More than the whole of Scotland gets for the block grant!! To run an entire country of the tartan clad scroungers!) (Doctor “Rees Mogg” Jambo and family excluded of course) that went on an test and trace system myself. The other hundreds of millions that seems to have went to their pals. What about Priti Patels eyebrows? Seen the money that’s went missing there?

 

 

Tbh I can’t stand 99% of all politicians from ALL parties  . ALL finances should be checked by an independent accountancy in my opinion  

 

 What I’m interested in is why any financial help for the sector I’m in is being either withheld or diverted !! (to other more needed causes would be acceptable although I know many people in my sector would say they are in need  ).

 

All I want ,but know I’ll never get ,is an honest answer .
 

Your reply is very what-a-boutery, ( similar to what I expect from the old firm when they’re pulled up about something) and sums up politics in my view . 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 8 by 3fingersreid

[JackLadd]

25 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Whilst I agree do some of you just close your eyes to the rest?? I’d like someone to explain the £37billion (yes billion!!! More than the whole of Scotland gets for the block grant!! To run an entire country of the tartan clad scroungers!) (Doctor “Rees Mogg” Jambo and family excluded of course) that went on an test and trace system myself. The other hundreds of millions that seems to have went to their pals. What about Priti Patels eyebrows? Seen the money that’s went missing there?

 

 

 

You should concern yourself with the 15bn deficit hole in the snp accounts and the 11bn shrinkage in the economy per the London School of Economics that would arise from any separation. Come out the snp rabbit hole for a minute and engage the brain. Failing that admit indy at any cost is the plan. Snp arithmetic is crazy town

[Governor Tarkin]

31 minutes ago, Smithee said:

There are plenty who would be I'm sure. If nothing else the Tories especially would welcome a large amount of guaranteed opposition MPs disappearing from Westminster.

 

I wouldn't bet against that, but I'd say that it's less of an issue for them now that nationalists have supplanted their traditional competition up here. 

 

The Tories are the only real winners in this current division of the socialist vote. 

 

 

[loveofthegame]

15 hours ago, Hunky Dory said:

Could the mods please change the title to “The Rise and Rise of the SNP” please?

 

Over a decade in power and in line for another stonking majority.

 

Get it roond ye.

 

"Get it roond ye" - this is the type of stupid stuff I'd expect from a Nationalist. 

 

This isn't a competition. This is our future. This is our kids future. This is my kids future.

 

Vote however you want but vote with your head, not your heart and not because you "dinnae like Tories".

[Smithee]

12 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

I wouldn't bet against that, but I'd say that it's less of an issue for them now that nationalists have supplanted their traditional competition up here. 

 

The Tories are the only real winners in this current division of the socialist vote. 

 

Not how I read it at all, SNP or Labour, they're both going to vote the same way with most Tory policies. But I can understand why people would think the minority Labour party should stop dividing the socialist vote in the interests of the Scottish people.

[jack D and coke]

14 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said:

Tbh I can’t stand 99% of all politicians from ALL parties  . ALL finances should be checked by an independent accountancy in my opinion  

 

 What I’m interested in is why any financial help for the sector I’m in is being either withheld or diverted !! (to other more needed causes would be acceptable although I know many people in my sector would say they are in need  ).

 

All I want ,but know I’ll never get ,is an honest answer .
 

Your reply is very what-a-boutery, ( similar to what I expect from the old firm when they’re pulled up about something) and sums up politics in my view . 

 

 

 

 

It’s very difficult not to indulge in whatabootery when the public purse isn’t as much as being robbed as utterly looted in plain sight. 
Id like to know where this £20m has gone though of course I would. It’s spare change in comparison though is more my point.
I don’t see any of the posters in here trashing absolutely everything scotland on the Tory lies thread demanding any answers. 

13 minutes ago, JackLadd said:

 

You should concern yourself with the 15bn deficit hole in the snp accounts and the 11bn shrinkage in the economy per the London School of Economics that would arise from any separation. Come out the snp rabbit hole for a minute and engage the brain. Failing that admit indy at any cost is the plan. Snp arithmetic is crazy town

Do you ever post without trying to belittle? Any decent point you might make is lost. 
I read plenty about this and take all accounts on board. 
You see doom and disaster everywhere in the event of indy. I don’t. I ain’t down no SNP rabbit hole believe me I can’t stand most of them. 
There would need to be adjustments and things would likely have to change but I try to see the positives in running our own affairs. I feel the same about the north of England incidentally but they have no alternatives. 
Im not hellbent on indy but I’m not afraid of it. In the long run the positives would outweigh the negatives.
Imo obviously. 

[Governor Tarkin]

4 minutes ago, Smithee said:

Not how I read it at all, SNP or Labour, they're both going to vote the same way with most Tory policies. But I can understand why people would think the minority Labour party should stop dividing the socialist vote in the interests of the Scottish people.

 

 

Not bad, Smith. Not bad.

 

 

 

[Ron Burgundy]

25 minutes ago, loveofthegame said:

 

"Get it roond ye" - this is the type of stupid stuff I'd expect from a Nationalist. 

 

This isn't a competition. This is our future. This is our kids future. This is my kids future.

 

Vote however you want but vote with your head, not your heart and not because you "dinnae like Tories".

This is it for me.

Do people really think that people want to remain in the union simply because they like the Union Flag? People have concerns over jobs, pensions, mortgages and their children's future.

I would gladly have the flag of Uganda on my passport if it meant a better life for my kids.

 

And I would selfishly take independence in a heartbeat if it meant I would be better off financially. But I wont risk it on a promise, especially to a party that has no concern for mine or my kids future once they have achieved their only goal.

Show me concrete factual evidence my life will be better and I am getting out the blue and white war paint. Until then I will always be against it.

 

 

[manaliveits105]

33 minutes ago, loveofthegame said:

 

"Get it roond ye" - this is the type of stupid stuff I'd expect from a Nationalist. 

 

This isn't a competition. This is our future. This is our kids future. This is my kids future.

 

Vote however you want but vote with your head, not your heart and not because you "dinnae like Tories".

Great post unfortunately separatists seem to have scott browns cloak of immunity as regards insults on here