Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[The Real Maroonblood]

Just now, Shooter McGavin said:

I’ll just add that I don’t think that Westminster has handled the situation well either, and that the idea that Scotland are somehow leading the way or doing things better than the rest of the UK is false. We simply watch what they do, then copy it a week or two later. The entire UK is a mess and the tragic thing is that there really seems to be no end in sight at this moment in time. 

That’s a more mature post.

Well done.

[Shanks said no]

1 hour ago, Brian Dundas said:

There is talk of Lanarkshire being in tier 4, not sure how that fits with your post

 

Going by the numbers

Lanarkshire should be in tier 4

Glasgow should be tier 3

Edinburgh should be tier 2

West Lothian should be tier 3 to act as a buffer 

 

When 7/8 months later Jason is still telling people how to wash, then tiers 4 and 3 are necessary in these areas.

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, The Frenchman Returns said:

 

Going by the numbers

Lanarkshire should be in tier 4

Glasgow should be tier 3

Edinburgh should be tier 2

West Lothian should be tier 3 to act as a buffer 

 

When 7/8 months later Jason is still telling people how to wash, then tiers 4 and 3 are necessary in these areas.

Looks about right.

[Back to 2005]

So this will be us until at least April. Herd stupidity has replaced herd immunity as the way forward. 

[Weakened Offender]

2 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

No evidence. Just what I see and hear.

We'll see at the next election, but it wouldn't surprise me if she cancelled them due to covid

 

Do you see and hear who they'll be voting for instead? 

[Weakened Offender]

11 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

That’s a more mature post.

Well done.

 

It's also a pretty inaccurate post as well. 

[Back to 2005]

1 hour ago, Victorian said:

 

I have to deal with them at work.  It's a bit sad that people wont even take the entry level effort.  A mask on the face for a few minutes.  It's depressing as ****.

Funny how the cases have gone up since making them mandatory. 

[frankblack]

1 hour ago, redjambo said:

 

I've noticed that most big decisions during the pandemic have been leaked unofficially before the official announcement is made. I approve of that - it gives time for folk to get used to it before the official announcement is made and, after that, before the measure is implemented. And most of it, of course, has been "bad news". I would rather they did it that way however than said, for example, "Oh , by the way, tomorrow you can't go out for a pint for the foreseeable future."

 

It gives time for people to get ****ing angry at these ****wits at New St Andrews House continually punishing people be it hospitality or low infection rate places like Edinburgh City to placate the west.

 

So much for Nicola's two week circuit breaker.  That was a blatant lie like I said it would be.

 

Good luck expecting anyone to listen to this broken Scottish government again.

[Victorian]

2 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

So this will be us until at least April. Herd stupidity has replaced herd immunity as the way forward. 

 

It will probably be the measures with us until at least as long as people continue to resist what's asked of them.  The measures would be shorter lived if more people set aside their grievances to concentrate on the over-arching objective.

 

Herd stupidity? Not half.

[Victorian]

3 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

Funny how the cases have gone up since making them mandatory. 

 

Funny how you can't tell how much more the cases would have gone up without them being mandatory.

[Don Dan]

Masks work alright but it’s down to some of the people not wearing them properly, taking them off when talking to people, yes really, it’s amazing how many do just that. The other big failing is mask hygiene, very few people actually know how to handle a mask when taking the off and putting them on. The classic is wearing it under your chin when in a situation that a mask is not needed. 
The government(s) mandated masks and face coverings but never offered any advice via an advertising campaign on how to use them etc. It doesn’t surprise me though none of the governments have been on the ball at any stage during this pandemic.

[Robbofan99]

20 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

So this will be us until at least April. Herd stupidity has replaced herd immunity as the way forward. 

" herd stupidity" ; brilliant and sums it up 

[manaliveits105]

34 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

It gives time for people to get ****ing angry at these ****wits at New St Andrews House continually punishing people be it hospitality or low infection rate places like Edinburgh City to placate the west.

 

So much for Nicola's two week circuit breaker.  That was a blatant lie like I said it would be.

 

Good luck expecting anyone to listen to this broken Scottish government again.

Amen to that

 

 

 

[Governor Tarkin]

3 hours ago, coconut doug said:

 

Science tells adifferent story https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-in-scotland-nicola-sturgeon-more-liked-in-england-than-boris-johnson-zqh0gvf20  Nearly everybody has grown to appreciate her. I'm sure if Jason the Dentist got similar exposure around the UK his ratings would be stratospheric too. It's no wonder they don't want to let us go.

 

I'm not convinced that qualifies as science, doug, and I'm not convinced that being less hated than Boris Johnson is an altogether reliable indicator of universal popularity either.

 

I'm warming to Jason the dentist, though.

 

 

[Taffin]

Just saw an NHS advert on TV encouraging people to contact their healthcare provider to get a flu jab.

 

Two things:

 

- I thought it was nigh on impossible to get on now?

 

- they said 11,000 on average die from flu in a normal year but that this isn't a normal year. Are we getting a deadlier strain of flu as well this year?

 

 

[Robbofan99]

5 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

I'm not convinced that qualifies as science, doug, and I'm not convinced that being less hated than Boris Johnson is an altogether reliable indicator of universal popularity either.

 

I'm warming to Jason the dentist, though.

 

 

Sturgeon has presented herself far better than BJ but even a clown could do that. So its an unfair comparison really. She is all style over substance i feel.

[Robbofan99]

5 minutes ago, Taffin said:

Just saw an NHS advert on TV encouraging people to contact their healthcare provider to get a flu jab.

 

Two things:

 

- I thought it was nigh on impossible to get on now?

 

- they said 11,000 on average die from flu in a normal year but that this isn't a normal year. Are we getting a deadlier strain of flu as well this year?

 

 

No they are just gonna lump flu deaths in covid death stats

[Howdy Doody Jambo]

If it is alright for the SNP MP Ferrier to travel by train to London and back with Covid-19 I'm sure it will be just fine to have a few of the family over for Christmas pudding 

Edited October 26, 2020 by Ma Roon

[Victorian]

3 minutes ago, Ma Roon said:

If it is alright for the SNP MP Ferrier to travel by train to London and back with Covid-19 I'm sure it will be just fine to have a few of the family over for Christmas pudding 

 

Brilliant bit of reasoning if you ignore the fact that it wasn't alright for Ferrier to travel to London, etc.  

[redjambo]

20 minutes ago, Taffin said:

Just saw an NHS advert on TV encouraging people to contact their healthcare provider to get a flu jab.

 

Two things:

 

- I thought it was nigh on impossible to get on now?

 

- they said 11,000 on average die from flu in a normal year but that this isn't a normal year. Are we getting a deadlier strain of flu as well this year?

 

 

 

14 minutes ago, Robbofan99 said:

No they are just gonna lump flu deaths in covid death stats

 

What Robbofan99 meant to say was that Public Health England has decided to incorporate both flu and covid deaths in the same report (but still referring to them separately).

 

Here's the latest report (but note that it is specifically for England): https://www.gov.uk/government/news/weekly-national-flu-and-covid-19-surveillance-reports-published

 

I don't know when Scotland are going to start producing our flu reports (the flu page is at https://www.hps.scot.nhs.uk/a-to-z-of-topics/influenza/) but I can almost guarantee you that we won't be reporting deaths as "either covid or flu" (i.e. lumping them in together).

 

Edited October 26, 2020 by redjambo

[3fingersreid]

9 minutes ago, Ma Roon said:

If it is alright for the SNP MP Ferrier to travel by train to London and back with Covid-19 I'm sure it will be just fine to have a few of the family over for Christmas pudding 

Actually has she still not resigned or been sacked yet ??

[Taffin]

4 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

 

What Robbofan99 meant to say was that Public Health England has decided to incorporate both flu and covid deaths in the same report (but still referring to them separately).

 

Here's the latest report (but note that it is specifically for England): https://www.gov.uk/government/news/weekly-national-flu-and-covid-19-surveillance-reports-published

 

I don't know when Scotland are going to start producing our flu reports (the flu page is at https://www.hps.scot.nhs.uk/a-to-z-of-topics/influenza/) but I can almost guarantee you that we won't be reporting deaths as "either covid or flu" (i.e. lumping them in together).

 

 

Cheers. So there is no reason to think there will be more flu deaths this year or is there?

 

I only half caught the advert as I was eating my tea at the same time 😂

[Weakened Offender]

7 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said:

Actually has she still not resigned or been sacked yet ??

 

Can she be sacked? 

[redjambo]

3 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said:

Actually has she still not resigned or been sacked yet ??

 

No change. She has been suspended by the SNP and Sturgeon has called on her to resign her seat, as has her constituency association.

 

An MP can't normally be forced to resign their seat. However, under the The Recall of MPs Act 2015, if at least one in ten voters in an MP's constituency sign a petition, they can recall their Member of Parliament (MP) if that MP has been found guilty of a wrongdoing that fulfils certain criteria, and a by-election is then called.

 

The criteria are:

 

. A custodial prison sentence of a year or less (longer sentences automatically disqualify MPs without need for a petition due to the Representation of the People Act 1981);

 

. Suspension from the House of at least 10 sitting days or 14 calendar days, following a report by the Committee on Standards;

 

. A conviction for providing false or misleading expenses claims.

 

As far as I am aware, Margaret Ferrier hasn't met these criteria.

 

More info on The Recall of MPs Act 2015: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recall_of_MPs_Act_2015

 

 

[DETTY29]

24 minutes ago, Ma Roon said:

If it is alright for the SNP MP Ferrier to travel by train to London and back with Covid-19 I'm sure it will be just fine to have a few of the family over for Christmas pudding 

But it wasn't.

 

That was only in her own selfish mind.

Edited October 26, 2020 by DETTY29

[redjambo]

6 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Cheers. So there is no reason to think there will be more flu deaths this year or is there?

 

I only half caught the advert as I was eating my tea at the same time 😂

 

I know, I didn't answer your question at all, really.

 

I actually suspect that there will be less because (i) older folk are socially distancing and more aware of FACTS etc than in previous years, (ii) folk will be dying from Covid who would have otherwise died of flu; (iii) the flu jab uptake this year is projected to be greater than in previous years.

[DETTY29]

9 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Cheers. So there is no reason to think there will be more flu deaths this year or is there?

 

I only half caught the advert as I was eating my tea at the same time 😂

Countries across the world, outside of the radge cases are expecting less (maybe hoping) with social distancing and improved hygiene.

[3fingersreid]

7 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

Can she be sacked? 

I genuinely don’t know , but it’s probably explained in this post below 

 

5 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

No change. She has been suspended by the SNP and Sturgeon has called on her to resign her seat, as has her constituency association.

 

An MP can't normally be forced to resign their seat. However, under the The Recall of MPs Act 2015, if at least one in ten voters in an MP's constituency sign a petition, they can recall their Member of Parliament (MP) if that MP has been found guilty of a wrongdoing that fulfils certain criteria, and a by-election is then called.

 

The criteria are:

 

. A custodial prison sentence of a year or less (longer sentences automatically disqualify MPs without need for a petition due to the Representation of the People Act 1981);

 

. Suspension from the House of at least 10 sitting days or 14 calendar days, following a report by the Committee on Standards;

 

. A conviction for providing false or misleading expenses claims.

 

As far as I am aware, Margaret Ferrier hasn't met these criteria.

 

More info on The Recall of MPs Act 2015: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recall_of_MPs_Act_2015

 

 

She has no shame imo ( and won’t be the only one) 

 

given the leaked news regarding next week looks like it’ll be another week not working and earning for me whilst this woman will still be well rewarded , don’t do as I do , do as I say 😡

[Brighton Jambo]

41 minutes ago, Robbofan99 said:

Sturgeon has presented herself far better than BJ but even a clown could do that. So its an unfair comparison really. She is all style over substance i feel.

.

Edited October 26, 2020 by Brighton Jambo

[DETTY29]

21 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Brilliant bit of reasoning if you ignore the fact that it wasn't alright for Ferrier to travel to London, etc.  

And this is another reason I find today depressing.

 

SG potentially humming and hawing where to put CEC and EL (admittedly no doubt trying to find reasons to put us in T3) and we get elements of  'I'll be doing more socialising even than normal'

[jack D and coke]

1 hour ago, frankblack said:

 

It gives time for people to get ****ing angry at these ****wits at New St Andrews House continually punishing people be it hospitality or low infection rate places like Edinburgh City to placate the west.

 

So much for Nicola's two week circuit breaker.  That was a blatant lie like I said it would be.

 

Good luck expecting anyone to listen to this broken Scottish government again.

A few weeks ago you were wanting the police to get steamed into people?! Make up your mind man. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

4 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said:

I genuinely don’t know , but it’s probably explained in this post below 

 

She has no shame imo ( and won’t be the only one) 

 

given the leaked news regarding next week looks like it’ll be another week not working and earning for me whilst this woman will still be well rewarded , don’t do as I do , do as I say 😡

An absolute disgrace. 

[Weakened Offender]

2 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

A few weeks ago you were wanting the police to get steamed into people?! Make up your mind man. 

 

He's all over the place. Totally lost it. 

[jack D and coke]

7 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

He's all over the place. Totally lost it. 

I’m hardly in a position to dig anyone out on this subject here but that’s some turnaround from Franky boy haha

Edited October 26, 2020 by jack D and coke

[Governor Tarkin]

4 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

Countries across the world, outside of the radge cases are expecting less (maybe hoping) with social distancing and improved hygiene.

 

I've still managed about three colds in the past two months despite FACTS, etc.

Balls.

 

On another note, I spoke to one of my work colleagues today and it turns out he managed to catch himself a dose of Covid-19 whilst doing a spot of moonlighting during furlough. He was working on a boat at the time and 11 of them came down with it with wildly varying degrees of severity. 

One guy had the shits, another couple had no symptoms, some were floored, and his were only mild. Unfortunately he now has a swollen heart which isn't working properly. Myocarditis or something. The prognosis is still alright though and he is expected to make a recovery but it may be weeks or months. The laddie is mid twenties and a fit as **** cyclist. He recommended me to try and not catch it if at all possible, as it's decidedly unpleasant. Fingers crossed he's on the mend sooner rather than later.

[Governor Tarkin]

12 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

He's all over the place. Totally lost it. 

 

It's the only way to be.

[Taffin]

22 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I know, I didn't answer your question at all, really.

 

I actually suspect that there will be less because (i) older folk are socially distancing and more aware of FACTS etc than in previous years, (ii) folk will be dying from Covid who would have otherwise died of flu; (iii) the flu jab uptake this year is projected to be greater than in previous years.

 

Hopefully 🤞🤞

 

I've been hoping it came on again so I could see if I picked it up correctly but I haven't seen it again. Typical!

[redjambo]

10 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Absolutely low, red. There's no end in sight to this nonsense, and the fact that a lot of folk are welcoming being placed under restrictions worries me more than the restrictions (which on a personal/family/neighbour level we largely ignore) themselves.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54616688

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8856959/Lockdowns-lethal-toll-NHS-vulnerable-patients-laid-bare.html

 

I could trawl the internet for more stories about how measures and restrictions are seriously damaging - much more so than Covid - the health and ultimately the lives of millions of people. But what's the point? A seeming majority of folk are happy to take their daily dose of the horror and then cower away, waiting for this magical vaccine, ignoring the fact that the real second wave has nothing to do with infection rates. The second wave will be when the job losses, suicides and loss of liberties start to really hit home for all the pan-bangers and mask-fetishists.

 

So instead of worrying about that, here are Katy Perry's chebs.

 

And an SNL sketch to boot. Perfect.

 

I suppose that some of us don't mind restrictions as long as we feel that it is preventing the virus taking off and causing real carnage. That's our choice. I can guarantee that with a history of animal rights, human rights and environmental activism, I'm not turning into a government lackey just because I'm taking this approach, and I imagine that many people are similar. We're not signing away our freedoms or cowering away. We're just trying to do our bit in keeping this virus in check.

 

It's entirely off-topic, but here's another SNL Katy Perry sketch that's one of my favourites:

 

 

[frankblack]

16 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

A few weeks ago you were wanting the police to get steamed into people?! Make up your mind man. 

 

I wanted the government to actually enforce rules on mask wearing and social distancing to avoid the rest of us getting penalised.  They would rather penalise those that have complied since March and that is why we have this shitshow.

 

All of this was entirely predictable but politically unappealing.  The people have had enough of their lies and misdirection.

[frankblack]

18 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

He's all over the place. Totally lost it. 

 

See my previous reply.

 

You are partially right.  The SG are all over the place.  Banning families at Christmas, their "two week circuit breaker", allowing students to go to University Halls of Residence, Care Homes, their 5 tier lockdown strategy because England has 3, ....

 

Even you must realise that is a complete shitshow.

[redjambo]

1 minute ago, frankblack said:

 

See my previous reply.

 

You are partially right.  The SG are all over the place.  Banning families at Christmas, their "two week circuit breaker", allowing students to go to University Halls of Residence, Care Homes, their 5 tier lockdown strategy because England has 3, ....

 

Even you must realise that is a complete shitshow.

 

On one particular point, I don't think having a 5 tier strategy is necessarily a bad thing at all. In theory it allows a finer-grained approach to Covid infection hotspots, certainly more than a 3-tier strategy will give you. It just depends on how it is applied.

[DETTY29]

18 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

I've still managed about three colds in the past two months despite FACTS, etc.

Balls.

 

On another note, I spoke to one of my work colleagues today and it turns out he managed to catch himself a dose of Covid-19 whilst doing a spot of moonlighting during furlough. He was working on a boat at the time and 11 of them came down with it with wildly varying degrees of severity. 

One guy had the shits, another couple had no symptoms, some were floored, and his were only mild. Unfortunately he now has a swollen heart which isn't working properly. Myocarditis or something. The prognosis is still alright though and he is expected to make a recovery but it may be weeks or months. The laddie is mid twenties and a fit as **** cyclist. He recommended me to try and not catch it if at all possible, as it's decidedly unpleasant. Fingers crossed he's on the mend sooner rather than later.

I was always getting colds and haven't been in an office for ages and can't think of the last time I had one.

 

But outside of the few weeks when lockdown lifted I've barely seen anyone apart from my wife and a few pals back gardens.

 

Work place environment or not being in one will possibly help or hinder.

Edited October 26, 2020 by DETTY29

[Don Dan]

24 minutes ago, jonesy said:

 

And there is the problem 

[Taffin]

3 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

On one particular point, I don't think having a 5 tier strategy is necessarily a bad thing at all. In theory it allows a finer-grained approach to Covid infection hotspots, certainly more than a 3-tier strategy will give you. It just depends on how it is applied.

 

Totally agree with that. It helps prevent the inconsistency that happens in england where local variances apply across the tiers. Tier 3 plus x,y and z could have just been tier 4 and consistent across the country.

[FWJ]

1 hour ago, Victorian said:

 

It will probably be the measures with us until at least as long as people continue to resist what's asked of them.  The measures would be shorter lived if more people set aside their grievances to concentrate on the over-arching objective.

 

Herd stupidity? Not half.

Well done for trying to inject some mature sense into this thread.

I fear it will be in vain.

[Back to 2005]

2 hours ago, Victorian said:

 

It will probably be the measures with us until at least as long as people continue to resist what's asked of them.  The measures would be shorter lived if more people set aside their grievances to concentrate on the over-arching objective.

 

Herd stupidity? Not half.

What is stupid is believing if we suppress a virus it will make any difference.  It ain't going away so let's accept that and get back to  normal seeing as we have not had any excess deaths since April. 

We then might get out collective sanity back.  

[frankblack]

27 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

On one particular point, I don't think having a 5 tier strategy is necessarily a bad thing at all. In theory it allows a finer-grained approach to Covid infection hotspots, certainly more than a 3-tier strategy will give you. It just depends on how it is applied.

 

It seems clear as per closing of hospitality and leaking that keeping Edinburgh in tier 3 that the SG has no intention of giving transparency and will make decisions based on political considerations first.

 

It doesn't matter how many tiers you have if you won't justify the calls using the data.

[Enzo Chiefo]

A breath of fresh air on ITV News at 10. Leading with the US election all week and it was 24 mins in before Coronavirus was mentioned.  The BBC meanwhile were making their daily visit to an ICU ward which, they seem to believe, didn't exist before Feb/March this year.

[Victorian]

21 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

What is stupid is believing if we suppress a virus it will make any difference.  It ain't going away so let's accept that and get back to  normal seeing as we have not had any excess deaths since April. 

We then might get out collective sanity back.  

 

All suppression makes a difference.  Especially when it's done towards a specific target (scientific intervention like a vaccine). It's really daft to dismiss suppression as making no difference.  

 

Hospitals are seeing lots of covid and the community prevalence of coronavirus is no more than 1%.  Anywhere.  Under suppression measures.  Take away suppression and what happens to prevalence?  What happens to hospitals and the reasonably successful treatment of covid?

 

People are coming out of hospital not wearing wooden overcoats because the hospitals can treat them.  Suppression of virus is the one thing that enables that to continue.

 

You're hopelessly wrong.

[redjambo]

21 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

It doesn't matter how many tiers you have if you won't justify the calls using the data.

 

Yup. At the very least, instead of merely saying that "The data currently indicate that [there is a] level of concern for two areas: Level 4 is being considered for North and South Lanarkshire. There are, however, some signs in the latest data that the situation in those areas may be stabilising.", we're told exactly the data values that are informing those comments.