The rise and fall of The SNP.

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Looks fantastic. Can't wait to get back!

Yes let’s all remember why we are here instead of all the bickering which is just back ground noise to our support for the mighty Jambos ! I’m fed up with people not agreeing with my viewpoint 😂

[Roxy Hearts]

1 hour ago, JamesM48 said:

Yes let’s all remember why we are here instead of all the bickering which is just back ground noise to our support for the mighty Jambos ! I’m fed up with people not agreeing with my viewpoint 😂

👍😄

[maroonlegions]

10 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Sorry Ri Alban be careful what you wish for 

 

Most times political slogans can be short but simple, away from the spin doctors ect.. 

 

[AlimOzturk]

Anyone seen the latest polls 

 

Alba forecast to win 6-8 seats 😂

[pablo]

6 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Loving the tartan effect on our pitch now🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

 

That looks excellent 

[pablo]

37 minutes ago, maroonlegions said:

 

Most times political slogans can be short but simple, away from the spin doctors ect.. 

 

 

These Scottish kids have their own message 

[Gizmo]

16 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

Anyone seen the latest polls 

 

Alba forecast to win 6-8 seats 😂

Looking like they aren't even eating into the Greens vote either. Not sure I overly trust them, but they've played it canny. 

[manaliveits105]

6 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

These Scottish kids have their own message 

from the mouths of children

[Guest]

1 hour ago, maroonlegions said:

 

Most times political slogans can be short but simple, away from the spin doctors ect.. 

 

P.S. Gran, Derek Mackay wants to take me camping 

[Don DaniEL]

https://apple.news/AzhAVAxQgT_W17AxzKcYE6w

 

 

Scotland’s fiscal deficit has soared to eight times the limit set by the European Union for membership, according to research that could set back the cause of Scottish independence.

It is understood that the Institute for Fiscal Studies will report this week that the gap between Scottish public spending and tax revenues rose to between 22 per cent and 25 per cent of the country’s gross domestic product (GDP) in 2020-1.

That gap, in cash terms more than £40 billion, is nearly three times the level of the Scottish deficit the year before, of 8.6 per cent, and is considerably higher than the all-UK deficit of 14.5 per cent for the year just ended.

News that Scotland’s deficit is at a record peacetime high, in part due to unprecedented Covid-related spending and tumbling North Sea oil revenues, led to warnings that an independent Scotland would face tough choices on spending cuts and higher taxes.

It is also at odds with longstanding EU criteria that require all new members to reduce budget deficits to 3 per cent of GDP or less, although new members can negotiate transition periods to give time to meet rules. There is also an expectation that post-pandemic, the EU may relax its fiscal rules, which are suspended at present.

Mairi Spowage, interim director at the Fraser of Allander Institute, at Strathclyde University, said: “It would not be possible to run structural deficits of this scale over the long run, so various options, including policies to grow the economy, expand and change the tax base, increase tax rates or cut spending, are likely to feature.

“Of course, the UK too faces significant budgetary pressures, and this will impact upon Scotland inside or outside the Union. With Covid-19 making everyone’s public sector deficits that much bigger, the challenge of building a model of fiscal sustainability just got harder.”

Murdo Fraser, Tory finance spokesman, said: “Nicola Sturgeon uses grievance and grudge to whip up nationalist fervour yet she cannot answer basic questions about the finances of an independent Scotland and, on this evidence, no wonder.

“These figures lay bare the bleak reality of the chasm between tax revenues and public spending. Future generations would face an impoverished future, while arrogant SNP politicians would be just fine.

“Not only do the SNP have no credible currency plan, but they also have no obvious route to join the EU and on the basis of these numbers, it looks highly implausible.”

The economist John McLaren added: “One of the big changes since 2014 has been the virtual disappearance of North Sea revenues an independent Scotland might expect to have. This means Scotland’s underlying fiscal deficit is less erratic but also, Covid aside, unsustainably high.

“The SNP’s growth commission report acknowledged this and the EU would clearly have concerns, too. However, the future position on how much Scotland would need to trim its fiscal sails by is uncertain as the EU has suspended its fiscal rules. It intends to review them post-pandemic with a strong likelihood that they will be more accommodating. Nevertheless, some difficult decisions would inevitably lie ahead post-independence.”

Opponents of Scottish independence argue that the deficit highlights huge advantages in remaining in the UK, including spending on public services 27 per cent higher per head than in England. However, independence supporters say the deficit highlights the constraints that Scotland faces within the UK.

An SNP spokesman said: “Every country in the world is dealing with exceptional public finance pressures as we recover from the pandemic. The UK has this week seen its deficit rise to the highest level since 1946, while its national debt now stands at more than £2 trillion.”

 

 

[Cade]

I like that everybody who shares that article doesn't post the bit where the IFS says that Scotland is a rich country and could easily thrive as an Independent state.

 

 

The article reads as "haha the UK has made you so poor that you can't go alone", which hardly a ringing endorsement for the Union.

And the figures are based on current taxation, over which the Scottish Parliament only has limited control.

And as usual simply assigns 10% of all UK spending to Scotland.

[Don DaniEL]

56 minutes ago, Candy said:

P.S. Gran, Derek Mackay wants to take me camping 

[Don DaniEL]

3 minutes ago, Cade said:

I like that everybody who shares that article doesn't post the bit where the IFS says that Scotland is a rich country and could easily thrive as an Independent state.

 

 

The article reads as "haha the UK has made you so poor that you can't go alone", which hardly a ringing endorsement for the Union.

And the figures are based on current taxation, over which the Scottish Parliament only has limited control.

And as usual simply assigns 10% of all UK spending to Scotland.

A know what are these fiscal experts like compared to social media experts.

[gjcc]

8 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Loving the tartan effect on our pitch now🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Maybe just so they know where to put the boards for the open air orchestra festival. 

[Swahili Jambo]

The fall is nearing the bottom of the cliff!  Damn pesky Nationalists, SNP 1/100.  Tis the end game .  Alba Gu Brath.    

[JackLadd]

Salmond is probably sucking up the old Sheridan SSP vote. The crackpot ne'er-do-well popular front of Alb=ea.  

[XB52]

6 hours ago, JackLadd said:

Salmond is probably sucking up the old Sheridan SSP vote. The crackpot ne'er-do-well popular front of Alb=ea.  

Bloody hell, a post by you that I actually agree with.

[XB52]

11 hours ago, AlimOzturk said:

Anyone seen the latest polls 

 

Alba forecast to win 6-8 seats 😂

The same pollsters had them the exact same weeks ago.

[manaliveits105]

https://sputniknews.com/uk/202103081082284132-snp-buried-sexual-harassment-claims-against-two-westminster-mps-says-staffer/

himself on the side of the couch," the whistle-blower said. “At that point, he started putting his fingers down the back of my collar, touching me inappropriately there. He was also grabbing my hair.”

The staff member said he did not initially report the incident as he was reluctant to go “head to head with an MP”, but after another individual raised the issue later he confirmed it to party officials.

Office Ambush

 

© REUTERS / UK PARLIAMENT/JESSICA TAYLOR

Scottish National Party leader in Westminster MP Ian Blackford speaks during the weekly Prime Minister's Questions session in Parliament in London

The man said SNP Westminster leader Ian Blackford, a staunch supporter of party leader and Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, then called him to a meeting in his office — which he described as an "ambush".

“He calls me into the office and the other MP is sitting on the couch, crying,” the accuser related. After the MP tearfully apologised, he felt obliged to forgive him. “At that time. I felt the only thing I could say was that it was OK. I wasn’t going to tear this guy down in front of me. It was pretty hard for me to watch.”

[jack D and coke]

11 hours ago, gjcc said:

Maybe just so they know where to put the boards for the open air orchestra festival. 

 

[jack D and coke]

Interesting article about Trident. 
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/26/trident-overseas-or-halted-scotland-independence?__twitter_impression=true
This couple of paragraphs stand out for me..nobody wants this on their doorstep. 
Good enough for us though👍🏼

 

“Alternative sites considered at the time Faslane was chosen, such as Milford Haven in Wales and Falmouth in Cornwall, are now industrialised in the case of the former or have a larger population; while Devonport, where the submarines are refitted, would require significant engineering work and is close to the city of Plymouth.

Any new site would take many years to develop, amid what is likely to be intense local opposition wherever is chosen. “It is therefore a reasonable assumption that achievement of the necessary planning permissions would be testing or impossible,” Gower said.”

 

 

 

[jack D and coke]

Listened to and watched some of Sarwar lately. Another utter Jack n Danny he is  

[Gizmo]

2 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Interesting article about Trident. 
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/26/trident-overseas-or-halted-scotland-independence?__twitter_impression=true
This couple of paragraphs stand out for me..nobody wants this on their doorstep. 
Good enough for us though👍🏼

 

“Alternative sites considered at the time Faslane was chosen, such as Milford Haven in Wales and Falmouth in Cornwall, are now industrialised in the case of the former or have a larger population; while Devonport, where the submarines are refitted, would require significant engineering work and is close to the city of Plymouth.

Any new site would take many years to develop, amid what is likely to be intense local opposition wherever is chosen. “It is therefore a reasonable assumption that achievement of the necessary planning permissions would be testing or impossible,” Gower said.”

 

 

 

Reason given for it not initially being placed in Devenport - "too close to a population centre with risk to life too catastrophic". 
 

16 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Listened to and watched some of Sarwar lately. Another utter Jack n Danny he is  

I'm just waiting for him to follow in his corrupt Father's footsteps. Watch how utterly gormless he becomes when he is off-script - his PR assistant must work overtime to make this dumb fool sound like he has anything about him. 

[Roxy Hearts]

3 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Listened to and watched some of Sarwar lately. Another utter Jack n Danny he is  

He's a snake. Always has been.

[manaliveits105]

Anas becoming a target for insults he must be getting under the separatists skins 

[JackLadd]

1 hour ago, Roxy Hearts said:

He's a snake. Always has been.

 

Know him personally do you? Has he lied to committees or assaulted any female staffers? 

[Seymour M Hersh]

1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said:

Anas becoming a target for insults he must be getting under the separatists skins 

 

To be fair his is a slippery individual. Wealthy family with history (dad) kids at expensive private school. Just your run of the mill defender of the workers! 

[Roxy Hearts]

4 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Anas becoming a target for insults he must be getting under the separatists skins 

I haven't seen any of the political stuff recently but I know by watching and listening to him a few years ago he's not to be trusted. 

 

3 hours ago, JackLadd said:

 

Know him personally do you? Has he lied to committees or assaulted any female staffers? 

I wouldn't want to know him or any other unionist toady. Has he lied, probably, he's a politician! Don't know about female staffers unless you do?

[JackLadd]

47 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

I wouldn't want to know him or any other unionist toady. Has he lied, probably, he's a politician! Don't know about female staffers unless you do?

 

You don't like him because you're a cultist allergic to facts. Folk talking sense like Sarwar send you scurrying back under your stone.

[Roxy Hearts]

1 hour ago, JackLadd said:

 

You don't like him because you're a cultist allergic to facts. Folk talking sense like Sarwar send you scurrying back under your stone.

If Sarwar floats your boat then it will sink! He's an absolute roaster.

[Des Lynam]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19264463.scottish-independence-lord-ashcroft-poll-finds-51-no-versus-49-yes/

[Don DaniEL]

https://2sjjwunnql41ia7ki31qqub1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Final_38028217-Scotland-Poll-Scotsman-20210421_Private.pdf

[Don DaniEL]

https://2sjjwunnql41ia7ki31qqub1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Final_38028217-Scotland-Poll-Scotsman-20210421_Private.pdf

 

Support for the SNP slipping in both the election and the independence front.

 

 

[JackLadd]

12 hours ago, Boy Daniel said:

https://2sjjwunnql41ia7ki31qqub1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Final_38028217-Scotland-Poll-Scotsman-20210421_Private.pdf

 

Support for the SNP slipping in both the election and the independence front.

 

 

 

 

Oh dear, wee shame, never mind. 

[Gizmo]

On 28/04/2021 at 21:32, JackLadd said:

 

You don't like him because you're a cultist allergic to facts. Folk talking sense like Sarwar send you scurrying back under your stone.

Watch Sarwar when he goes off script - he's utterly glakit.

Still, that aside - his other qualities include being part of a dynasty of corruption, not paying his staff the living wage and revealing his champagne socialist credentials by sending his kids to public school. 

Definitely the guy to take poor, council school attending kids out of poverty imo. 

[JackLadd]

Just now, Gizmo said:

Watch Sarwar when he goes off script - he's utterly glakit.

Still, that aside - his other qualities include being part of a dynasty of corruption, not paying his staff the living wage and revealing his champagne socialist credentials by sending his kids to public school. 

Definitely the guy to take poor, council school attending kids out of poverty imo. 

 

Haven't seen enough to gauge him although I'm not overly impressed. Undecided whether to vote Rennie or wee Ross. Rennie might be edging it. 

[Gizmo]

 

1 minute ago, JackLadd said:

 

Haven't seen enough to gauge him although I'm not overly impressed. Undecided whether to vote Rennie or wee Ross. Rennie might be edging it. 

Rennie is just the wee guy in a playground that might have the odd good idea but gets ignored. Ross is definitely turning off the tory voter base by most polls - whom Sarwar may pick up a couple of seats from the floating unionist voters - which will be better than Leonard, Dugdale or Murphy managed.

Can't say I've ever seen Sarwar as trustworthy but then Labour lost me a long time ago - Lamont in particular ruined that party and treated the voter base like they were scum. 

Hope that's a reasonable response since your post wasn't a troll or attack - fair's fair.  
  

[manaliveits105]

19 hours ago, Boy Daniel said:

https://2sjjwunnql41ia7ki31qqub1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Final_38028217-Scotland-Poll-Scotsman-20210421_Private.pdf

 

Support for the SNP slipping in both the election and the independence front.

 

 

[manaliveits105]

I will just leave that there 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said:

I will just leave that there 

An Indy ref will not happen until at least 2024 just before the end of the next parliament . This will give NS and others enough earnings / pension to semi Retire as they know when it is a No then that’s the end game fir her and others . I honestly cannot seen the electorate voting yes when push comes to shove . 

[Mars plastic]

15 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

An Indy ref will not happen until at least 2024 just before the end of the next parliament . This will give NS and others enough earnings / pension to semi Retire as they know when it is a No then that’s the end game fir her and others . I honestly cannot seen the electorate voting yes when push comes to shove . 

It'll most certainly be a no for me.

[jack D and coke]

6 minutes ago, Mars plastic said:

It'll most certainly be a no for me.

[Mysterion]

44 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

An Indy ref will not happen until at least 2024 just before the end of the next parliament . This will give NS and others enough earnings / pension to semi Retire as they know when it is a No then that’s the end game fir her and others . I honestly cannot seen the electorate voting yes when push comes to shove . 

 

Right now i think we're seeing people fed up of the last few months of SNP infighting along with a concern over how we recover from Covid and Brexit.

 

The general trend is that younger voters are more inclined to be open to Indie - we're getting more of them and will see that  positive % creep up over time IMO.

[Mars plastic]

32 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Alas, I'm a traitor.

[JudyJudyJudy]

5 minutes ago, Mysterion said:

 

Right now i think we're seeing people fed up of the last few months of SNP infighting along with a concern over how we recover from Covid and Brexit.

 

The general trend is that younger voters are more inclined to be open to Indie - we're getting more of them and will see that  positive % creep up over time IMO.

Yes I think you are right . But the priority should be to recover from covid and get the economy up and running again the think about a ref

[JackLadd]

20 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

the priority should be to recover from covid and get the economy up and running again before thinking about a ref

 

Don't forget Albaman says he is ...

 

 

[coconut doug]

30 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yes I think you are right . But the priority should be to recover from covid and get the economy up and running again the think about a ref

 

Which parts of our economy are not up and running and what needs to be done to help them that cannot be done during a referendum?

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

8 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

Which parts of our economy are not up and running and what needs to be done to help them that cannot be done during a referendum?

It's that whole "they should be concentrating on winning games, no speaking to the media" thing, there's absolutely no reason a government of hundreds couldn't deal with more than one concept at a time, it's a ridiculous arrow to sling.

[coconut doug]

15 minutes ago, Smithee said:

It's that whole "they should be concentrating on winning games, no speaking to the media" thing, there's absolutely no reason a government of hundreds couldn't deal with more than one concept at a time, it's a ridiculous arrow to sling.

 

Brexit is damaging the economy. It was o.k. to do that during the pandemic but not indy. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

13 hours ago, JackLadd said:

 

Haven't seen enough to gauge him although I'm not overly impressed. Undecided whether to vote Rennie or wee Ross. Rennie might be edging it. 

 

A wasted vote with Rennie.