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Enzo Chiefo
2 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

But I thought we lived in the 5th richest country in the world?

 

Our pension is shite because we have a "different system"? Lets change it back then? Do they WANT to change it back? Do they feck! Tories gonna tory!

 

Is this also the "different system" that has meant Scottish oil is worth LESS than equivalent oil from any other country on the face of the planet?

 

A state pension is NOT a Burden...it's a responsibility to their citizens for paying into their coffers for 50 odd years!

Some folk really do zip up the back!

It is a burden when there are not enough taxpayers to fund all the demands on the system. The problem in this country is too many people expect the state to do everything for them.  There are constant demands for more and more money to be thrown at everything from the NHS, benefits, pensions etc. Why not compare unemployment benefit, or benefits in general? Why do you think migrants hot foot it through France to get to the UK? Because they wouldn't get access to anything like the level of benefits that they do in the UK. In Spain, you get only 1 year of unemployment benefit, albeit at the same rate of pay as your previous job, and then you're on your own. 

But the lazy default in this country is always...boooo! Britain bad!

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Simply put the most talented politician in the country. Absolutely tremendous from Alex Salmond. 

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3 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

https://fb.watch/4IdQzBBi7c/

 

Simply put the most talented politician in the country. Absolutely tremendous from Alex Salmond. 

I'll be going for that. 

Couldn't give a monkeys about what their policies are, just get Scotland Independent and away from these Tory *****. 

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Alex Salmond has been clever. Not once has he stuck the boot in to Sturgeon since the campaigning started and actually praised her for the handling of COVID pandemic in the above video. Sturgeon on the other hand has been vindictive and nasty about Salmond something which I don’t think will be lost on folk.  

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5 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

I'll be going for that. 

Couldn't give a monkeys about what their policies are, just get Scotland Independent and away from these Tory *****. 


Good man 👍

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9 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

Alex Salmond has been clever. Not once has he stuck the boot in to Sturgeon since the campaigning started and actually praised her for the handling of COVID pandemic in the above video. Sturgeon on the other hand has been vindictive and nasty about Salmond something which I don’t think will be lost on folk.  


Im not sure open support for the Alba party can come from the SNP. If the “Alba regional vote” route to supermajority doesn’t work then the Greens will be much harder to deal with if SNP actively attempted to push voters away from them. 
 

Videos like the above help persuade people to do so without risking destroying a SNP-Greens relationship if it fails. 
 

Green was going to be my regional vote. Now it’ll likely be Alba but I’ll keep an eye on polling to see what way it’s going. 

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I didn't know that the SFA was putting up candidates at the election. Here's their manifesto regardless.

 

 

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AlimOzturk
8 minutes ago, gjcc said:


Im not sure open support for the Alba party can come from the SNP. If the “Alba regional vote” route to supermajority doesn’t work then the Greens will be much harder to deal with if SNP actively attempted to push voters away from them. 
 

Videos like the above help persuade people to do so without risking destroying a SNP-Greens relationship if it fails. 
 

Green was going to be my regional vote. Now it’ll likely be Alba but I’ll keep an eye on polling to see what way it’s going. 


She made a promise along with the other political party leaders in the last Parliament debate to leave the poison of the past behind and actually start to debate the issues. The only person so far I have seen doing that is Alex Salmond. 
 

 

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Roxy Hearts
46 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

 

Simply put the most talented politician in the country. Absolutely tremendous from Alex Salmond. 

Agreed. Very intelligent man. Has his faults but what human hasn't!

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Justin Z
3 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

I think everyone would love a bigger state pension but to not question how it's paid for and what we would have to sacrifice is naïve.

 

I vote we sacrifice billionaires' offshore tax-free accounts, personally.

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9 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

I vote we sacrifice billionaires' offshore tax-free accounts, personally.

 

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Auld Reekin'
2 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

I think Zimbabwe pays a better state pension than Boris and Co does...

 

(Not really but you get the point I'm driving here).

 

I do indeed.  :icon14:

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manaliveits105

snp party political broadcast just on  with stereo typical ginger girl and at one stage lots of tv screens with Nicoliar’s face - deary me - megalomania in the extreme 


good to see Alex saying if supermajority achieved we will just go straight to negotiating Indy with no referendum

he must be a UK government plant to derail independence as that should sway don’t knows to say aye that will be right and not vote for snp

 

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Seymour M Hersh
2 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

I think Zimbabwe pays a better state pension than Boris and Co does...

 

(Not really but you get the point I'm driving here).

 

Talking shite as usual?

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Seymour M Hersh
2 hours ago, AlimOzturk said:

 

Simply put the most talented politician in the country. Absolutely tremendous from Alex Salmond. 

 

The bar is pretty low in Scotland remember. 

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Enzo Chiefo
11 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

snp party political broadcast just on  with stereo typical ginger girl and at one stage lots of tv screens with Nicoliar’s face - deary me - megalomania in the extreme 


good to see Alex saying if supermajority achieved we will just go straight to negotiating Indy with no referendum

he must be a UK government plant to derail independence as that should sway don’t knows to say aye that will be right and not vote for snp

 

Who, apart from the die hard Nat fanatics, would even consider voting for any of those charlatans, Greens, Alibaba or the SNP?? Can you imagine a Brussels controlled Scotland with dangerous fanatics like Sturgeon, Salmond, Harvie and Tommy Sheridan running about off their leashes??:jj_facepalm:

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scott herbertson
8 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Who, apart from the die hard Nat fanatics, would even consider voting for any of those charlatans, Greens, Alibaba or the SNP?? Can you imagine a Brussels controlled Scotland with dangerous fanatics like Sturgeon, Salmond, Harvie and Tommy Sheridan running about off their leashes??:jj_facepalm:

 

 

More than half thecountry

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Enzo Chiefo
Just now, scott herbertson said:

 

 

More than half thecountry

Well half the country aren't interested enough in Scottish elections to even bother voting. But you're right...nearly half of those who do. Which still doesn't answer my question, although it's probably rhetorical. 

 

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Roxy Hearts
18 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Who, apart from the die hard Nat fanatics, would even consider voting for any of those charlatans, Greens, Alibaba or the SNP?? Can you imagine a Brussels controlled Scotland with dangerous fanatics like Sturgeon, Salmond, Harvie and Tommy Sheridan running about off their leashes??:jj_facepalm:

What about Britnats? Absolute roasters.

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scott herbertson
8 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Well half the country aren't interested enough in Scottish elections to even bother voting. But you're right...nearly half of those who do. Which still doesn't answer my question, although it's probably rhetorical. 

 

 

 

I thought it was factual, hence my answer

 

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Enzo Chiefo
20 minutes ago, scott herbertson said:

 

 

I thought it was factual, hence my answer

 

🙂

With a few tweaks to "Slightly less than half of the electorate who are interested enough to vote", your answer is indeed factual.👍

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3 hours ago, AlimOzturk said:

 

Simply put the most talented politician in the country. Absolutely tremendous from Alex Salmond. 

Simply the most egotistical creep, already rejected by voters in a UK election and described as a ‘sex pest’ by his own lawyer. His Alba stunt has zero to do with an independence supermajority and everything to do with his quest for revenge on Sturgeon’s gang.

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doctor jambo
1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Who, apart from the die hard Nat fanatics, would even consider voting for any of those charlatans, Greens, Alibaba or the SNP?? Can you imagine a Brussels controlled Scotland with dangerous fanatics like Sturgeon, Salmond, Harvie and Tommy Sheridan running about off their leashes??:jj_facepalm:

Sounds like the worst S&M party imaginable 

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Enzo Chiefo
8 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

Sounds like the worst S&M party imaginable 

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1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Who, apart from the die hard Nat fanatics, would even consider voting for any of those charlatans, Greens, Alibaba or the SNP?? Can you imagine a Brussels controlled Scotland with dangerous fanatics like Sturgeon, Salmond, Harvie and Tommy Sheridan running about off their leashes??:jj_facepalm:

 

 

These are the eff wits, liars and scoundrels the heather brained dafties put their faith in. Just ignore all the weather warnings and set sail with this mob of reprobates. No compass required moral or otherwise. 

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6 minutes ago, JackLadd said:

 

 

These are the eff wits, liars and scoundrels the heather brained dafties put their faith in. Just ignore all the weather warnings and set sail with this mob of reprobates. No compass required moral or otherwise. 

The Old Labour voters.

Promised free stuff, paid for by others, band wagon jumpers.

Always someone else’s fault for your failures.

I have never felt held back by England , nor are my kids.

But then we are successful.

 

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5 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

The Old Labour voters.

Promised free stuff, paid for by others, band wagon jumpers.

Always someone else’s fault for your failures.

I have never felt held back by England , nor are my kids.

But then we are successful.

 

 

And yet not in any way smug - well done you...   :thumbs_up:

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9 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

The Old Labour voters.

Promised free stuff, paid for by others, band wagon jumpers.

Always someone else’s fault for your failures.

I have never felt held back by England , nor are my kids.

But then we are successful.

 

 

 

That's the irony about these old Lab parochial born again flag shaggers. They still want something for nothing (which they are now getting btw) but have gone so far down the SNP rabbit hole that they actually believe an iScotland will be some  tartan Xanadu with them having their Walkers Premium shortbread and eating it. 

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16 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

The Old Labour voters.

Promised free stuff, paid for by others, band wagon jumpers.

Always someone else’s fault for your failures.

I have never felt held back by England , nor are my kids.

But then we are successful.

 

Yip. Old Labour and now SNP deliberately create "victims" and deploy an "othering" philosophy, creating an "enemy" (Tories, WM,England etc) to maintain their "vulnerability " and retain their support,  thus keeping themselves in power. They have no real interest in seeing people progress or prosper as they will then cease to be "needy". Keep them down, throw freebies and promises at them and so it goes on. 

Scotland has been stuck in this cycle for decades and it's a national embarrassment. 

The Red Wall was demolished in the north of England at the 2019 GE, indeed the Tories are tipped to gain Hartlepool, with nearly 50% of the vote, at the forthcoming by-election there. Scotland though is crying out to ditch the old stereotypes

 

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3 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

snp party political broadcast just on  with stereo typical ginger girl and at one stage lots of tv screens with Nicoliar’s face - deary me - megalomania in the extreme 


good to see Alex saying if supermajority achieved we will just go straight to negotiating Indy with no referendum

he must be a UK government plant to derail independence as that should sway don’t knows to say aye that will be right and not vote for snp

 

Worry about your own party jockey 

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7 hours ago, gjcc said:


Im not sure open support for the Alba party can come from the SNP. If the “Alba regional vote” route to supermajority doesn’t work then the Greens will be much harder to deal with if SNP actively attempted to push voters away from them. 
 

Videos like the above help persuade people to do so without risking destroying a SNP-Greens relationship if it fails. 
 

Green was going to be my regional vote. Now it’ll likely be Alba but I’ll keep an eye on polling to see what way it’s going. 

 

I'm a green voter on the regional and will remain so. My concern with Alba is they will dilute the independence vote. If both yourself and I live in the same region and you go Alba and I go Green, does that not then defeat the purpose of having an additional independence supporting party? Has anyone questioned Salmond on how this may affect the results come voting?

 

I was previously in support of another independence supporting party however do fear that splitting the regional vote 3 ways between Greens, SNP and Alba will instead end up with Unionist parties taking advantage of indy supporters splitting the vote, particularly due to the way the voting formula works with the regional.

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8 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

It is a burden when there are not enough taxpayers to fund all the demands on the system. The problem in this country is too many people expect the state to do everything for them.  There are constant demands for more and more money to be thrown at everything from the NHS, benefits, pensions etc. Why not compare unemployment benefit, or benefits in general? Why do you think migrants hot foot it through France to get to the UK? Because they wouldn't get access to anything like the level of benefits that they do in the UK. In Spain, you get only 1 year of unemployment benefit, albeit at the same rate of pay as your previous job, and then you're on your own. 

But the lazy default in this country is always...boooo! Britain bad!

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8 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

The Old Labour voters.

Promised free stuff, paid for by others, band wagon jumpers.

Always someone else’s fault for your failures.

I have never felt held back by England , nor are my kids.

But then we are successful.

 

 

:pleasing:

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10 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

The Old Labour voters.

Promised free stuff, paid for by others, band wagon jumpers.

Always someone else’s fault for your failures.

I have never felt held back by England , nor are my kids.

But then we are successful.

 


Exactly. Don’t know how they account for the huge amount of successful people in this country. Maybe someone should tell them that your vote doesn’t actually stop you getting of your arse and making  success of your life regardless who wins an election. 
 

9 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Yip. Old Labour and now SNP deliberately create "victims" and deploy an "othering" philosophy, creating an "enemy" (Tories, WM,England etc) to maintain their "vulnerability " and retain their support,  thus keeping themselves in power. They have no real interest in seeing people progress or prosper as they will then cease to be "needy". Keep them down, throw freebies and promises at them and so it goes on. 

Scotland has been stuck in this cycle for decades and it's a national embarrassment. 

The Red Wall was demolished in the north of England at the 2019 GE, indeed the Tories are tipped to gain Hartlepool, with nearly 50% of the vote, at the forthcoming by-election there. Scotland though is crying out to ditch the old stereotypes

 


Nail on the head Enzo. 

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Someone in the pay of the Russian Govt is about to have a massive impact on the politics of this country and large swathes of Scotland are happy to turn a blind eye because independence transcends everything.

 

Its happening in plain sight. 

 

Got to hand it to Alexie Salmondski for the sheer brass-neckedness of it all. He's taking people for mugs and they are actually grateful. 

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34 minutes ago, Candy said:

Someone in the pay of the Russian Govt is about to have a massive impact on the politics of this country and large swathes of Scotland are happy to turn a blind eye because independence transcends everything.

 

Its happening in plain sight. 

 

Got to hand it to Alexie Salmondski for the sheer brass-neckedness of it all. He's taking people for mugs and they are actually grateful. 

 

He's leaving himself open with this. 

 

 

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14 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

The Old Labour voters.

Promised free stuff, paid for by others, band wagon jumpers.

Always someone else’s fault for your failures.

I have never felt held back by England , nor are my kids.

But then we are successful.

 

 

You got the "free stuff" and still do and you get it in larger quantities than almost anybody else. Who funded your education and who continues to do so with all the courses you still attend? Who paid for your student grant over an extended period? Who pays for your services and insulates you from the real world? Who pays for the premises you have used and the materials you use? GPs have a more than generous settlement from the taxpayer and yet you constatly bleat about how much tax you pay while simultaneously telling us you are successful. Clearly if you are not getting as much money as you think you merit then you are not that successful especially since in your case money seems to be the only thing you care about and is the measure of success for you. 

   By free stuff i imagine you mean free prescriptions to those who are ill. What sort of human being, never mind doctor grudges people their medicine? You will no doubt be prescribing stuff that is beneficial to you i.e. you will get some sort of inducement to prescribe one drug over another irrespective of its efficay to either the patient or the public purse. In common with most GPs you will also be exploiting nurses and community health staff who will be doing tasks that you should be doing. It is a widespread misuse of public funds which you wont admit to because it is fraudulent. At the same time you will charge exhorbitant rates for filling out a form or providing a medical inspection for someone seeking employment. 

   Your posts are way off the scale for arrogance and entitlement. You would not last very long in the real world with the skill set of the average GP. What could you do without the taxpayer funded NHS? I can't see the public buying your elixirs and investing in a knowledge base so easily accessible on the internet. What can you offer without the diagnostic freebies we get from the NHS? Virtually nothing is my guess. 

  It might be an idea in an Indy Scotland to dispense with the bureacratic and financial burden of the GP service and direct our funding to the front line clinicians. We can provide the triage service offered by the GPs in a much more efficient and tax friendly way.

  Why do you keep telling us you don't feel held back by England? Who is claiming that they are and what do you think it even means?

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18 hours ago, Justin Z said:

 

I vote we sacrifice billionaires' offshore tax-free accounts, personally.

I'm 100% behind that. Are there enough Scots billionaires to sacrifice post independence to double our state pension? If that's the plan count me in.

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19 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

You got the "free stuff" and still do and you get it in larger quantities than almost anybody else. Who funded your education and who continues to do so with all the courses you still attend? Who paid for your student grant over an extended period? Who pays for your services and insulates you from the real world? Who pays for the premises you have used and the materials you use? GPs have a more than generous settlement from the taxpayer and yet you constatly bleat about how much tax you pay while simultaneously telling us you are successful. Clearly if you are not getting as much money as you think you merit then you are not that successful especially since in your case money seems to be the only thing you care about and is the measure of success for you. 

   By free stuff i imagine you mean free prescriptions to those who are ill. What sort of human being, never mind doctor grudges people their medicine? You will no doubt be prescribing stuff that is beneficial to you i.e. you will get some sort of inducement to prescribe one drug over another irrespective of its efficay to either the patient or the public purse. In common with most GPs you will also be exploiting nurses and community health staff who will be doing tasks that you should be doing. It is a widespread misuse of public funds which you wont admit to because it is fraudulent. At the same time you will charge exhorbitant rates for filling out a form or providing a medical inspection for someone seeking employment. 

   Your posts are way off the scale for arrogance and entitlement. You would not last very long in the real world with the skill set of the average GP. What could you do without the taxpayer funded NHS? I can't see the public buying your elixirs and investing in a knowledge base so easily accessible on the internet. What can you offer without the diagnostic freebies we get from the NHS? Virtually nothing is my guess. 

  It might be an idea in an Indy Scotland to dispense with the bureacratic and financial burden of the GP service and direct our funding to the front line clinicians. We can provide the triage service offered by the GPs in a much more efficient and tax friendly way.

  Why do you keep telling us you don't feel held back by England? Who is claiming that they are and what do you think it even means?

Oooft. The Doug bot has administered some serious smack down on the docs mega successful ass here :lol:  

 

 

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12 hours ago, jambostuart said:

 

I'm a green voter on the regional and will remain so. My concern with Alba is they will dilute the independence vote. If both yourself and I live in the same region and you go Alba and I go Green, does that not then defeat the purpose of having an additional independence supporting party? Has anyone questioned Salmond on how this may affect the results come voting?

 

I was previously in support of another independence supporting party however do fear that splitting the regional vote 3 ways between Greens, SNP and Alba will instead end up with Unionist parties taking advantage of indy supporters splitting the vote, particularly due to the way the voting formula works with the regional.

Yes. You’re right. Which is why I’m keeping an eye on the polling. Yesterday it looked like the tide was changing towards Alba but the poll info released this morning suggests green are in fact gaining. I’ll not make my mind up fully any time soon. :lol: 

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16 hours ago, weehammy said:

Simply the most egotistical creep, already rejected by voters in a UK election and described as a ‘sex pest’ by his own lawyer. His Alba stunt has zero to do with an independence supermajority and everything to do with his quest for revenge on Sturgeon’s gang.

 

 

No he wasn't - and The Times is currently subject to a legal complaint for reporting the same, so be careful.

 

16 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

The Old Labour voters.

Promised free stuff, paid for by others, band wagon jumpers.

Always someone else’s fault for your failures.

I have never felt held back by England , nor are my kids.

But then we are successful.

 

Sometimes it is.

No-one asks to be born into circumstances that will diminissh their life chances, so voting for party that aims for a fairer society , distributing wealth more evenly, seems somthing worth voting for.

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Just now, felix said:

 

 

No he wasn't - and The Times is currently subject to a legal complaint for reporting the same, so be careful.

 

Sometimes it is.

No-one asks to be born into circumstances that will diminissh their life chances, so voting for party that aims for a fairer society , distributing wealth more evenly, seems somthing worth voting for.


But that would stop some people being quite as “successful.”

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So a Google sized hole in the Snp's economy and accounts but all can be fixed by a supurmajoarity and march oan London. The Eck pest of Alba arm in arm wae wee ginger nae lips as they pass by English toons tae demand freedumb! Expenses all met by Barnett n Co.

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2 minutes ago, JackLadd said:

So a Google sized hole in the Snp's economy and accounts but all can be fixed by a supurmajoarity and march oan London. The Eck pest of Alba arm in arm wae wee ginger nae lips as they pass by English toons tae demand freedumb! Expenses all met by Barnett n Co.

Hole in the economy aye? What economy? The one Westminster creates for us? That economy?

 

Tell me honestly, how has the £2Trillion PLUS pounds of national debt affected your everyday life?

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