JudyJudyJudy Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said: That Drakeford is a deranged lunatic. Folk like him and Sturgeon have got this platform and power that they have never had before. The sooner this is over and they are back in their boxes, the better Got a strong feeling after this is over the devolved health powers will be reinstated back to the U.K. . It’ll be Bo Jo revenge for being made a complete fool by Nicola . Not that I agree with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I cannot see how Tier 0 will work without travel bans. If you have folk in Tier 3 for example who currently are only advised to not travel unless trip is essential what is stopping people in that tier ignoring that advice and travelling to the so called safest areas for a short break or holiday? This still looks flimsy to me. If you just leave it as advisory then surely folk in Tier 0 will be thinking although we are safe now folk can easily bring the virus with them and if so we go back up at least a Tier. I wonder if this is the flexibility NS was referring to in her daily update today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, graygo said: What's the thinking behind this? Is it that in theory your time spent in store is shortened? Pretty sure I heard the Welsh Health Minister mention this morning that it was because they were shutting other retail stores (Curry's for example) and it would be wrong to have (Tesco) being able to sell electrical goods. Burley pressed him on who decided what was essential and what wasn't, she said that a hair dryer is essential for her, but she can't buy one in a supermarket in Wales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Pretty sure I heard the Welsh Health Minister mention this morning that it was because they were shutting other retail stores (Curry's for example) and it would be wrong to have (Tesco) being able to sell electrical goods. Burley pressed him on who decided what was essential and what wasn't, she said that a hair dryer is essential for her, but she can't buy one in a supermarket in Wales. What she wouldn't be able to get a hairdryer anywhere in Wales? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, AlphonseCapone said: Beat it, grass.... You should see the figure for your street alone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 42 minutes ago, JWL said: Well it's my turn. We do limit it to 6 or 7 mind, can't go too mental. Mates got a big house though, so it's looking like double figures for next Saturday. You enjoy yourself not bowing to the restrictions and doing what you want. I'd have loved to have been at that match though. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: What she wouldn't be able to get a hairdryer anywhere in Wales? I think the point she was making was that if her/someone's hair dryer broke, she couldn't just pop along to a supermarket to get another one there and then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, graygo said: I was basing my thinking on the 6,615 heart disease deaths and it being the biggest cause of deaths in Scotland and comparing it with the 2,688 Covid deaths and assumed it would be higher. I stand (sit) corrected. 👍 Comparing having a heart attack against catching Covid, perhaps I may be correct, but you may be correct as to dying from either. I'm not sure. Of course having heart disease and having a heart attack are different things. Also, I'm not confident that heart disease and Covid can be compared since the latter is infectious (and hence can run amok without intervention) and the former isn't. Etc, etc. I just thought I'd throw some more data into the equation. I'm definitely not going to sit or even stand on my high horse on this one. Edited October 23, 2020 by redjambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 34 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: The big issue is will she dare to have Edinburgh and Glasgow in different levels ? There is clear water between the two regions, and there has been for a while now. If she's going to do it right then she should indeed dare to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: I think the point she was making was that if her/someone's hair dryer broke, she couldn't just pop along to a supermarket to get another one there and then. She could just order one online and have it the next day. Hence why the measures don't remotely protect businesses asked to close. That said, if she's classing a hair dryer as essential then it wouldn't surprise me if she lacks the thinking power to come up with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said: Now let me be absolutely clear about this. If the Weegies and Lanarkshire don't get their shit together soon then this will be coming to a supermarket near you too. Indeed somepeople should be more concerned about the rising infection rates on their own patch, rather than try and lecture the good people of kickback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 9 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said: redjambo for FM imo. I most definitely would not be up for that, Governor. I don't think I would be able to sleep at night worrying about all the nicknames that people would inevitably make up for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOak88 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 4 hours ago, AlphonseCapone said: The new tier system looks shit tbh. If I'm reading it correctly there will be no five a sides until level 0, which isn't actually back to normal as I think you'd reasonably assume, it still involves a maximum of 8 in your house. Level 1, 6 indoors even has a footnote saying that no indoor socialising might be required under this level in some circumstances. I can't see what the criteria for when you go into a different level either. Between the Christmas chat yesterday and level 0 still being restrictions on normal life, I'm utterly scunnered. Why not have a level that is no restrictions, even if it takes a vaccine to get there, at least give folk some hope to aim for. P. S. I wish all the folk turning this into an SNP/Independence thing would **** off to another thread. Absolute roasters arguing about whether the SNP supported the nazis in a covid thread. I think the issue is the vaccine is just one way to combat CV. Quite possible that the CV vaccine when it arrives, will only have a low level of effectiveness, in the same way that the Flu vaccine only has a low level of effectiveness, hence 10K+ UK deaths every winter from it. If the CV vaccine only has a fairly limited level of effectiveness it’s quite possible we will have to continue with social distancing and some level of restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Just now, redjambo said: I most definitely would not be up for that, Governor. I don't think I would be able to sleep at night worrying about all the nicknames that people would inevitably make up for me. Jed Rambo would be my choice. "Speaking earlier, First Minister Jed Rambo had the following to say..." Has a ring to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 minute ago, TheOak88 said: I think the issue is the vaccine is just one way to combat CV. Quite possible that the CV vaccine when it arrives, will only have a low level of effectiveness, in the same way that the Flu vaccine only has a low level of effectiveness, hence 10K+ UK deaths every winter from it. If the CV vaccine only has a fairly limited level of effectiveness it’s quite possible we will have to continue with social distancing and some level of restrictions. At the moment, we have no idea of how effective the vaccine will be at mass scale, so that's quite possibly scaremongering, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Taffin said: She could just order one online and have it the next day. Hence why the measures don't remotely protect businesses asked to close. That said, if she's classing a hair dryer as essential then it wouldn't surprise me if she lacks the thinking power to come up with that. I'm just mentioning what was said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Taffin said: Jed Rambo would be my choice. "Speaking earlier, First Minister Jed Rambo had the following to say..." Has a ring to it. Now you come to mention it, it does have quite a ring to it. Ok, ok, I'll do it, as long as the denizens of JKB promise to back my decisions to the hilt in return for forcing the SPFL and SFA into widescale reform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: I'm just mentioning what was said. Yeh sorry that's twice today I've made it sound like I'm suggesting a poster relaying info believes/agrees with what they've shared. Apologies, just passing my opinion on what you shared, not intended to be directed at yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 40 minutes ago, kila said: As for the care home delays in getting tested - surely if there is a positive case/death then give all the residents a treatment? Even if it a trial, like that inhaler containing a protein that got the immune system reacting more in the right way and if given early enough they may never develop bad symptoms. Or maybe they are doing trials of treatments in care homes, I've not tried to find out tbh. They're too busy getting residents families to agree to DNR notices rather than treat them. Even when the residents get sick, the priority is to make them comfortable before they die Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Great hopes rest on the vaccine, which is a global front-runner and has been shown to safely trigger an immune response in volunteers given it in early trials. But, unlike traditional vaccines which use a weakened virus, or small amounts of it, the innovative Oxford jab causes the body to make part of the virus itself. Now researchers led by the University of Bristol have found this daring technology works for the coronavirus, just as it has for similar viruses in the past. A study using cells in the laboratory found the vaccine effectively delivers the instructions for the Covid protein, which cells copy thousands of times to produce it in large amounts. This means a person's immune system is then primed to recognise the disease and fight it off without them falling ill. Dr David Matthews, from Bristol's School of Cellular and Molecular Medicine (CMM), who led the research, said: 'Until now, the technology hasn't been able to provide answers with such clarity, but we now know the vaccine is doing everything we expected and that is only good news in our fight against the illness.' While the world waits for the results of trials on whether the Oxford vaccine actually works, the new findings are the next step forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOak88 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 56 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said: And yet we are throwing away opportunities for at least 1 generation of young people for it. People die when they get old. We cannot change that. We have already doubled nature's intended life expectancy for humans through science. Doubled natures life expectancy! What age are we meant to die at! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Taffin said: Yeh sorry that's twice today I've made it sound like I'm suggesting a poster relaying info believes/agrees with what they've shared. Apologies, just passing my opinion on what you shared, not intended to be directed at yourself. No worries. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: No worries. 👍 Same for me, wasn't having a go at you. Just don't know where to start with the absurdity of it all really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOak88 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, redjambo said: At the moment, we have no idea of how effective the vaccine will be at mass scale, so that's quite possibly scaremongering, imo. I am not suggesting it will defo be the case. Flu Vaccine is probably broadly the closest vaccine we can use as a comparison in terms of a vaccine for fighting a respiratory virus. I do worry tho that some people think that a CV vaccine means 100% effectiveness and that life will automatically go back to normal once we have one. Absolutely no guarantees of that. Could well be the case that CV vaccine has say 40% effectiveness and of course that will make life easier than it is now but you would still be talking about a lot of people still getting ill/dying. And by extension likely restrictions in place to help mitigate that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, TheOak88 said: Doubled natures life expectancy! What age are we meant to die at! Ignoring the "nature's" part, which is I assume what you were having a dig at, actual life expectancy has indeed doubled since 1765 (source https://www.statista.com/statistics/1040159/life-expectancy-united-kingdom-all-time/). I personally don't feel though that this justifies the belief that we should just let the older folk in society die off because of our success in extending life expectancy from its historical levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 minute ago, TheOak88 said: I am not suggesting it will defo be the case. Flu Vaccine is probably broadly the closest vaccine we can use as a comparison in terms of a vaccine for fighting a respiratory virus. I do worry tho that some people think that a CV vaccine means 100% effectiveness and that life will automatically go back to normal once we have one. Absolutely no guarantees of that. Could well be the case that CV vaccine has say 40% effectiveness and of course that will make life easier than it is now but you would still be talking about a lot of people still getting ill/dying. And by extension likely restrictions in place to help mitigate that. I completely agree with the bit in bold. However, I personally am going to await the mass deployment of a vaccine(s) before making assumptions like the one in your final sentence about the possible effectiveness of such vaccines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, redjambo said: Ignoring the "nature's" part, which is I assume what you were having a dig at, actual life expectancy has indeed doubled since 1765 (source https://www.statista.com/statistics/1040159/life-expectancy-united-kingdom-all-time/). I personally don't feel though that this justifies the belief that we should just let the older folk in society die off because of our success in extending life expectancy from its historical levels. I think most of what you took the time to source there will be wasted on who you chose to quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOak88 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, redjambo said: Ignoring the "nature's" part, which is I assume what you were having a dig at, actual life expectancy has indeed doubled since 1765 (source https://www.statista.com/statistics/1040159/life-expectancy-united-kingdom-all-time/). I personally don't feel though that this justifies the belief that we should just let the older folk in society die off because of our success in extending life expectancy from its historical levels. I wasn’t trying to have a dig at the poster TBH. Just making the point that naturally humans are built to live past their 40s. Even without the wonders of medical science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 26 minutes ago, redjambo said: Now you come to mention it, it does have quite a ring to it. Ok, ok, I'll do it, as long as the denizens of JKB promise to back my decisions to the hilt in return for forcing the SPFL and SFA into widescale reform. Jobs for the boys once you're in the hotseat, red. When you're putting together your SA type militia I'll be more than happy to head it up. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, TheOak88 said: I wasn’t trying to have a dig at the poster TBH. Just making the point that naturally humans are built to live past their 40s. Even without the wonders of medical science. Ah, I misinterpreted your comment then, sorry about that. I thought you were saying that there was no such thing as a "natural" life expectancy, given that such expectancy was based on a human's environment. No matter anyway, I only looked it up because of your comment and I was quite surprised to learn that life expectancy was so low in the 18th and 19th centuries. I assumed that "three score and ten" had been reality for a good while longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, doctor jambo said: Essential to Nicola is different to essential for me. Without being all “Prince Andrew” , no way am I spending a week without finishing off an 18 year old The 18 year old Bunnahabhain is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: Jobs for the boys once you're in the hotseat, red. When you're putting together your SA type militia I'll be more than happy to head it up. 👍 Not the right time to tell you I'm a pacifist left-winger, I guess. More than willing to fight for the right cause though. If it's any of compensation, if I were to be FM and wanted to start up a militia, your name would be the first to spring to mind to take care of it. Claverhouse would be a milksop in comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, weehammy said: The very high number of infant deaths In those centuries must have been a negative factor. Indeed, a very good point. Edit: It might be interesting therefore to see a graph which compared life expectancies for those who managed to get past a certain age in childhood. Edited October 23, 2020 by redjambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, redjambo said: Not the right time to tell you I'm a pacifist left-winger, I guess. Even pacifist left-wingers need stormtroops, red. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 39 minutes ago, TheOak88 said: Doubled natures life expectancy! What age are we meant to die at! Mammals have a life expectancy of around 1 billion heartbeats, humans having eradicated predators and diseases average around 2 billion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said: Mammals have a life expectancy of around 1 billion heartbeats, humans having eradicated predators and diseases average around 2 billion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Ron Burgundy said: Mammals have a life expectancy of around 1 billion heartbeats, humans having eradicated predators and diseases average around 2 billion. Does the reduced resting heart rate that fit people have offset the raised one during the exercise they do to get fit? I wonder where the sweet spot is. 63.4 years on 60bpm? Seems I need to lower the caffeine to make it to 70!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 48 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said: Great hopes rest on the vaccine, which is a global front-runner and has been shown to safely trigger an immune response in volunteers given it in early trials. But, unlike traditional vaccines which use a weakened virus, or small amounts of it, the innovative Oxford jab causes the body to make part of the virus itself. Now researchers led by the University of Bristol have found this daring technology works for the coronavirus, just as it has for similar viruses in the past. A study using cells in the laboratory found the vaccine effectively delivers the instructions for the Covid protein, which cells copy thousands of times to produce it in large amounts. This means a person's immune system is then primed to recognise the disease and fight it off without them falling ill. Dr David Matthews, from Bristol's School of Cellular and Molecular Medicine (CMM), who led the research, said: 'Until now, the technology hasn't been able to provide answers with such clarity, but we now know the vaccine is doing everything we expected and that is only good news in our fight against the illness.' While the world waits for the results of trials on whether the Oxford vaccine actually works, the new findings are the next step forward. Great news fingers crossed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 VAT waiver for PPE runs out next week, Treasury showing no signs of maintaining it. All PPE will therefor go up in price by 20%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 36 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said: Mammals have a life expectancy of around 1 billion heartbeats, humans having eradicated predators and diseases average around 2 billion. I have quite a fast heart rate. Damn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, redjambo said: You should see the figure for your street alone! Not surprised with the recent street parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 23 minutes ago, redjambo said: I have quite a fast heart rate. Damn. I don't..............but that's more down to the beta-blockers than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 29 minutes ago, redjambo said: I have quite a fast heart rate. Damn. It's an average so you would have been ok but for the inevitable Covid that's gonna kill us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: Same for me, wasn't having a go at you. Just don't know where to start with the absurdity of it all really. No worries again. I think the real point Burley was making was, who decides what's essential and what's not, what someone thinks is essential someone else doesn't. She used the hairdryer example I think because the Welsh minister she was interviewing had very short hair, whereas she has shoulder length hair, so has he decided that a hairdryer isn't essential because he doesn't need one, I think that was what she was getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 5 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Aye cause Mark and Nicola ur no ra Tories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Bath, where I live is close to full lockdown. On Tier2 at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 7 hours ago, coconut doug said: Are you telling us the budget is not finite? The money we spend is not the same as the expenditure attributed to us. We raise far more than we spend. A lot of money is spent on our behalf on things we do not want. Some Covid expenditure will be allocated by consequentials but much of the cost has gone to supporting the better paid and bigger businesses of London and the South East. "We raise far more than we spend" is probably the most ridiculous comment I have ever read on this board. You obviously don't understand the Barnett consequentials that sees tax raised in London used to support all the devolved nations and, indeed, other areas of England. And quite rightly so. £62bn raised v £75bn spent. There ends the economic argument. Before you play the "Bairns not Bombs" joker, £3.2bn of defence expenditure is spent on our behalf, of which £0.2bn can be attributed to Trident. Fair enough, argue for making all our own decisions etc etc but trying to argue an economic benefit is straying into flat earth territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Marvin said: Bath, where I live is close to full lockdown. On Tier2 at the moment. Tier2 in England is still nothing near the shitstorm in Scotland's lowest 'level' You can get a pint outside in the freezing cold if you're lucky up here Thank your lucky stars that you're in Bath. Even if you go into the strictest tier3. you'll still be able to go for a bar lunch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 hours ago, redjambo said: There is clear water between the two regions, and there has been for a while now. If she's going to do it right then she should indeed dare to do so. Yes Red thats exactly what I was thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 2 hours ago, redjambo said: Indeed, a very good point. Edit: It might be interesting therefore to see a graph which compared life expectancies for those who managed to get past a certain age in childhood. Yes in the early days of the big Lockdown Id take a walk through Dalry cemetery and the amount of children buried was sadly a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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